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Your Turn / Re: Pastor? Priest? Says who?
« on: February 08, 2015, 07:19:49 PM »
Thanks for the welcome back Pastor..., I have been anything but silent  ;)

God has blessed me with a very fine congregation in community which offers many opportunities to Proclaim the Good News. I have missed some of wisdom and humor shared on these pages. Figured I'd give it another try.

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Your Turn / Re: Pope Francis' performance review (from The Onion)
« on: February 07, 2015, 11:43:29 PM »
I needed this..thanks for sharing

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Your Turn / Re: Pastor? Priest? Says who?
« on: February 07, 2015, 11:39:21 PM »
I have read with keen interest this particular commentary. The vast majority of the discussion, when kept in check to the OP, involved the LCMS SMP program and its ordained pastors. I have known for over 15 years the Vicar to whom Bishop Benke reported on and is ministering in one of the toughest neighborhoods. By the grace of GOD, transformation is happening in and around that center of Christian ministry and outreach. What the bishop didn't state is that the Vicar has a JD. His love of the LORD is evident to all who he meets. Traditional/residential seminary was not an option for him. He has an undergraduate degree in theology from Fordham University, granted a RC University and taught by Jesuits. A Jesuit is doing God's work as the Bishop of Rome, so I guess that is a plus.
I too am an ordained pastor. I am an ELCA TEEM graduate (LTSP). Ordained just 3 years, I served as Pastoral Vicar of 2 congregations, which meant that I had exercised pastoral cure of the faithful. The Pastoral Vicarage was for about 5 years. Serving in congregations in communities of distressed socio-economic demographics and who could not financially support a full time pastor is my call. By God's grace the faithful regularly heard the Gospel proclaimed and received His Body and Blood. (From the Reserved Sacrament). I was authorized to be an extra-ordinary Minister of Baptism. The first Baptism was an adult Hindu man and about 5 infants.
I look forward to the day when Bishop Benke's Rockaway vicar is ordained to Word and Sacrament. ( I will be sitting in a pew, well, because...you know) We are not your "cookie cutter" pastors. But we are or will be Pastors in Christ's Church. We are flawed, sinful beings, in need of constant prayer and God's unmerited grace. We are called to serve God's children as His under-shepherds. We are your brothers (and sisters) in ministry.
pax
Bob+   

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No need to worry about future posts........no need to ignore either...........From the george harrison premier and prophetic album, "All things must pass".........sure to meet some of you in other forums.
May the LORD bless you and keep you, may each of you enjoy the abundance of His unmerited grace and His everlasting love and forgiveness. Those charged with the proclamation of His Word and the administration of His means of grace, do so in accord with Holy Scripture, the Creeds and the AC. May all who have been named and claimed in Holy Baptism, remember your vows and ask for the strength to lead a life pleasing to our Triune God. Be respectful in your conversations with one another and err on the side of best construction, even when others fail.
I have failed in much of the above and given into temptation far too often and must now avoid future temptations to engage in conversation that may give others a misguided understanding of how I view The Church and Her ministers.
Be in God's continued grace
pax
Bob+

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His journey in the ELCA has been quite unique.

I imagine that a TEEM pastor could be elected bishop without an M.Div.

Which I would also object to. The TEEM program needs some work, it offers a limited scope of the experience and formation that a full M.Div does (or at least should)

Well, it is highly doubtful, but if called I will serve in MNYS next year. I can assure the poster that my formation, experience was in no way limited., It sure was different from a 23 year old, that's for sure and I fully support and pray for their vocation and ministry.

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Your Turn / Re: Home to Rome?
« on: June 05, 2013, 07:09:04 PM »
Thanks, Padre Dave! I, for one, think that it's time to stop picking on Charles Austin. He is not the antichrist. (Some of you are supposed to believe it's the pope anyway.
Peace, JOHN

I know you John, I respect you and love you as a brother in Christ.........but you are in error.

Padre Dave it is always a blessing and an enlightenment to read your contributions. I have sinned and become like some others who regularly post, in spite of my best efforts not to react. Thanks for reminding me that there are those whose posting are edifying and therefore continued participation in this forum is a good thing.
Blessings
Bob+   who "somehow" "got my ordination"     <sigh>

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Bob writes:
"more peaceful after departures"....says a bishop.........yeah, nothing like respecting the bound conscious of others.......silencing those who have serious concerns for the ELCA..........what a load of.........
I comment:
Can't "respect" anything with regard to those people who left, can we, Bob? They're gone. Others are still here.
Bob responds, indeed, others are still here, just a million less then we started...how's that goin' Charles?

Bob writes:
However, that was evident to this participant at the MNYS Assembly this past weekend.......just some comments from lay people, "boring, too much slapping themselves on the back, I can't believe that the bishop completely ignored us yet spoke to the three others at the table, why were we there, I hate that song.............and those are best constructions............
nobody is coming back...just like nobody is coming either...very sad, but self inflicted
I comment:
Synod business is often boring, but necessary. And if people are miffed because the bishop didn't speak to them or they didn't like a hymn....Really?
Yes, their congregation hadn't been represented in a decade and were most excited and diligent in their preparations to participate......."dissed" is a kind work for how they felt, just demonstrates his lack of pastoral connectiveness, BUT,, you know how "inclusive and multi-racial were are here in MNYS

Nice to see you are so happy with your ordination, Bob; too bad you don't care for the church that ordains you and the church in which you serve. How's that workin' out?
I was ordained in the ELCA, which is a part (although decreasing so,) of the OHCAC. I NEVER sought ordination for its own sake, gosh darn it this is where the LORD called me, I am Lutheran by confession and choice. I serve The Church and a congregation who just called me, I pastored a congregation and it will now be the FIRST CCM parish in MNYS and the Diocese of NY.....so its goin' pretty darn well, thanks for askin
    But no sweat; you got your ordination; so nuts to the church that ordained you, right? (I guess there are a lot of ways to violate what is expected of ELCA clergy, some of them having nothing to do with sexuality.)  ::) ::) :(
Well Charles, you are now publicaly stating that I have violated my ordination vows! That's serious stuff Charles and I am now advising you that you will either retract that statement OR make a complaint to the ELCA and the MNYS......PUT UP OR SHUT UP

MODERATORS I fully expect that you will inform the Rev Charles Austin that he's public statements on this Forum, " Violate what is expected of ELCA clergy........." are not in keeping with the spirit of Forum, I don't mind back and forths, that's OK but to question a persons Ordination, the Divine Call........Shameful

   And I'm very glad to hear that Pastor Cottingham (in Nebraska for - what? - two or three years now) knows every Lutheran in every city, town, village, hamlet and barnyard in the state.  ::)

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"more peaceful after departures"....says a bishop.........yeah, nothing like respecting the bound conscious of others.......silencing those who have serious concerns for the ELCA..........what a load of.........
However, that was evident to this participant at the MNYS Assembly this past weekend.......just some comments from lay people, "boring, too much slapping themselves on the back, I can't believe that the bishop completely ignored us yet spoke to the three others at the table, why were we there, I hate that song.............and those are best constructions............
nobody is coming back...just like nobody is coming either...very sad, but self inflicted

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Your Turn / Re: Is the “pastor pipeline” drying up?
« on: June 04, 2013, 06:57:06 PM »
Simple math for a simpleton like me.........LCMS has 3K too many pastors..........too bad they can't "transfer
 to the RCC, where their gifts for ministry is greatly needed. One Church has "too many" while another has 'too few"....shameful...........
While the seminary model most are familiar may be drying up, new models are in place (SMP/TEEM/Distance Learning) each of which is usually the route for bi-vocational pastors anyway...so, maybe not a bad thing.

Pax
Bob

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Your Turn / Re: Home to Rome?
« on: June 04, 2013, 02:06:27 PM »
"Our" loss of Dr Root was the RCC gain........I wonder aloud does he still maintain his very valid and convincing argument?

I have held this same position for years.............

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Your Turn / Re: Easter Joy in the Old Country
« on: June 04, 2013, 11:36:36 AM »
Thank you indeed....I got chills........Christos Anesti.........

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Your Turn / Re: Athanasian Creed Liturgy for Holy Trinity Sunday-2012
« on: June 04, 2013, 11:24:28 AM »
Whatever you say, Bob, whatever you say. If you say Gallic was the language of your Irish forbears, that somehow French oozed into the Emerald Isle, you can say that.  ::)

Come on Chuckie, can't you cut me SOME slack.......it was auto spell-correct, I missed it. But there is something unique when we get together to sing Danny Boy in French :)

Bye

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Your Turn / Re: Home to Rome?
« on: June 04, 2013, 11:20:24 AM »
PASTOR Matt Staneck.............well done as usual, and if you still have a copy of your "no grand treatise", I'd love to read it.

Is this your first contribution to the Forum as a Presbyter ?

Pastor James Krauser, greatly appreciated your memorial presentation at the MNYS Assembly this past weekend. A catechism perhaps modeled on the German Lutherans Church offering is much needed. Well done as usual Jim, perhaps when our current MNYS Secretary is elected Bishop, you may once again consider becoming Secretary?

Pax
Bob+

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Your Turn / Re: Athanasian Creed Liturgy for Holy Trinity Sunday-2012
« on: June 02, 2013, 10:05:36 PM »
It was a mixture of both both French-Irish, not to be confused with the Black Irish, those of spanish heritage , as the auto correct spelling took hold.......glad to have made someone laugh perhaps......look at him he's so ill informed he doesn't know the difference.....sorry not the case despite evidence to the contrary.

DONE

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Your Turn / Re: Athanasian Creed Liturgy for Holy Trinity Sunday-2012
« on: June 01, 2013, 10:19:31 PM »
Charles, here is the thing, I serve The Church, not "this church". Your sense of entitlement predicated upon, I gather, your years (of age) and as a pastor, now retired is not valid. You seem most comfortable while you cite your years in journalism to make comments, corrections about the lack of grammatical skills of some posters, yet refuse to acknowledge that a dedicated study of the diaconate for over a decade can and does trump your admitted casual exposure to the working of the diaconate.
I never liked bullies Charles and you demonstrate the workings of a cyber-bully and when challenged go screaming "he doesn't respect me"........bullies are best meet face to face, but this cyber venue doesn't allow for that much need human touch in some situations.
So I will back off, not on the need for the Athanasian Creed to be preserved and read by Lutherans, but on this back and forth with you...again, it is not helpful to the thread and at times appears even to be juvenile.
don't be so sure I didn't hear the word 'presbyter" on my grandmothers knee Charles, one side of the family produced more then a few RC monsignors, sisters and religious brothers....you would be surprised what an Irish Catholic Family in Brooklyn back in the 50's spoke about.....with little ears always listening, learning, even some Gallic , although I do believe that putz was learned from our Jewish neighbors. What is that style of writing called...stream of consciousness ?

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