Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Norman Teigen

Pages: 1 ... 107 108 [109] 110 111 112
1621
Your Turn / Re: Reformation Day
« on: October 30, 2012, 10:18:49 AM »
My late father, a pastor and professor in the Evangelical Lutheran Synod, told me that Palm Sunday confirmation practices had nothing to do with ecclesiastical calendars.  The practice stemmed from the fact that farmers needed their sons to help out with the work without interruption.  Confirmation on Palm Sunday meant that the boys could head out into the fields and do the work which the agricultural system required.  Confirmation was an item on the check list of things to get done and out of the way.

1622
Your Turn / Re: Abortion and Politics
« on: October 30, 2012, 08:27:30 AM »
I would recommend that readers here would also check out the Comments to Friedman's piece.  Yesterday afternoon there were some 300 comments and the Times had closed comments.

No, I am not going to defend Tom Friedman.   He has made his points well enough.  There are three kinds of people in this world:  those that can think original thoughts; those that understand the thoughts of others; and those who can neither think original thoughts nor understand the thoughts of others. 

1623
Your Turn / Re: Abortion and Politics
« on: October 28, 2012, 09:42:33 AM »
I am pleased to recommend this piece by Thomas Friedman on what it means to be pro-life.   

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/why-i-am-pro-life.html?_r=0

1624
Your Turn / Re: Separation of Church and State
« on: October 18, 2012, 05:58:30 PM »
Good questions, Pastor Austin.  I will try to answer them after some additional thought. I hope that my answers will be worthy of consideration by the readers of this Forum.   I have already received some feedback on my post.  Some who are afraid to publicly speak and write because of LC-MS intimidation tactics have encouraged me to proceed. Others  wonder why I would consider any ideas from the DayStar organization.    I am from the little Norwegian Synod and unaware of the supposed danger of DayStar, a group which apparently is well known to Missouri Synod people.    Actually, I am interested in the ideas here, and not the institutions.

Norman Teigen

1625
Your Turn / Re: Abortion and Politics
« on: October 18, 2012, 11:09:46 AM »
Thank you, Charles Austin, for your dignified reply to the Ohio woman.  I could not have answered her any better.

Norman Teigen

1626
Your Turn / Re: Separation of Church and State
« on: October 18, 2012, 10:36:02 AM »
Amen and hallelujah.  The pushback is long overdue.   There are some of us in the little Norwegian Synod who have pushed and it is good to see that Missouri is following behind us.

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

1627
Your Turn / Re: Abortion and Politics
« on: October 18, 2012, 10:30:13 AM »
RE Matt Hummel.  Whore of Babylon.  That's a good one.  I looked up some of the images on the internet, 1498, Luther Bible illustration.  Whore of Babylon.  I always liked that one.

You write persuasively.  I hope that your employer pays you enough.

You argue persuasively about the matter, although I am aware that not all of my Catholic friends would agree with you.  Certainly Garry Wills does not.

There is another angle to this matter.   What is the theory of jurisprudence involved here?  You argue that the issue is settled by reason.  I am aware that settling matters by reason isn't the way things have been determined.  It was Holmes who said that experience, not logic is the language of the law.

The issue is not a simple one.  It involves history, law and a lot more.   

I see much of value in what you have written but I also want to work through the questions of American jurisprudence and the history of the Supreme Court.

Whore of Babylon.  That's a good one.   Those late-medieval people knew how to throw around the insults.

Norman Teigen
Hopkins MN

1628
Your Turn / Re: Abortion and Politics
« on: October 16, 2012, 01:47:26 PM »
Coach-Rev:  Thank you for word of correction.  I deserved that and I thank you for pointing out my excess.  I should have not done that and I will not do it again. MEA CULPA to all.


Norman Teigen

1629
Your Turn / Re: Abortion and Politics
« on: October 16, 2012, 09:34:35 AM »
Thank you, Pastor Kruse.

 I found an old clipping from the New York Times, June 27, 2004 "The Bishops and the Bible." 

The distinguished Mr. Wills wrote:  "The command not to kill is directed at the killing of persons, and the issue in abortion is this:   When does the fetus become a person?  The answer to that is not given by church teaching.  Even St. Thomas Aquinas, who thought that a soul was infused into the body, could only guess when that infusion took place (and he did not guess at 'fertilization').  St. Augustine confessed an agnosticism about the human status of the fetus.

"Natural reason must use natural tools to deal with this question - philosophy, neurobiology, psychology, medicine.  When is the fetus 'viable,' and viable as what?  Does personality come only with responsibility, with personal communication?  On none of these do the bishops have special expertise.  John Henry Newman said, 'The pope, who comes of Revelation, has no jurisdiction over Nature.'

"The evidence from natural sources of knowledge has been interpreted in various ways by people of good intentions and good information.  If natural law teachings were clear on the matter, a consensus would have been formed by those with natural reason.  The fact that the problem is unsettled by them does not mean that a theological authority can be resorted to. An invalid authority (theology) does not become valid faute mieux."

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

1630
Your Turn / Re: Abortion and Politics
« on: October 16, 2012, 06:35:35 AM »
I am recommending the following story to the readers of this thread.  I recognize that many will be outraged by the analysis presented because it runs counter to what many here consider to be the absolute, binding truth.  Well, folks, it ain't necessarily so.   

I realize that opening minds on this subject is nearly hopeless, but there is always hope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/opinion/paul-ryan-catholic-dissident.html?ref=opinion

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

1631
Your Turn / Re: Today's Well-Known Women Bible Teachers
« on: October 15, 2012, 12:14:52 PM »
I find that Marie Meyer makes a persuasive argument.

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

1632
Your Turn / Re: A Lutheran View of Government and Taxation
« on: October 15, 2012, 12:11:41 PM »
For those who foolishly equate the current American scene with that of Nazi Germany, I suggest the following read:

Claudia Koonz, The Nazi Conscience, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2003. 

This book is readily available for less than the suggested retail price.  I bought copy at Half Price Books in St. Louis Park MN.

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

1633
Your Turn / Re: Chilstrom makes a plea to Catholic Bishops
« on: October 15, 2012, 11:55:17 AM »
I stand with Charles Austin and Bishop Chilstrom.

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

1634
Your Turn / Re: General election/debates/politics thread
« on: October 12, 2012, 08:27:41 AM »
Whoops.  Advancing age at work.  Here is the link    http://mankatofreepress.com/local/x1200621724/VIDEO-In-depth-interview-with-Allen-Quist

1635
Your Turn / Re: General election/debates/politics thread
« on: October 12, 2012, 08:24:54 AM »
I have maintained as a member of an  Evangelical Lutheran Synod  congregation, that the adoption of certain statements and positions by the little synod has been motivated by political considerations.   One of the members of the ELS Doctrinal Committee, Allen Quist, sits on this respected committee.  The similarities between the candidate's program and the ELS are striking.  Some of us in the ELS believe that these synodical statements are  Quistian in nature..

Intelligent readers of this site might be interested in drawing their own conclusions.  See the Evangelical Lutheran Synod site and, for additional information, view the entire one hour video. 

By the way, I have considered Allen Quist to be a personal friend for more than sixty years.  I believe that he is a strong candidate.   I don't agree, personally, with his politics and I think that the little synod needs to back away from Quist to restore some lost credibility.   I have spoken with the President of the Evangelical Lutheran Synod, another old friend John Moldstad, and he acknowledges that there has been pushback on the subject.

I think that this subject might be of greater interest to the participants in this thread beyond a mere consideration of a small synod's activities.  The larger issue is how political matters have become involved as an expression of church teaching and practice.

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

Pages: 1 ... 107 108 [109] 110 111 112