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Your Turn / Re: Forum Identity
March 17, 2024, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on March 17, 2024, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: John_Hannah on March 17, 2024, 03:04:45 PMNow what about those of us who do not accept any "Biblical patriarchy?"

Peace, JOHN

In that case, perhaps Kim will pray for you.  ;)

I'm happy to.  ;D
Your Turn / Re: Forum Identity
March 17, 2024, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: Weedon on March 17, 2024, 11:01:09 AMPete,

I sure do. And likewise, was so raised. Same for holding the door for them. Same for offering them a seat on transportation. As I said before, it's all practice for when they get the lifeboats and you stay on the Titanic.

Thank you, Pete and Will.  Part of why I am so heartbroken about the situation with Concordia Ann Arbor is the fate of the wonderful young men and women that I'm privileged to serve in the classroom.  I was extremely leery about moving to Michigan and working in Ann Arbor given my Buckeye roots, but the young people here are so extremely kind and polite.  The young men hold doors, and they even police each other's language in the hallways and classrooms if from time-to-time they slip up.  It is absolutely refreshing (and totally unexpected considering how I was raised to dislike everything about this state up north--of Ohio--for those of you who are not familiar with the rivalry).  :D  ;D

Your Turn / Re: Forum Identity
March 17, 2024, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on March 17, 2024, 10:29:44 AMYou know, Charles, you really should have a conversation with Buckeye Deaconess . . .

He wouldn't listen. The snark above continues to prove it.  ;D

I am so incredibly blessed and privileged to serve the church in the way God has called me to.  I wouldn't trade the opportunities that I've been given for the role that God simply hasn't given to women.

I find it interesting all this talk of women being offended by people who have differing views.  I'm currently teaching a course on business skills for faith-based organizational leaders to a pan-Lutheran group.  On a course evaluation at the conclusion of one module, it was noted that while they appreciated the content and my teaching, they didn't appreciate my opening prayers (or asking another to offer the opening prayer).  It was obviously the WELS pastors in the cohort that took offense.  Was I offended by their comment?  No. I understood that their confession is different than mine and that of my church body.  I didn't disengage from the class, I merely respected their wishes and didn't include a spoken prayer from that point on.

It's too bad it seems we have lost the ability in our present society to be civil towards one another even though we may disagree on a subject.
Your Turn / Re: Forum Identity
March 16, 2024, 07:28:25 AM
Quote from: David Garner on March 15, 2024, 10:42:21 AMBut I do not think anonymity is nearly the correlation with bad behavior as others seem to suggest it is.

Agreed.  I was working at a secular university when I first joined the forum and didn't want to turn up in a Google search for any comments I may have made about my church body's confession of faith (considering some tenets would not have aligned with the prevailing opinions and agendas in secular academia).  Except for that one time a pastor in my church body called my husband because he didn't think a woman should be posting on here (or didn't like what I said, I can't quite recall), I don't think I've caused much offense.  ;D
Your Turn / Re: Lutheranism in Canada
March 16, 2024, 07:18:31 AM
Quote from: passerby on March 15, 2024, 08:49:00 PMI am seeking a writer-scholar to write a chapter on Lutheranism in Canada for a book I am editing on world Lutheranism for Routledge. The chapter would cover the current state of Lutheran churches and denominations in Canada, as well as the relation of Lutheranism to Canadian culture and society. I would appreciate any tips and referrals regarding such candidates for this project. Many thanks.

John Hellwege recently spent several years in Edmonton as a seminary prof.

Charles St.-Onge is currently serving in Montreal.

Both have published scholarly work and are familiar with Canadian Lutheranism.

Having lived there recently myself, the culture has become quite hostile to conservative values.  The church we attended was even recently set ablaze by arsonists.
Your Turn / Re: Concordia - Ann Arbor and Wisconsin
February 19, 2024, 08:28:15 PM
Quote from: Jeremy_Loesch on February 19, 2024, 06:25:16 PMI was hoping to see Buckeye Deaconess there with an accountant's cap on and a white board doing some math to solve things, but she may have been occupied elsewhere.

I was there.  It has been a tough week. I don't have words for how devastated our students are. The data isn't really readily available, so I can't engage in any number crunching.  I continue to pray for positive outcomes for all involved.  Thankfully, it's ultimately God in control of the situation.
Your Turn / Re: A Frivolous Thread: Football (v. 2.0)
December 03, 2023, 06:41:19 PM
Quote from: Dave Likeness on December 03, 2023, 06:29:05 PMUpdate on the list of college sports fans:

Buckeye Deaconess.....Ohio State Buckeyes
Dave Likeness.........Iowa Hawkeyes
The Yak...............Michigan Wolverines
Daniel Gard...........Notre Dame Fighting Irish

Please use this thread to add your name to the list

We're a little flummoxed in our household tonight with OSU matched up against Missouri in the Cotton Bowl. The stand-out running back for Mizzou attended Lutheran High School South (LCMS) in St. Louis and graduated with our daughter (she was a cheerleader for all 4 years of his high school career, so we were at all the games watching him break high school records).  Our son also played on Lutheran South's football team, two years with Schrader on the team.  We've been cheering Cody on all year (his college career is a great story if you haven't heard it yet), so now it's going to be a tough watch.
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Classical College
December 02, 2023, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Dave Likeness on December 02, 2023, 06:31:52 PMThe merger of Concordia University Wisconsin and
Concordia University Ann Arbor happened in 2013.

Here are some results  to report 10 years later
in 2023:

60% growth in total enrollment at Ann Arbor

Concordia Ann Arbor is the fastest growing independent
institution in Michigan.

Ann Arbor has added 13 Graduate programs and 22
Undergraduate programs and 11 Athletic programs.

Exciting times, indeed!  We are so blessed to serve students who will go out and serve the world equipped with a Christian ethos at both CUW and CUAA. Though I have my doubts about that Yakimow guy in the Theology department given his college football allegiance.
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Classical College
October 28, 2023, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Daniel Lee Gard on October 28, 2023, 02:31:17 PMMay I express my perspective?

First, I wish the LCC well. I do remain skeptical of the sustainability of this project. It may indeed succeed but I would not gamble the education of my children on such a bet.

I was given a classical education at my LCA undergraduate institution (Carthage College) though I do not recall it ever being called "classical". I valued it then as I do today. With that said, it is critical to know that Carthage and all of our Concordias are fully accredited institutions granting recognized degrees. That matters. It matters to the Seminaries who, due to their own accreditation, can admit students only if they have an accredited undergraduate degree. Unless some slight of hand is developed to admit LCC graduates in spite of the lack of accreditation, the "pre-sem" students will have no where to go.

So, let's say that LCC graduates find their way into an LCMS seminary. They will face additional unintended barriers later. They will not qualify for chaplaincy (e.g. military, CPE, etc.) for lack of an accredited undergraduate degree. Graduate studies beyond seminary may be closed as well.Non-LCMS entities have no requirement to bend to pressure from LCC supporters as the LCMS seminaries will certainly face.

Other Church work vocations may or may not be open to LCC graduates. Only authorized institutions can certify workers for commissioning and then only for the programs specifically authorized by the Synod. Synod may choose to accept LCC graduates into commissioned offices. Or not.

One particular undergraduate program is authorized by Synod and found at only one institution: the Deaconess program at Concordia Chicago. Designed for second career women, both seminaries offer Masters programs for women who have an accredited undergraduate degree. Since then, the non-Chicago Concordias have created "pre-deaconess" programs to gain a share of the market by putting women on a 6-7 year program rather than the historic, tested and excellent undergraduate program at Chicago. A woman from LCC cannot, as things stand, be certified for deaconess service since they are not from Concordia Chicago.
And admission to our accredited seminaries will be hampered by the same non-accreditation obstacle as their pre-sem classmates.

I suppose that, while I respect and honor the good intentions of others with whom I disagree, the attraction of a school like LCC is largely a response to the collapse of the broader western culture. Two directions are before us. One is to confront and engage a dying world with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This direction mean having programs that prepare Christians to serve in medicine, law, government and other professions that require an educated workforce. LCC graduates will find it difficult to enter many secular vocations. So the second option is still available - an essential withdrawal from the world into Fortress Lutheranism.For myself, I cannot withdraw but will engage the world.But maybe that is just me.

The classical Western world offers no salvation to anyone. No human culture ever has or ever will be able to do so. The truth of Jesus is not tied to any culture of death, including the West. It transcends and destroys the power of human culture to condemn. I once would have maintained the superiority of western culture. But I recant of that as I see what western culture has now produced around is this deathly western world. Nor do I hold any hope of redemption of by or in any human culture.

There is only one culture that is worth anything at all and it is worth everything. It is a culture that did not manifest itself in the western classical world. It manifested itself in the culture of Moses and the prophets. It manifested itself in the Aramaic speaking Israel when the Son of God was born, lived, died and rose. The apostolic mission did not conform the Gospel to the wonders of the classical western world. Instead, that mission brought the culture of life into our culture of death.

I will continue to support our faithful educational missions to the Church and the world - our Concordia Universities. I will also continue to direct support to these schools.

"I have read in Plato and Cicero sayings that are wise and very beautiful; but I have never read in either of them: Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden." St. Augustine

I think this is very well stated.  I was going to bring up ATS accreditation standards a little earlier and decided against it.  They have very specific requirements for graduate programs (as do other accrediting bodies) that need to be considered during the admissions process.

From my position as an Accounting Professor and newly serving as Director of CUWAA's MBA and MSBA programs, businesses aren't hiring individuals without specific skill sets.  In addition to soft skills, they want technical skills to include the latest in software and data analytics tools.  You don't acquire those skills without instruction and experience.  We provide that in our School of Business throughout our programs, both in the classroom and through experiential learning opportunities such as internships.

Every prospective student and parent I meet with is looking for accredited programs that lead to jobs.  Many programs require certification, as well, which typically involves specific coursework that will adequately prepare students for exams necessary to receive such certification (CPAs, nursing and other allied health professions, teachers, etc.).

I wish this new school well, certainly, but accreditation can be a long and arduous process with no guarantees that it will be obtained.

Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Classical College
October 26, 2023, 07:19:29 PM
Quote from: Dave Benke on October 26, 2023, 09:42:38 AMMy guess is that a fair number of pre-sem students will go to Caspar, as will many future deaconesses, but most teachers and DCE's will continue to come from the traditional Concordias. 

I'm not sure why deaconesses wouldn't continue to choose Concordia-Chicago for deaconess training at the undergraduate level. The university is accredited, and the ladies are certified to serve as deaconesses in the LCMS upon successful completion of the program.
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Classical College
October 26, 2023, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: The Yak on October 26, 2023, 03:38:31 PM
Quote from: Dan Fienen on October 25, 2023, 03:39:53 PMAnd let's not forget what a marvelous job they did in bringing Concordia, Ann Arbor back from the brink.

And we're thriving now, thanks to what they did in 2013 (while I was still at CU-Portland).

CUAA continues to recognize record growth:)
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Classical College
October 26, 2023, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: Dan Fienen on October 25, 2023, 03:39:53 PMAnd let's not forget what a marvelous job they did in bringing Concordia, Ann Arbor back from the brink.

Let's not forget what other districts (and entities) contributed to the merger:

The Michigan District Church Extension Fund helped CUAA by forgiving more than $3 million in debt.
The English District began to show God's plan with their gift of $250,000.
The Michigan District assisted with $1.2 million.
The Indiana District helped the university with a gift of $500,000.
The Ohio District assisted with $750,000.
The Concordia University System, LCMS, also contributed $3 million.

(excerpted from this web site)
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Classical College
October 25, 2023, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: Dave Likeness on October 25, 2023, 11:00:30 AMThe real miracle in the LCMS is the story of
Concordia, Milwaukee and Concordia, Mequon.

They went from an 8 acre campus between 3lst and
33rd Street in Milwaukee to a 192 acre campus in
Mequon.  Concordia High School and Junior College
in Milwaukee was the Classical Lutheran Education
prototype to educate future pastors.  Concordia
University, Mequon is not an exclusive preparatory
place for the pastoral ministry. Hey, they have a
beautiful campus on the shores of Lake Michigan.

And a fabulous MBA program.  And a fabulous new Continuing Education program that equips professional church workers with business skills.  ;D  :D
Your Turn / Re: LCMS 2023 Convention
July 21, 2023, 08:05:50 AM
Quote from: Richard Johnson on July 21, 2023, 07:49:49 AM
Some years ago we were traveling and our luggage didn't make it. I had to wear jeans to church because it was all I had. My family got a big kick out of my angst.  ;D

Ha ha, i can see that.  I feel like I'm getting old and crotchety by holding the view that I do on church attire.
Your Turn / Re: LCMS 2023 Convention
July 20, 2023, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: Dave Benke on July 20, 2023, 07:32:52 PM
t's kind of weird, because as you would know, Kim, in the Black church women wear some really fine hats on purpose to church as per custom in their tradition.  It's pretty much from another era, but some of our long-term members love those head coverings.

Yes, indeed.  And I love that tradition.

QuoteAt the same time, making it mandatory - say through a CTCR study and subsequent resolution, would be a complete non-starter.

I cannot foresee this happening.

QuoteIn urban work, there are two sides to the decisions on clothes to be worn to church.  The first is that you should dress up for Jesus, look your best for this Hallelujah Sunday.  The second is that no one should be excluded from worship due to dress code.   Folks at a low economic level simply don't have that wardrobe.  We talk about it a lot, along with who gets to take what food home when after church.  Because these things matter in the communion of saints.

I struggle with the EXTREMELY casual nature in which many dress for church (jeans, t-shirts, etc.).  I had spent a year living in Canada, and it was pretty casual up there, even more so than what we see in the U.S.  I wouldn't have ever let my girls or son wear anything but dress clothes to church, and I simply could not wear jeans myself to church.  But I also know it's not my place to judge anyone who might choose that attire.  It's a blessing that they're even there, especially as we see so many of our churches declining.

QuoteSo if women want to wear head-coverings, it's got to be, as you say,  headcovering optional.  And those wearing head-coverings are not "better" than those who don't.

Exactly.  And given all the challenges in our world right now and the hostility being shown to the church and our beliefs, this is not an issue on any woman's radar that I know of.  However, if someone finds it important to cover, fabulous.
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