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Your Turn / Lutheran Time Capsule
« on: July 19, 2021, 11:22:53 AM »
In the process of tearing down the the building which first housed First Lutheran Church in Boston the construction company doing the demolition found a copper time capsule buried in the foundation of the building. Here are a couple of links to the story:

A bit of fun Lutheran history.

Your Turn / The Fracturing of Evangelicalism
« on: July 13, 2021, 07:19:26 PM »

Your Turn / Concordia, Chicago Cuts Programs
« on: December 24, 2020, 12:01:16 PM »
For information:

In all, 15 programs will be cut:

Five bachelor's degree programs in the College of Arts and Sciences:
Game Art,
Graphic Arts,
Theater (which will remain as a minor and extra-curricular activity),
Women's and Gender Studies, and
Emergency Medical Services.

Two programs in the College of Graduate Studies:
English as a Second Language (ESL) and
Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL)

Seven programs in the College of Business:
the Associate of Arts Degree;
Public Safety;
Management Information Systems;
Human Resources Certificate;
specializations in Not-for-Profit, Entrepreneurship and School Business Management;
Church, Not-for-Profit Management;
Business Communication.

I'm truly sorry to see the ESL major go.

Your Turn / LCMS Pastor Honored by Christianity Today Book Awards
« on: December 14, 2020, 08:05:10 PM »
For a second consecutive year Christianity Today has honored LCMS Pastor Harold Senkbeil in their Book of the Year Awards.

Last year, he was given the Book of the Year Award in Pastoral Leadership for his book The Care of Souls: Cultivating a Pastorís Heart.

This year, he was given an Award of Merit for his book Christ and Calamity: Grace and Gratitude in the Darkest Valley

I can't remember when a Lutheran pastor was given an award by CT, let alone in two consecutive years.

I read his Care of Souls. Tremendous book. Now I'll have to put his other book on my list. ($2.99 on Kindle right now.)

Your Turn / More Important Things
« on: September 24, 2020, 05:12:53 PM »
I've been away from this group for about two weeks. My mother-in-law passed away and we went home for the funeral in Kansas City. Spending time with my wife's family--and remembering our parents--I was reminded that there things that are much more important than politics and other things that divide us. Our common faith as confessed in the Creeds and our hope in the Resurrection are so very important.

I was reading Acts 15. The divisions there was, as Luke puts it, "no small debate." But, amazingly, they still remembered that they were "brothers." They were not enemies. Ultimately, they were on the same side. They were brothers. I think we need to remember that in our discussions as well. Yes, they may be heated, but we are brothers and sisters in Christ. We do need to heed Luther's words about the 8th Commandment in his Catechisms.

I'm probably going to lurk more and speak less. Because, honestly, I have parts of my life that are more important than discussion here.

On a brighter note, we went to a winery in Excelsior Springs, MO called "Four Horses and a Dog." The had a wine on the list called "Luther's Revenge" which, according to the description, would cause a Reformation. Come to find out that the owners are members of an ELCA church in a nearby town. The grapes for the wine are actually grown on their church's property and they use the wine for their communion services. My brother-in-law told them I am an LCMS pastor, they welcomed me with open arms. We had a great discussion about wine in general and the challenges of getting their winery started. If you are in the area, I commend them to you (along with Fence Stile and Van Till Wineries which are located nearby).

We live in troubled times with troubled hearts. I pray God's peace upon us and that His wisdom guide us. But let's not forget the More Important Things.

Your Turn / VP Pence Disinvited at Wisconsin Lutheran College
« on: August 27, 2020, 04:40:41 PM »
Wisconsin Lutheran College (which I believe is associated with the WELS) has disinvited VP Mike Pence from giving the commencement speech on August 29. A local pastor, Mark Jeske, will now speak instead.

Given the WELS fellowship principles, I'm surprised they would ask a non-WELS person to speak in the first place.

Your Turn / ELCA prays to "Mother God"
« on: May 01, 2020, 05:31:24 PM »
This was tweeted by the ELCA's official account on April 28:

Mother God, you have fed us with the nourishment of your spiritual food. Raise us up into salvation and rid us of our bitterness, so that we may share the sweetness of your holy word with all the world.

Your Turn / Blessed Lent
« on: February 25, 2020, 10:01:31 PM »
I'm foregoing my participation on this board for Lent.

The Lord give us all repentant hearts and a blessed lententide!

Your Turn / NBW and Masterpiece Bakeshop
« on: January 26, 2020, 02:57:41 PM »
Actual tweet from Nadia Bolz Weber:

My 12 step meeting is literally next door to Masterpiece Cake Shop (of anti-gay fame) so as an act of resistance I always choose to take up their best parking spaces. Itís the little thingsÖ

Does this strike anyone else as childish at best?

Bad enough a Lutheran pastor would act in such a passive-aggressive manner, but to tweet about it? Think this tells you everything you need to know about NDW.

H/T Twitchy:

Your Turn / Exegetical arguments in favor of Women's Ordination
« on: February 23, 2019, 12:21:58 PM »
Pastor Fienen writes:
If you feel called upon to correct His mistakes in those instructions in your church, that is your affair.
I comment:
And if you do not feel called upon to correct your mistakes in understanding those instructions or to listen to what God is saying to us today, that is your affair. (And a source of great sorrow for your women who hear Godís call to ordained service.)

I'm carrying is over from the LCMS numerical decline thread. Every now and then, this discussion comes up. Then people start talking about which church body is wrong and the mistakes each other is making and how sad life must be for LCMS women.

But what I don't see is any exegesis of the passages (although Brian has attempted some of 1 Cor. 14 and the whole head covering/women silent in worship thing).

So I'm going to ask Charles, Brian, etc. to walk us through a careful exegetical argument from 1 Timothy 2 and 3, working through Paul's admonition that women shouldn't teach or have authority and the qualification of overseers, among which that they are to be the husband of one wife. Start with the Greek and give us your exegesis.

I did ask some ELCA pastors for their exegetical arguments in favor of women's ordination some 25 years ago. As I talked with one female pastor, it seemed to me that she had no real exegetical argument and had never really considered any; her answer was more "Well why not?" and "What kind of misogynist are you?" It wasn't very fruitful.

One male pastor basically argued that Galatians 2 (no male or female) contradicted the Pastorals and that Galatians overthrew Timothy. Part of his argument was that Galatians is clearly Pauline and the Pastorals are clearly not Pauline, therefore Timothy and Titus shouldn't even be considered in the argument. I thought that was a rather weak argument because a) these letters are still canon and b) he never actually dealt with what they said. I'd like people to deal with what the text actually says.

Twenty years ago, I did my DMin at Gordon-Conwell Seminary, which is a hotbed of Evangelical Feminism (Rob Morris would know more than I!). I greatly enjoyed reading their arguments in favor of women's ordination and dialoguing with Bill and Aida Spencer, Catherine Clark Kroeger, and many of the women on campus. I also enjoyed reading articles published by Christians for Biblical Equality. While I came to disagree with their exegetical arguments, they do have them. I did spend a lot of time considering, thinking through, and responding to their arguments. (I also came to the conclusion that those in the LCMS who favor women's ordination would be more likely to  use the arguments of the Evangelical Feminists than the kinds I received from the ELCA pastors. I was right about that.)

So, here. We may no come to agreement--we probably won't. But I'd like to see your exegesis and clear, coherent argument in favor of women's ordination from the ELCA perspective. Who knows?The LCMS has changed its positions from time to time in its history. Could do it again.

 So share with us your exegetical arguments. I for one, would be quite interested.

Your Turn / Luther on Prager U
« on: December 25, 2018, 10:18:42 PM »
Prof. Stephen Cornils of Wartburg Theological Seminary has posted a video on Prager University on You Tube.

I'd never heard of him previously. Any thoughts from our ELCA participants about him? Here is a link to the video. Any thoughts?

Your Turn / LIRS Audit
« on: November 12, 2017, 01:36:14 PM »
I am no fan of Breitbart. However, a member forwarded this link to me and asked about it. I don't know anything about LIRS or its internal workings. Any comments?

Your Turn / The Pussy Pastor (sigh!)
« on: July 21, 2017, 05:30:35 PM »
A friend of mine sent me this link:

Seriously, how can the ELCA tolerate this stuff? I mean, she openly confesses hooking up with other college students; doesn't that alone make her unfit for ministry? Does she need to tell us her history with masturbation?

Is it just me?

2016 LCMS Convention / And So It Begins...
« on: May 31, 2016, 07:31:25 PM »
After several weeks of getting nothing but Christian News (sic) in my mailbox for the convention this summer, now it's starting. So far, I've gotten one book (Matt Harrison's Letters to Pastors, courtesy of Balance, Inc.), a 40 page letter from Scott Seidler, and the United List voting guide (Motto: "Refusing to tell anyone who we really are since 1992!"). According to a friend of mine, another book is on its way. If they want to bribe me, why not just send me money?!

What have other delegate received so far?

Your Turn / LCFS Illinois and gay adoption
« on: March 14, 2011, 06:15:32 PM »
Any comments to this story, esp. the statement by Matt Harrison's office?

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