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Your Turn / Re: Illegal Immigration and Immigration Reform
« on: July 02, 2010, 04:18:37 PM »
So save your cynical accusations, snide remarks, and axe-grinding for some topic that doesn't involve life and death for the most helpless among us.

Mike Bennett

How are the Mexican drug-smuggling cartels "the most helpless among us"?

Obviously nobody here has a corner on use of RED HERRINGS, do they?  I support arresting, trying, and punishing drug smugglers. 

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: Liturgy and Election
« on: July 02, 2010, 04:06:43 PM »
FWIW, I've found this discussion, and the article on which it's based, fascinating, substantial, and beneficial.  Thanks to all who are contributing to it.

Mike Bennett 

Your Turn / Re: Does Being and Remaining Lutheran Still Matter?
« on: July 02, 2010, 03:33:27 PM »
Sister Marie, I'm not interested in what your brother says or does. I am interested however in the fact that you continue, steadfastly, to answer any question put to you about the ordination of women. I asked you because you accused me of "dodging questions." You have proven my point that I do not believe you are in any position to level that accusation at others, since you continue to dodge questions about the ordination of women.


In the very same posting in which Marie refers to her brother, she goes on to say the following among other things:

"About the same time Dr.Bohlmann appointed me to the Presidentís Commission on Women. At our first meeting chairman Jean Garton asked each woman their thoughts on the ordination of women. Each affirmed the LCMS position."

Reading the words before us reveals that

1. Marie had been appointed a member of the Commission.
2. Each woman was asked her thoughts on the ordination of women.
3. Each affirmed the LCMS position.

Ergo, Marie, one of the women on the Commission, affirmed the LCMS position regarding the ordination of women.  Does she have to affirm it every time somebody asks, like some puppet on a stick, or a darkie in an old western movie dancing when the guffawing cowboys shoot at his feet, to avoid being falsely accused of evading the question of her position on that issue?

To an outsider with no dog in the fight, the real problem appears to be that she refuses to give a one word "Yes" or "No" without sassing the questioner a bit as part of her response, which makes her a sassy woman, which isn't adequately obsequious.

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: Illegal Immigration and Immigration Reform
« on: July 02, 2010, 01:00:24 PM »
For George, Paul, Charles, Brian, and anybody else who wants to make treatment of the stranger a matter of "liberal vs comservative," "traditionalist vs revisionist," "national security, " the "war against terrorism," or somehow drag your favorite peeve or grievance against the "other side" into a conversation regarding treatment of the stranger:

This traditionalist/conservative Lutheran finds Scripture (both OT and NT) consistent and unequivocal regarding treatment of the stranger, the poor, and the helpless.  He also finds the Lutheran Confessions to be consistent and unequivocal in that regard.  And he's content to be instructed by Scripture in every other matter of faith and conduct.

So save your cynical accusations, snide remarks, and axe-grinding for some topic that doesn't involve life and death for the most helpless among us.

Mike Bennett

I'm not the pastor, but

1. I know we generally have one patriotic hymn.

2. I'm assisting minister, so I get to decide what the Prayers of the People will be.  ;D  I haven't looked yet at what Sundays and Seasons sent out, but we'll surely have a petition or two pertinent to Independence Day, while steering very clear of making it a patriotic prayer-fest.

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: WordAlone-The End of Loyal Opposition
« on: July 01, 2010, 06:13:21 PM »
Hello, all!  :D

P.s. It's der Schweiz

Ah to be corrected by Pastor Austin, all is right with the world again  ;)  However, as I recall from German class over a decade ago, the femanine direct article "die" is official for the title of the country.  The direct article can change to the masculine form depending on its usage in the sentance.  So I will leave it as we are both richtig.  Good to have you back.

Actually you're not both right.  Your recollection from German class is right.  The name of the country is die Schweiz or, in  French, la Suisse.

Forum Blogs / Re: Storm in Minneapolis
« on: June 26, 2010, 06:48:35 PM »
I'm confused about something. Pastor Brock wasn't accused of engaging in homosexual activity. The article specifically said, "The group is the Minnesota affiliate of the Catholic Church's Courage program, described on its website as a 'spiritual support system which would assist men and women with same-sex attractions in living chaste lives in fellowship, truth and love.'" (My emphasis added) If he was leading a chaste life, regardless of whatever temptations he might have been subject to, what's the big deal?

Down in one of the layers of muck in one of the articles, the infiltrator/reporter claims that Pr. Brock confessed in the private meeting to a recent failure of behavior in that regard.  So he stumbled as we all do, when tempted in a way that not all are tempted by.

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: LCNA responds with sadness...
« on: June 24, 2010, 08:31:20 PM »
Oh, I wasn't referring to them but had the more militant LC/NA members in mind.  I think it was upstream or elsewhere in this thread that Maryland Brian mentioned ten years ago an LC/NA activist said they'd be respected or 'burn down' the ELCA church body.

IIRC, I saw a video and heard accounts of disorderly behavior at the 2005 or 2007 CWA.

The last CWA with disorderly behavior was 2005.  They learned then how counter-productive the tactic was, and abruptly changed tactics, to become, gosh, just your neighbor and your son and your daughter and your mother and your father, with profesionally edited stories in expensive, professionally produced booklets.

Mike Bennett

Forum Blogs / Re: The Morally Divided Body
« on: June 21, 2010, 09:42:54 PM »

Thanks for this summary; I missed the speech because of taking my Russian Church guests to the train station.  Was the question asked:  How did the Roman Catholic Church in our country deal with this issue, and why did it not divide?

She did not really deal with this, and the question was not asked. My recollection of the history is that several factors figured into the RC avoidance of division:

(1) The Roman Catholic Church was not heavily represented in the South (exception of Maryland)

(2) There was such strong anti-Catholic prejudice that they had plenty on their plate, and needed to stick together

(3) Hierarchical system with headquarters in Rome made structural division unlikely in any event.

The brief mention I got in my notes was that Roman Catholics tended to oppose slavery but were put off by the vehement anti-catholicism that accompanied the abolitionist movement.

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: Illegal Immigration and Immigration Reform
« on: June 21, 2010, 09:30:53 PM »
I don't know what's funnier - immigration discussions in which each party uses self-serving historical factoids to "prove" his point, or economics discussions in which the participants show no evidence of having ever passed an economics course in school.  Put the two together and you get some really hilarious stuff.

Mike Bennet

Or, why don't people who hate the church they supposedly belong to, despise its leaders, mistrust its programs, disagree with how it is organized and operates, refuse to take part in its activities and believe it is leading people away from the Bible just leave and function as they do now, as idiosyncratic, solipsist, personalistic, egotistical "Christians" self-righteously cleansed from the dreck that they abhor?

As always the Quote button wasn't used, so the hapless reader has no idea against what idea or statement this slander is directed.

Your Turn / Re: Hanson backs the terrorists, again.
« on: June 02, 2010, 05:23:49 PM »

Israel has a policy for providing humanitarian aid to Gaza that works, and minimizes the use of alleged "humanitarian aid" as a cover for smuggling. The alleged "flotillas seeking to deliver humanitarian goods to Gaza" was a political grandstanding exercise undertaken by the Turkish government in an attempt to curry political favor in the Muslim world. That ersatz flotilla, if it were genuinely seeking only to deliver humanitarian aid, could have docked at an Israeli port and the aid would have been transported overland into Gaza where the people who need it could get it.

When I was a child I bought into simplistic pap.  But I'm not a child anymore, so I don't buy what's written above.

Israel and who stand with her: right, righteous, kind, gentle, just, democratic, peace-loving?
Palestine and all who stand with her: wrong, evil, cruel, violent, unjust, despotic, jihadist?

The world isn't quite that simple, in the middle east or elsewhere.

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: Jon Pahl in Journal of Lutheran Ethics rips CORE...
« on: June 02, 2010, 05:15:38 PM »

And properly, the proclamation of the Law leads to turning to and relying on the Gospel. What good news do you declare after stating all homosexual behavior is sinful?

One of the Law's three uses properly leads to turning to and relying on the Gospel.  ;)

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: ELCA Larger Church Pastors Meeting
« on: June 02, 2010, 05:06:05 PM »
Now there's a low blow. But not surprising. Not at all.

Typically not using the Quote function, nor by any other means letting the reader know exactly what it is that's a low blow.  Not surprising at all.

Mike Bennett

Your Turn / Re: ELCA Larger Church Pastors Meeting
« on: May 31, 2010, 09:32:17 PM »
What did he say about Herman Otten?
Mike Bennett

Quote's just what the guy in New Haven TOLD us would happen - oh, no!  Oh, no!
Herman is Marie Meyer's brother.  We are a complicated group in Missouri Synod.

Ahh, thank you.  I'd heard of Herman Otten, but had no idea that "the guy in New Haven" would be refer to him. 

Mike Bennett

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