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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: July 20, 2021, 12:14:22 PM »
I do love how fast we crawfished from “the unvaccinated will kill us” to “the unvaccinated will give us the sniffles” though.

It’s almost as if it isn’t about public health and safety at all.
Who is this "we"?

Peace,
Michael

Oh, I don’t think it was all that cryptic. If you started from the premise that the unvaccinated are a threat to the very lives of the vaccinated, it was probably about you.

If you didn’t, it wasn’t.


What if we start from the premise that the unvaccinated are a threat to the community or to the state or to the nation? Are we not to think beyond our selves? Are we not to be concerned about others even more than our selves?
I'm still wondering who "crawfished".  ??? And what does "crawfish" as a verb even mean? That's cryptic enough.

Google it, Father.

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Rev. Stoffregen,

Above you wrote about farmers/ranchers being prejudiced against “educated” people.  I have served in farming areas all of my ministry.  And virtually all the farmers in those places had at least some post-high school education.  I would guess close to, if not an actual, majority have college degrees.  Farming is big business, involving knowledge of chemistry, botany, zoology, economics, meteorology, mechanics, and more.  It is also extremely practical.  Perhaps the antipathy you described was not towards the education of those “experts” but rather their lack of farming experience and practical knowledge. 

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Pastor Bohler:
That's odd.  ALL of them (at least where the Gospel was present) served that purpose for me.
Me:
Don’t pretend you don’t know what we’re talking about. Or how this line of discussion began. It does not become you.

Oh, I know what we are talking about.  And I am dead serious: every church in which the Gospel is preached/taught/given IS a foretaste of heaven.  Don't you agree? 

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I have been in a lot of Lutheran churches in this country. Some of them were very nice. Most of them were quite decent. But none of them would’ve served the purpose of being a foretaste of the feast to come.

That's odd.  ALL of them (at least where the Gospel was present) served that purpose for me.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: July 11, 2021, 05:54:00 PM »
Today, Dr. Fauci announced that almost 50% of eligible Americans have been fully vaccinated.
He stated that a recent Gallup Poll indicated that 20% of Americans don't intend to be vaccinated.
So the goal of 70% of eligible Americans to be fully vaccinated may not be reached as some
states now say there is little or no demand for further vaccinations.

So, if those figures are correct, 50% have been vaccinated; 20% refuse vaccination; and 30% are apathetic or lazy or what?

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Point 4 is "Minorities deal with being stereotyped often." 

Dave Benke
Patiently waiting for Charles and/or Brian to explain how someone can “deal with being stereotyped often” when they don’t “get stereotyped often”.


Where does the quote "don't get stereotyped often" come from? I don't find it on the chart.

The quoted portion is "get sterotyped often".   
But you know that.


Yes, and I'm still asking where did the quote come from? Why did you add "don't" to it?

He didn't.  Read it again.  The quotation marks are only on the words get stereotyped often.  You are the one who added the don't to the quotation.

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Your Turn / Re: Protestants Destroy Church?
« on: July 09, 2021, 09:22:19 AM »
Quote
The church was destroyed during the Protestant Reformation that swept through Europe in the 16th century and led to the creation of new branches of Christianity, the archaeologists said in the statement.

https://www.livescience.com/otto-the-great-church-discovered.html

Any clues as to this history? Typically, churches were repurposed rather than destroyed. What happened here? The article does not explain.

It might be a good question to ask the article's author.  I wonder if it was really a church, or whether it was more of a royal chapel (considering its connection with a palace, as mentioned in the article, as well as the relative lack of religious items and burials found there).

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Pastor Bohler:
This from the folks who tell us that all whites are racist.

Me:
Not on the chart. But Pastor Bohler heard somewhere, someplace that someone said that, so he applies it universally. And I think he is not sure that there is even a need for that chart.

Oh, so everything taught by CRT is on that chart?  Cool.  Good to know.

By the way, if the claim that all whites are racist is what I perceive CRT to be saying then, according to Revs. Stoffregen and Austin, it MUST be so.  Because what really matters is what the recipient perceives, and NOT what the speaker/writer intended (or even actually said).

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Pastor Bohler:
This from the folks who tell us that all whites are racist.

Me:
Not on the chart. But Pastor Bohler heard somewhere, someplace that someone said that, so he applies it universally. And I think he is not sure that there is even a need for that chart.

Oh, so everything taught by CRT is on that chart?  Cool.  Good to know. 

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Point 4 is "Minorities deal with being stereotyped often." 

Dave Benke
Patiently waiting for Charles and/or Brian to explain how someone can “deal with being stereotyped often” when they don’t “get stereotyped often”.

Well, they ARE right.  I misquoted it.  But you are also right: the meaning is the same.

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Another description of CRT. Which of these do you object to and why?

My favorite is Number 4: "Minorities get stereotyped often".  This from the folks who tell us that all whites are racist.

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Pastor Bohler:
Despite your (Deaconess Meyer’s) constant complaints about the LCMS and what it teaches in books, classrooms, etc.

I comment:
I do not hear “complaints.“
“Complaints” is a negative term in this setting and usage.
I hear questions. I hear attempts to correct what the writer believes to be wrong. I hear questions. I hear a search for real meaning in the subject at hand. All positive things.

That's nice.  I hear complaints.

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Mrs. Meyer,

I did not say that you were oppressed. This is what I wrote (and, by the way, it was not serious): "And Mrs. Meyer cannot talk about LCMS men and how they are oppressive to women or patriarchal or whatever anymore?  Cool."  It was a joke, to illustrate the foolishness of saying that only members of a certain group can talk about that particular group.  I do not, and never did, think you were oppressed -- by the LCMS or anyone else.  Despite your constant complaints about the LCMS and what it teaches in books, classrooms, etc.

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There is a reason why reputable academics do not allow their students to quote Wiki-anything


A good Wiki article contains footnotes where researchers can look up the source material and quote from them.


I think that CRT would ask if any student should be able to quote a white author talking about the Black experience. Or, as a white man tried to do here, to teach us about Native American spirituality.


If Wiki is an unreliable source, than so are folks who talk about races and genders that are not their own. That, I believe, is what is being critiqued. Let those who actually live the experiences tell their stories rather than "experts" who theorize about them.

So, you are saying that any non-white person ought not talk about white privilege since they haven't lived that alleged experience?  And Mrs. Meyer cannot talk about LCMS men and how they are oppressive to women or patriarchal or whatever anymore?  Cool.  That settles that.

For some reason Steven W Bohler finds it necessary to twist this thread with the following, "And Mrs. Meyer cannot talk about LCMS men and how they are oppressive to women or patriarchal or what ever more? Cool. That settles that."

Rather than start another thread, I would simply ask that Mr. Bohler surface any post, one will do, where I have commented on how oppressive LCMS men are to women.   

I have stated, and continue to maintain, that some LCMS men have misused God's Word to teach that God's order for the relationship of man and woman in the Church is a structured chain of being and/-or a structured chain of command.

I am persuaded that it is to the spiritual detriment of men when they, albeit unwittingly, place the human male between God and God's creation, the human woman.    The ultimate issue is letting God be God in the life of woman.

I am grateful to the LCMS men, beginning with my late father Herman Otten Sr., my parochial school teachers including Dr. Robert Schnabel,  my pastors including the Rev Oswald Hoffman and The Rev Ted Whitrock, the vicars who served my home church including John Damm, John Tietjen, Walter Bouman, Milton Rudnick, Art Simon, Hans Spalteholz and Dale Hansen,  my college professors including Prof Robert C Schultz, Robert Bertram, Richard Koenig, my father-in-law the Rev Adolf Meyer  AND my beloved  husband of 59 years, Bill Meyer. (Please note how many of these men have a history with the ALPB.;

Was I oppressed?  Hardly.  These men taught me the importance of letting God be God in my life....no man was to claim a place between  God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit and me.  Most certainly, they were not to misuse Scripture to prove it was God's idea that a  man or men take God's rightful place in  my life.  Doing so is the result of original sin; the mind and heart being curved inward on self. 

Marie Otten Meyer

Mrs. Meyer, you wrote: "Rather than start another thread, I would simply ask that Mr. Bohler surface any post, one will do, where I have commented on how oppressive LCMS men are to women.   I have stated, and continue to maintain, that some LCMS men have misused God's Word to teach that God's order for the relationship of man and woman in the Church is a structured chain of being and/-or a structured chain of command."  I think you have just answered your own question.

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There is a reason why reputable academics do not allow their students to quote Wiki-anything


A good Wiki article contains footnotes where researchers can look up the source material and quote from them.


I think that CRT would ask if any student should be able to quote a white author talking about the Black experience. Or, as a white man tried to do here, to teach us about Native American spirituality.


If Wiki is an unreliable source, than so are folks who talk about races and genders that are not their own. That, I believe, is what is being critiqued. Let those who actually live the experiences tell their stories rather than "experts" who theorize about them.

So, you are saying that any non-white person ought not talk about white privilege since they haven't lived that alleged experience?  And Mrs. Meyer cannot talk about LCMS men and how they are oppressive to women or patriarchal or whatever anymore?  Cool.  That settles that.


Mrs. Meyers certainly should be a spokeswoman about the way the LCMS treats women. Her story is one that no male could share.

No, she can only speak about women because she is not a man (oh, and by the way, it is Mrs. Meyer not Mrs. Meyers).  So, she cannot speak of anything said or done by LCMS men -- she does not share their experience.  How can she know what they felt or thought or believed since she is not one of them?  Only LCMS men can speak about LCMS men.  That, after all, is the logical conclusion of what you had written in your previous post.  And, following that same weird logic of yours, non-white people cannot speak or write about anything whites have said or done since they do not share those experiences of white people.  Only white people can be allowed to do that. 

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