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Messages - Randy Bosch

#1
Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed! Alleluia!
#2
Your Turn / Re: Forum Identity
March 16, 2024, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on March 16, 2024, 08:40:02 AM
Quote from: Richard Johnson on March 16, 2024, 08:35:07 AMI should add that, even with the rule about anonymity, the moderators have always been willing to allow anonymity or pseudonymity if the person involved discussed it with us, explaining the reason, and we found it persuasive.

I agree with that logic.  I'd also suggest that those who choose to post anonymously should assume an extra measure of care when crafting posts that are dismissive of others.
A suggestion equally applicable to those who choose to post using their own names...

#3
Your Turn / Re: Christian Nationalism and the ELCA
February 22, 2024, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Randy Bosch on February 22, 2024, 10:55:03 AMI actually did read the articles from which the quotes were taken in their entirety prior to posting my initial offering.

Yet, you believed the comment that the ELCA supports Hamas??  That statement is contradicted by the first sentence in the article that the author used to support it.

Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 10:27:01 AMAt the least, I could have expected a reasoned support of your position, which your responses suggest are totally in line with the full ELCA documentation on the matter, which I will presume you have read.

I completed the six-week study related to civic life and faith.  Have you read all of the material?  Have you watched all of the videos?
Congratulations on your scholarship.  It would suggest that you are ready for the jump to your new church home in the ELCA.
#4
Your Turn / Re: Christian Nationalism and the ELCA
February 22, 2024, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: Randy Bosch on February 22, 2024, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: Randy Bosch on February 22, 2024, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 09:26:31 AMHardly an objective review.  The author reveals his own bias with the very first word.  It is obvious that he is writing to a group of people who already agree with him.  The article is hardly a compelling argument for those who do not.

Are you stating that the quotes in his article from ELCA documents are not correctly presented?  The author is former ELCA and a conservative, two strikes against him, so discouraging reading by attacking his very first word is a really compelling analysis...

Are you suggesting that the author correctly characterizes the ELCA position by citing quotes out of context.  I suspect most objective readers of that article would reach the same conclusion.

Correct characterization by citing out of context?  I suggest that is an oxymoron.  I suggest that people read the article and consider what it says rather than that the content be censored by your judgmentalism. 

Context would include the entire article from which quotes were taken.  And, the way that he uses the quotes is contrary to the broader message.  That is true regarding the Bishop's statement regarding the Hamas-Israel conflict.  That is true regarding the ELCA study regarding civic life and faith.  Bearing false witness does not make for an objective article.  Before you dismiss my comments as judmentalism, you could read the ELCA articles in their entirety and fact check the article that you shared for yourself.

I actually did read the articles from which the quotes were taken in their entirety prior to posting my initial offering.  I also read the linked article in its entirety prior to posting and did not offer any editorial comment about it, as is my custom.  At the least, I could have expected a reasoned support of your position, which your responses suggest are totally in line with the full ELCA documentation on the matter, which I will presume you have read. 
#5
Your Turn / Re: Christian Nationalism and the ELCA
February 22, 2024, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: Randy Bosch on February 22, 2024, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 09:26:31 AMHardly an objective review.  The author reveals his own bias with the very first word.  It is obvious that he is writing to a group of people who already agree with him.  The article is hardly a compelling argument for those who do not.

Are you stating that the quotes in his article from ELCA documents are not correctly presented?  The author is former ELCA and a conservative, two strikes against him, so discouraging reading by attacking his very first word is a really compelling analysis...

Are you suggesting that the author correctly characterizes the ELCA position by citing quotes out of context.  I suspect most objective readers of that article would reach the same conclusion.

Correct characterization by citing out of context?  I suggest that is an oxymoron.  I suggest that people read the article and consider what it says rather than that the content be censored by your judgmentalism. 
#6
Your Turn / Re: Christian Nationalism and the ELCA
February 22, 2024, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 22, 2024, 09:26:31 AMHardly an objective review.  The author reveals his own bias with the very first word.  It is obvious that he is writing to a group of people who already agree with him.  The article is hardly a compelling argument for those who do not.

Are you stating that the quotes in his article from ELCA documents are not correctly presented?  The author is former ELCA and a conservative, two strikes against him, so discouraging reading by attacking his very first word is a really compelling analysis...
#7
Your Turn / Christian Nationalism and the ELCA
February 22, 2024, 08:25:12 AM
What is "Christian Nationalism"?  This article dives into Rob Reiner's new film and specifically studies the ELCA position on what the church claims is such a dangerous thing:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/what-is-christian-nationalism.php

#8
Your Turn / Re: Global Refuge, formerly known as LIRS
January 17, 2024, 11:57:31 AM
Newcomers:
Refugees flee from oppression whatever the cause (climate disasters, disease, wars, crime, tyrants whether governmental or tribe or economic or adversarial neighbors, religious persecution, ethnic persecution, cultural persecution, and more...). 
Asylum Seekers flee from governmental, oligarchic, religious, ethnic, and cultural persecution).  Some have to flee oppression more than once, as presumed "safe havens" are sometimes as oppressive as their original homes or stops along the way toward safety.
Refugees include a component of Asylum seekers.

Immigrants include Refugees and Asylum seekers, yet most did not suffer "oppression" per se but move for better opportunities or to reunite families.

The needs, sometimes overlapping, of Newcomers vary extremely greatly - one size does not fit all.  And that is a truth that our institutional providers of aid to Newcomers very, very often overlook at all levels Internationally, Nationally, and Locally.  Hopefully, a particularly Lutheran essence of Grace and Mercy will continue to permeate the work of a renamed vehicle providing Hope to Newcomers. Blessings on their work!
#9
Your Turn / Re: Reconciled to God
December 28, 2023, 01:39:49 PM
There may be value for some in this discussion in the article "Paradox as Historically Understood and in post-Enlightenment Modern Revisionism", by a Tom Pearson, Associate Professor, History and Philosophy, University of Texas PanamericanJune 2. 009
#10
Your Turn / Re: Supply & Demand for LCMS Pastors
December 25, 2023, 03:44:20 PM
A Blessed Christmas to you and yours.
You conclude that all of the congregations identified as having a part-time pastor are in need of a full-time pastor.
For many, a part-time pastor may be all that they need.
#11
Your Turn / Re: Football
September 27, 2023, 01:12:33 PM
I have long determined that my team's true motto must be:
"Wait 'til Next Year".  TM
#12
Your Turn / Re: LCMS 2023 Convention
August 10, 2023, 09:11:29 AM
On his way back to Rome from his Portugal/Fatima Shrine journey, the Pope noted that there will be no female priests and no same-sex marriage in the Roman Catholic church because those actions are not Biblical.  Agrees with the LCMS confession, not the ELCA adventure.
#13
Your Turn / Re: LCMS 2023 Convention
July 17, 2023, 12:10:55 PM
For those fretting fitfully over the yet to occur LCMS Convention, a little advice by G. K. Chesterton from "Charles Dickens" via Alan Jacobs today:

"Do not sneer at the time when the creed of humanity was on its honeymoon; treat it with the dreadful reverence that is due to youth. For you, perhaps, a drearier philosophy has covered and eclipsed the earth. The fierce poet of the Middle Ages wrote, 'Abandon hope, all ye who enter here,' over the gates of the lower world. The emancipated poets of to-day have written it over the gates of this world. But if we are to understand the story which follows, we must erase that apocalyptic writing, if only for an hour. We must recreate the faith of our fathers, if only as an artistic atmosphere. If, then, you are a pessimist, in reading this story, forego for a little the pleasures of pessimism. Dream for one mad moment that the grass is green. Unlearn that sinister learning that you think so clear; deny that deadly knowledge that you think you know. Surrender the very flower of your culture; give up the very jewel of your pride; abandon hopelessness, all ye who enter here
#14
Your Turn / Re: LCMS 2023 Convention
July 17, 2023, 09:40:29 AM
Quote from: aletheist on July 17, 2023, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: Randy Bosch on July 17, 2023, 08:56:16 AMFor those fretting fitfully over the yet to occur LCMS Convention, a little advice by G. K. Chesterton from "Charles Dickens":
No secondary credit to Alan Jacobs for including this in today's newsletter?  ;)
Good Idea, added it, TY Aletheist!  (do you want tertiary credit citation as well?)
#15
Your Turn / Re: LCMS 2023 Convention
July 17, 2023, 08:56:16 AM
For those fretting fitfully over the yet to occur LCMS Convention, a little advice by G. K. Chesterton from "Charles Dickens" (*via Alan Jacobs):

"Do not sneer at the time when the creed of humanity was on its honeymoon; treat it with the dreadful reverence that is due to youth. For you, perhaps, a drearier philosophy has covered and eclipsed the earth. The fierce poet of the Middle Ages wrote, 'Abandon hope, all ye who enter here,' over the gates of the lower world. The emancipated poets of to-day have written it over the gates of this world. But if we are to understand the story which follows, we must erase that apocalyptic writing, if only for an hour. We must recreate the faith of our fathers, if only as an artistic atmosphere. If, then, you are a pessimist, in reading this story, forego for a little the pleasures of pessimism. Dream for one mad moment that the grass is green. Unlearn that sinister learning that you think so clear; deny that deadly knowledge that you think you know. Surrender the very flower of your culture; give up the very jewel of your pride; abandon hopelessness, all ye who enter here."

*Edited to give an "assist" to Alan Jacobs, TY Aletheist
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