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Your Turn / Re: Seminex in Print
« on: December 21, 2021, 09:45:29 PM »
The ELCA has three interdependent expressions of "church": the congregation, the synod, and the churchwide expression. Any one of those can be called "church." Thus, when the synod is in assembly, it is church. When we talk about the call being through the agency of the church, it involves all three expressions. As an ordained pastor in the ELCA (meaning: I'm on its roster of ministers of word and sacrament,) I can preach and preside at any ELCA congregation (at their invitation, or at the request of a synod bishop) and at any congregation of our full partner church bodies (at their invitation). It is our synods who are responsible for the rostering. The synod council can remove pastors from the roster. Pastors' synodical membership gets transferred when they move to a new synod.

The bolded portion is new to me, Brian. 

New to me, too. Can you cite the constitutional provision that allows this?


The particular circumstances that were in my memory were pastors who were "on leave from call" 7.31.07.


In researching this, there's also 7.43.01 when a pastor under call from the Synod Council is no longer in that Call.


I think we have a semantic problem here. A pastor may only be placed "on leave from call" on the recommendation of the bishop and approval of the synod council. So, a pastor is not "removed" by the synod council, but simply not approved for that status.

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Your Turn / Re: Seminex in Print
« on: December 20, 2021, 01:59:08 PM »
The "slow motion schism" is still in motion, at least into the NALC, and I would suspect the LCMC as well.  It's a couple of dozen churches a year, but it continues.
Don't think anybody's trying to write any sort of scholarly history yet, though Mark Granquist mentions it briefly in his history of American Lutheranism.


A small quibble...
Actually, the number of congregations withdrawing from the ELCA the past couple of years has been 10-13, not "a couple of dozen."

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: October 06, 2021, 10:10:28 PM »

Bunk! Peer review means that other scientist at other institutions, who do not have the same agenda-drive processes, do the same experiment and reach the same conclusions - or their experiment shows the errors in the original conclusions.

No, Brian. You might spend 3 minutes on youtube learning what peer review means..Peer Review in 3 Minutes

The scandal of disreputable journals has been around for a long time.

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Your Turn / Re: Definition and Purpose(s) of Confirmation
« on: May 19, 2021, 11:34:27 PM »
(I believe that in the Roman Catholic Church and Anglican Communion, bishops still officiate at confirmation services. This is one reason why The Episcopal Church has about 100 diocese where the ELCA has 65 synods; while they have about have the membership of the ELCA.)

Actually, the membership for 2019 was:
ELCA = 3,265,581
Episcopal = 1,637,945

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: April 27, 2021, 12:18:10 AM »
Peter, you have been heading down your road for some time. No surprises there. But Im concerned that you may have kidnapped Pastor Weedon, who now offers advice from a fictional elf.
Actually, he was a fictional man. Boromir of Rohan.

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Your Turn / Re: Questions about Mary
« on: March 30, 2021, 07:26:43 PM »
Actually, Dave, the Caesarean section was named after Julius Caesar, who supposedly was born that way approximately 100 BC.
A hotly debated legend, especially since his mother was alive at the time he invaded Britain.Most likely, it comes from  the Latin word caesus meaning "to cut."

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Your Turn / Re: One step forward, maybe?
« on: January 10, 2021, 03:24:34 PM »
I can't find the link, but Episcopal Bishop Michael Curry spoke this morning on MSNBC and gave a powerful Christian witness for reconciliation and the "hard work" of forgiveness.  It wasn't really an interview; he just preached on it for six or seven minutes.  And it represents what you're interested in seeing, not so much from political leaders only, but from Americans.

Dave Benke
This may be what you're looking for:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/episcopal-bishop-cites-christian-gospel-in-criticism-of-trump-84274757611?cid=sm_fb_maddow

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Your Turn / Re: Important announcement
« on: December 23, 2020, 11:16:29 PM »
Good decision, Mods

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Your Turn / Re: Check out the online articles section
« on: November 28, 2020, 12:36:06 AM »

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Your Turn / Re: White Fragility
« on: July 09, 2020, 07:45:04 PM »
Or for June only:"There was a 34% increase in the number of murders over the same period, last year. There were also 45% more shootings."
https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/chicago-crime-statistics-for-june-spike-in-murders-shootings/

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Your Turn / Re: White Fragility
« on: July 09, 2020, 07:36:36 PM »
Their murders did not become a viral video on the internet. We could also talk about how many people have been shot and killed in Chicago over the last month - and they don't make national news. (I don't even know how many make local Chicago news.)
"At least 336 people have been murdered in Chicago through July 2, according to the Chicago Police Department; because murders typically increase in the summer, the city is on track to match the 778 deaths in 2016, its deadliest year since the mid-1990s. (New York City, with almost three times the population, had 176 murders as of June 28.)"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/us/chicago-shootings.html

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Speaking of Rev. Doctor R. Guy Bishop Erwin, I don't think there is any danger that his regime will be more hostile to students who hold traditional views on marriage than the current regime is.  He might even be more respectful of people with traditional views, if Pastor Tibbett's experience is indicative of his attitude.

It could turn to be a shrewd decision. He has to raise money or fall into the trap Southern did with LRs Faustian bargain. If he can do that and operate above board, he will be a big improvement. It may also be that he is positioned to be able create some sort of order out of the chaos with students and faculty because none of the usual trump cards can be played (except being cis-gendered, I guess).

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: April 01, 2020, 07:00:43 PM »
We get the daily feed from Governor Cuomo here in NY; maybe that's nationwide since it's the epicenter state.  Anyway, he continues to offer "next step" questions at his press conferences, which kind of remind me of the way his dad would speak and interact, more philosophically.  Today he said that the national solution being offered right now is to print money.  And he said, you know at some point there have to be some services rendered for money printing to work - some exchange of value.  I think that takes a whack at the whacky solution of just paying everyone $1000 a month ($2000?) to stay home for a year.  At some point along the way, $1000 will be worth about ten cents.
Dave Benke
Odd that a Democrat would raise that issue (my party seems to want to give everything away for free), but he is right.
Last year we (taxpayers) paid $749 Billion in interest on the current debt. Adding another $2 Trillion to the debt is indeed frightening.

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Your Turn / Re: Worship can be livestreamed, but communion can't?
« on: March 28, 2020, 07:14:06 PM »
Oh my gosh, Chuck, you still have that stuff around? You need to do some pruning, my friend!  ;D

But interesting that 14 years ago not quite 50% of ELCA churches offered the Eucharist weekly at the principle service. I imagine we've made some progress since then, but if this really mattered to the powers that be, we'd have more recent statistics and there would be a continuing but gentle urging in that direction.
Heh...I have every year since 1988. I'm a stats nut, you know.

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Your Turn / Re: ELCA Communion Frequency
« on: March 28, 2020, 06:02:38 PM »
I wonder if those statistics were ever published anywhere? Oh, and then those statistics would now be 14 years old! Then there's the question of whether the current staff people even know such old statistics exist. When I asked a couple of years ago, the answer was not "We have statistics, but they are 10 years old" but "No, we don't have any statistics on that."
Pg. 66 of the Secretary's Report

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