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Your Turn / Re: Proud to be an American
« on: November 24, 2020, 09:03:36 PM »
The Radio News just carried quote introducing cabinet appointees ... including the statement that we can be proud to be an American.

I for one already am already proud to be an American and pray that nothing changes that.

And I am one who never thought that America had ceased to be great.
Apparently you forgot the immortal words of Michelle Obama ... perhaps someone who is not having an outdoor Thanksgiving meal with family can provide those immortal words that currently escape me.

I am not Michelle Obama, so I don't see what her words have to do with my comment.
It’s doubtful that any one thought you were Michelle Obama .. but you know that!

As far as the rest ... well it is what it is!👀

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Your Turn / Re: Official antisemitism label
« on: November 24, 2020, 08:55:20 PM »
When tolerances means: "You cam believe whatever you want and I won't say anything about it, because that would be interfering," it makes my opinions worthless. Or rendered insignificant if I'm not willing to defend them.
I don’t believe that any one is expecting anyone not to express or espouse their sincerely held opinions.  The issue at hand is respectful disagreeing without being disagreeable.

When disagreeing results in describing those disagreeing with one party as ‘dunder-head’, stupid, dumb, a fool (the Bible speaks to this one), ‘sniffing dimwit dust’ and worse disagreeing becomes intolerance, personal assault/attack or simple name calling.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion ... but not to belie, betray, slander or defame those with whom they disagree with.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: November 24, 2020, 07:21:28 PM »
What I'm curious about--and I'm not sure any of you really know, but maybe--is who determines what vaccines get distributed to whom or where?

The Texas state health department has already published its priorities:
  • Healthcare personnel likely to be exposed to or treat people with COVID-19.
  • People at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19, including those with underlying medical conditions and people 65 years of age and older (Residents of long term care facilities are first on this list.)
  • Other vulnerable, frontline workers
You have misread my question. Which of the three (or is it four now?) vaccines get given to whom, or distributed to where? I'm not asking what people get it first, I'm asking what vaccine they get.
Probably the first one available in their area. I don't plan to be picky. I know that I don't quiz my dr about who manufactured the flue shot that I receive.
They have also indicated that the Vaccine requiring the very cold storage would probably be for ‘institutional’ use ... there words ... not mind.

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Your Turn / Re: Proud to be an American
« on: November 24, 2020, 07:14:38 PM »
The Radio News just carried quote introducing cabinet appointees ... including the statement that we can be proud to be an American.

I for one already am already proud to be an American and pray that nothing changes that.

And I am one who never thought that America had ceased to be great.
Apparently you forgot the immortal words of Michelle Obama ... perhaps someone who is not having an outdoor Thanksgiving meal with family can provide those immortal words that currently escape me.

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Your Turn / Proud to be an American
« on: November 24, 2020, 05:07:32 PM »
The Radio News just carried quote introducing cabinet appointees ... including the statement that we can be proud to be an American.

I for one already am already proud to be an American and pray that nothing changes that.

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Your Turn / Re: Official antisemitism label
« on: November 24, 2020, 04:56:14 PM »
Where is your tolerance for opinions other than your own?
A really pertinent question, indeed.
It's a misguided question. Tolerating opinions other than my own makes my own opinions worthless. We should disagree with opposing opinions. We need to tolerate, even love the people who hold those contrary opinions. When those opinions are based on lies and untruths, we are to "speak the truth in love" to them. The opinions are not as important as the person, whom Jesus died for; nor the facts and arguments used to reach that opinion.

I was in a discussion with a man who stated that I couldn't be correctly understanding his argument, because if I did, I would have to agree with him. He believed that his reasoning was so sound that if anyone followed it, they'd have to end up at the same place he did. I told him what I believed his argument was. He agreed that I understood it. I still didn't agree with his conclusion.

It behooves us to try and understand where opposing opinions come from - the reasons people have for holding those opinions; but that doesn't mean that we will agree with them. It also behooves us to refrain from turning opponents into enemies.
Perhaps if not tolerate ... then respect others opinions ... at least enough that the incessant name calling and personal attack language cease. On the now locked thread, efforts were made to associate criminal activity with supporters of one’s opponent. 

Healthy dialogue is good .. although after reading many of the legacy threads that are 10+ years old, it is apparent that few if any opinions and/or beliefs have changed in the last decade plus of forum life.

Apparently the majority of us are well entrenched in our beliefs👀😷.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: November 24, 2020, 03:59:34 PM »
We have already been informed about possible side effects. They are minimal. None of them appear to be life threatening. And certainly the laws that require those long, warning  tag lines on TV commercials for various drugs will apply. I always find it amusing that a pill which is supposed to help us sleep has a side effect of making us drowsy. And that a pill which is supposed to combat depression may make some people who take it feel suicidal.

I hope that your take on side effects proves to be true.  However, leading doctors referenced by CNBC (a go-to trustworthy source of yours) disagree:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/covid-vaccine-cdc-should-warn-people-the-side-effects-from-shots-wont-be-walk-in-the-park-.html

These people are starting to sound like anti-vaxxers.
Precisely the article linked to Here.

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Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 24, 2020, 03:46:21 PM »
As far as your hate for Qanon, it’s simply an example of your intolerance of opinions other than your own.
People are entitled to their own opinions. They are not entitled to their own facts. Opinions based on lies are not valid opinions.
With no trust left in the media, facts are few and far between .. but to incessantly verbally assault, slander, and personally attach those whom you  disagree with should be outside forum decorum.  You rarely if ever cross that line ...when efforts are made to associate criminal behavior solely with supporter of ones opponents, that's crossing the line.

Incessant branding of one's opponents as trolls/anonymous is simple name calling and personal attack with the clear intent of avoiding one’s opposition.

Your lies are others facts ... and visa versa.

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Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 24, 2020, 11:40:53 AM »
Can you possibly drop that ridiculous “best instruction“ phrase, Julio? It does not always apply. And here’s why.
There is no best construction to put on the unimaginable crap that comes from the Qanon people, One of them now a member of Congress, one of them until a couple of days ago an Attorney for the president.
There is no best construction to put on the verified lies, thousands of them, from the man who is still in the White House.
There is no best instruction to put on the lies from convicted criminals who support him, probably seeking a pardon.
There is no best construction to put on a clear violation of recent protocols concerning the transfer of presidential authority.
And you are foolishly wrong to say that I slander and belittle and personally attack anyone with whom I disagree. I do not do that.
Most of the people with whom I disagree really, in the grand scheme of things, don’t matter much.
The president of our United States does matter.
So when he lies, when he cheats, when he attempts to undermine democracy, when he acts like a tantrum-throwing five-year-old, you can be darn sure I am going to oppose that. Because it matters.
It’s been said that if one can’t say something good .. don’t say anything at all ... that is included in “best construction”.

Are there criminals that support your candidates and position?  You are unable to authoritatively answer that question so quit associating criminal activity only to your opponents.

As far as your hate for Qanon, it’s simply an example of your intolerance of opinions other than your own.

May I remind you that to this day www.antifa.com takes the surfer to https://joebiden.com/presidency-for-all-americans/

Does that indicates that you are an antifa supporter?  The eighth commandment “best construction” prohibits me from drawing that conclusion.

Your lies are others truths ... continually hammering away on you version of your truth changes nothing in the minds of most.

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Your Turn / Re: Official antisemitism label
« on: November 24, 2020, 10:37:08 AM »
Perhaps in response, as President, Biden could call Trump's withdrawing financial support for Palestinians as a hate crime.
Do you really think believe that any position contrary to your point of view to be a hate crime? 

Where is your tolerance for opinions other than your own?

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Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 24, 2020, 10:28:22 AM »
Like Fox News? Trump minions? Crazed QAnon loonies? Convicted criminals on his side?
Is this really how you place the best construction on everything… Incessantly slandering and belittling and personally attacking anyone with whom you disagree?

Please accept that there are opinions valid opinions other than your own .. it seems we respect yours without the name calling you seem to find necessary.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: November 24, 2020, 09:49:53 AM »
Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine shots won’t be ‘a walk in the park’

Quote
KEY POINTS
The CDC must be transparent about the side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a coronavirus vaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC advisors.

Dr. Sandra Fryhofer said that both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses and she worries whether her patients will come back for a second dose because of potentially unpleasant side effects after the first shot.

Both companies acknowledged that their vaccines could induce side effects that are similar to symptoms associated with mild Covid-19, such as muscle pain, chills and headache.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: November 24, 2020, 09:11:17 AM »
What I'm curious about--and I'm not sure any of you really know, but maybe--is who determines what vaccines get distributed to whom or where?
The Texas state health department has already published its priorities:
  • Healthcare personnel likely to be exposed to or treat people with COVID-19.
  • People at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19, including those with underlying medical conditions and people 65 years of age and older (Residents of long term care facilities are first on this list.)
  • Other vulnerable, frontline workers
The reality is the vaccine distribution priorities are the responsibility of state officials ... which must be extremely distressing to those who habitually and instinctively strive to condemn President Trump for anything and everything.

Sorry folks ... the logistics for distribution of the vaccine is in the hands of capable career military personnel who will seamlessly continue the distribution both before and after high noon January 20.

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Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 24, 2020, 09:06:21 AM »
Pompeo had no business going to the settlements in the last weeks of his time as Secretary of State.
The thought that the current administration does not have the duty and responsibility to continue the daily operations of government simply indicates a disregard and lack understanding and respect for the United States constitution.

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Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 24, 2020, 08:24:25 AM »
"And it followed a key court decision in Pennsylvania, where the state’s Supreme Court on Monday ruled against the Trump campaign and the president’s Republican allies, stating that roughly 8,000 ballots with signature or date irregularities must be counted."
One would think that the objective should be to increase confidence in the manner in which the election was administered.

The bolded statement does the exact opposite ... increases doubt and furthers the belief that election irregularities exist.

It would be great if links to quoted material is included .., it’s so easy to do .., failure to provide this common courtesy further raises doubts as to the validity of the post.

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