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Your Turn / Re: United List…Here We Go
« on: August 26, 2022, 02:58:03 PM »
So, what will replace the perhaps mis-named United List when it ceases its work, to inform congregations including potential lay delegates of who may be of interest for Synod officeholding?  The Benke List, the Klinkenberg List, the Wyoming List, an uncountable horde of unaccountable lists?
Just wondering...

Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
« on: August 12, 2022, 12:38:49 PM »
Fortunately, you’re too partisan for jury duty.
But a true patriot would recognize that “their guy or gal” might do something wrong.

Actually, I'm an Independent.  I'm a partisan for rule of law including due process and presumption of innocence if and until proven guilty in a court of law.

I am, however, too old for jury duty, also.  So you're safe.
Oddly, every criminal case jury on which I served unanimously found the defendant Not Guilty, despite reams of evidence subpoenaed, even by warrant, by the prosecution.

I'm glad that you recognize, as a true patriot, that YOUR guy or gal might do something wrong. 
Thank you.

Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
« on: August 12, 2022, 12:11:17 PM »
I think it is generally understood that taking those boxes from the White House to his personal residence outside of office is already a criminal concern.

All of the recent ex-Presidents have been allowed to take documents to their personal residences outside of office to put together memoirs, establish Presidential libraries, complete outflow correspondence, et. al.  The residence in questions has a secure facility, a SCIF, assigned Federal archive employees, etc., to make certain that correct separation and handling of documents or other items (remember the Clintons taking gifts with them?), as well as return to archives.  This can take a while.  The existing bureaucracy employees those individuals, has already interfaced to return a separate 15 boxes to the archives, and continue the process.  Former President Obama also has gone/is in this process, with some major tussling about which documents he wants forever (or 50+years) withheld from the public eye even if not "Confidential" or "Secret".

Maybe there's some bad stuff in the "new" boxes, maybe not. 
It was not a "generally understood" "already criminal concern".

Fortunately, you're too old for jury duty...

Your Turn / Re: Not peace but a sword
« on: August 09, 2022, 02:46:09 PM »
Thanks for the insights, Brian - I have long felt it's a tough task to pit the words of our Lord against - the words of our Lord.  Or to use Isaiah 9:6 of the Incarnate Word - "Shar Shalom" Prince of Peace and give the Prince the sword.  At the same time, it's hard to argue that those two counterposed words from our Lord are not in the Bible, because they are.  Handle with care, "speaking the truth in love."

There's been a meme on Facebook that goes something like:

I would rather be excluded for who I've included,
than included because of who I've excluded.

That could be a way of describing the division that Jesus brings. He included those others excluded … so much so that some concluded that he could have come from God nor could he be speaking for God. He was crucified as a blasphemer.
For a group that prides itself on its dedication to Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity, the progressive Left assiduously cultivates America as an ideological monoculture with anyone dissenting from approved speech facing exclusion through deplatforming, intimidation, and harassment.

Such exclusion is by no means the exclusive practice of the progressive Left, the conservative Right has long practiced also. I do savor the irony of the progressive Left in the halls of academe and entertainment, having long protested against speech codes, censorship, and ideological witch hunts, turning around and creating their own culture of repression and exclusion.

Alan Jacobs: "Our society is so miserable right now because it combines judgementalism with an inability to offer or receive forgiveness, which essentially means that every error is infinitely punishable.  And it also means that in such an environment there can be no artistic freedom".  One wrong word and you're condemned irretrievably, and the definitions applied by the halls of power are always in flux.  Churches and theologians are in the sights of those who would judge.

Your Turn / Re: What to read to be a well-rounded pastor
« on: August 01, 2022, 01:13:46 PM »
I am not a pastor, but I do believe that those in a particular calling would be well served by reading outside the well-considered suggestions of those who are pastors.  Christian laypersons are informed by their backgrounds in reading secular works that are of benefit.  A few, in no particular order (the books stare at me from the shelves:

Rings of Saturn, W. G. Sebald
Skin in the Game, N.N. Taleb
Live Not By Lies, Rod Dreher
How to Think, Alan Jacobs
The Tartar Steppe, Dino Buzzati
The Opposing Shore, Julien Gracqq
The Plains, Gerald Murnane
On Grief and Reason - Essays, Joseph Brodsky
A Whack on the Side of the Head, Roger von Oech
The City in History, Lewis Mumford
On Totalitarianism, Hanna Arendt
absolutely anything by John McPhee

None of these are light entertainment, although there is nothing wrong with such.

Your Turn / Re: The culture war we should be fighting
« on: July 12, 2022, 12:42:52 PM »
...sometimes merely to avoid the graft and corruption among those with the might and power to grant permits and therefore with the power to cause interminable delays and expenses while awaiting the greasing of the proper palms. ...

I really don't want think that you intended to besmirch the reputations of the 99.99% of permitting agency employees - and volunteers, but this comes blazingly close.  You must have had a few very bad experiences?  Did you violate health and safety codes to avoid finding out if your public servants were corrupt, or did you grease palms, or did you give up on the alterations?

In a career of seeking permits and licenses for physical improvements or repairs to property, I encountered several corrupt public servants - none of whom continued to work for their agencies after investigations.  I encountered a few corrupt citizens who wanted to evade code compliance but failed, including more than one righteous church official...  None evaded complying with health and safety codes.

Found quite a number of vague, or obsolete, or ridiculous codes and standards, and worked to have them clarified, deleted, or amended - always with transparency and accountability for process and people.  It isn't easy or always successful, but good citizenship can be part of the cross you are asked to carry.

Your Turn / Re: The culture war we should be fighting
« on: July 09, 2022, 09:18:06 AM »
Where is there evidence people believed wealth was a zero sum game? When Gif told His people to work for the prosperity Babylon because then they would prosper, He was telling them to impoverish others, who would of necessity have to cease prospering? I think the idea that anyone ever believed wealth was a zero sum game probably post-dates Marxism.

Actually, application of the Theory of Limited Good has been found in many if not most cultures.  The anthropologist George Foster shared it after extensive studies in rural Mexican towns and in Pacific Coast Canadian indigenous cultures, as did Margaret Mead including her studies of the Trobriand Islanders.

Some cultural activities that arose from the belief that there was "only so much to go around" came from the strong desire to keep peace, to restore equilibrium.  For example, you sneeze, your companion says "Bless You" - the sneeze is a sign of a small loss of health and the blessing is a small sharing of someone elses fortune.  Similarly, the idea of the bridal dowry and the wedding banquet arose - the family of the bride is about to gain a son through marriage to a daughter, so part of the bride's family's worth is given in the dowry, and the banquet splurges to share with the community.

Those who lost a chunk of their worth were feared because they might covet the bounty of the rest of the community which had obviously benefitted at their expense.  Those who gained wealth would fund common good works to give back to the community and head off enviousness.

Nothing has changed in "modern" society"...

Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
« on: June 28, 2022, 12:50:07 PM »
The knowing untruths in the mainstream media and from the POTUS podium about the "restrictive" abortion laws in the US vs. Europe are uncovered in this simple graphic comparison:

There ate ARE often tensions between the Free Exercise, Establishment, and Free Speech Clauses which together form one sentence in the First Amendment. Must we resolve those tensions by always favoring one, the same clause, absolutely over the others?[size=78%] [/size]

In fact, the Court specifically pointed out that they are one sentence requiring the government not to intrude on the people's right regarding any of the three subjects of the sentence.  The First Amendment is not an al la carte menu where anyone can "chose one of the above, or maybe two - either/or".  The whole thing spells out those rights of the people, not to be infringed by any level of the government or by their minions.  The "Clauses" are not separable.  Makes for some serious thinking necessary in difficult cases, instead of a knee-jerk selection of one "right" to protect or violate as is unfortunately often seen.

Your Turn / Re: Calm
« on: June 24, 2022, 06:48:55 PM »
Calm? The presentations at district conventions that I have heard or read of have said, “The Synod is calm.” I think its calm politically because every pastor has their head down working away in a very difficult season. Could also be apathy. Thoughts?

It seems to me that the Synod is calm because Jerry Kieschnick was right: we agree on far more than we disagree on things.

I remember reading that the Synod's three biggest problems were "wine, women, and song". I  think the "song" have become "live and let live" as have women's roles in the church. That leaves the issue of communion admittance, which isn't a burning issue for most folks.

You wanted to be Synod president, is there anything you think everyone should be upset about? What do you think we should be fighting over?

I'm rather inclined to give a lot of credit to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for whatever calm is perceived, and for freeing pastors to preach the Word and administer the Sacraments in good order; oh, and don't forget God working in the laity to further His plan in the name of Christ. 

A recent (june) story in a probably unbiased local Bay Area paper:,_but_corruption_allegations_surface .

Racism and allegations of financial and byLaws/CA Non-Profit Law corruption.

Elsewhere, stories report that the damaged Latino/e/x congregation in the Valley has left the ELCA to become an independent Lutheran Church...

Your Turn / Re: Guns? Why?
« on: May 25, 2022, 12:23:49 PM »
The media continue to report more details about the young man who committed this atrocity:
1. Broken home;
2. Drug addicted mother;
3. Went from friends to no friends;
4. Moved in with grandmother to escape mother;
5. Abused animals;
6. Had an increasingly isolated and violent "social media" presence;
7. Passed some level of 'background check' which, per many/most? states excludes access to Juvenile records;
8. Crashed a car into a ditch while coming to the school hell-bent for mayhem;
9. Did not obey orders to not enter (School District touts its safety program for students and security personnel - nothing about ability to deter, good response to tsunami and earthquakes so not happening in Uvalde).  All good intentions in writing with no discernable effect.

Perhaps there should be some modicum of focus on overcoming the trauma of broken homes, addict parents, no peer caring and, apparently no spiritual guidance.
Another program need: Address the problems of glorifying violence including use of guns in movies and on-line "entertainment".

Please note that the writers, producers, and actors in these uber-violent 'entertainment features" are overwhelmingly progressive former liberals making millions from the swill they produce and glorify. 

A cynic might think that they actually are "gunning" for the perhaps inevitable violence in society that grows from their lucrative and celebrated enterprises.

...As recently as 1970, only 2% of marriages in Italy were civil ceremonies as opposed to church weddings. Today it is 53%.

Thank you for the post.  Not disagreeing with the conclusion and the miserable statistics, but just have the usual concern about comparables and assumed correlations.

We have on a number of occasions over the past two decades seen bridal couples emerge from the correct governmental office with marriage certificates stating that they were legally married on a day that the offices were open for business and then later (often by a day or two) have a church wedding, often on a Saturday or even Sunday.

I don't know if the civil law changed over time, or just the culture.

Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
« on: May 17, 2022, 10:01:06 AM »
I muse:
Unless, of course, it involves allowing the widespread sale of hyper-killing combat weapons, the rights of gay people to marry, or permitting a woman to make certain choices.

How about reducing and eliminating the widespread use (including sale) of hyper-killing abortion weapons,
and the troops deployed to use them?  Instead, you promote the slaughter of innocents and the destruction of surviving victim's lives (including the women and the failed use of your weapons)?

A slaughter approved by many governments and "liberal" "human rights" organizations, and with an increasing demand that all citizens fund this war, applaud its foot soldiers, and participate in the war even if conscientious objectors.

Oh, that's right, "We had to destroy the village in order to save it".

Altar and Pulpit Fellowship - Nothing to see here, mere adiaphora apparently.

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