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Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Architecture
« on: January 15, 2022, 10:07:58 AM »
...Communion is not different than Baptism in that way — certainly not just water, but the Word of God… The Word is central to both proclamation and the Sacraments.


In many purpose-built churches post-Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire and through 15th Century in Europe and Asia Minor, the Baptistry was a free-standing structure outside of the front doors of the church*, on axis with the altar to the east.
The locational purpose was to baptize before entry into the sanctuary.  Since then, the Baptism font locations range widely around the sanctuary.  Some histories say that the exterior Baptistry was to make clear that the un-Baptize were not allowed into the sanctuary or to approach the altar or the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

*Many examples, but recall the cathedrals in Florence, Milan, Burano/Venice, Ravenna, and many others just in Northern Italy), plus abundant in the former Eastern Roman Empire.

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Your Turn / Re: Political/cultural/religious division
« on: January 15, 2022, 08:01:19 AM »
The Truman Presidential Library is a well-designed exhibition, worth a visit.  The wing exhibiting the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the retreat from the conquest of North Korea when the Red Chinese Army invaded was apparently closed for cleaning while we were there...

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Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Architecture
« on: January 15, 2022, 07:56:50 AM »
Our sanctuary is oriented to the East,

The proper orientation, toward the rising sun and risen Son.  Everything physical inside relates to that.

Given the number of churches of various denominations we have visited where the Pastor's invocation of the Words of Institution included "the body of Christ broken for you", perhaps having the actual Word of God open on the altar is a good idea - either memories or teaching is faulty for some.  Large print edition might help some, as well...

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: January 10, 2022, 11:30:23 AM »
So, "One More Time: What Do You Want Us to Do About Covid that We Aren't Doing Already?
stop telling me how to feel and start telling me what you want us to do"...
This from an icon of the former "left" - a Marxist Atheist who sees that the Progressives have moved so far over that he is now almost a left-of-center liberal (!), Freddie deBoer.

He begins with recounting many of the "do something but not that" memes of recent history, which seem to always function around "feelings" and not "worthwhile actions":

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/one-more-time-what-do-you-want-us?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo1NzM3NzEwLCJwb3N0X2lkIjo0Njg1NzcyNiwiXyI6Imgxc1FxIiwiaWF0IjoxNjQxODMxODEyLCJleHAiOjE2NDE4MzU0MTIsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0yOTU5MzciLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.nTgTzivijGWjIXKXMmrCXN_NN4u-P-O7LK5RmxaZmfk

(I'm rather amused that I'm linking an article by deBoer, but even a broken clock is right twice a day - unless it was a day when DST came or went...).

Virtue signaling doesn't stop a pandemic, or even raise your cultural cred any more.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: January 08, 2022, 12:29:03 PM »
Are the schools closed where you are?   Dave Benke

No.  And...
The National School Boards Association:  1,384,000 public school students are homeless.
Where are those children receiving their "remote learning"? Shelters, the streets, fast food joints, rescue missions, libraries, parks?   Probably very, very few receive School Board approved "remote education", while very, very many of them are engaging in high-risk behavior including exposure to a disease with minimal (but very real) risk to them even if unvaccinated - which many, many of them may be found.  The risks to children eating lunch outside on public school grounds in very, very cold weather are high and not tolerable, but incomparable to the plight of homeless children.

Open the schools. Also, in many school districts, free lunch and even free breakfast are available to the students, and are often the only food those children get on weekdays.

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Your Turn / Re: What the heck is Jan. 1 anyway?
« on: January 03, 2022, 11:19:10 AM »
"Were I to choose an auspicious image for the new millenium (RB N.B.: even the new year), I would choose that one: the sudden agile leap of the poet-philosopher who raises himself above the weight of the world, showing that with all his gravity he has the secret of lightness, and that what many consider to be the vitality of the times - noisy, aggressive, revving and roaring - belongs to the realm of death, like a cemetery for rusty old cars." Italo Calvino.

The New Year, rededicated daily to Christ, is a continuous New Life because of His grace, mercy and salvation for us.
Rejoice and be glad in it!

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Your Turn / Re: Advent hymns and " in my heart" language.
« on: December 22, 2021, 11:47:14 AM »
Popped up in my morning readings:
"But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship. Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.”   So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.   Galatians 4:4-7

I think that there may be more than a few other references in Scripture to God's action with regard to our hearts.
Why do some confuse one physiological attribution of "hearts" with what God has done and continues to do?

(By the way, I've been to Heart Lake, Heart Mountain, and a few more... saw that those places were not human hearts, nor were they claimed by many to have had the name set by God - although he created them before humans named them - despite that several people there were children of God who had set His Spirit in their hearts)

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: December 04, 2021, 12:36:33 PM »
  I recently viewed the following podcast, and I found it thought provoking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uAwsVn10Y

     The interviewee, Peter Kingsnorth, posits that there exists a Hegelian struggle between a Thesis side (those in favor of mandates, lockdowns, and the like) and an Antithesis side (those against said measures), and that this struggle to find Synthesis has gone down the wrong path.  The struggle has become a faux battle of quoting duel experts, whose papers we really don't understand because most of us are not scientists.

    Instead, we need to examine our societal moral settings.  Here the podcast thought ends and my thoughts begin.

    There are two questions we need to ask ourselves.

1-Is there an ultimate good that must be pursued at all costs, or are there competing goods that need to be balanced against each other?

2-Is there an ultimate evil that must be avoided at all costs, or are there competing evils that must be balanced against each other?

    I originally had a third question, “Are there any mitigating factors?”, but that merely clarifies whether one is in the first part of the question, or the second part.

   Now, an accusation I hear both in the outside world as well as in this forum is the charge by the Thesis proponents that the Antithesis side does not take CoVid seriously.  I find this question problematic because “seriousness” seems to be defined as a binary condition (you are either serious or you are not) whereas I think that “seriousness” exists along a spectrum.  Of course, the fact that I see “seriousness” as a spectrum indicates that I am personally in the second half of the questions.

     Getting back to our settings, the most pro-Thesis side possible would answer the questions in this fashion.

1-The ultimate good is zero CoVid infection with zero CoVid spread.

2-The ultimate evil is CoVid infection.

     This particular formation has ramifications. Under this schema, death by any other means than CoVid is a preferable outcome to a non fatal CoVid infection. Going straight to Defcon 5, under these moral settings, it is morally defensible to automatically euthanize a non-vaccinated person who is hospitalized for CoVid. Now, I already hear the protests.  “That would never happen here! People would never go for that, and who would do the euthanizing?” To that I reply, there is an important distinction between not supporting genocide because it is wrong, and not supporting genocide because it is not practical. The former questions the moral settings, while the latter can change their mind if efficiency can be assured..

    So, what should our societal settings be?

Ray


I see the boldfaced comment slightly differently: it seems that the anti-folks don't take stopping the spread of the virus seriously. Vaccination has shown to be the most effective way of reducing the spread of the virus. Mask-wearing and social distancing also helps.

Kingsnorth is putting forth the condition of society, culture, and governance, today.  He discusses how we got here in the context of the vehicle of COVID and the responses to it, which he sees as having split society far more than the cultural wars or secular versus religious wars ever had done.  He is concerned about understanding how we moved from a modern, liberal, even progressive society to one where COVID had provided (or seen as many to have required) authoritarian controls which, perhaps even like the Patriot Act, have not been very well thought out (unexplored territory leads to expeditions like that), mutate to react to on-the-ground realities and political fictions (WMD anyone?), and then simply never go away.

Hearing what he said or reading what he wrote ( https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-moment-part-one ),
would help you get to the root of the discussion: what happened to liberal society and where is it going - with the COVID Wars having provided the opportunity to radically change society.  Ireland, Austria, and Australia are litmus tests for governance that even removes vaccinated, masked people off to detention; that has closed food establishments to even the vaccinated because science is now saying that being vaccinated is great and likely necessary, but probably doesn't stop you from infecting others - even the vaccinated. 

He is asking, "How do you want to live?".  Please listen to it or read it.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: December 04, 2021, 12:05:35 PM »
  I recently viewed the following podcast, and I found it thought provoking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uAwsVn10Y

     The interviewee, Peter Kingsnorth, posits that there exists a Hegelian struggle between a Thesis side (those in favor of mandates, lockdowns, and the like) and an Antithesis side (those against said measures), and that this struggle to find Synthesis has gone down the wrong path.  The struggle has become a faux battle of quoting duel experts, whose papers we really don't understand because most of us are not scientists.

    Instead, we need to examine our societal moral settings.  Here the podcast thought ends and my thoughts begin.

    There are two questions we need to ask ourselves.

1-Is there an ultimate good that must be pursued at all costs, or are there competing goods that need to be balanced against each other?

2-Is there an ultimate evil that must be avoided at all costs, or are there competing evils that must be balanced against each other?

    I originally had a third question, “Are there any mitigating factors?”, but that merely clarifies whether one is in the first part of the question, or the second part.

   Now, an accusation I hear both in the outside world as well as in this forum is the charge by the Thesis proponents that the Antithesis side does not take CoVid seriously.  I find this question problematic because “seriousness” seems to be defined as a binary condition (you are either serious or you are not) whereas I think that “seriousness” exists along a spectrum.  Of course, the fact that I see “seriousness” as a spectrum indicates that I am personally in the second half of the questions.

     Getting back to our settings, the most pro-Thesis side possible would answer the questions in this fashion.

1-The ultimate good is zero CoVid infection with zero CoVid spread.

2-The ultimate evil is CoVid infection.

     This particular formation has ramifications. Under this schema, death by any other means than CoVid is a preferable outcome to a non fatal CoVid infection. Going straight to Defcon 5, under these moral settings, it is morally defensible to automatically euthanize a non-vaccinated person who is hospitalized for CoVid. Now, I already hear the protests.  “That would never happen here! People would never go for that, and who would do the euthanizing?” To that I reply, there is an important distinction between not supporting genocide because it is wrong, and not supporting genocide because it is not practical. The former questions the moral settings, while the latter can change their mind if efficiency can be assured..

    So, what should our societal settings be?

Ray

Thanks, Ray.

An excellent and balanced viewpoint by Paul Kingsnorth (as is usual for him).  You don't need to agree with his personal response, but his analysis of how we so rapidly got to where we are, and are rapidly moving toward authoritarianism, is worthy of discussion.

He also wrote on his blog https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-moment-part-one , which isn't a straight transcript and not an interview format, but rather a more conscious rendition of what he sees.

"So, what should our social settings be?"... I think it starts with getting off societal battlelines and threats and actually discussing this apocalypse.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: November 30, 2021, 08:13:44 AM »
How many in the medical communities agree with Senator Paul (& Admiral Jackson)? It's likely a tiny number.

People who care about truth agree with Senator Paul, because he has revealed so many lies Fauci has told.

Maybe not many in the medical communities care about truth?

"Majority support of a position is no guarantee of its truth." (Common Axiom)

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Your Turn / Re: Islamophobia
« on: November 29, 2021, 12:47:10 PM »
Charles Austin, having swung and missed regarding the thread subject, employs the typical distraction of trying to divert discussion to his favorite often-whipped horse, the LCMS.
Do not fall into the pit.

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Your Turn / Re: Christian response to Rittenhouse trial
« on: November 21, 2021, 12:51:04 PM »
A publicly prominent ELCA member reacts to the Presiding Bishop's "Pastoral Letter":
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/11/get-woke-empty-the-pews.php

"...As we seek to restore justice; so also will we restore God to God’s rightful place at the center of our life together."
When did the ELCA remove God from His rightful place at the center of our life together?  Didn't see that coming.

This Sunday in particular of all the Sundays of the Church year allows us to read and understand Who is the Alpha and Omega, and it's not Queen Elizabeth or any elected official.

Dave Benke

...whether of the right hand or the left hand kingdom.

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Your Turn / Re: Christian response to Rittenhouse trial
« on: November 21, 2021, 08:59:07 AM »
A publicly prominent ELCA member reacts to the Presiding Bishop's "Pastoral Letter":
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/11/get-woke-empty-the-pews.php

"...As we seek to restore justice; so also will we restore God to God’s rightful place at the center of our life together."
When did the ELCA remove God from His rightful place at the center of our life together?  Didn't see that coming.

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Your Turn / Re: Christian response to Rittenhouse trial
« on: November 19, 2021, 12:31:17 PM »
So, was it treason, sedition, insurrection, or peaceful protest when a major political party and its putative leader conspired to design, pay for, distribute through compliant media, lie unendingly under oath about, et. al., the now disproven "Steele Dossier" and its collateral materials?  Elected and appointed people in power at the levels of Constitutional authority did that. Many continue to spread the lies as Gospel truth.  Few have been charged, most pensioned out.  A few may have died.
Yeh, yeh, thread drift...

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Your Turn / Re: Could we be seeing a return to one-earner families?
« on: November 16, 2021, 02:02:16 PM »
The website is very clear about who they are and where they got their data. If you don’t like it, fine. I just naďvely thought that maybe some data would be useful rather than casual, blue sky speculation that certain things are happening.

Thank you for contributing that data view to the discussion.  MagnifyMoney is a wholly owned product of LendingTree.com, with its website offering ways into using their financial services.  That isn't a "good or bad" critique, but starts to give a basis to understand their viewpoint.  There are many other financial services organizations that provide data and have their sole mission to draw business to their company and its products.

People engaging in discussion bring information and viewpoints from many sources, and would best consider that there will be interest in proofing validity of data as well as of products being promoted.
It is neither naive to add such to the discussion nor to ask questions about additions to the discussion, as everyone here knows you typically do.  Seeking further information is neither an attack nor an endorsement of other approaches.

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