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Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 15, 2020, 04:01:36 AM »
A couple that we have known for years have been spreading info on FB about a software program (Dominion) being a part of  'Steal the Vote.'   Rather surprised to learn that these good people have been influenced in this matter.  Here is the truth behind the matter.  The count by the way is now Biden 306, Trump 232.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 14, 2020, 01:01:34 PM »
Joe Biden is the President-Elect of the United States.  Refusal of deniers to acknowledge this is dissemination of toxicity  in our democracy.  Deniers are breaking faith with American history, ideals, and ideas.   It is un-American and disloyal.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 14, 2020, 11:58:01 AM »
Rampart fraud is not the case at all.  You persist in disseminating uncertainty.  Get over it.  Joe Biden won the 2020 Presidential Election.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 14, 2020, 04:51:44 AM »
You miss the counter-suggestion in Pastor Austin's comment. The point is that 45's supporters have deified 'Him.'  Pastor Austin is not deifying anybody.  It's subtle, I know, but stick with it.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 12, 2020, 12:39:56 PM »
Here is Maureen Dowd's perspective pn President Trump:   " Donald Trump’s resistance to the idea that he lost the election isn’t a surprise. This is a man, former star of a phony-reality TV show, who almost never admits he’s lost/failed/come in second at anything. Who knows what new adventures we’ll have before Inauguration Day? I’m hoping he’ll refuse to leave his room and security agents will end up carrying him out of the White House in a blanket.

Which blanket would then be shredded into little bitty tufts of cloth and sold to benefit Trump’s Official Election Defense Fund. Or perhaps its successor, the Make Mar-a-Lago Great Again Crusade."

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 12, 2020, 10:30:29 AM »
President Trump is attempting to raise money even after he has been defeated at the ballot box.  Dana Milbank of The Washington Post fills us in on the scam.

"Sixty percent of the contribution, up to $5,000, goes to “Save America,” Trump’s newly created leadership PAC. And 40 percent of the contribution up to $35,500, goes to the Republican National Committee’s operating account, its political (not legal) fund.

Only after reaching the first maximum would a single penny go to Trump’s “Recount Account,” and only after reaching the second maximum would a penny go to the RNC’s legal account.

“It’s a straight-up bait and switch,” Paul S. Ryan, the vice president of policy and litigation at Common Cause, tells me. Such email solicitations target small donors, so for the “overwhelming majority of people contributing … none of their money will end up in recount accounts” or be used for otherwise challenging the election.

Rather, it will be used to extend Trump’s influence over the RNC during the Biden presidency and to build up his leadership PAC, which amounts to a “slush fund” for Trump’s personal use. “There is no limit to how much Donald Trump can pay himself or any member of his family under ‘Save America,’” Ryan notes."

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 10, 2020, 12:33:06 PM »
I like to read about relics and how pious believers felt that they might get closer to God if they possessed relics from the life of Jesus and the Saints.  A hilarious parody of this situation is Christopher Buckley 's 'The Relic Master' which I have as an audio book on my devices.  Now a relic from 45's  Presidency has been made available.  It's a Bible signed by (45).  This piece was in The New Yorker section. The Talk of the Town in the November 2, 2020 issue.  " 'The 5.5 x 8.5 in. King James version is a 1,002pp. edition published by Christian Art publishers, 2016.  The cover and spine are black faux calf, with titles on spine and cover in embossed gold.'  The [consignor's  blurb] mentions how Trump held up a Bible this past spring for his controversial photo op in front of St. John's Church. But this isn't that one.  The auction house's opening bid was five thousand dollars....[The consignor] said that if the Trump Bible had been the one from the St. John's photo op he'd have asked for a hundred grand, instead of merely five.  Because history.  He had urged the consignor to put the Bible up for sale before the election, in the event Trump loses."   

So, the takeaway is that Trump losing the election means that collectors will lose money on relics from his Presidency.   

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 10, 2020, 11:38:49 AM »
'James'...  "Government indoctrinators?"  Are you serious?  Come on, Man.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 10, 2020, 11:37:01 AM »
The Daily podcast  by The New York Times today features an in-depth discussion of polling in the Election just concluded.  Polling is not a joke.  Polling is not exact.   Polling cannot predict the future.  Please don't dismiss it.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 09, 2020, 01:20:30 PM »
Evangelicals aren't giving up even though the election is over and. Joe Biden is the President Elect.  Evangelicals are politically power hungry and do not confine themselves to doing the work of the Lord,  This is my letter to NY Times which has been approved for distribution.   

"Your comment has been approved!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with The New York Times community.

Norman Teigen | Hopkins MN
In 1780 Benjamin Franklin wrote a letter to Richard Price on the subject of religious tests: "When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are obliged to call for the help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." see the Library of America collection."

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 09, 2020, 12:18:23 PM »
Julio's posts are tiresome, bothersome, and ill-mannered.  The Election is over.  Stop attacking individuals on this Forum and post something constructive.

Your Turn / Re: Election 2020
« on: November 07, 2020, 09:36:25 PM »
Please end this thread.  The election is over.

Your Turn / Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 06, 2020, 11:17:55 AM »
The final results of the Election of 2020 may soon be known.  My suggestion is to put to bed the Forum topic on the 2020 Election and move on.  Remember...with malice toward none with charity to all.

There were some definite surprises.  What were some of these surprises?

Your Turn / Re: Election 2020
« on: November 05, 2020, 01:23:53 PM »
Wise words, Marie Meyer.   Thank you. I offer an example of words of healing and reconciliation between Benjamin Franklin and his son William. The two were on opposite sides in the American Revolution .  When the War was over, the elder Franklin wrote to his son. (August 16, 1784 -my source is the LOA Franklin collection of letters and papers):  "I ought not to blame you for differing in Sentiment with me in Public Affairs.  We are Men, all subject to Errors. Our Opinions are not in our own Power; they are form'd and govern'd as much by Circumstances, that are often as inexplicable as they are irresistible.  Your Situation was such that few would have censured your remaining Neuter, tho' there are Natural Duties which precede political ones, and cannot be extinguish'd by them.  This is a disagreeable subject.  I drop it.  And we will endeavor, as you propose mutually to forget what has happened relating it as well as we can."

I hope that ALPB Forum members might do likewise. God bless us all.

Your Turn / Re: Election 2020
« on: November 02, 2020, 03:07:44 PM »
But what about the Baptists?  How should they vote in 2020?  The Baptist Standard offers these thoughts:  "According to various measures, white evangelicals voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump...despite stated convictions in opposition to things like sexual impropriety."  The idea is "a man who brags about forcing himself on women makes a better president than a woman who supports the right of women to choose abortion."  Baptists reject this idea.  Baptist principles are that there is "no other master than Jesus Christ....we are to bow before no other than Jesus Christ-no political party, no platform, no economic policy, no foreign policy, no social agenda, nothing but Jesus." Baptist principles affirm Scripture "as the law of Christ's reign."   "No human authority should dictate Jesus' will to a person... Baptists champion the free exercise of religion around the world."  "Baptists are a free people.  We are free in Christ and thus free indeed. ..When we vote, we ought to be concerned with which candidate is most likely to facilitate such freedom."


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