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Messages - Norman Teigen

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Your Turn / Re: The Church's Response to Government and Governing
« on: January 19, 2021, 06:00:21 PM »
This morning when I hopped on to ALPB I saw Pastor Engebretson's comments re reconciliation and unity.  I posted the Lincoln info as a step towards healing and reconciliation.  If we can agree on some basics, then we might be able to move forward.  If we  can agree that the rioters and Trump based their words and actions on a lie, then the path towards healing, reconciliation, and unity can begin.  The lie about the election is the barrier.  The lie  denies what Lincoln said in 1838 and which I asserted is still relevant today.   Admit  the lie.

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Your Turn / Re: The Church's Response to Government and Governing
« on: January 19, 2021, 04:30:12 PM »
Just in from my afternoon hike.  It was 15 degrees with a 15 mph NW wind.  This was the first thing I read:    “ 'The mob was fed lies,' Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday in remarks on the Senate floor. 'They were provoked by the president and other powerful people.'

"President Trump, who has refused to concede his loss, repeated baseless allegations of widespread voter fraud for months and said the election was rigged. Numerous Republicans echoed the president’s claims."

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Your Turn / Re: The Church's Response to Government and Governing
« on: January 19, 2021, 11:37:50 AM »
Read on, Pastor Speckhard, read all of Lincoln on this subject.  In his summation, Abraham Lincoln said:  "Passion has helped us; but can do no more.  It will in future be our enemy.  Reason, cold, calculating, unimpassioned reason, must furnish all  the materials for our future support and defence.  Let those materials be moulded into general intelligence, sound morality and in particular a reverence for the constitution and laws..."   The problem is that the mob which entered the Capitol wanted to overthrow the due process of the laws of the land.  The mob action was based on a lie, that the election of Joe Biden was invalid.  I think that the repudiation of the lie would be a necessary first step which would then lead on to unity.

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Your Turn / Re: The Church's Response to Government and Governing
« on: January 19, 2021, 10:52:17 AM »
Another important read on the way to healing would be to study Abraham Lincoln's "Address to  The Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois" found in the Library of America Vol. I. Lincoln's Speeches and Writings.

"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger?   By what means shall we fortify against it?  Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!  All the names of Europe, Asia combined with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected?  I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us.  It cannot come from abroad.  If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.  As a nation of free men, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

The wisdom of Lincoln's remarks is valid today.  A cartoon in The Washington Post shows  US troops stationed inside the Capitol.  One soldier is on the phone and says:  "Well, Mom, here I am defending the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

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Your Turn / Re: The Church's Response to Government and Governing
« on: January 19, 2021, 09:13:35 AM »
Yes, Pastor, it is a time for healing.  I believe that American voters need to stop and think about  what has been going both in the recent past and in the distant past.   It is a matter of principles.   It is also a matter of determining how history operates.  It requires study and reflection.   On the day before the Inauguration,  I feel a deep sense of relief.  A good place to start is the Preamble to the Constitution.

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Your Turn / Re: Valpo mascot task force
« on: January 14, 2021, 06:39:33 AM »
This has been an interesting diversion. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1063118-how-the-top-50-college-football-programs-got-their-nicknames

One of my friends is a Texas A & M fan.  Here is the scoop on the Aggies.

Rumor has it that the Aggies have a pretty violent origin.

"...when Lawrence Sullivan Ross became President of the Agricultural and Mechanical College, it was under the threat of being shut down.  Lucky, Governor Ross would not have this and he went down to the Legislature and fought to keep his school open.  He got so angry that he punched a senator over the issue.  From then on, we have been known as the “Fighting Farmers” that later became the “Fighting Aggies.”

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Your Turn / Re: Civil unrest and Christian witness
« on: January 12, 2021, 03:55:34 AM »
See also what Christianity Today has to say about the effect of President Trump's attempts to nullify a valid election result.

https://www.christianitytoday.com

Humoring the President Was Not Harmless
As a little leaven works through a loaf, indulging deceit led to disaster at the Capitol last Wednesday.

Bonnie KristianJanuary 11, 2021

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Your Turn / Re: Civil unrest and Christian witness
« on: January 11, 2021, 04:24:02 PM »
The participation of Christian professing persons at Wednesday's Trump Insurrection is worth noting.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/evangelicals-catholics-jericho-march-capitol/617591/

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Your Turn / Re: LCMS Inc 2020 Report
« on: December 27, 2020, 05:28:09 AM »
This has been a most interesting discussion of the topic.  As an emigrant from the ELS,  I found the McPherson report to be of great personal interest.  Dr. McPherson's conclusion for the continuation of the denomination is stated at at the end of his report:  "Christian procreation and Christian evangelism, in fact, have a close relation, and not just because religious instruction begins in the home. More births lead to more baptisms, followed by more confirmations and more students enrolling at institutions such as Bethany Lutheran College, where they can prepare to serve their congregations in the work of evangelism."

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Your Turn / Re: Important announcement
« on: December 24, 2020, 01:17:08 PM »
It is hard for me to understand what has been said about the value of the anonymous posters.   We are dealing with angry minds here.  In any public forum there is the need to balance personal privacy, freedom of speech, and defamation.  There are legal means to deal with defamation  beyond  the ALPB Forum.  I think that the anonymous posters are angry people who are too embarrassed to identify themselves.   Exaggeration and suspiciousness are the marks of these persons.  Reasonable Christian people will be willing to acknowledge their sin, admit that it. was wrong, ask for forgiveness, and resolve not to do it again. 

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Your Turn / Re: Important announcement
« on: December 24, 2020, 11:03:15 AM »
Yes.  A nice surprise on Christmas Eve.

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Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 16, 2020, 05:37:39 PM »
Here is a challenging read on "Political.  sectarianism in America."    'A poisonous cocktail of othering, aversion, and moralization poses a threat to democracy.'  It's from Science Magazine.  I haven't read all of yet but intend to do so.


https://pcl.stanford.edu/research/2020/finkel-science-political.pdf

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Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 15, 2020, 04:48:14 PM »
My comments are about the GCC church in California identified by the headline "Who Is Caesar to the Church?"  And, yes, I did print and read the entire piece.  I think that it is a good thing to read about the subject from every view possible.  I, personally,  approach things when it comes to church and state from a distinctly Lutheran pew-sitter point of view.  My late father, a respected theologian, strongly advised me to become knowledgeable on the Lutheran teachings of the Two Kingdoms. Before his death in 2004 he predicted that the doctrine would become overlooked by the Lutheran Church and I think that his prediction is on the mark.   We Lutherans seek out the word and we confess that the Gospel is taught in the the church but also through the mutual conversation and consolation of the brethren.  The Word is the Word whether it be proclaimed by the pastor in the pulpit, read by the lay person at home, or spoken in conversation.  The dominant thing about this concept is the power of the Word, and not the association of the believers.   In this pandemic my Lutheran congregation does not gather in the sanctuary but we hear the Word electronically through streaming and You Tube.  We believe that it is wise to follow the advice of medical and political officials to avoid public gatherings. We want to be good citizens and not bring disease and COVID to ourselves and others.   We do so without demanding that the church is not being heard.  We do so without demanding that. our congregation has some kind of secular power which. the government overlooks.  We willingly submit to the counsel of our public leaders.   The power of. the Church is the power of the Word.      So, I see some interesting points for discussion in this article, and  I  urge continued study  on the subject.  Don't be afraid to seek out articles from the. Lutheran perspective, though.   A. good reading suggestion is the ELCA's message on "Government and Civic Engagement in the United States:  Discipleship in a Democracy."

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Your Turn / Re: Staying in Touch; Managing Christmas Services
« on: December 13, 2020, 04:15:10 PM »
My church, Normandale Lutheran Church, Edina MN has not held worship services in the sanctuary since March.  The services are on You Tube and I invite all to tune in. The services are very nicely done.  Wednesday Advent Vespers are at 7 pm.  Today,  Advent 3,  was the Children's Christmas Service.  I also watch the Duke University Chapel service on YouTube  after Normandale.  I feel  privileged to have had good preaching during the Covid-19 year. 

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Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 12, 2020, 08:10:41 AM »
This should be the last word.

155, ORIG.
             FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2020
               ORDER IN PENDING CASE
TEXAS V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of
complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.
Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

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