Started by 1Ptr5v67, July 21, 2008, 08:38:08 AM
Quote from: Charles_Austin on July 29, 2008, 04:53:45 PMPastor Buechler writes (re my comment on the denominationalism of previous times):True, but it does say that it was certainly better for them and for the country when they actually stood on distinctives instead of brushed them aside for some feel good theology.I ask:Explain how it was "better".
Quote from: Charles_Austin on July 29, 2008, 04:52:16 PMMarshall Hahn writes (re my modest suggestions)'I came across this gem from Pastor Austin. .... I respond:And a moment of strange, unfamiliar warmth swept over me for just a nanosecond...Then Pastor Hahn writes (re my comments about an imperfect church body):Conceivably with such imperfections that it may lead one to conclude that the only faithful response is to separate from a particular congregation, synod, diocese, presbytery, class, or denomination. It is conceiving of such a possibility that is the subject of this thread. And it is helpful to keep these suggestions from Pastor Austin in mind while considering this possiblity.And I respond:Ah, chilled back to "reality," or at least one view of it. So now the "death of mainline Protestantism" is taken as a given, and the subject of this thread is how to leave it ere putrefacton sets in.Then - of course and alas!- my modest suggestions are no longer appropriate.
Quote from: Charles_Austin on July 31, 2008, 03:50:27 AMPersonally, I'm sure not willing to "let any sheep die."
Quote from: Charles_Austin on July 31, 2008, 08:28:03 AMPastor McCain injects, following my comment about not letting any of the "sheep" "die":Except for those in the womb?I respond:A dependable and predictable ham-handed response, offered with the usual lack of grace and fellowship, and totally unrelated to the comment that I made or to the reasoned and polite remarks from TravisW.
Quote from: swbohler on July 31, 2008, 10:31:27 AMHeretics and heterodox always say that they are being faithful to God.
Quote from: TravisW on July 31, 2008, 02:18:50 AMThis started changing in the 1960's. A different generation grew to adulthood. This was a generation that valued personal experience over potential theological truth and cultural mores. The buzz-phrase of the 70's, as far as I understand, commonly became about a personal relationship with God. Within a relatively short timeframe, it became popular for people to "go fishing rather than to go to church." "It's better to think about God while fishing than think about fishing when in church". Moreover, it became more common for people to just stop going to church altogether--that started to become an accepted cultural norm. "Church is just a building".
Quote from: Charles_Austin on July 31, 2008, 09:54:39 AMPastor Buechler writes...(in) the mainline churches (those who make up the membership of NCC) one sees that there has been a major shift from biblical faithfulness especially with regards abortion, gay/lesbian sex, the estate of marriage, the naming of God, the worship of God, the uniqueness of Jesus Christ the incarnation of God, etc.I comment:No, there has not been a "major shift" from "biblical faithfulness," there has been a shift from what some of you declare to be faithfulness. But some of you do not have the last word for all of us.