Politics as cult

[anonymous]

Pastor Zip is friends with both Valentin Ernst Löscher and jrubyaz, and observes that each is posting in a tone that has pervaded U. S. Presidential since at least the 1800 Jefferson vs. Adams campaign. 

Alas, I'm thinking "Sally Hemmings" and "His Rotundity," etc., not the correspondence during their friendship (which was, uh, on hold during their respective presidencies).

Looking forward to the end of this election, and anticipating the beginning of the 2012 campaign -- that's Wednesday afternoon.

spt+ 

It's all true. And in case anyone is wondering, I am Adams, down to being in New England and being supported by a fine, Christian wife. Wait, I'm taller than Adams. But not as tall as Jefferson. I bet Jeff is tall.

I just don't get the bit about being testy. I am merely trying to get to the bottom of things. And I use humor. Sorry not everyone gets mine. I thought the Chris Matthews reference was funny. No, Jeff deosn't get all goey like him but otherwise I stick to the Dem talking points characterization. I mean, I am wasting enough time on this so I really don't want to make a list but if someone who, say, was a journalist, or retired and with a lot of time on their hands, and was truly disinterested (ha!) could go through the posts and see who is using talking points and who is isn't.

I'm saying this is general, not aimed at anyone, "Say what you want but make sure it is responsible, respectful and they are your own thoughts." If not be sure to use a funny face. And, of course, if someone has accused you of something stupid, by all means throw all rules out and stick it to them good. 

[jrubyaz]

Now THAT was funny. LOL 

Maybe because Senator Obama is also against gay marriage, but supports  liberties for all Americans? I do not support gay marriage. I do believe that gay people have civil rights as all American people should. And marriage is different from civil rights for all people.

And I wish those who were as passionate about issues such as gay rights and abortion were just as passionate about issues concerning poverty, war and peace, and health care. No, I am not for universal health care either.

Many people are concerned with all these issues. Some are one issue voters. I have never been a one issue voter. And maybe being President also has to do with intelligence, being well read, and perceptive about issues in addition to the  issues one espouses. Hope that helps.

Jeff Ruby       

No, not better. Why don't you think a tad before hitting the send key. You must be hanging on the computer salivating to respond as your posts are seconds after mine. Might be time to get some fresh air.

The facts about Annenberg are for all to see. I can't help it if you didn't do your homework . And I don't watch MSNBC either. 

Jeff Ruby

Valentin,

I don't appreciate that comment, and would ask for an apology but know I  won't get it. Google Walter Annenberg. Facts are facts. He was a lifelong GOP member, was involved in both the Nixon and Reagan administrations.

You many not like that , but facts are facts. And BTW, I have never visited the moveon.org site and am a registered independent. Cut out the nastiness.

Jeff Ruby 

Did you know that some former Republicans switch is so complete that they repeat every Dem talking point so that they sound like moveon.org? 

It is not nastiness. I am simply saying you hit on all the Dem talking points. If you want an apology I'll take back moveon.org and say you sound like Chris Matthews. Better?

I just want some logic. Salivating? Please. I want you to explain where you are coming from. I am trying to understand how someone who was a vocal opponent of the gay agenda is now puching for th ecnadidate who is going to oversee the normalization of the gay agenda.

So tell where get the Dem talking points?

    Where have you gone, Pastor Austin
    This Forum turns its lonely eyes to you
    Woo hoo hoo

    God Bless me please, Richard Johnson
    Paul McCain has left and gone away
    Hey hey hey
    Hey hey hey



   

   

[Lutheran_Lay_Leader]

Maybe because Senator Obama is also against gay marriage, but supports  liberties for all Americans?

How do you know that? Was evidence found in his Senate voting record? Oh wait, I forgot, he wasn't in the Senate long enough to have a voting record.

[ghp]

Maybe because Senator Obama is also against gay marriage, but supports  liberties for all Americans?

How do you know that? Was evidence found in his Senate voting record? Oh wait, I forgot, he wasn't in the Senate long enough to have a voting record.

Present!

[jrubyaz]

Yes, George, here is the evidence. You might want to have your facts straight (pun intended) before you post.

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060605-floor_statement_5/ 

Maybe because Senator Obama is also against gay marriage, but supports  liberties for all Americans?

How do you know that? Was evidence found in his Senate voting record? Oh wait, I forgot, he wasn't in the Senate long enough to have a voting record.

[jrubyaz]

See my post to George. Ditto , Glen.


http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060605-floor_statement_5/

Jeff Ruby

Maybe because Senator Obama is also against gay marriage, but supports  liberties for all Americans?

How do you know that? Was evidence found in his Senate voting record? Oh wait, I forgot, he wasn't in the Senate long enough to have a voting record.

Present!

[anonymous]

Obama Pledges 'Total Equality' for Same-Sex Marriages
By Black Christian News on August 8, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who has studiously avoided coming out in full support of same-sex marriage, may have finally tipped his hand on how he really feels. In recent letters written to homosexual activist groups, the presumed Democratic nominee said he supports homosexual couples adopting babies. Further, he said, he wants to repeal the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage as being between one man and one woman - and forbids states from being forced to accept any other definition of marriage under the U.S. Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause.

In an Aug. 1 letter to a Boston-based homosexual rights group, the Family Equality Council, Obama specifically pledged to use the presidency to overturn DOMA - and pledged his support for homosexual "families" and efforts to totally redefine marriage.

He wrote: "... (W)e also have to do more to support and strengthen LGBT (Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgendered) families. Because equality in relationship, family, and adoption rights is not some abstract principle; it's about whether millions of LGBT Americans can finally live lives marked by dignity and freedom.

"That's why we have to repeal laws like the Defense of Marriage Act. That's why we have to eliminate discrimination against LGBT families. And that's why we have to extend equal treatment in our family and adoption laws," Obama wrote.

"I'll be a president that stands up for American families - all of them," he added.

http://www.blackchristiannews.com/news/2008/08/obama-pledges-total-equality-for-samesex.html

[anonymous]

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

[ghp]

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Present!

[Lutheran_Lay_Leader]

Yes, George, here is the evidence. You might want to have your facts straight (pun intended) before you post.

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060605-floor_statement_5/ 

Sorry, that's evidence of him making a speech on the Senate floor. I'm talking about actually voting (or better yet sponsoring) a piece of legislation. Talk is cheap. But that's about the only thing Obama has done so far.

[jrubyaz]

That's Mr. President after tomorrow. 

Jeff Ruby 

Yes, George, here is the evidence. You might want to have your facts straight (pun intended) before you post.

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060605-floor_statement_5/ 

Sorry, that's evidence of him making a speech on the Senate floor. I'm talking about actually voting (or better yet sponsoring) a piece of legislation. Talk is cheap. But that's about the only thing Obama has done so far.

[anonymous]

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08110309.html

[anonymous]

That's Mr. President after tomorrow. 

Jeff Ruby 

What is the point of saying that Jeff?

[jrubyaz]

First of all, to one who doesn't sign his own name, no one knows who you are or what you stand for.  

Secondly, don't gay Americans deserve equal protection under the law? Or do you think their civil rights should be abridged?

If you took time to read your own post, you would note gay marriage is not mentioned anywhere. He is OPPOSED to gay marriage.

Next!

Jeff Ruby  

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

[jrubyaz]

Because he was called Obama, not even given the appropriate title of Senator.

Jeff Ruby

That's Mr. President after tomorrow. 

Jeff Ruby 

What is the point of saying that Jeff?