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Your Turn / Re: Valpo mascot task force
« on: January 14, 2021, 06:39:33 AM »
This has been an interesting diversion.

One of my friends is a Texas A & M fan.  Here is the scoop on the Aggies.

Rumor has it that the Aggies have a pretty violent origin.

"...when Lawrence Sullivan Ross became President of the Agricultural and Mechanical College, it was under the threat of being shut down.  Lucky, Governor Ross would not have this and he went down to the Legislature and fought to keep his school open.  He got so angry that he punched a senator over the issue.  From then on, we have been known as the “Fighting Farmers” that later became the “Fighting Aggies.”

Your Turn / Re: Civil unrest and Christian witness
« on: January 12, 2021, 03:55:34 AM »
See also what Christianity Today has to say about the effect of President Trump's attempts to nullify a valid election result.

Humoring the President Was Not Harmless
As a little leaven works through a loaf, indulging deceit led to disaster at the Capitol last Wednesday.

Bonnie KristianJanuary 11, 2021

Your Turn / Re: Civil unrest and Christian witness
« on: January 11, 2021, 04:24:02 PM »
The participation of Christian professing persons at Wednesday's Trump Insurrection is worth noting.

Your Turn / Re: LCMS Inc 2020 Report
« on: December 27, 2020, 05:28:09 AM »
This has been a most interesting discussion of the topic.  As an emigrant from the ELS,  I found the McPherson report to be of great personal interest.  Dr. McPherson's conclusion for the continuation of the denomination is stated at at the end of his report:  "Christian procreation and Christian evangelism, in fact, have a close relation, and not just because religious instruction begins in the home. More births lead to more baptisms, followed by more confirmations and more students enrolling at institutions such as Bethany Lutheran College, where they can prepare to serve their congregations in the work of evangelism."

Your Turn / Re: Important announcement
« on: December 24, 2020, 01:17:08 PM »
It is hard for me to understand what has been said about the value of the anonymous posters.   We are dealing with angry minds here.  In any public forum there is the need to balance personal privacy, freedom of speech, and defamation.  There are legal means to deal with defamation  beyond  the ALPB Forum.  I think that the anonymous posters are angry people who are too embarrassed to identify themselves.   Exaggeration and suspiciousness are the marks of these persons.  Reasonable Christian people will be willing to acknowledge their sin, admit that it. was wrong, ask for forgiveness, and resolve not to do it again. 

Your Turn / Re: Important announcement
« on: December 24, 2020, 11:03:15 AM »
Yes.  A nice surprise on Christmas Eve.

Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 16, 2020, 05:37:39 PM »
Here is a challenging read on "Political.  sectarianism in America."    'A poisonous cocktail of othering, aversion, and moralization poses a threat to democracy.'  It's from Science Magazine.  I haven't read all of yet but intend to do so.

Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 15, 2020, 04:48:14 PM »
My comments are about the GCC church in California identified by the headline "Who Is Caesar to the Church?"  And, yes, I did print and read the entire piece.  I think that it is a good thing to read about the subject from every view possible.  I, personally,  approach things when it comes to church and state from a distinctly Lutheran pew-sitter point of view.  My late father, a respected theologian, strongly advised me to become knowledgeable on the Lutheran teachings of the Two Kingdoms. Before his death in 2004 he predicted that the doctrine would become overlooked by the Lutheran Church and I think that his prediction is on the mark.   We Lutherans seek out the word and we confess that the Gospel is taught in the the church but also through the mutual conversation and consolation of the brethren.  The Word is the Word whether it be proclaimed by the pastor in the pulpit, read by the lay person at home, or spoken in conversation.  The dominant thing about this concept is the power of the Word, and not the association of the believers.   In this pandemic my Lutheran congregation does not gather in the sanctuary but we hear the Word electronically through streaming and You Tube.  We believe that it is wise to follow the advice of medical and political officials to avoid public gatherings. We want to be good citizens and not bring disease and COVID to ourselves and others.   We do so without demanding that the church is not being heard.  We do so without demanding that. our congregation has some kind of secular power which. the government overlooks.  We willingly submit to the counsel of our public leaders.   The power of. the Church is the power of the Word.      So, I see some interesting points for discussion in this article, and  I  urge continued study  on the subject.  Don't be afraid to seek out articles from the. Lutheran perspective, though.   A. good reading suggestion is the ELCA's message on "Government and Civic Engagement in the United States:  Discipleship in a Democracy."

Your Turn / Re: Staying in Touch; Managing Christmas Services
« on: December 13, 2020, 04:15:10 PM »
My church, Normandale Lutheran Church, Edina MN has not held worship services in the sanctuary since March.  The services are on You Tube and I invite all to tune in. The services are very nicely done.  Wednesday Advent Vespers are at 7 pm.  Today,  Advent 3,  was the Children's Christmas Service.  I also watch the Duke University Chapel service on YouTube  after Normandale.  I feel  privileged to have had good preaching during the Covid-19 year. 

Your Turn / Re: Not about the election...
« on: December 12, 2020, 08:10:41 AM »
This should be the last word.

155, ORIG.
             FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2020
               ORDER IN PENDING CASE
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of
complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.
Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

Your Turn / Re: Life in Quarantine: One man's reflections
« on: December 10, 2020, 10:57:37 AM »
Nicely done, Pastor Austin.  We missed it but got it on the rebound.

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 06:37:05 PM »
Yes. It was a fabrication.  There was nothing about the Clinton candidacy or the fact that Donald Trump won the 2016 election in the article.  No one questions that Donald Trump won the  2016 election.  It was a Randy Bosch fabrication to say that I had misread the article. 

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 04:42:36 PM »
"Clinton" nowhere appears in the Jochen Bittner piece about Dolchstossegende.  You have fabricated the reference. 

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 12:09:03 PM »
I tried to inject some humor into the discussion with the Elvis joke.  Seriously, the issue of denial is serious and there is a lesson from history to consider.  Jochen Bittner wrote in the Times about 1918 Germany and the alarmism from the term "Dolchstosslegende" or stab-in-the-back.  "It's core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I.  Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but now warranted.  It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation--a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation."  Nobody is saying that President Trump is like Hitler "but the Dolchstosslegende provides a warning. " It's laughable that Trump makes his claims but it is no joke.    "Instead the campaign i.e. the Trump claims, should be seen as what it is:  an attempt to elevate 'They stole it' to the level of legend, perhaps seeding for the future social polarization and division on a scale America has never seen."

Your Turn / Re: Recent Surpreme Court Decision Concerning Churches
« on: December 01, 2020, 09:31:10 AM »
Do you believe that Elvis is dead?

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