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Your Turn / Re: LifeSiteNews and Project Veritas
« on: September 22, 2021, 02:49:47 PM »
So the pictures, that is the videos, of the guys on horses chasing people and flailing out them with some kind of strap were faked? The White House didn’t think so.

The photos, from various angles, show a rider on a horse with one hand on the pommel, one hand on the shirt of a running man, and the horse's reins flapping around.
I guess you have never ridden a saddled horse.

Of course, we must always take as Gospel truth what a press spokesperson from the White House says, at least since late January 2021.

Your Turn / Re: LifeSiteNews and Project Veritas
« on: September 22, 2021, 02:09:53 PM »

Does this mean that the fundamental significance of public policy is not located in the actual effect of those policies on persons, procedures and institutions, but in the intentions ("the primary reasons for doing it") of those who promulgate those public policies?  Weird.  One could easily discount a public policy forbidding slavery on those grounds.

Consider the crime of murder vs. death by collateral damage. People are killed. One's intentions ("the primary reason for doing it") are different. One is a crime, the other isn't.

I was unaware that "the crime of murder" was a public policy.  My bad.

Tom Pearson

"Quos deus vult perdere, dementat prius."

Your Turn / Re: LifeSiteNews and Project Veritas
« on: September 22, 2021, 10:47:06 AM »
...But let’s be consistent.  Why don’t we root out all the Roman Catholic  doctors who do perform abortions, make sure that they never receive communion anywhere?

You cherry pick Roman Catholic doctors rather than doctors of other faiths or no faith at all, who perform abortions.

Your friend, Pope Francis, has declared several times this year that Abortion Is Murder.  He also stated, about those who perform abortions, that it is “resorting to a contract killer to solve a problem.”

Your Turn / Re: TIME's 100 most influential people of 2021
« on: September 17, 2021, 11:59:45 AM »
With many of the influencers unknown to many/most/all of us on this forum, I bring to your attention Nicki Minaj.  Born in Trinidad, raised in Queens, she has the shared combination of Afro and Indo Caribbean heritage that represents the majority of my congregation.  She also has 156 to 180 million - that's million - Instagram followers. 

So when she put out the story about her cousin's friend in Trinidad having a certain type of bad response to the COVID vaccine, 175 million people got the news.  I've seen footage of the response by Trinidadian health officials and news broadcasters, from individuals of Afro, Indo and mixed heritage on those islands (Trinidad/Tobago).  It was very Island - stating in a definitive way the inaccuracy of the story, while doing so in a way that folks could understand.  At the same time, those interviews/broadcasts reached maybe a couple million people, not 175 million.

The question that it raises to me is what counts as influence?  And how influential is a story on social media?  In this specific circumstance, I'm serving a church where there is plenty of vaccine anxiety.  An island woman has, I think, plenty of influence among the couple million Caribbean folks in Brooklyn and Queens and among young people and young adults across the board.

I kind of understand how Rod Dreher's version of Benedict seems persuasive.  And there's no need to weigh in on every influencer's story and how off the mark it is, baying at the moon to the couple hundred people who have barely heard of Nicki Minaj in our little corners of the world. 

But if the Church is not weighing in with our Story, the Narrative of salvation, in an understandable and yes, influential, way, are we not once again deserting the public square?  Maybe I missed it, but I didn't find anyone on that list of 100 influential people who was a religious leader of any religion, much less Christianity.

Dave Benke
Agreed. A list of the 100 most influential Lutherans would consist of people nobody has ever heard of, and a list of the 100 most influential Lutherans who were actually in a Lutheran church last Sunday for worship would strain the definition of “influential” past the breaking point.

The most influential Christians on the list from my run-through are Dolly Parton and Allyson Felix.  Both are strong and direct in their Christian witness.  Here's an Olympics rundown, completely,  probably unintentionally, from a United States point of view:

When we go to the "Lutheran Celebrity" list, this one made me laugh, because pretty much you either have to be dead or old to get on the list, and most of it is "X is reported to be Lutheran," or "Y was raised in a Lutheran home."  Bach and Pachelbel are on there.  Thin gruel.  On the other hand, if our Trinidadian members were able to bring Nicki Minaj into the LCMS fold, wouldn't that be a thing?  Or Ri-ri (Rihanna), who's from Barbados.   Amazing catechesis classes would be in order.

Dave Benke

"Lutheran Celebrity" seems a borderline oxymoron.  Doesn't striving for celebrity or basking in being anointed with it seem to be out of alignment with the teaching of most Christians? 

Your Turn / Re: The Ethics of General Milley
« on: September 17, 2021, 11:55:18 AM »
If you’re referring to ... that church. ...The focus of the shame belonged elsewhere, and we know where that is....
Who wants to disagree, and why?

The focus of the shame referring to "that church" belonged on the people who set fire to that church.
Do you think that arson on a church is honorable, legal, ethical, insurrection?  Why or why not?

Your Turn / Re: TIME's 100 most influential people of 2021
« on: September 16, 2021, 08:47:34 PM »
Bad Bunny, Sunisa Lee, Liz Cheney and Stacey Abrams.  Lots of interesting combinations to ponder on that list.  Just please, get Tom Brady off that list. 

Dave Benke

As the new ALPB President, and a prominent New Yorker, you should certainly be on the list and a cover of your hometown iconic news magazine.  What happened?

Your Turn / Re: The Ethics of General Milley
« on: September 16, 2021, 09:36:21 AM »
Woodard has once again been incredibly successful via pre-publication text clipping PR in riling up everyone over something that may or may not have occurred, may or may not have been correctly "reported" by him or his co-author, may or may not have even been an exercise in theoretical command and control review.

And look at everyone who fell for it.  More money for Woodard!
General Milley might or might not have a cause for action against the authors, but he can't do anything about it.

ALPB should not be the home for rumor and innuedo.

Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: September 14, 2021, 12:00:15 PM »
Yes, indeed. The unvaccinated pose a whole host of difficulties and dangers to those who are vaccinated. I’ve been trying to say this for weeks. Having the unvaccinated getting sick and taking hospital rooms that might be needed for even more serious ailments is another way the dangers manifest themselves.

That may indeed be occuring in quite a number of cases.
There is another trend being identified, as outlined in a new The Atlantic article:

Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: September 12, 2021, 08:57:40 AM »
Encouraging news from the CDC on the Delta variant: .

Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: September 11, 2021, 11:06:08 AM »

An important, well-researched article in the Atlantic about the concept of "sterilizing immunity" being touted now by some:
"We're Asking the Impossible of Vaccines" . Remember, no one ever claimed that the vaccines would be 100% effective.
The body's immune system, created by God, is the key to preventing or overcoming most attempted infections. .

Your Turn / Re: Shameless
« on: September 06, 2021, 12:14:30 PM »
Randy Bosch, yes, abortion is sinful. And please note, I have said before that I choose not to have the discussion about abortion in this particular forum.

You are not obligated to comment in this discussion.

Your Turn / Re: Shameless
« on: September 06, 2021, 12:13:32 PM »
Did the pastor in question (PIQ?) violate the confessional seal, or the woman?
Or was there no "confessional seal" because he declared that there was no sin?
Did either or both celebrate and demonstrate to others the sinlessness of the act?

Your Turn / Re: Shameless
« on: September 06, 2021, 12:08:43 PM »
The scandal is also the ELCA's refusal to even address the scandal, much less holding her accountable.

The scandal is that the ELCA doesn't see it as a scandal, just as that pastor found no sin in a woman having an abortion.
One logical conclusion could be that she is protected and promoted to test the waters to identify if there is too much blowback to more openly embed her philosophy in the church at this time, or if it is safe to proceed with little PR damage or loss of support to mainstreaming what she espouses throughout the church.

Your Turn / Re: Shameless
« on: September 06, 2021, 11:56:19 AM »
No, it was the pastor who would not offer the woman absolution who had sought it.

No, it was the pastor who told the woman that abortion was not a sin and therefore she did not need to be absolved.
He did not offer the woman absolution.

Since you continue to place abortion in the sinless column, as a sad but necessary inconvenience, you need to be reminded that when the ‘...blood of 60 million innocent American children cries out for justice,’ pastors cannot speak quietly, reducing the murder of babies to a ‘culture of choice,’ Archibishop Cordileone.

Your Turn / Re: Atheist Chaplains
« on: September 02, 2021, 07:16:33 PM »

...You say progressives are eager baby-killers favoring abortion on demand under any condition....

No, actually that is what the progressive State of New York placed into law in 2019, now to be put forward to Congress by Nancy Pelosi to be the law of the land with no interpretations allowed by States:

You'll note that the law in New York and proposed by "progressives" in Congress includes denying any right to an expectant mother to interfere in the State's ownership of her unborn child.

No limits from inception until birth (so far), even if the mother wants to keep her fetus and protect her unborn child against State control. 

So much for a woman's "right to choose" -- about as moral as the words "Arbeit Macht Frei" over the gates of some infamous 20th Century camps in Central Europe, which apparently mimicked an original use in a different language and country at the Solovetsky Camps of Special Assignment further east.  I bet that those had "atheist chaplains", too.


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