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Your Turn / A Little Levity: Bad Vestment Blog
« on: November 22, 2009, 06:20:57 PM »
I offer this for your amusement:

You all might want to check out the clown mass posted on September 11 (currently the second page of the web site).  PB Hanson makes an appearance in August.

Enjoy.  Or cringe.  Or just laugh.  It's up to you.

Your Turn / 2001 Election of PB Mark Hanson
« on: September 30, 2009, 04:15:52 PM »
We can't change the past.  But it is sometimes interesting and helpful to understand how we got where we are.  On another thread, some of us were discussing PB Hanson's leadership style.  For some reason, that caused me to look back to the 2001 Churchwide Assembly, which elected PB Hanson to his first term.

On the first ballot for PB, Dr. Nestingen had the most votes (108) followed by Bp. Donald McCoid (101 votes), Bp. Peter Rogness (61 votes), Bp. Hanson (53 votes), Bp. April Larson (47 votes), and many others following behind. 

On the second ballot, Bp. McCoid shot into the lead (201 votes) followed by Dr. Nestingen (148 votes), Bp. Rogness (107 votes), Bp. Larson (98 votes).  Bp. Hanson fell to fifth place, with 87 votes with others trailing.

On the third ballot, Bp. McCoid continued to lead (247 votes) followed by Bp. Hanson, who had moved into second (211 votes), and Dr. Nestingen (174 votes) with others trailing.

At this point, only the three top candidates remained.  Due to a computer glitch, two "fourth ballot" votes were taken.  The order of finish was the same each time, with the number of votes varying slightly.  In each case, Bp. Hanson led (453/448 votes), followed by Bp. McCoid (358/362 votes) and Dr. Nestingen (223/225 votes).

On the final ballot, involving just the top two candidates from the fourth ballot, Bp. Hanson was elected 533-499 over Bp. McCoid.

Upon being eliminated from consideration after the fourth ballot, Dr. Nestingen pled for unity, saying "fraction is terrible."

From these results, one can see that over a third of those who had supported Dr. Nestingen voted for Bp. Hanson on the final ballot over Bp. McCoid.  Can anyone explain this?  Is it because Bp. McCoid was viewed as too "catholic" or "bishop friendly"?  Is it because he did not have a good German or Scandinavian name?  As an observer from afar, I believe that it was clear even in 2001 that Bp. Hanson was more likely to be open to the LCNA agenda than Bp. McCoid.  But I'm not sure this is right.

We can't change the past.  And who knows how the ELCA might have been different under a PB McCoid.  But I do find a good bit of irony in the fact that Nestingen voters ultimately put Mark Hanson into office.

Your Turn / The Full Communion Relationship Between the ELCA and TEC
« on: February 11, 2009, 12:23:41 AM »
The following is a report by the American Anglican Council regarding The Episcopal Church:

The report concludes that TEC's leaders have committed a number of heresies.

Assuming that the report is factually accurate, what should the ELCA be doing or saying about its full communion relationship with TEC?

Your Turn / Simple Church
« on: January 08, 2009, 12:18:51 AM »
Is this really the future:  Take a look at the YouTube video in the upper left of the page.  What do you all think?

It all sounds a little scary to me.  But I'm not sure that these people are entirely wrong.  Many today seem to network less and less through established institutions; more and more through intertwined and loose networks. 

Your Turn / Ann Holmes Redding -- A Muslim and an Episcopal Priest
« on: June 17, 2007, 11:45:55 AM »
Here is an article from the Seattle Times regarding Ann Homes Redding, an Episcopal Priest who professes to be both a Christian and a Muslim:

If the Episcopal Church continues to permit a professing Muslim to serve as a Priest, should the ELCA take some action?  If so, what?

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