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Your Turn / Re: Let the Little Children...
« on: July 01, 2011, 10:48:22 PM »
It's likely that we need to learn about receiving Jesus in the sacrament from the toddlers rather than the other way around.

Wow, I agree with you.

The Vikings are gonna win the Super Bowl!!!

I agree with both of you.  Frankly, I think greater rigor is required of adults in receiving communion.  Children aren't encumbered by the constant barrage of adult rationalization.  And, to say that children don't understand repentance...I don't know.  My son was pretty young when he began to understand being bad, being punished, and reconciliation.  Frankly, I think the negative tendency as an adult is to either just commune out of habit, or to place multiple layers of law between one's self and the sacrament by asking questions like "Am I really repentant?  Am I just doing this because I'm just doing this?  Am I...(blablabla)."  The voice in one's own head can silence "Given for you" and "Shed for you" just as surely as the white noise of apathy can.

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Your Turn / Re: The Confusion of Christian and Conservative Values
« on: June 20, 2011, 12:08:05 AM »
I grew up during the presidency of Eisenhower. He is considered one of the top ten presidents of all time, but from the beginning to the end of his presidency (1953-1961) folks making over $200,000 were paying a federal tax rate as high as 91%. In 2011 the highest federal tax bracket is 40% for folks making over $378,250. Eisenhower started NASA -- our government is having troubles funding it. He enlarged Social Security. He signed the Federal-Aid Highway Act. Our government had funds to make life better for the citizens -- and it came from federal taxes.

What you omit is the fact that anyone making over $200,000 could take advantage of numerous tax shelters and loopholes to legally avoid paying taxes.
Another thing to bear in mind is that the postwar economy in the U.S. was growing, and that has a pretty strong effect on revenues.

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Your Turn / Re: Depicting Christ/Jesus
« on: June 19, 2011, 11:16:59 PM »
Holy cats, that's like the First Church of Leif Garrett. 

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Your Turn / Re: Depicting Christ/Jesus
« on: June 16, 2011, 01:41:54 PM »
Another thing to bear in mind is that historically, artists didn't necessarily travel a thousand miles to the Middle East to study the facial traits of the locals in order to paint a picture of Jesus.  Another thing to bear in mind is that local Jewish populations in Northern Europe didn't tend to have tons darker skin than much of the rest of the local population (and, I might add, many have blue eyes).  I do tend to object to outright demographic pandering with depictions of Christ, and I think that it quickly becomes nearly as stupid as the following clip from Talladega Nights:  http://youtu.be/3cehwiHIlho

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Wow, this resolution is almost the definition of "Cutting off your nose to spite your face".  Reducing the size of the pool of a group of insured tends to raise the costs for each individual member as well as reducing the viability of the company doing it.  I'm sure others here know a lot more than me about what the numbers of rostered ELCA clergy have been doing over the past decade, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they are lower than they were ten years ago.  Allowing departing ELCA clergy to remain members in the ELCA health plan is a smart move on the part of those administering said plan, because it at least shores up the number of people in the pool to a certain degree.  I would imagine that, if anything, those in charge will be looking at ways to increase the number of people who can take part. 

Purposely reducing the size of the pool is a bad idea that has literally no upside. 

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Your Turn / Re: Post-Rapture Check-in
« on: May 24, 2011, 12:06:25 PM »
Thankfully, I survived the weekend without any sort of rupture whatsoever. 

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Your Turn / Faith Formation
« on: April 29, 2011, 01:42:10 AM »
I'm a layman here, and realize that most of my ALPB "peers" are clergy.  And my question for you is this: how do you approach faith formation?  What I mean is, what do you emphasize while building faith for the young, and how do you approach faith for those of "formed faith" who suffer tragedies?  Basically, how would you catechize and preach to Seth and Job? 

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Your Turn / Re: Some changes afoot
« on: April 09, 2011, 07:50:05 PM »
Um,, I think you mean Scott, right?

That's right, Peter.   ;)

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Your Turn / Re: Some changes afoot
« on: April 08, 2011, 09:18:05 PM »
...want less of me?
Don't ask me questions.
Don't pick at my postings with glee as you point out  how wrong I am.
When you refer to the ELCA and its operations, be respectful and get it right.
Don't post stupid things.
And don't tweak my curiosity.
Then I won't have any reason to respond.
And if someone else wants to pick up the flag of reminding everyone what great church body the ELCA is, I shall hand over the standard.

The thing that is so incredibly obnoxious is that Charles does all of the the things  that he gripes about others doing.  He complains about people griping about the ELCA, but then does the exact same thing with the LCMS.  
He posts stupid, irrelevant things.  I was particularly glad when he corrected Rob Buechler's spelling of "Chaplain" in the thread about the Moravian church.  That added a lot to the discussion.  The gumbo critique that he offered up was also remarkably pointless.    The only thread that seems even somewhat unsullied by this is the "Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists" thread.  

So, I guess an "ignore" feature would be a nice way to keep the various topics cleaner.  That way, you can try and reply to a post without it being 3 pages removed due to a bunch of childish back-and-forth.

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Your Turn / Re: An apology for ontological maleness
« on: April 07, 2011, 12:20:20 AM »
Wow.  Those guys were creepy. 

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Your Turn / Re: Moravian Church - PECUSA
« on: April 06, 2011, 10:40:39 PM »

....What good are these agreements? Well, the Moravian pastor who follows a spouse to Minot North Dakota where there are no Moravian churches can now move with confidence: The local ELCA bishop, the local ECUSA bishop, and the local PCUSA Presbytery can and will use that Moravian pastor to fill one of the many vacancies that they have no candidates for. The people who have been waiting for a new permanent pastor will be thankful, the local judicatory will parade parish and pastor out every year as a magnificent example of our cooperation with other Christians. Whether it actually is that is up to question.

Of all the states in the Union used as an example when referring to ecumenical agreements, North Dakota is hands-down the most frequent state used. It has a lock-hold on first place. In fact, I couldn't name the next top three. It's always North Dakota. I wonder why that is.

I'm not sure.  The Episcopalians, Moravians, and PCUSA don't exactly have a huge presence in ND, so it would be likely that ELCA clergy would be helping fill their pulpits.  That's my best guess, anyway.

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Your Turn / Re: Interesting details about new ELCA start-ups.
« on: April 06, 2011, 03:35:46 PM »

I wonder if the CPA doing my taxes is aware of that?

I'm sure that s/he knows that. However, calculators usually only speak decimal where 2+2=4 is always a true calculation. It's when we speak different numerical languages, e.g., binary, that different, but still true results appear.



If you think there is a "2" in binary, that would explain many things about your analysis provided.

LOL!!!!  

well, there are only 10 types of people in the world...

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Mr. Erdner writes:
The only lie is yours in saying that I proposed a scheme. I did not. ...I said that it is what is happening in many ELCA congregations around the country. I did not endorse it, or praise it. I only reported it.
I respond:
Oh? Give us some examples of where that duplicity is happening? Substantiate your "reporting".

Give it a rest Charles.  Over the past couple of years, you have made numerous references to ELCA congregations that don't send mission support; that are "ELCA in name only".  Now George does the same thing and you start arguing for references. 

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Your Turn / Re: Interesting details about new ELCA start-ups.
« on: April 01, 2011, 07:57:27 PM »
At the start of the thread, Mr Erdner refers to the "allegedly Lutheran congregation," The Project F-M, and makes comments about "pesky details" of church membership and theological orthodoxy.

It's a bit ironic because, in his research, he missed out on "pesky details" of his own. For example the person he quotes as leading the effort, Karis Thompson, hasn't been part of The Project for nearly a year; her work ended last summer. More, The Project just called a Presbyterian pastor to serve as mission developer.

Still, I suppose a lack of "pesky details" has never stopped anyone from drawing conclusions and getting angry.

Really, there isn't a whole lot of readily available information regarding what "The Project F-M" is or what it does.  So, if it's being introduced as some sort of ELCA mission start (which is basically what the article described it as), any bit of information that you get about it is going to be considered as though it's an ELCA mission start. 


And, if it's an ELCA mission start, and this is the most information that you can get about it...

Quote
The Project F-M

+ seeing | shades of gray +
How do we see the world? In black and white? Or in shades of gray? How do we see each other? Do we expect people to fit into our clear-cut categories and fixed typecasts? Or do we engage others with genuine curiosity, imagining we could be surprised by what discover?

+ being | bold enough +
How do we live our lives? How, where and in whose company do we spend our weeks, our days, our hours?
Is it enough for us to just flock together with birds of a feather? Or, will we be bold enough to seek out those we’re least like or likely to like?

+ coming | together +
We’re an ever-evolving community founded on faith, not facts. And grounded by a curiosity that compels us to always wonder what we might be missing, who we should next seek out to listen to, to learn from. We’re challenged to see each person as valued and valuable – made in the image of God – and each encounter as sacred and transforming. Everyone belongs. Everyone matters.

We’re endeavoring to escape whatever confines of comfort we’ve established for ourselves, and to create new patterns of exploration and engagement. To cultivate a sense of relatedness and unity out of the most outrageously diverse collection of identities and ideas. We’re witnessing to the possibility of community that transcends our time-honored divisions and most profound disagreements. As people of faith, this is who we are.

And you? What’s your story? We’d love to hear from you.


...you wind up wondering what kind of mission it actually is. 

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Your Turn / Re: Interesting details about new ELCA start-ups.
« on: April 01, 2011, 10:48:35 AM »
...and that is by and large not the case in Fargo Moorhead. 

I spent a bit of time looking at the Project F-M Facebook page.  I think it's some sort of mission outreach thing for college kids? That's the most I can make out of it. 

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