Started by George Erdner, January 25, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
Quote from: George Erdner on August 17, 2010, 09:08:23 PMI wonder how many congregations are waiting until after the Summer season, when congregational meetings are difficult to schedule, and after the NALC's official launch this weekend to get started.
Quote from: Larry Smith on August 17, 2010, 10:34:02 PMIt only takes a majority vote to join LCMC, NALC, or another church body. If the ELCA doesn't kick them out, it just shows that the ELCA is willing to break its own rules when it suits them.
Quote from: Dadoo on August 18, 2010, 09:12:26 AMQuote from: Larry Smith on August 17, 2010, 10:34:02 PMIt only takes a majority vote to join LCMC, NALC, or another church body. If the ELCA doesn't kick them out, it just shows that the ELCA is willing to break its own rules when it suits them.Larry,I am aware that many folks want to leave ELCA. I am wondering whether just joining another denomination is really a good and honest way of doing this. All of us know the constitution. Most of us have read the opinion by the secretary. One might not really like his interpretation but he happens to be right. To be honest, it actually makes sense that a congregation should make up its mind which denomination it is affiliated with. We all know that it takes a 2/3 vote to leave and that joining just joining NALC or LCMC without a vote to leave is a anti constitutional. It would seem to me that if one was to wish to leave for righteousness sake one would do so humbly and not give unnecessary offense.I also question the wisdom of it. If one cannot get a 2/3 majority then, pastorally, this is a solution - how? We want to maneuver the bishop whom the minority supports to come in and be the bad guy just show them? We want to maneuver the secretary into pressuring a bishop into enforcing the ruling? Is this a maneuver to make the bishop disclose whose side he is on? These are the tactics of the enemy. They were the tactics of the enemy when LCNA and ECP/EPL used them. THey remain so. I rejected the tactic of just calling uncertified pastors to make a point when it arose. I rejected the idea that bishops gave wink and nod to violations of V&E apparently without question from Secretary Almen. I rejected the vilification of Bishop Warren when he enforced the expectations we have of our pastors. These things were wrong then and they remain so now.These days I would insist require that those who deeply and passionately object to CWA 09 act 100% above board.
Quote from: Charles_Austin on August 18, 2010, 01:01:31 PMAnd there may be reasons why some congregations are not able to get a pastor. Pastors are getting smarter, I hope, about not putting themselves and families into physical and psychological, not to mention financial danger.
Quote from: Charles_Austin on August 18, 2010, 04:02:52 PMI was once asked to do an interim in such a place.I said to the bishop's assistant, "There? Do you know how they beat up on pastors in that congregation?""Yes, of course I know. But you're tough enough to take it."
Quote from: Larry Smith on August 18, 2010, 03:44:01 PMIf Northgate considers itself Lutheran, there is no evidence on their website: http://www.ngatechurch.org/