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#1
Your Turn / Re: Women in Ministry
Yesterday at 11:30:11 AM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on Yesterday at 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: RF on Yesterday at 08:39:20 AMSerious question:

I've never understood how (macro) evolution could occur.  How likely is it that two critters would evolve simultaneously to a different species and find each other and mate in order to continue the evolved critter (species?) going forward? Sorry if that isn't clear.  Thanks. 

Glad you asked.  It's more about populations than individuals.  If a mutation becomes fixed in a species, the species changes.  For a good look of it in action, please see this link about these lizards that continue after their own kind, but are split geographically.  As time went on, they can mate with those further back the chain, but not with each other at the ends of the ring.  They will continue to grow further a
part over time. 

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/a-closer-look-at-a-classic-ring-species/

don't forget to click "next" when you're done with the page.  There's a decent amount of info, but it's all accessible and well explained. 

Thanks for answering my question.  I read the material at the link and all the "next" pages.  I'm not convinced that research answers my question adequately, although it is interesting.  Almost by the logic presented in the link, people with different color skin or eyes or hair, would be different species. And, the Downs Syndrome discussion (by some) sort of implies that the person with Downs isn't the same species as I am.  The research would have been more convincing if all the subjects were not salamanders, e.g. if it started with a salamander and ended up with an elephant, etc. Also interesting is after 75+ years of study, there are still more questions.  FWIW, I also have trouble with the "theory" of evolution - to me it's far more a "hypothesis" of evolution since at least so far it cannot be proven.  Thanks again for giving it a try.
#2
Your Turn / Re: Francis
Yesterday at 09:36:38 AM
Solid Declaration of the Formula of Concord XI

"[91] If anyone presents the teaching about God's gracious election in such a way that troubled Christians cannot get comfort out of it, but are pushed to despair; or if anyone teaches it so that the impenitent are confirmed in their sinfulness, then it is undoubtedly sure and true that such a doctrine is not taught according to God's Word and will. It is taught according to ‹human› reason and the instigation of the devil."
#3
Your Turn / Re: Women in Ministry
Yesterday at 08:39:20 AM
Serious question:

I've never understood how (macro) evolution could occur.  How likely is it that two critters would evolve simultaneously to a different species and find each other and mate in order to continue the evolved critter (species?) going forward? Sorry if that isn't clear.  Thanks.   
#4
Your Turn / Re: Women in Ministry
May 19, 2024, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on May 19, 2024, 12:12:48 PMWell in truth, until the roll is called up yonder, we do not yet have all truth, do we? We have some truth.
"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into ALL the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come."
‭‭John‬ ‭16‬:‭13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.16.13.ESV ('ALL' emphasis mine)


#5
Quote from: John_Hannah on May 18, 2024, 12:04:06 PMSuppression of immigration is population control at the national level.

Peace, JOHN

As is killing the unborn. Amazing how many don't believe that God is in charge.
#6
Your Turn / Re: "Plain" Reading of Scripture
May 18, 2024, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: Steven W Bohler on May 18, 2024, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on May 18, 2024, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: RF on May 18, 2024, 10:52:17 AMI am once again reminded of why not to wrestle with pigs. 🐷

Why did you choose to dehumanize?

Well, according to you, pigs ARE our "cousins".  :)

🤣🤣🤣

I enjoyed the bias in assuming that pig picture was me and not the other participants. 🤣🤣🤣

I also find it interesting that no one is choosing to comment on the linked article. E.g. who is better to emulate, Marx or Muntzer? 
#7
Your Turn / Re: "Plain" Reading of Scripture
May 18, 2024, 10:52:17 AM
I am once again reminded of why not to wrestle with pigs. 🐷
#8
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Satire Does It Again
May 18, 2024, 10:49:54 AM
I am once again reminded of why not to wrestle with pigs. 🐷
#9
Your Turn / Re: "Plain" Reading of Scripture
May 17, 2024, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on May 17, 2024, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: RF on May 17, 2024, 03:10:00 PMI wonder if those people who died on the Baltimore bridge when it collapsed had faith in engineering and construction "facts".
That's not a relevant comparison and should be withdrawn. 

Quote from: Rob Morris on May 17, 2024, 12:58:50 PMEveryone has faith, usually in their own minds and things that can be proven repeatedly using the scientific method. Sometimes even by hearing the Word and internalizing it. And, I think I'm living in the ALPB Matrix but I can't prove it.  I am just observing the behaviors. ;-)
You continue to equivocate terms and that makes communication difficult. 

Thanks for your opinion on the first quote above.  The second quote above is from me, not Pastor Morris. 

Edit to add:
By the way, did you have any comments about the 1517.org article that I excerpted from?  Lots of meat in it from my perspective.

And FWIW, I am quite well educated in science and engineering. But thanks anyway for the rainbow colors explanation. May the photons speed your way to provide light to the darkness.
#10
Your Turn / Re: "Plain" Reading of Scripture
May 17, 2024, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on May 17, 2024, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: RF on May 17, 2024, 01:12:01 PMWhich realm do you have faith in?  Right - faith in the Scriptures and the Word of God.  Left - faith in the myth of Genesis, paleontology, astronomy, geology, Darwinism. Or, are you a lukewarm centrist?  ;-) 

I don't think you meant this with malice, but it's muddy and unhelpful.
It muddies concepts of "faith."  I understand Evolution (Darwinism is not the right term) in the same way I understand a round Earth and Plate Tectonics. 

as an aside
The Rainbow Flag is a specific arrangment of colors.  The Rainbow itself and be represented a number of ways as it's a spectrum of light.  ROYGBIV is an arbitrary division of colors.  A true rainbow flag would have thousands of wavelengths represented. 

I wonder if those people who died on the Baltimore bridge when it collapsed had faith in engineering and construction "facts".

Everyone has faith, usually in their own minds and things that can be proven repeatedly using the scientific method. Sometimes even by hearing the Word and internalizing it. And, I think I'm living in the ALPB Matrix but I can't prove it.  I am just observing the behaviors. ;-)
#11
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Satire Does It Again
May 17, 2024, 02:10:04 PM
Self observation and self remembering are apparently not universal gifts.
#12
Your Turn / Re: "Plain" Reading of Scripture
May 17, 2024, 01:12:01 PM
Wooden literalists take heed.  Progressive peasants shape up.  Satan is at work to further divide us. Stick it to the "man" or stick to the clear Word of God, it's only right ... or has it left?  Which realm do you have faith in?  Right - faith in the Scriptures and the Word of God.  Left - faith in the myth of Genesis, paleontology, astronomy, geology, Darwinism. Or, are you a lukewarm centrist?  ;-) 

https://www.1517.org/articles/the-battle-of-frankenhausen-and-the-ruin-of-thomas-müntzer?utm_campaign=The%20Daily%20Goods&utm_medium=email&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9CCO0ohRJryPu56R4nLvphR7aXSmKleQRQ7ttLHxSCP_oVUugIIpeDodsji03nvDhUEDYGw1sFPNXlgW7v1LvrtdLaBg&_hsmi=296340648&utm_content=296340648&utm_source=hs_automation

A few excerpts from the 5 minute read:

"The Battle of Frankenhausen stands as a warning for what can happen when we abandon the Word God has given us and chase after some vision of our own imaginations."

"Imagine a crowd of thousands of people, all crying out in righteous indignation. For years, the oppressor class has trampled on them, denying them freedom and refusing to acknowledge their rights. Now, they march behind a flag bearing the colors of the rainbow, led by a radical ideologue who has lit a fire in their hearts. They are certain they stand at the apex of history, and justice will finally be done.
The scene I have just described does not belong to the twenty-first century but the sixteenth. The crowd is not protesting for LGBT+ rights but the rights of the peasant class: those assigned to serfdom by birth. Their leader is not an Ivy League professor or leftist politician, but the preacher Thomas Müntzer. The rainbow on their flag is not symbolic of the many varieties of sexual expression but of God's covenant with Noah."

"The Battle of Frankenhausen stands as a warning for what can happen when we abandon the Word God has given us and chase after some vision of our own imaginations. It is equally a warning that desperate people can be turned to desperate ends by those with an ideology to promote. The tragedy that day was the inevitable correction of a society grown tired of violence and radicalism. But it was also a correction against a theology that was ruining people's lives in the most literal sense."
#13
Your Turn / Re: Women in Ministry
May 15, 2024, 04:54:34 PM
Quote from: RDPreus on May 15, 2024, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on May 14, 2024, 04:10:49 PMPeter:
Only someone like you would take the plain meaning, point out other possible meanings, and then treat them as interchangeabLe.

Me:
Only someone like you? The dread ad hominem.
But good grief, Pastor Preus et Alia constantly howl like Wisconsin wolves that their "plain" reading must be the only one.


We have many more wolves in Minnesota than they do in Wisconsin.  I live on Gunflint Lake that borders Minnesota and Ontario.  Many Minnesota wolves are immigrants from Canada.  We see them frequently, especially in the wintertime.  I have seen them on the Gunflint Trail on the way to church on a Sunday morning.  The howling of a wolf is a beautiful thing.  It's so pure and clear.  Kind of like the Bible.  Like the plain natural meaning of the written Word of God that teaches us that God made the world in six days, made Adam from the dust of the ground and Eve from Adam's rib, and told us in no uncertain terms that He doesn't want women to be pastors.  :)

Thanks be to God for faithful pastors like you Rev Preus. It's a blessing to read your posts.
#14
Your Turn / Re: Women in Ministry
May 15, 2024, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: Rob Morris on May 15, 2024, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on May 15, 2024, 02:41:22 PMPastor Morris:
1. Diluted, yes. Lost, sometimes.
Me:
I really failed to see how the gospel is diluted. If I don't take Genesis has history. I'm taking Christ as the new Adam doesn't depend on that history either.
Pastor Morris:
3. I have no idea why you are asking this question, but there is no inherent reason why differences in details of the gospel accounts needed to undermine the history of each of those accounts. What I do observe is a surprising lack of imagination or effort on those who cannot see how easy the synthesis usually is.
Me:
Sigh. Of course it's a synthesis. That's the point. Because some of the information that goes into the synthesis, it's not actually true.

Pastor Morris:
4. Of course not. Though we should be very slow to decide that our forebears are dummies and that we, who have not had to face the tests of history, are correct.
Me:
Well, it took me some decades to decide that on some matters, our forefathers were indeed dummies. And it took me a lot of decades to come to the conclusion that they were dummies on more things than I had realized.



As I suspected, not genuine questions, simply a chance for continued dismissals. Unfortunate that you weren't honest about it when called on it, but so be it. I hope you have yourself a nice day.

Pastor Morris, you have your saint hat on as usual. I continue to pray for Charles. He certainly seems to need our prayers. I know that whatever his issues are they will be resolved in alignment with God's will and hopefully bring him a measure of comfort.
#15
Your Turn / Re: Israel
May 14, 2024, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on May 14, 2024, 04:18:00 PMPeter writes:
Why is that the demand, as though there has been no history since 1948?
I comment:
This gave me a good laugh in thinking about another forum arena.
Theologically, your guys speak as though there has been no history since 1580. 😺

Longer than 1580:

Heb 13
Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
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