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anonymous

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #135 on: November 03, 2008, 05:52:34 PM »
First of all, to one who doesn't sign his own name, no one knows who you are or what you stand for.  

Secondly, don't gay Americans deserve equal protection under the law? Or do you think their civil rights should be abridged?

If you took time to read your own post, you would note gay marriage is not mentioned anywhere. He is OPPOSED to gay marriage.

Next!

Jeff Ruby  

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Actually, Pastor Zip knows who I am and he said he knows who you are too... Hey, lighten up. If I took the time to read my own posts. Sheesh. Listen, it says studiously avoids saying gay marriage but shows he supports it by the sum of his pledges.

Charles_Austin

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #136 on: November 03, 2008, 05:55:49 PM »
Then why not let us all in on the deal? Use your real name.

anonymous

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #137 on: November 03, 2008, 05:55:57 PM »
As to your second point, No, I do not think anyone's civil rights should abridged.

And Senator has to be in from of his name? I'm going to log out and start removing those signs in my neighbors' yards that say "Obama"--you are right, they are disrespectful.


anonymous

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #138 on: November 03, 2008, 05:56:57 PM »
Then why not let us all in on the deal? Use your real name.

The main perk to using a nom de plumme is it bothers you  :)

Charles_Austin

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #139 on: November 03, 2008, 06:00:37 PM »
Someone writes:
The main perk to using a nom de plumme is it bothers you

I comment:
A mean-spirited and cynical view typical of much of what has been taking place in these circles recently.
BTW it's nom de plume.

ptmccain

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #140 on: November 03, 2008, 06:14:03 PM »
Nom de plume use is nearly as offensive to the perpetually offended one, as are typos.

 ;D


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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #141 on: November 03, 2008, 06:29:59 PM »
So? Pastor Tibbets is my friend, he is a great man and a great pastor. He signs his name and is responsible for his posts, as do I. You don't.

As for the issue at hand with Senator Obama, it is perfectly consistent for many Americans and indeed many Christian Americans to say they are opposed to gay marriage, but understand that under civil law gays should be accorded civil rights, protection under hate crimes acts, and property and visitation rights.

If that makes me the far left liberal you and Glen  have consistently painted me out to be ,  simply because I seek to be compassionate to others and believe in civil rights,  than so be it. My wife, family, and friends are all amused that only on ALPB could I be seen as a  liberal.

Jeff Ruby

First of all, to one who doesn't sign his own name, no one knows who you are or what you stand for.  

Secondly, don't gay Americans deserve equal protection under the law? Or do you think their civil rights should be abridged?

If you took time to read your own post, you would note gay marriage is not mentioned anywhere. He is OPPOSED to gay marriage.

Next!

Jeff Ruby  

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Actually, Pastor Zip knows who I am and he said he knows who you are too... Hey, lighten up. If I took the time to read my own posts. Sheesh. Listen, it says studiously avoids saying gay marriage but shows he supports it by the sum of his pledges.


anonymous

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #142 on: November 03, 2008, 07:08:00 PM »
Nom de plume use is nearly as offensive to the perpetually offended one, as are typos.

 ;D



Reminds me of a great insight I heard on foxbusiness. SENATOR Obama has a great economic plan...for France.

anonymous

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #143 on: November 03, 2008, 07:10:07 PM »
So? Pastor Tibbets is my friend, he is a great man and a great pastor. He signs his name and is responsible for his posts, as do I. You don't.

As for the issue at hand with Senator Obama, it is perfectly consistent for many Americans and indeed many Christian Americans to say they are opposed to gay marriage, but understand that under civil law gays should be accorded civil rights, protection under hate crimes acts, and property and visitation rights.

If that makes me the far left liberal you and Glen  have consistently painted me out to be ,  simply because I seek to be compassionate to others and believe in civil rights,  than so be it. My wife, family, and friends are all amused that only on ALPB could I be seen as a  liberal.

Jeff Ruby

First of all, to one who doesn't sign his own name, no one knows who you are or what you stand for.  

Secondly, don't gay Americans deserve equal protection under the law? Or do you think their civil rights should be abridged?

If you took time to read your own post, you would note gay marriage is not mentioned anywhere. He is OPPOSED to gay marriage.

Next!

Jeff Ruby  

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Actually, Pastor Zip knows who I am and he said he knows who you are too... Hey, lighten up. If I took the time to read my own posts. Sheesh. Listen, it says studiously avoids saying gay marriage but shows he supports it by the sum of his pledges.


Jeff, to paraphrase your cnadidate, Ruby doesn't get it! No one is  painting you a liberal. We are razzing you for switching teams, that's all. Now, go and tell your wife and family...

swbohler

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #144 on: November 03, 2008, 07:13:58 PM »
I do not think anyone is being elected president of the US tomorrow; the Electoral College will be the ones who elect him.  And even then he won't be president until he is inaugurated; until then he is only the president-elect.

jrubyaz

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #145 on: November 03, 2008, 07:14:10 PM »
cnadidate? Is that a politician from Canada?  ;D

Jeff Ruby

So? Pastor Tibbets is my friend, he is a great man and a great pastor. He signs his name and is responsible for his posts, as do I. You don't.

As for the issue at hand with Senator Obama, it is perfectly consistent for many Americans and indeed many Christian Americans to say they are opposed to gay marriage, but understand that under civil law gays should be accorded civil rights, protection under hate crimes acts, and property and visitation rights.

If that makes me the far left liberal you and Glen  have consistently painted me out to be ,  simply because I seek to be compassionate to others and believe in civil rights,  than so be it. My wife, family, and friends are all amused that only on ALPB could I be seen as a  liberal.

Jeff Ruby

First of all, to one who doesn't sign his own name, no one knows who you are or what you stand for.  

Secondly, don't gay Americans deserve equal protection under the law? Or do you think their civil rights should be abridged?

If you took time to read your own post, you would note gay marriage is not mentioned anywhere. He is OPPOSED to gay marriage.

Next!

Jeff Ruby  

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Actually, Pastor Zip knows who I am and he said he knows who you are too... Hey, lighten up. If I took the time to read my own posts. Sheesh. Listen, it says studiously avoids saying gay marriage but shows he supports it by the sum of his pledges.


Jeff, to paraphrase your cnadidate, Ruby doesn't get it! No one is  painting you a liberal. We are razzing you for switching teams, that's all. Now, go and tell your wife and family...

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #146 on: November 03, 2008, 07:17:44 PM »
Those of you who speak with such disdain about Senator Obama: if he is elected president of the United States, will you regularly pray for him in your liturgies? Will you speak of him with the respect that seems (at least to me) to be required by the 4th commandment? Just asking.
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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2008, 07:18:45 PM »
So? Pastor Tibbets is my friend, he is a great man and a great pastor. He signs his name and is responsible for his posts, as do I. You don't.

As for the issue at hand with Senator Obama, it is perfectly consistent for many Americans and indeed many Christian Americans to say they are opposed to gay marriage, but understand that under civil law gays should be accorded civil rights, protection under hate crimes acts, and property and visitation rights.

If that makes me the far left liberal you and Glen  have consistently painted me out to be ,  simply because I seek to be compassionate to others and believe in civil rights,  than so be it. My wife, family, and friends are all amused that only on ALPB could I be seen as a  liberal.


The political views you've espoused of late have painted you more than I could have ever done, Jeff. Besides, I've been more focused on the leftist proclivities of Candidate Obama. You, unfortunately, merely seemed to have fallen prey to the talking points & rhetoric coming from Candidate Obama's camp. If you are seen as a "liberal" here, I'd wager it's because you've been talking like one in the context of this current campaign, something that's brought into even sharper, more ironic relief by your repeated protestations of having been "a lifelong Republican" until so very recently. Maybe you aren't a liberal, but you certainly have hitched your wagon to an über-liberal in this election...

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #148 on: November 03, 2008, 07:25:17 PM »
As for the issue at hand with Senator Obama, it is perfectly consistent for many Americans and indeed many Christian Americans to say they are opposed to gay marriage, but understand that under civil law gays should be accorded civil rights, protection under hate crimes acts, and property and visitation rights.

Definitions of marriage are issues covered in the Bill of Rights under the 9th and 10th amendments. If Obama plans any action pro or con on the issue of gay marriage, then he doesn't understand our Federal system or respect the issue of states rights.

But then, there are so many reasons to choose anyone but the Socialist candidate that condemning Obama for his position on one rather petty issue (in the Federal, Presidential scheme of things) is rather pointless. Compared to his bad tax ideas, his redistribution of wealth ideas, and his total lack of experience, his position on gay marriage is irrelevant and insignificant.

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Re: Politics as cult
« Reply #149 on: November 03, 2008, 07:28:08 PM »
Those of you who speak with such disdain about Senator Obama: if he is elected president of the United States, will you regularly pray for him in your liturgies? Will you speak of him with the respect that seems (at least to me) to be required by the 4th commandment? Just asking.


As disappointed as I will be if Senator Obama is elected to be the nest president I will not be like those who have threatened to leave the country (and are still here) over past elections and I also will not have goofy slogans like "Barack Obama: NOT My President!"  Just because I did not vote for him does not mean he is not my president.  I will pray for a President Obama the way I have prayed for President Bush, no doubt.

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