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Your Turn / Re: Herbert Chilstrom: Gay acceptance and churches
« on: August 05, 2013, 12:54:35 PM »

Calling people names, like "fool," or "antinomianist" is murder and that is a sin against the fifth commandment.


This from the author of Sunday's "Gospel Notes...."

Also see: Matthew 23.

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Your Turn / Re: Membership Decline In The LCMS
« on: July 13, 2013, 08:26:54 PM »

Charles, didn't you tell me that I should travel to the Northwest and visit personally with Dr. Becker, telling him in person my concerns about his theology?  I'm pretty sure you did.  Wouldn't that same concern about the Eighth Commandment apply to your concerns with Dr. Nestingen?  (You know, the parts where you said he's stupid.)

I can understand the confusion.   Even though Dr. Becker is at Valpo, he is still a member of the Northwest District.  This is something that should not be allowed, but it is since he does not have a current assignment in the LCMS.   One of the problems with allowing this is that Dr. Becker until recently was serving as a vacancy pastor for a congregation in Indiana.   Thus you had a congregation in the Indiana District which was being served by a interim pastor who was not accountable to the Indiana DP.

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The quotes around "lay" help.  What you say is my understanding as well; that when a pastor is not performing the functions of his call, he is effectively acting as a layman.

And yet it could create scandal if an ordained LCMS "layman" wearing his collar received at an ELCA altar.  Even if he was clothed in a polo and khakis, it could create scandal if others know he is called and ordained as an LCMS pastor.

Scripture tells us that teachers will be held more accountable.  I am not saying that exceptional circumstances cannot exist for a pastor or that membership in a church body in fellowship should be the one and only criterion regarding admission for someone not under church discipline. But this may be part of being held more accountable.

But I do think that a known pastor communing at a heterodox altar needs to be taken more seriously than the average layman.  And, of course, even that layman should be counseled on why he is joining with a heterodox confession by communing.

Mike

Note that Article VI refers to "membership" in Synod.   Lay people are not "members" of Synod as defined by the Constitution.    Members are congregations, ministers of religion - ordained, and members of religion - commissioned.    So Article VI applies directly to LCMS clergy.

Resolution 4-09 points to the act of receiving communion as being a different level of participating in a service.   The sixth Whereas states "To take part in the Sacrament of the Altar is to confess the teaching of that altar (1 Co 10:18)". 

Finally, Article VI 2 starts off "Renunciation of unionism and syncretism of every description, such as:".   So is the list follows to be interpreted as the only ways,  or just a list of some of the ways one exercises "unionism and syncretism"?

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Your Turn / Re: Women's Ordination in the LCMS
« on: July 06, 2013, 04:53:09 PM »
That is interesting.   I thought the will of God was revealed in the Scriptures.

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Your Turn / Re: LCMS Presidential Election
« on: July 06, 2013, 12:57:39 PM »
I stand corrected.  Was it was different in the past?

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Your Turn / Re: LCMS Presidential Election
« on: July 06, 2013, 12:43:48 PM »
I believe a dual-parish is entitled to send a lay delegate from each congregation.

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Your Turn / Re: LCMS Presidential Election
« on: July 06, 2013, 12:33:11 PM »
The franchise was expanded.   Instead of the electors being the voting delegates to the Synodical Convention (2 per circuit, a circuit being 7-20 congregations) the electors this time were the voting delegates who attended last year's District Conventions (normally 2 per congregation).   The numbers for this election are actually smaller than they could have been since:

1. Not every congregation sent delegates to the District Convention and not every delegate attended.
2. Not every elector voted.


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Your Turn / Re: LCMS Presidential Election
« on: July 06, 2013, 12:20:26 PM »
Professor Rast has a posting with the results of the LCMS presidental elections since 1973 (http://lrast.blogspot.com/2013/07/lcms-presidential-elections.html?spref=fb).    Here are the numbers:

1973
1st ballot, JAO Preus 606, WIliam Kohn 340. 1,055 total votes.  57%

1977
2nd ballot, JAO Preus 596, Charles Mueller 330.  1,083 total votes.  55%

1981
4th ballot, Ralph Bohlmann 722, Charles Mueller 338.  1,110 total votes.  65%

1983
1st ballot, Ralph Bohlmann 844, Lloyd Behnken 95.  1,079 votes.  78%

1986
1st ballot, Ralph Bohlmann 576, Robert Sauer 447.  1,029 total votes. 56%

1989
1st ballot, Ralph Bohlmann 589, Robert Sauer 433.  1,124 total votes.  52%

1992
4th ballot, Alvin Barry 580, Ralph Bohlmann 568.  1,148 total votes.  50.5%

1995
1st ballot, Alvin Barry 754, Richard Kapfer 290.  1,162 total votes. 65%

1998
1st ballot, Alvin Barry 657, Glen O’Shoney 343.  1,161 total votes.  56%

2001
4th ballot, Gerald Kieschnick 600, Dean Wenthe 582.  1,182 total votes.  50.7%

2004
1st ballot, Gerald Kieschnick 653, Daniel Preus 391.  1,237 total votes.  53%

2007
1st ballot, Gerald Kieschnick 644, John Wohlrabe 514.  1,231 total votes.  52%

2010
1st ballot, Matthew Harrison 643, Gerald Kieschnick 527.  1,170 total votes.  55%

2013
1st ballot, Matthew Harrison 4,262, David Maier 1,906.  6,432 total votes.  66%
 

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Your Turn / Re: Women's Ordination in the LCMS
« on: July 06, 2013, 11:48:22 AM »
The soft tone of a pastor and theologian, not a politician or performer.    We are blessed to have a Synodical President who is the former, not the latter (except when it comes to the banjo).

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Your Turn / Re: Women's Ordination in the LCMS
« on: July 06, 2013, 10:15:08 AM »
Pastor Fienen writes:
Do you suppose that these are just arbitrary interpretations, that we interpret these things the way we do simply because we want to?
I comment:
Tell me you would really like to interpret the passages in ways that allow you to ordain women. That might change my mind on some things. 


President Harrison at the Northwest District Convention in 2012 had some comments relevant to this conversation.   See his answer to a question at 34:50 in this video of his Q&A session with the convention:

http://vimeo.com/44944195

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Your Turn / Re: Women's Ordination in the LCMS
« on: July 06, 2013, 10:00:58 AM »
Someone pointed out this essay to me from The Daystar Journal (Recent Articles).  Just wondering what you all think?




The sermon is almost all Law and little Gospel.  No thanks.

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Your Turn / Re: Tragedy and Parish Liturgical Life
« on: April 21, 2013, 05:48:33 PM »
Our pastor made reference to both the Boston and Texas tragedies in his sermon based on the second reading, Rev. 7:9-17.   This life is "the great tribulation".

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Your Turn / Re: And So It Begins: 2013 LCMS Politics
« on: April 11, 2013, 11:08:35 AM »
The three pastors listed are the three who had the highest number of nominations AND agreed to serve if elected.  There currently is no information about how many nominations others received.

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Your Turn / Re: And So It Begins: 2013 LCMS Politics
« on: April 10, 2013, 07:04:06 PM »
A note on the first VP slate - the President Elect will get to choose 5 names from this list.  That will be the slate that will go before the convention.

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Your Turn / Re: And So It Begins: 2013 LCMS Politics
« on: April 10, 2013, 05:40:00 PM »
The nominations are in for LCMS President, Vice-Presidents, and board members.    Here is the list of the three pastors who have agreed to serve if elected, and the number of nominating votes they received:

President:

    Matthew C. Harrison  - 1,111
    Herbert C. Mueller, Jr.  - 140
    David P. E. Maier  - 126

The rest can be found here:  http://www.lcms.org/convention/nominees

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