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Your Turn / Re: Concordia - Ann Arbor and Wisconsin
April 14, 2024, 02:38:25 PM
Thanks for pointing that out Pr. Bohler. I did not read that in the first go around. Glad that some students will be able to graduate in their program.

Still smells awful fishy, like there is no collaboration between the two schools. If the program is successful, announcing its closure is a good way to kneecap the program and derail whatever momentum it may have.

Tell me you want to close CUAA without telling me you want to close CUAA. This move right here.

Your Turn / Re: Concordia - Ann Arbor and Wisconsin
April 14, 2024, 08:19:05 AM
Totally smells like BS!  The 2024-25 year was going to go on with no changes to academics and extra-curriculars...yet changes are being made.  I'm disappointed in how CUW is treating AA.  I'm a little surprised too.  Makes me wonder what is going on CUW that they would treat AA this way.  By cutting things at AA they can prop up CUW? 

Quote from: John Mundinger on April 06, 2024, 07:43:46 AMI'm not sure what this thread is supposed to accomplish. I think a better approach would be a conversation about the scholarship and the bias associated with the various English translations in current use.  But, few of us have the credentials to speak on that subject.

As is apparent, based on the contributions of those who understand Biblical Greek and Hebrew, that portions of the ancient texts do not easily translate to 21st Century English.  And, given that reality, a preference for a particular translation reflects what we want to hear rather than what God is trying to tell us.

Why should we care what you think?  It's not your thread.  Take your superiority to your own thread.  The one who started this thread wants to know what your favorite translation of the Bible is. 

Your Turn / Re: Forum Standards
April 05, 2024, 04:36:36 PM
It was a messy time for sure.

Your Turn / Re: Forum Standards
April 05, 2024, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on April 05, 2024, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: Dan Fienen on April 04, 2024, 04:29:00 PMI'm only three years younger than you so I certainly remember when we were in fellowship with the ALC. Between the time that fellowship was declared in 1969 and ended in 1981 there were changes in both the ALC and LCMS. In 1970 the ALC began ordaining women which ultimately was a deal breaker. So the ALC did change, a change that from the LCMS perspective was significant.

The LCMS also was changing. That was what the big Seminex explosion was all about. We were trending in the same direction as the ALC and the LCA were trending and then we reversed course. I remember my oldest brother (now comfortably a member of the ELCA, has been for decades) commenting after the 1969 Synodical Convention that the battle had been won (woman's suffrage approved, fellowship with the ALC approved) but the war had been lost (J. A. O. Preus elected as Synodical President).
True, we began ordaining women in 1970, which means, women were in our seminaries studying for the M.Div. degree in 1969. It means that we were discussing whether or not women could be ordained in 1969. A resolution at a national ALC convention doesn't appear out of nowhere, but has been discussed for months or years prior to being presented at the convention. While the ordination of the first woman was new in 1970, the process that led to that event was in the works in 1969. It seems to me that if women's ordination was a deal breaker, the process and discussions in place in 1969 would have prevented the fellowship then. In addition, if women's ordination was the deal breaker, why didn't the LCMS remove fellowship at their first convention following the ordination in 1970. Why did it take 11 years before removing fellowship?

Why did it take so long? Nothing happens fast in the church. And perhaps the LCMS was hoping that corrections could be made?

Your Turn / Re: White for Easter?
April 03, 2024, 04:27:28 PM
My grandfather was an LCMS pastor in the 1930s, serving until the 1980s in MO, SD, IA, and in MO again.  From the pictures I have seen he started by wearing just the Geneva gown.  And it appeared to be a Geneva gown as it looks like there are differences between that gown and a cassock.  Later he added the surplice and that became his standard when serving in church. 

My father was ordained in 1967 and was ordained wearing a cassock and surplice, then later moved to wearing an alb and stole at every service.  His wife (my mom) made him a white chasuble that he would wear at Christmas and during the Easter season, but it was the only chasuble he owned.  Chasubles just weren't his 'thing'.  When he retired I inherited the chasuble.  I think that when he is buried I may have him wear his white stole and chasuble.  Mom made it for him, and it would seem appropriate to return it to him.  He would look so good when Jesus rouses him from his nap on the Last Day. 

My practice has been to wear a cassock and surplice for non-communion services and to wear an alb and chasuble for communion services.  On Good Friday I wear just the cassock and a black stole.  And that practice is something I learned from my field work congregation in St. Louis. 

Your Turn / Re: A Fascinating Presentation
April 03, 2024, 11:49:37 AM
Thanks for sharing that link.  I was looking for it too.  It was interesting.  I think I understand- there just was a human being.  The portion of the movie "Big" was helpful in explaining. 

Your Turn / Re: White for Easter?
April 03, 2024, 11:10:24 AM
Our paraments are white with lots of gold.  My chasuble is white with a gold lining that is very visible. 

Quote from: Terry W Culler on April 03, 2024, 08:45:06 AMI think the book gives us helpful information about what happened in the years before Christ. I'm not aware, though, of any theological issues being contested.

Agree with you Terry.  I don't get around much, but what groups are talking about the Apocrypha? 

Is this about the current issue in Gaza? 

Your Turn / Re: Forum Standards
April 02, 2024, 09:41:47 PM
Thanks for those comments Rob. Good points to consider. David, I also appreciated what you shared.

My attempt when posting is to keep this phrase in mind (not always successful), "I might be wrong."

Your Turn / Re: Downtime for clergy after Easter
April 02, 2024, 08:16:50 PM
Beautiful services for the Triduum and Easter led to a several mile walk with the dog followed by a video chat with my parents and kids. Evening meal was spent with a retired pastor who is a member of the congregation. Some of his family was present. Ate at the Wellwood in Charlestown MD at the head of the Chesapeake. I had rockfish, squash creole, and a baked potato. For a drink I had Sagamore rye from Baltimore and a Big Oyster Solar Power (a wheat beer) from Lewes DE. So it was a very local meal.

The company and conversation was good. The retired pastor served in the ULCA, then the LCA, and finally in the ELCA. His wife was raised LCMS, and in their retirement have found a home in our congregation. They are elderly and  have the usual issues with being at their age.

In a lovely happenstance, this pastor was at an LCA congregation (soon to become ELCA) in Hagerstown MD when my father served Concordia, the LCMS congregation in town. And we lived just a few houses apart in the same neighborhood! So I find it nice that I can serve them as pastor as they deal with a few challenges.

The week is kind of quiet. Apr. 8 to 10 is SED church worker conference in Asheville NC, and I am riding with Gan Ainm's pastor and am really looking forward to that car trip and the days spent with other pastors. It should be nice relaxing time with good conversation.

Charles, I think you are attributing to Peter things that Sterling wrote. Perhaps an edit?

And to your last point...I don't really think Pres. Trump cares about conservative religion all that much.  Nor do I think that Pres. Trump cares all that much about progressive/liberal religion all that much.  He knows that the job of the president is to safeguard the free exercise of religion by the citizenry.  The constitution does not limit the citizens; it limits the government.  And I think if Pres. Biden wins the election, then Christian religion will continue to be harassed as it is now.

Quote from: MaddogLutheran on March 28, 2024, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: John Mundinger on March 28, 2024, 03:17:56 PMIt seems to me that the Gospel reading for this evening says something about how people who profess to be Christian ought to engage civic life.

I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

Jesus instruction in the Sermon on the Mount also is relevant:

"You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid. No one after lighting a lamp puts it under the bushel basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven."

We confess that the Church is the visible presence of Christ in the fallen world.  The Church is called to proclaim the Gospel.  The Church also is called to be an instrument in God's left hand.  It would, therefore, follow that, for people who profess to be Christian, the Law of Love ought to guide civic engagement and that our concern ought to be for the well being of the least of these.
Yawn.  You harping on the failure of others to obey your interpretation of them following Law is tedious.  Your ideas of civic engagement and concern for the least of these are not authoritative for the rest of us.  As we keep trying to tell you.  Even as you claim this is what the Gospel demands of us.  The Gospel demands nothing from us--that's the good news.  Because we cannot possibly perfectly obey the Law.  Yet that's all you want to talk about.  You continue to assert that citizens not supporting your socialist utopia means we're not loving our neighbor.  Untrue and unfair.  It doesn't matter that you try and include yourself amongst the rest of us sinners.  It's apparent you don't actually believe that.  You think you are better at loving your neighbor than the rest of us, because you support government redistribution of wealth.

I don't object to you highlighting this on Maundy Thursday.  I object to your accusation that the rest of us are failing to love our neighbor because we don't agree with you about how you think that should be accomplished.  Jesus command has nothing to do with the governmental policies a citizen is required to support.  Your attempt at a linkage is every bit as tawdry as Trump hawking a Bible.

Thank you for writing this Sterling. 

Mr. Mundinger, I think Sterling has presented a good reflection on why discussions tend to be circular and lead to frustration and non-understanding. 

Quote from: John Mundinger on March 28, 2024, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Jeremy_Loesch on March 28, 2024, 08:08:25 AMThere's a market for everything.  I hope that people who purchase a copy find what they are looking for. 


Liz Cheney suggested that Trump should actually read the Bible.

Everybody should.  Liz Cheney and the broken clock can both be correct twice a day.

There's a market for everything.  I hope that people who purchase a copy find what they are looking for. 

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