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Your Turn / David W. Preus
« on: August 01, 2021, 08:36:57 AM »

Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Levity
« on: July 30, 2021, 07:25:15 AM »
A recent Festschrift recalled an old joke by my late father on the weather in Minnesota.   "Many are cold, but few are frozen."

Your Turn / Re: Guns, Government. and Gospel
« on: July 18, 2021, 06:05:09 AM »
I want to clear up a common misconception.  Teigen Hall on the campus of Bethany Lutheran College in Mankato MN is not named in honor of Norman Teigen, who currently resides in Hopkins MN.  Teigen Hall is named for Bjarne Teigen who faithfully served many years in the Evangelical Lutheran Synod.   

Your Turn / Guns, Government. and Gospel
« on: July 17, 2021, 05:13:11 AM »
The June 2021 Forum Letter arrived in my Hopkins MN mailbox yesterday.  I was drawn immediately to a compelling argument written by ELCA pastor Peter Jonas.  Pastor Jonas had written an open letter to oppose the enactment of a 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' in his county.  His argument is well-written and persuasive. The issue was to be resolved on June 14th.  I am happy to report that this resolution was defeated according to a news account in the Trempealeau County Times.  Whew!

Pastor Jones deserves some kind of reward for his logic and reasoning.  The editorial response to Pastor Jonas was tepid and unenlightened.   For further reading on 'Sanctuary' go to church.

Your Turn / Re: Chick-Fil-A at Valpo
« on: July 15, 2021, 10:38:31 AM »
Consider the topic to be Public Accommodation.  There is a lot to study here.

Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: July 15, 2021, 10:36:48 AM »
Your comments defy comprehension.

Your Turn / Re: Sermongate
« on: July 14, 2021, 10:20:33 AM »
A retired Baptist minister's letter was  published by the Times:  "When serving a church whose congregation included theological scholars, I wrestled with whether, or how, to identity the sources of my references without punctuating my sermons with verbal footnotes.  Seeking. the counsel of one of the scholars, I was told, 'Most people don't mind learning that their pastor has read a book.' "

Your Turn / Re: Sermongate
« on: July 07, 2021, 08:37:59 AM »

"What is certain is that the temptation to crib on Sunday mornings is not new. In his autobiography, Benjamin Franklin wrote of his admiration of a young Presbyterian preacher much respected for his preaching, which was apparently delivered extemporaneously. When a doctrinal dispute erupted in the congregation, however, an adversary recognized that a passage delivered by the preacher had been lifted from an uncredited source.

"Franklin stuck by the plagiarist. “I rather approved his giving us good sermons composed by others,” he wrote, “than bad ones of his own manufacture.”

Reading suggestion:   Clint Smith, "How the Word is Passed -  A Reckoning with the History of Slavery Across America,"  2021.

From today's NY Times:

"Let’s not mince words about these laws. They are speech codes. They seek to change public education by banning the expression of ideas. Even if this censorship is legal in the narrow context of public primary and secondary education, it is antithetical to educating students in the culture of American free expression.

"There will always be disagreement about any nation’s history. The United States is no exception. If history is to judge the United States as exceptional, it is because we welcome such contestation in our public spaces as part of our unfolding national ethos. It is a violation of this commonly shared vision of America as a nation of free, vigorous and open debate to resort to the apparatus of the government to shut it down."

Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Levity
« on: June 29, 2021, 11:38:13 AM »
Good one.  My wife bought me a t-shirt on a shopping trip to St. Paul.  "The Bible talks about St. Paul but doesn't mention Minneapolis."

Your Turn / Re: Self Defense
« on: June 29, 2021, 11:27:11 AM »
In the 1980s I was a member of a Missouri Synod church on the south side of Des Moines.  I was physically assaulted by the pastor of that congregation.  I didn't call the police.  I didn't resist. I transferred my membership to another Missouri Synod church on the north side of Des Moines.  When I asked the pastor of the north side church to take me in as a transfer, , he asked me why.  When I told him that I had been assaulted he said that non-resistance was the wise thing to do.  He said that he and other pastors in the Iowa-District West knew that this man was a problem and that he would take it up with the District President.

Your Turn / Re: Comments on Luther biography
« on: June 09, 2021, 02:25:22 PM »

Interesting lecture by Lyndal Roper on Lutheran visual propaganda. She discusses 'Living I was your plague...'

See also her lecture on the Peasant War.

Thank you Father Slusser, for bringing this scholar to our attention.

Your Turn / Re: Pentecost: Feast of Joy
« on: May 23, 2021, 02:22:30 PM » Bach's Cantata #34 for Pentecost.

See also. for an explanation of the cantata. 

The larger  concerns in this topic of conversation are:  What factors, institutional, cultural, theological have to be dealt with in making sense of this diversity of opinion?  What is meant by teaching?  What is Ordination?  How do larger social understandings fit in?  Is there one way of thinking about these things? Is knowledge on the topic  available and comprehensible to all or is it known only to the initiated?  [ Personal note:  I had never heard of Marva Dawn until her death.  On theological questions I have been told that I do not understand because I have had no formal theological education.]

Your Turn / Re: National Day of Prayer
« on: May 07, 2021, 10:51:32 AM »
The responses in this thread demonstrate the divisions that exist in this Forum and in the society at large.  I have been trying to understand this for some time.  Here is an idea:  "Belonging is Stronger Than Facts."   See today's NY Times.

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