Started by racin_jason, November 17, 2008, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: G. Erdner, a Layman on November 18, 2008, 07:22:25 AM"Symbols", on the other hand, in 20th Century English refers to pictorial images that represent something else, such as a swoosh is a symbol for Nike, or Na is the symbol for sodium. I'll not argue that it didn't mean something very different almost five centuries ago. But that's what it means today.
Quote from: kennurse on November 18, 2008, 11:41:18 AMDo any of you know if surveys have been done to find out what LCMS and ELCA pastors are doing on a regular basis to evangelize unchurched people in their communities? and if they are not regularly evangelizing, what is the reason?
Quote from: Weedon on November 18, 2008, 10:51:24 AMAs to the others on Mogan David - YUCK. We DO use it. The people insist on it and talk about how much they like its flavor. When we tried to substitute, they were having no parts of it. Syrup indeed!
Quote from: Darrell Wacker on November 18, 2008, 09:03:08 PMQuote from: kennurse on November 18, 2008, 11:41:18 AMDo any of you know if surveys have been done to find out what LCMS and ELCA pastors are doing on a regular basis to evangelize unchurched people in their communities? and if they are not regularly evangelizing, what is the reason?When did it become the primary responsibility of pastors to evangelize unchurched people in the community? While I believe ALL Christians, pastors and lay, have a responsibility in this area, this question seems to imply that it is the pastor's responsibility. Is it not the pastor's primary responsibility to preach the Law and Gospel in truth and purity and administer the Sacraments? This is ministry to all people in the community, unchurched and churched. Each of us has a responsibility to witness to the Good News of Jesus in our every day life...at work, at home, in our neighborhoods. Faith comes from hearing the Word...from pastors and lay people.[/quoteOf course it is the responsibility of all Christians. But another responsibility of pastors is to "equip the saints" to do ministry, including evangelization. If the pastors aren't doing it, what kind of an example is that? The pastors are supposed to set the right example. If there is going to a renewed passion among the people for personal evangelization, it seems to me, it has to start with the pastors setting the example or motivated lay people setting the example.
Quote from: John_Hannah on November 18, 2008, 10:50:57 AMArthur Carl Piepkorn, of blessed memory, used to assert confidently that classic Lutherans actually had a preference for white wine. He associated it, of course, with Confessional reasoning. The Lutherans did not want to be thought to be celebrating only the "remembrance" with red wine reminding us of blood. After living in Germany I wondered if it might have only been due to the prepondrance of white wine there. Today Germans produce only a very tiny amount of red wine.Peace, JOHN HANNAH
Quote from: Michael_Rothaar on November 19, 2008, 02:49:31 PM[The tradition's a lot older than Piepkorn (or Lutherans). Gordon Lathrop maintains (someplace that I don't want to bother looking up) that the use of white wine is the oldest recorded preference -- most of the way back to apostolic times. It may indicate a revulsion against the identification of the accidence with the substance.The true reason, I believe, is because the early medieval church had stern altar guilds and sloppy priests.
Quote from: Kurt Weinelt on November 19, 2008, 03:10:52 PMI've encountered a few stern medieval altar guilds in this day and time....
Quote from: Charles_Austin on November 25, 2008, 10:46:47 AMI suppose everyone has different concerns and priorities; and that some questions are of casual interest, if not critical: but I just can't get very concerned over how the commandments are numbered or why Luther (or anyone else) chose a particular system.