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Messages - Norman Teigen

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Your Turn / Re: Important announcement
« on: December 24, 2020, 11:03:15 AM »
Yes.  A nice surprise on Christmas Eve.

Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 16, 2020, 05:37:39 PM »
Here is a challenging read on "Political.  sectarianism in America."    'A poisonous cocktail of othering, aversion, and moralization poses a threat to democracy.'  It's from Science Magazine.  I haven't read all of yet but intend to do so.

Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 15, 2020, 04:48:14 PM »
My comments are about the GCC church in California identified by the headline "Who Is Caesar to the Church?"  And, yes, I did print and read the entire piece.  I think that it is a good thing to read about the subject from every view possible.  I, personally,  approach things when it comes to church and state from a distinctly Lutheran pew-sitter point of view.  My late father, a respected theologian, strongly advised me to become knowledgeable on the Lutheran teachings of the Two Kingdoms. Before his death in 2004 he predicted that the doctrine would become overlooked by the Lutheran Church and I think that his prediction is on the mark.   We Lutherans seek out the word and we confess that the Gospel is taught in the the church but also through the mutual conversation and consolation of the brethren.  The Word is the Word whether it be proclaimed by the pastor in the pulpit, read by the lay person at home, or spoken in conversation.  The dominant thing about this concept is the power of the Word, and not the association of the believers.   In this pandemic my Lutheran congregation does not gather in the sanctuary but we hear the Word electronically through streaming and You Tube.  We believe that it is wise to follow the advice of medical and political officials to avoid public gatherings. We want to be good citizens and not bring disease and COVID to ourselves and others.   We do so without demanding that the church is not being heard.  We do so without demanding that. our congregation has some kind of secular power which. the government overlooks.  We willingly submit to the counsel of our public leaders.   The power of. the Church is the power of the Word.      So, I see some interesting points for discussion in this article, and  I  urge continued study  on the subject.  Don't be afraid to seek out articles from the. Lutheran perspective, though.   A. good reading suggestion is the ELCA's message on "Government and Civic Engagement in the United States:  Discipleship in a Democracy."

Your Turn / Re: Staying in Touch; Managing Christmas Services
« on: December 13, 2020, 04:15:10 PM »
My church, Normandale Lutheran Church, Edina MN has not held worship services in the sanctuary since March.  The services are on You Tube and I invite all to tune in. The services are very nicely done.  Wednesday Advent Vespers are at 7 pm.  Today,  Advent 3,  was the Children's Christmas Service.  I also watch the Duke University Chapel service on YouTube  after Normandale.  I feel  privileged to have had good preaching during the Covid-19 year. 

Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 12, 2020, 08:10:41 AM »
This should be the last word.

155, ORIG.
             FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2020
               ORDER IN PENDING CASE
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of
complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.
Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

Your Turn / Re: Life in Quarantine: One man's reflections
« on: December 10, 2020, 10:57:37 AM »
Nicely done, Pastor Austin.  We missed it but got it on the rebound.

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 06:37:05 PM »
Yes. It was a fabrication.  There was nothing about the Clinton candidacy or the fact that Donald Trump won the 2016 election in the article.  No one questions that Donald Trump won the  2016 election.  It was a Randy Bosch fabrication to say that I had misread the article. 

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 04:42:36 PM »
"Clinton" nowhere appears in the Jochen Bittner piece about Dolchstossegende.  You have fabricated the reference. 

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 12:09:03 PM »
I tried to inject some humor into the discussion with the Elvis joke.  Seriously, the issue of denial is serious and there is a lesson from history to consider.  Jochen Bittner wrote in the Times about 1918 Germany and the alarmism from the term "Dolchstosslegende" or stab-in-the-back.  "It's core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I.  Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but now warranted.  It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation--a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation."  Nobody is saying that President Trump is like Hitler "but the Dolchstosslegende provides a warning. " It's laughable that Trump makes his claims but it is no joke.    "Instead the campaign i.e. the Trump claims, should be seen as what it is:  an attempt to elevate 'They stole it' to the level of legend, perhaps seeding for the future social polarization and division on a scale America has never seen."

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 09:31:10 AM »
Do you believe that Elvis is dead?

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 09:18:17 AM »
There are conspiracies out there.    One is that the election. was rigged and that Donald Trump  had many more votes than Joe Biden.  Dark forces were at work.  No evidence of fraud proves that this is true because the conspirators are clever at what they do .   Another is that Elvis is not dead.  Where is his Social Security check?

Your Turn / Re: Advent Devotions
« on: November 27, 2020, 11:07:21 AM »
It was good to see Pastor Weedon in action reading his devotions.  I've known Pastor Weedon to be an Advent guy for many years.  I've learned from him about the 'O' carols.  For another good choice in Advent devotions. see

These four devotions are the work of the presiding bishops of the ELCA, ELCA in Canada, The Anglical Church in Canada, and The Episcopal Church. 

I recommend Pastor Weedon and the bishops for Advent readings.

I will be downloading the four Advent cantatas of Bach from You Tube later today. 

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 24, 2020, 08:40:36 AM »
The election was fair.  The votes were properly counted.  President Trump's campaign undermines the American way of doing government.  It is un-American.

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 24, 2020, 07:59:24 AM »
Maggie Haberman writes about the significance of Emily Murphy:

"Ms. Murphy’s designation of Mr. Biden as the apparent victor provides the incoming administration with federal funds and resources and clears the way for the president-elect’s advisers to coordinate with Trump administration officials.

"The decision from Ms. Murphy came after several additional senior Republican lawmakers, as well as leading figures from business and world affairs, denounced the delay in allowing the peaceful transfer of power to begin, a holdup that Mr. Biden and his top aides said was threatening national security and the ability of the incoming administration to effectively plan for combating the coronavirus pandemic.

"And it followed a key court decision in Pennsylvania, where the state’s Supreme Court on Monday ruled against the Trump campaign and the president’s Republican allies, stating that roughly 8,000 ballots with signature or date irregularities must be counted."

Wake up and smell the. coffee.

become aware of the realities of a situation, however unpleasant.
"keep an eye on your friends, who may be using you—wake up and smell the coffee!"

Also,  on the issue, another reading from the Times:    "Emily Murphy, a Trump appointee who runs the agency in charge of presidential transitions, formally designated Joe Biden as the election’s apparent winner. Murphy’s move provides Biden with federal funds for his transition and authorizes Biden’s aides to begin working with Trump administration officials.

"On Twitter, Trump signaled that he accepted the decision, but he did not concede. He also indicated that he would continue his legal efforts to overturn the election result, but they have shown no sign of success. (Election officials in Michigan and multiple Pennsylvania counties yesterday certified their election results.) In every substantive way, the Trump presidency is now coming to an end."

Your Turn / Re: Now that the 2020 Election is over....
« on: November 15, 2020, 12:37:46 PM »
When I started this thread I had hopes that we might pass from acrimony towards harmony both in the larger context and here on this venerable Forum.  Trump and his supporters will not concede.  Past Presidents have graciously congratulated their successors.   Trump, if he does not go on his own, might be escorted out by the Secret Service.    I do hope that the country will move on after Trump goes. I believe the the participants on the Forum are engaged in considerations of over-all good things and will move away from fear and hysteria.   I read with great interest how parish pastors continue to minister in the fact of great odds.    I do fear  that the misinformation and ugly comments which the 'Julios' perpetuate will continue. 

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