Started by racin_jason, November 17, 2008, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Weedon on November 17, 2008, 09:11:31 PMBack in the day when I was at seminary (yes, I know it was not yesterday), the word "Symbol" was used quite freely. We even had a course in "comparative symbolics." I know that George agrees with my buddy Mark (he who needs to repent of that low church stuff... ) that we shouldn't use the language that the Symbols (alright, alright, the CONFESSIONS - how is that any clearer this day and age, by the way?) use, but always adjust to contemporary usage. But I've always tried to teach my people the language of the Symbols and show them that this is their heritage. They can talk about the Mass, about Absolution, and yes, about Symbols. It's probably a hopelessly losing case, but I'm still plugging away at it - NOT to cut anyone out, but to cut everyone IN to their own heritage as Lutheran Christians.
Quote from: Weedon on November 17, 2008, 10:59:01 PMSo if you have to teach what they are anyway, why not use the name THEY use for themselves?
Quote from: Weedon on November 18, 2008, 08:21:28 AMHarvey,LOL! George,But it's your heritage too, not an exclusive LCMS term by any stretch. The greatest American Lutheran theologian has probably been Charles Porterfield Krauth - he's YOUR man -and he uses the term repeatedly (right alongside Confessions) in his *The Conservative Reformation.* That's a book written in English a century or so ago. Not TOO antiquated by any means.
Quote from: Kurt Weinelt on November 18, 2008, 09:40:49 AMAnyhow, is there anything in the AC or BoC that dictates we have to use cheap red wine blessed by rabbis? Kurt
Quote from: Kurt Weinelt on November 18, 2008, 09:40:49 AMHow about another miscellaneous question of a deep theological nature. For all my Lutheran life (since I was baptized in 1958), nearly every Lutheran church I attended as a member or visitor (including LCMS) has used Mogen David red wine for the Sacrament.
Quote from: John_Hannah on November 18, 2008, 10:50:57 AMArthur Carl Piepkorn, of blessed memory, used to assert confidently that classic Lutherans actually had a preference for white wine. He associated it, of course, with Confessional reasoning. The Lutherans did not want to be thought to be celebrating only the "remembrance" with red wine reminding us of blood. After living in Germany I wondered if it might have only been due to the prepondrance of white wine there. Today Germans produce only a very tiny amount of red wine.Peace, JOHN HANNAH
Quote from: Weedon on November 18, 2008, 10:51:24 AMBut why not EDUCATE the people to their heritage? That seems to be where we part company, and I don't understand the reluctance to teach folks the richness that is our Lutheran heritage rather than settling for current experience and practice.