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Your Turn / Re: Marva Dawn +
« on: May 11, 2021, 10:22:30 AM »
There is someone that comes to mind who taught at one of our seminaries who didn't serve as a pastor, but I would credit his bad-a@# military experience as practitioner experience that provided him with the credentials to teach in his field of expertise.

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Your Turn / Re: Marva Dawn +
« on: May 11, 2021, 10:10:06 AM »
The idea being that, as Deaconess Schave has said, it is best to have future pastors learn from those who have actually held the office -- the practical, rather than merely theoretical, knowledge of what their students would be doing/facing.

Yes, agreed.  I can't think off the top of my head of any academic field that would not place a high value (and even have as a requirement) experience as a practitioner in the area of study for someone desiring to teach.  Theoretical knowledge is important to impart on students, but practical knowledge from real world experience involving application of theory is vital to the learning and future success of those studying for a specific vocation.

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Your Turn / Re: Marva Dawn
« on: May 10, 2021, 08:51:48 PM »
To me, that's what's perplexing. 

I find it as simple as recognizing that the most qualified individuals in a profession should have the responsibility for teaching and forming those training for a particular vocation.  The most qualified professionals for forming future pastors in the LCMS would be those with actual pastoral experience . . . thus, LCMS pastors.  I wouldn't be qualified to teach accounting or business classes (or deaconess classes, for that matter) as I do if I didn't have actual real-world experience serving in these professions.  I doubt we'd see doctors and surgeons teaching at the highest level of academia if they didn't have actual real-world medical experience.  Why would we want anything less for future pastors?

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Your Turn / Re: Marva Dawn
« on: May 10, 2021, 03:49:28 PM »
I wonder also if we have realized that we've lost some top notch women who are highly trained theology to other institutions, . . .

But this is what is so perplexing to me . . . if you are a woman in the LCMS, you understand that this is the position of the LCMS.  Why not pursue a different field of study that affords you the opportunity to teach at the highest level?  I love studying and discussing theology and am so thankful for the time I spent at CTSFW in preparation to become a deaconess.  It was actually while I was a student there that a business college across the street from the seminary took a chance and hired me with no prior teaching experience.  I discovered my love of teaching there while at the same time engaging in the study of theology.  I decided to continue teaching at the college level and pursued a course of study that would prepare and qualify me to do so.  It's not that I don't have the ability to teach theology to a class of men, it's that our confession of faith in the LCMS upholds a male-only pastorate.  Those studying theology in preparation to become pastors are best served by those with actual experience in the vocation of pastor. 

I just continue to struggle with how difficult this seems to be for some to grasp.  The LCMS doesn't hate and hold back women, the church body upholds the inerrant and infallible word of God.  If you are a woman and want to be a pastor or want to teach theology to classes of men, why not just do so where it is acceptable?  I'm also pretty sure that graduate theology degrees don't go to waste when LCMS women choose to pursue a vocation involving writing, performing acts of mercy, leading Lutheran ministries that assist the marginalized (my primary vocation as deaconess) or perhaps even teaching at the highest levels in academic institutions that aren't preparing men to become pastors (my secondary vocation as a CPA with an earned PhD).

And let's not overlook the most important area of instruction that LCMS women are engaged in . . . that of raising children in the faith.  That in my mind is of way more import than the matter of women teaching theology to grown adults.  That time has passed for me as a rather new empty nester, but I give thanks to God for the privilege of providing educational opportunities to the homeless children that my organization serves and the young adults that I work with in the college classroom.  Sometimes it just gets so tiring to see LCMS women essentially diminished for serving faithfully in their God-given and God-pleasing vocations just because they aren't teaching theology to men preparing to become pastors.

These are just general thoughts of mine and not meant to be directed at you, jebutler.  Sorry that I laid all this out in response to your comment.  :)


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Your Turn / Re: Marva Dawn +
« on: May 09, 2021, 06:06:39 PM »
Are there any women in the theology departments of any Concordia?

I happen to have just finished three semesters of teaching in the theology department of a Concordia as an adjunct, so yes. 

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Your Turn / Re: Marva Dawn
« on: May 09, 2021, 06:01:23 PM »

The fact that years later we still have no women teaching theology at our Concordias speaks for itself. (Deaconesses teaching deaconess candidates does not count.)


And why don't deaconesses teaching deaconess candidates count?  That's rather offensive and seems kind of anti-woman if you ask me.

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Your Turn / Re: Women's History Month
« on: March 20, 2021, 11:45:15 AM »
Thanks, Buckeye Deaconess for sharing the Deaconess motto.  Ultimately, our life in Christ
is all about Servanthood.  Whether we are a pastor of deaconess, plumber or secretary,
father or mother,  our calling is to serve others and not ourselves.  The mention of Queen
Esther in the motto gave me a chuckle since my current residence is now on Esther Circle.

When I was introduced to this motto as a student in the deaconess program, I kind of laughed it off.  Having served for so long now, I have truly come to appreciate its words.

I just finished teaching a Servant Leadership course for deaconess students, and I cautioned them not to go into a congregation thinking they had more knowledge or know-how than the seasoned ladies of the congregation.  Those ladies are a learning resource for them, not the other way around.  It is important for all church workers to enter into their service with humility and service in mind.  I would say trying to buck the system and introducing novel ideas to a church body's teachings and confession is not in keeping with that posture.

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Your Turn / Re: Women's History Month
« on: March 20, 2021, 10:27:45 AM »

1. I don't think either my mother or my mother-in-law would be comfortable with such a "spotlight" on them.  They would be the first to deflect it and tell us to look at Christ.

2. My guess is that you would find such women in virtually EVERY congregation and, hopefully, in every family.  Each congregation could/should honor these women for their Christian service.

3. We tend to focus on the "awesome" and forget the everyday.  And yet that (the everyday) is precisely where God works.  That is part of the genius of Luther's teaching on vocation.

This.  100%.  I think it's not easy to find writings on "famous" deaconesses because they desire to serve without recognition.  It's right in the Deaconess motto as written by Loehe:

The True Deaconess Spirit
What is my want? I want to serve.
Whom do I want to serve?
The Lord in His wretched ones and His poor.

And what is my reward?
I serve neither for reward nor thanks
but out of gratitude and love.
My reward is that I am permitted to serve.

And if I perish in this service?
“If I perish, I perish,” said Queen Esther.
I would perish for Him who gave Himself for me.
But He will not let me perish.

And if I grow old in this service?
Then shall my heart be renewed as a palm tree.
And the Lord shall satisfy me with grace and mercy.

I go my way in peace
casting all my care upon Him.

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Your Turn / Re: Women's History Month
« on: March 10, 2021, 10:57:50 PM »
The complex history of the service of deaconesses in the LCMS can be found in this book.  I disagree that Valpo deaconesses are silently being dismissed with respect to this history.  It is well documented in this book from the standpoint of those who personally experienced the theological shift at Valpo and sought to form a new organization for deaconesses who chose to remain true to LCMS doctrine.

I am so grateful for the solid theological training I received in the program I studied within (CTSFW) and am enjoying immensely the current opportunity I have to teach deaconess classes at Concordia-Chicago.  Some fabulous women are coming through the program with a desire to serve in a manner that aligns with the confession of faith of their church body.

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Your Turn / Re: Women's History Month
« on: March 10, 2021, 05:23:09 PM »
After viewing the you tube on LCMS deaconesses I would call attention to how the history made no mention of the first LCMS deaconesses.  Initially the women were trained as nurses. When the program was transferred to Valparaiso the education was primarily theological for service in LCMS parishes. Several of the women were RNs whose goal it was to serve as missionary nurses.   

As I young girl I witnessed LCMS deaconesses serve through the NYC Lutheran Inner Mission Society.  They also served at St. Luke Lutheran Church in the heart of Times Square.  The Lutheran Women's Quarterly featured stories of deaconesses Gertrude Simon and Martha Boss in mainland China before they had to flee to Hong Kong where they established a roof top school for refugee children. Both women were registered nurses.   I also read about deaconess Rose Zimke in India where she helped train deaconesses in India.  Many of the first LCMS deaconesses served as house mothers at Bethesda and other homes for children and/or the developmentally delayed. Originally LCMS deaconesses were not permitted to marry.

It was not until the deaconess program was moved to Valpo that women could continue serving if they married. When I was at Valpo, 1958-1960, several students favored the idea of having deaconess train at one of the seminaries. The Lutheran Deaconess Association Board favored continuing the program at Valpo.   Board member, Fort Wayne Sr. College Professor Robert Schnable, cautioned the Valpo deaconesses about such a move. Such a move might limit the freedom and flexibility of the existing LDA Board to supervise the Valpo program .   

Today, the history of how hundreds of women served as LCMS deaconesses prior to the black listing of Valpo's program is all but ignored. Simple things like having a deaconess read a lesson during worship divided the Valpo program and the synodically approved programs at RF, St. Louis and Fort Wayne.

The pastor under whom I served, 1958-60, had no problem with my teaching an adult confirmation class that included men.  It is my understanding that deaconesses trained at the synodically approved programs sign an agreement that limits areas of service that were not prohibited when I graduated.  Seven years ago when I went to India to work with the Indian deaconesses I witnessed how, in the LCMS
 partner church, the IELC, deaconesses are marginalized.   

My LCMS college education (Bronxville and Valpo)  made no mention of "the order of creation." Today, LCMS women, including the deaconesses,  are taught that Genesis two reveals the God ordained "Order of Creation Law" that defines how, when, where and whom women are permitted to serve. The Lutheran Study Bible now states that "the order of creation" is a Biblical topic that defines woman place and purpose in the church.   


Hopefully, the service of women who served faithfully from the time LCMS deaconesses were first trained at Ft. Wayne will include those subsequently educated at Valparaiso.   

Marie Meyer

I think the term "black listed" is a little over the top to describe women who chose to intentionally depart from the teachings and confession of the LCMS. 

And I signed no such agreement in the deaconess program I studied within.  Perhaps you are referring to the CDC's Code of Ethics.

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Your Turn / Re: Concordia, Chicago Cuts Programs
« on: December 26, 2020, 09:40:35 AM »
I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that faculty members at a Lutheran college objecting that the school is "anti-secularist' and that its president must agree with Lutheran teaching.

When I was hired to teach accounting and businesses courses as an adjunct at a local Baptist (Southern variety) university, I had to meet personally with the provost to discuss my teaching philosophy and theological views.  They wanted to make sure I would pass muster and not teach contrary to their views.  I just stuck to Scripture, had a nice discussion about Calvin vs. Luther (he was credentialed in theology) and was hired.  I understand their policies and requirements of students and respect them, even if they do seem a little foreign to my Lutheran ways (for example, mandatory chapel attendance).  I am teaching way more classes there than I ever anticipated because it is extremely difficult for Christian universities to find credentialed faculty who uphold a conservative confession of faith.  I hope our Concordias can find a way to navigate this challenge.

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Your Turn / Re: Concordia, Chicago Cuts Programs
« on: December 25, 2020, 02:16:38 AM »
I look at this and see some prudent trimming.

I agree.  I can put my CPA (and former university budget administrator) hat on and appreciate that one of the areas I taught in within their MBA program (non-profit management) just didn't seem to have the students to sustain it.  I am very happy to have the opportunity to work with your daughter as I assist with some teaching responsibilities in the deaconess program at CUC, though.  :)

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Your Turn / Re: Judge Amy Barrett Confirmation Hearings
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:25:46 PM »
I had the pleasure of teaching an online deaconess course today right as ACB was speaking.  Our topic happened to be medical ethics.  I commented to them about the stark contrast I witnessed from liberal senators who pulled out pictures and told heartbreaking stories of suffering individuals who are vulnerable from medical conditions while out of the other side of their mouths showing utter disregard for the vulnerable unborn by touting "choice."  Our class discussion was lively and promising.  Younger generations see through this hypocrisy, thank the Lord.

I was in sheer awe of ACB for sitting so long so stoically without condescending facial expressions and head shaking as seen elsewhere.  She is a role model to so many for all of her successful pursuits, most especially from what I could tell of her family sitting there in support of her, for her success as a mother.

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Your Turn / Re: Judge Amy Barrett Confirmation Hearings
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:12:58 PM »
Barrett should recuse herself.  Her qualifications for the position. are thin. The speeding confirmation express train should be red flagged and come to a stop.

Acknowledging I'm being fish hooked here, in what way are her qualifications "thin?"

Perhaps it's because, as I believe the female Republican senator from Tennessee noted during her opening remarks, she is the wrong type of woman . . . a conservative woman.  ;D

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Your Turn / Re: Female Supreme Court Nominee
« on: September 26, 2020, 05:37:34 PM »
That she is part of a group called "People of Praise." Which, supposedly, degenerates women. If that is true, then they obviously do a very bad job of it.

Now this gave me a chuckle.  So true.

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