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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: Yesterday at 08:13:44 AM »
How many in the medical communities agree with Senator Paul (& Admiral Jackson)? It's likely a tiny number.

People who care about truth agree with Senator Paul, because he has revealed so many lies Fauci has told.

Maybe not many in the medical communities care about truth?

"Majority support of a position is no guarantee of its truth." (Common Axiom)

Your Turn / Re: Islamophobia
« on: November 29, 2021, 12:47:10 PM »
Charles Austin, having swung and missed regarding the thread subject, employs the typical distraction of trying to divert discussion to his favorite often-whipped horse, the LCMS.
Do not fall into the pit.

Your Turn / Re: Christian response to Rittenhouse trial
« on: November 21, 2021, 12:51:04 PM »
A publicly prominent ELCA member reacts to the Presiding Bishop's "Pastoral Letter":

"...As we seek to restore justice; so also will we restore God to God’s rightful place at the center of our life together."
When did the ELCA remove God from His rightful place at the center of our life together?  Didn't see that coming.

This Sunday in particular of all the Sundays of the Church year allows us to read and understand Who is the Alpha and Omega, and it's not Queen Elizabeth or any elected official.

Dave Benke

...whether of the right hand or the left hand kingdom.

Your Turn / Re: Christian response to Rittenhouse trial
« on: November 21, 2021, 08:59:07 AM »
A publicly prominent ELCA member reacts to the Presiding Bishop's "Pastoral Letter":

"...As we seek to restore justice; so also will we restore God to God’s rightful place at the center of our life together."
When did the ELCA remove God from His rightful place at the center of our life together?  Didn't see that coming.

Your Turn / Re: Christian response to Rittenhouse trial
« on: November 19, 2021, 12:31:17 PM »
So, was it treason, sedition, insurrection, or peaceful protest when a major political party and its putative leader conspired to design, pay for, distribute through compliant media, lie unendingly under oath about, et. al., the now disproven "Steele Dossier" and its collateral materials?  Elected and appointed people in power at the levels of Constitutional authority did that. Many continue to spread the lies as Gospel truth.  Few have been charged, most pensioned out.  A few may have died.
Yeh, yeh, thread drift...

Your Turn / Re: Could we be seeing a return to one-earner families?
« on: November 16, 2021, 02:02:16 PM »
The website is very clear about who they are and where they got their data. If you don’t like it, fine. I just naïvely thought that maybe some data would be useful rather than casual, blue sky speculation that certain things are happening.

Thank you for contributing that data view to the discussion.  MagnifyMoney is a wholly owned product of, with its website offering ways into using their financial services.  That isn't a "good or bad" critique, but starts to give a basis to understand their viewpoint.  There are many other financial services organizations that provide data and have their sole mission to draw business to their company and its products.

People engaging in discussion bring information and viewpoints from many sources, and would best consider that there will be interest in proofing validity of data as well as of products being promoted.
It is neither naive to add such to the discussion nor to ask questions about additions to the discussion, as everyone here knows you typically do.  Seeking further information is neither an attack nor an endorsement of other approaches.

Your Turn / Re: Filling Future Pastoral Vacancies
« on: October 31, 2021, 02:05:59 PM »
A reasonable place to start when considering Filling Future Pastoral Vacancies is found by considering Martin Luther's five solas of the faith (worth considering for all even on Reformation Day):
Scripture Alone
Faith Alone
Grace Alone
Christ Alone
Glory to God Alone.

Those who are considering filling Lutheran Pastoral Vacancies in the future might begin by considering how they relate to the Solas.... 

Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: October 26, 2021, 12:29:43 PM »
The way the whole (and very real) COVID debacle began, has spread, has been - is being - "managed" continues to drastically impact public policy and private lives to an almost surreal extent. It reminds me of Dino Buzzati's short story, "The Epidemic" (in "Catastrophe and Other Stories" by Dino Buzzati).

His story follows the gradually changing and spreading effects of a “State influenza” - Dystopia as public policy and required implementation.

Buzzati's epidemic targets those who disagree with the government.  Just like ours.

Your Turn / Re: Reflections of a pro-life Democrat
« on: October 21, 2021, 08:02:43 PM »
"Truth has nothing to do with the number of people it convinces."  Paul Claudel

Your Turn / Re: Ben Carson on politics and cultural division
« on: October 14, 2021, 02:39:21 PM »
Ben Carson spoke at one of our national LCMS gatherings a few years ago.  As stated, he was civil, reasoned and carried himself and his life story with dignity.  He ran against one of the least civil public figures in memory in Donald Trump, a person with whom he had little if anything in common.  His service as HUD chairman was in my opinion someone doing the best he could with what he had.    Trump is all about housing and development, and has never been about affordability for the course of his entire public life.  So whatever deficit in experience Ben Carson had, at least he understood what affordable housing actually is.

Trump notably received a major tax abatement, called J51, for building Trump Tower on devastated/underutilized urban property there on 5th and 56th in Manhattan.  The same tax abatement was used appropriately to build the 3000 Nehemiah Plan homes in Brooklyn on acreage that had burned to the ground.  That housing was and continues to be built both as rental and owner housing on an actually affordable basis by organized congregations.  The organization was and is run through the Industrial Areas Foundation community organizing effort, which is the foundational child many decades later of Saul Alinsky.  I received my training in community organizing through the IAF. 

In terms of civil discussion and community organizing, I was one of those who spoke often to elected officials and power brokers.  Our training was very specific with regard to civility.  To be a public person is to be a citizen.  To be a citizen, conversation must be held that leads to the achievement of the ability to act on behalf of commonly held needs.  Our primary needs at the time - and they're still about the same - were decent public education, availability of food in areas considered food deserts, affordable housing, responsive policing and security, and training toward jobs.  The conversations we held and hold were specifically not about shouting and screaming, but always about ongoing relationships with officials that would produce the results needed.  So we were and are direct in approach, direct in pointing out what was and is missing, and direct in identifying achievable change.  The Nehemiah Plan was opposed by every public official until it wasn't opposed.  That process is actually the basis of my doctor of ministry thesis. 

Therefore I know civil discussion on controverted issues can be held and can lead to positive change.

Dave Benke

An extraordinary application of hypomone/hypomeno : patient endurance.
An extraordinary lesson to be learned and applied as a general virtue and as a characteristic of love, linked to hope and enduring suffering.
Thank you.  And for all, Phil. 4:9.

Your Turn / Re: Columbus Day and evangelism
« on: October 11, 2021, 12:42:11 PM »
For some years, one of my old firms had offices in both Virginia and California.  Columbus Day was deemed a Holiday in Virginia, so staff were given the day off with pay.  California did not deem Columbus Day a Holiday.
If Columbus had been able to journey on to California, he might have arrived there on the day after Thanksgiving, so we voted to declare Columbus Day to be the day after Thanksgiving in California, garnering a 4-day weekend.
Sometimes even the most improbable reasoning can benefit people...sometimes.

Your Turn / Re: Columbus Day and evangelism
« on: October 11, 2021, 12:19:19 PM »
Actually, Peter, those who are already living in Newfoundland, which the Vikings called skraelings, drove them out. After what were probably multiple attacks on their small settlement, the. Norsemen withdrew.

Scandanavian colonist building empire, driven back by indigenous peoples protecting their lands!

Your Turn / Re: Twenty Years from Now
« on: October 08, 2021, 03:53:51 PM »
The imminent demise of Christianity has been anticipated, predicted, and celebrated for at least the last two hundred years. Yet we are still here. Extrapolating future trends on the basis of current trends is inherently risky and not just subject to error but virtually guaranteed of error. Society as a system is extremely complex, operates on time frames beyond a single human lifespan, and subject to factors that are frequently unanticipated. It would be interesting, to say the least, to compare the vision of what life would be like in 2020 that people of 1920 anticipated with reality. Or even compare the vision of technology and society envisioned in the 1968 2001: A Space Odyssey with what we were actually doing in 2001.

A number of factors make predictions of the church 20 years from now especially difficult.

One is that many people base their thinking on the comparison between the place and relative success of the church now compared to the church in the mid-20th century. Churches and Christianity in general has lost much in numbers, influence, and cultural hegemony from the 1950s and 1960s and now. But what is not often taken into account was that the mid-20th century itself was anomalous in the history of church in America. Church membership and attendance as will as the influence that churches exerted on society was appreciably greater in those decades than it had been earlier in the 20th century, or later. To take those decades as the normal base line against which subsequent decades would be measured insured that our more recent experiences would be disappointing. Social, cultural, and church factors and trends converged to make those decades conducive to full and expanding churches. Those factors would eventually diverge.

There is also a tendency for trends to be to an extent self limiting and self-correcting. The pendulum swings and eventually can no longer sustain the swing in one direction and begins to swing back.

As I look at where the church will be twenty years from now, I anticipate that some of the trends that have resulted in the shrinking of the church will diminish before the church expires. We will not get back to the glory days of the mid-20th century, they were anomalous, but at some point the current downward trends are likely to stabilize. They sky is not falling. Meanwhile we need to adapt to the prevailing trends, do the best that we can to respond to our society as it is with the Gospel that God has given us. Whether people know it or not, recognize it or not, accept it or not, people really do need what God has given us to offer them in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the wisdom of God's Law. Some will come to see that. Our goal should not be to recapture the Good Old Days of the 1950s, that ship has sailed, but to faithful offer the changeless Good News to a changing world.

Yes.  The church is not a snapshot in a time of remembered elysium.

A fairly insightful lay leader has said that progress is a trade. 
"It's easy to imagine that over there, just a few steps ahead, our problems will disappear.  Pessimists, of course, are sure that instead of disappearing, tomorrow will make things worse.
The truth is pretty simple: all we do, all we ever do, is trade one set of problems for another.  Problems are a feature.  They're the opportunity to see how we can productively move forward, not to a world with no problems at all, but to a situation with different problems, ones that are worth dancing with." (Seth Godin)

Church attendance in the USA still ranges 3-4 times as high as in most of Europe (also 3-4 times higher in South and Central America.  Christianity in a chunk of the world has been not just decimated but destroyed by other militant religions and theocracies - Iraq almost emptied out, along with Syria, and Turkey actively moving in that direction.  Hic sunt dracones. Yet, Christ's purpose and work were for centuries done in those areas.  And, we might be surprised to find that His work is not completed there yet, until He comes again.

Despite anxieties and real challenges, how blessed the church in America is to have opportunity to face stasis and entropy, and to find the work of Christ living in the work He gives it.  May He open our eves to it.

Your Turn / Re: Twenty Years from Now
« on: October 08, 2021, 01:30:45 PM »
"It's tough to make predictions, particularly about the future." Yogi Berra

Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: October 08, 2021, 10:08:32 AM »
When New York starts worrying about not having enough people living there, we will have a host of other problems. :)

Ah, but they do care:

NY has lost seats since the 1940s. Letting the old die off and letting the young and able go does not add up. Even with more elbow room, people are leaving. Speaks volumes.

Snake Plissken, a much older more passive aggressive version perhaps, must be helping people get out...

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