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Messages - Harry Edmon

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Your Turn / Re: LCMS kerfuffle
« on: January 05, 2018, 08:53:53 AM »
I think you are misunderstanding the basis for President Harrison's comments.  It is not a matter of logic, it is a matter of hermaneutics.  If you interpret Genesis 1 and 2 that way what does it imply about your interpretation of the rest of Scripture.  The ultimate question is, what does Jesus think about Genesis 1 and 2? If He takes it as literal, how can we not?

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Your Turn / Re: Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary Lutheran Witness
« on: December 15, 2017, 12:22:08 PM »
On your comments about there not being a "St. Mary Lutheran Church" an alternative (and admittedly snarky) version would be "Our Lady of the Reformation Lutheran Church".   But people may think that refers to Martin Luther's wife instead of the Virgin Mary!

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Your Turn / Re: LCMS kerfuffle
« on: December 13, 2017, 12:25:11 PM »
Dr. Arand has another post on the concordiatheology blog on creation, the first of a series on the different views of creation in Evangelicalism and the need to articulate our Lutheran voice.

https://concordiatheology.org/2017/12/evangelical-creation-debates-travel-guide/

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Your Turn / Re: In Colorado, The Cake is in the Supreme Court oven
« on: December 11, 2017, 11:39:34 AM »
Note that the baker in this case did offer to sell them anything that was already in the store.   He only refused to make them a custom cake.

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Your Turn / Re: LCMS kerfuffle
« on: December 08, 2017, 12:31:04 PM »
Here are some reflections on the reactions to the article from the editor of the Concordia Journal:

https://concordiatheology.org/2017/12/reflections-on-reactions-to-the-summer-issue-of-concordia-journal/

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Your Turn / Re: Draft ELCA Social Statement on Women & Justice Released
« on: November 26, 2017, 04:23:12 PM »
I misrepresented what you said in exactly the same way that I find what I've said to be misrepresented.

Did you do so intentionally?  I have never intentionally misrepresented what you said.



Not intentionally, but sometimes from misunderstanding what you wrote (often because of reading it too quickly and/or after midnight.

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Have I any where indicated that our righteousness before God is anything other than the righteousness that God has given us?

I'm quite aware you said that.  I replied that it is only a given in a very narrow sense.  Specifically, I said it is a given only where the Holy Spirit gives the gift of faith through Word and Sacrament.  So I did not misrepresent your argument, but took it seriously.


I would not limit the Holy Spirit to the means of grace. The Spirit blows where it wills. We have the assurance that the Spirit works in Word and Sacrament, but we shouldn't limit the Spirit only to those means.

This seems to violate SA-III VIII 3-13 and FC Ep II 13.

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I don't think there's been any chirping about Matt Harrison on this board, Harry, when it comes to what's going on at Concordia Portland.  Having been involved in congregation, school and camp closings in the Atlantic District over a quarter century of time, what happens when difficult decisions get made is that the arrows are aimed at the leader even when there are all kinds of other issues and personalities in play.  Recognizing that is part of taking the leadership vocation, and I believe Matt understands that fully. 

Dave Benke
I agree with you about this forum and Matt Harrision on this topic.  For this forum I thought the interesting part was the quote from the communications department of Synod.  It gave some more background on how the whole topic got started.   I quoted the whole BJS article so everything was presented in context.

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From BJS (http://steadfastlutherans.org/2017/06/concordia-university-portland-news/) from Pastor Joshua Scheer:


A recent announcement by the Board of Regents of Concordia University Portland has drawn some attention.  Apparently there are discussions about the University becoming independent, separate from the LCMS.  Upon this announcement I found some folks on Facebook immediately take to accusation and suspicion that there is a power play at work and that Team Harrison is up to no good.  This is no surprise as the recent zombie-resurrection of Jesus First as “Congregations Matter” has signaled that many liberals in the Synod are not interested in truth or charitable interpretations of situations, but instead upon politically crafted attacks upon the Harrison administration.  Despite huge agreement in measures passed at the 2016 Convention, these folks want to be a vocal and radical minority hiding under a supposed concern for congregations.  No doubt the same old voices will raise the same old uncharitable interpretations of the Harrison administration.  They will also likely blast away at groups like the United List that simply lends its faithful record and approval to candidates for offices. The will of congregations was made known in 2016 as they through their delegations elected the folks we have now.  An attack upon the delegates decisions is not supporting congregations but is actively fighting against them.  We don’t have the United List running the LCMS but the folks duly elected by the Synod Convention (representing all the congregations of the Synod).  Don’t mistake “sour grapes” and class warfare (power politics) for actual concern here folks.

One of our writers here at Steadfast wrote about the strategic importance of these kind of potential changes in the Concordia University System last Fall.  Thank you to Mr. Tim Wood for his insight and vision to help open up some out of the box thinking with his post.  These laymen we have here at Steadfast are great guys, loving the true confession of the Faith in both their congregations and also their synod.  Thanks be to God for such gifts.

I asked the communications department of the LCMS for a statement and they graciously provided one to me (available to anyone that asks) and I print it below:

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COMMUNICATION AND RESPONSE TO RECENT STATEMENTS MADE BY CONCORDIA UNIVERSITY- PORTLAND
No decision, proposal or recommendation has been made by Concordia University System or by The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod regarding any significant changes at Concordia University – Portland.
Under Synod Bylaws, Concordia University System’s Board of Directors (CUS) would have to make a recommendation to the LCMS Board of Directors concerning certain types of major changes, such as a divestiture or sale, before any changes could occur. If such a recommendation were to be made by CUS, no action would be taken unless both the LCMS Board of Directors and one of either the Concordia University Portland (CUP) Board of Regents or the Council of Presidents voted to accept the recommendation.
The recent CUP Facebook posting and other communications sent out by CUP’s Board of Regents concerning possible changes in ownership and governance reflect the fact that CUS President, Rev. Dr. Dean Wenthe, and CUP President, Dr. Charles Schlimpert, recently met to discuss how they might work together to meet complex challenges that are facing campuses like CUP in this turbulent environment that currently characterizes university education. Rev. Dr. Wenthe invited Dr. Schlimpert to meet with him in St. Louis to discuss these challenges, particularly in the area of ongoing capitalization. They discussed a variety of ideas on how they might explore potential solutions that would benefit both CUP and the LCMS, but no definite proposals were made. However, CUS President Rev. Dr. Wenthe and CUS Board Chairman Dr. Gerhard Mundinger supported Dr. Schlimpert’s suggestion that he would be willing to postpone his retirement in light of the potentially significant changes that could occur with respect to CUP.

I think this is a good time to let the folks of Concordia Portland and the Concordia University System work this one out for the good of everyone involved.  It’s also time to stop interpreting everything in the most uncharitable way to the Harrison administration.  The 2016 Convention did some great things, including electing good folks who care about faithfulness throughout the Synod (that most certainly includes congregations!).


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Your Turn / Re: Any Trump supporters inclined to reconsider?
« on: November 10, 2016, 11:57:19 AM »
Interesting and informative article on the democratic nature of our electoral system:
http://www.taraross.com/2016/09/electoral-college-myth-3-the-electoral-college-is-undemocratic/
Note that states are free to choose their electors in whatever way that is authorized by that state legislature.   You do not have to have a "winner takes all" system in a state.   Maine and Nebraska choose some of their electors based on who wins the vote in each congregational district.   I think it is still the case that a state legislature could even choose the electors themselves with no popular vote by the people of that state.   However I seriously doubt any state legislature would choose to do so - they would be out of office so fast your head would spin.

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Yakimow does it again he found a Virginia Alum and completely distracted me from my work - I missed the resolution from the floor which has to do with pro-life issues. As with most pro-life issues in the LCMS it passes with 95% of the vote. I believe it created a task force to study life, cloning, fetal tissue research, etc. issues. Someone who was paying attention help me out. And someone else get Yakimow out of here...
According to the Convention Facebook page it was 3-04.

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2016 LCMS Convention / Re: Tuesday Afternoon Elections
« on: July 12, 2016, 07:15:16 PM »
Does anyone have any idea about the geographical diversity of the united list?  I know that some of the slots are geographical in nature and so don't matter, but I'm just wondering if the list shows any geographical bias beyond simply where Lutherans are thicker on the ground?
One thing I noticed, almost no one from the Northwest District.    No surprise there.

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2016 LCMS Convention / Re: Tuesday Afternoon Elections
« on: July 12, 2016, 07:13:47 PM »
Concordia St. Louis Regents - Ordained
Senkbeil (UL/I) 67
Knippa 33

Concordia- STL Regents - Lay #1 (Just switching up the way I am listing names here - to add some suspense.
Edmond (UL - floor nominee) 29, 42, 53
Hegland 24, 24.7, 47
Johnson (UL) 12, x, x
Schlueter 20, 22.4,x
Weingarth 13, x, x

United List and floor nominee wins the first slot

Concordia - STL Regents - Lay #2
Hegland
Johnson
Schlueter
Weingarth

And an upset -  Hagland with the win over the united list candidate.

That's my boy!   And it is still "Edmon"!   Since Paul has a Ph.D. in Astrophysics telescopes will now be issued to all students. :)

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P.S.  It is Paul Edmon (he is my son, so I should know).

Thank you for the correction - and please thank him for allowing his name to stand.

In my defense I just copied whatever the closed captioning folks put up on the screen!
No problem.  I think I might have one of the most misspelled 5 letter name around.   There is a city within 5 miles of me called "Edmonds, Washington", so for the most part it is a lost cause!

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Paul Edmund - Massachusetts, CSL Board of Regents. - 79% vote to add him

George Lowrey Jr., Texas, LCMS board of directors - 72% vote to add him

J. Brent McGuire, Texas, Texas Board of Regents - 80% vote to add him

Alan Taylor, Texas Board of Regents - 82% vote to add him

Joy Anderson, Concordia St. Paul - 76% vote to add her

And the rest of the folks give up. Nominations are closed.

Word of coffee leaked out and now Jim Butler, Scott Yakimow, and Mark Hoffman have joined me. Still room for more...

P.S.  It is Paul Edmon (he is my son, so I should know).

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Your Turn / Re: Collective Guilt After Orlando
« on: June 22, 2016, 05:55:59 PM »
Collective Guilt - Romans 3:23
Solution - Romans 3:24

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