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Messages - Richard Johnson

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Your Turn / Re: When was the Bible written?
« on: Yesterday at 09:42:25 PM »
(always suspicious, I am, of guys known only by their first two initials)

You might be more sympathetic if your first name were Clive or Gilbert.

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Your Turn / Re: David W. Preus
« on: August 01, 2021, 11:26:55 AM »
I have often wondered how the ELCA's trajectory might have been different had Bp. Preus been chosen as its first presiding bishop rather than Herb Chilstrom. I was a delegate to the constituting convention, and I later regretted that on the final ballot, I voted for Chilstrom rather than Preus.

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Your Turn / Re: ALPB president
« on: July 27, 2021, 06:23:18 PM »
Marie, for those of keeping score at home:

When was the election of ALPB President?

Who were the other candidates?

Who were those eligible to vote for ALPB President?

How long is the term of the ALPB President?

I think I know the answers, but either Dave or John can correct me:

(1) The election was at the board meeting in May

(2) There are no "other candidates." It's an election by the board, approving nominees presented by the nominating committee.

(3) The members of the board elect the president.

(4) I think the term for officers is one year (not sure about this).

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Another example of white cultural dominance: it used to be that there was a crayon whose color was labeled "flesh." You can guess what color it was.

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For a contrast, here's a statement from the African Methodist Episcopal Church bishops (from a Religion News Service release):

“We acknowledge the current controversy around Critical Race Theory and acknowledge that healing can only begin when the traumas of the past are recognized,” the bishops said.

“In African Methodism, our strategy will be informed by the notion that racism is the root evil and that ending racism is one of our highest priorities. We need partners in the fight against race inspired ills that continue to cry out against inequities beyond the borders of the USA. We must signal to public officials that the actions taken are more important than the proclamations made.”

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: July 03, 2021, 02:34:08 PM »


4. No, we do not know who stormed the capital on January 6.  That is what trials are for, despite your "string-'em-up" attitude.  By the way, there is some evidence that Antifa was present and involved, not just grandmas and guys in weird get-ups.

Or, here's an idea: How about a bipartisan special commission to investigate the storming of the Capitol? You know, like the 9/11 one?

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Your Turn / Re: Disposal of Vestments
« on: June 29, 2021, 07:42:10 PM »
Hmm. . . I'm a pretty "high church" kind of guy, but it has never occurred to me that there is something "sacred" about vestments that would call for some reverent kind of disposal.

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Your Turn / Re: Another contribution to the endless controversy
« on: June 25, 2021, 09:54:12 PM »
Overstatement again, Pastor Fienen. Whining (“you don’t like us!”) overstatement. And if you or a couple of other participants here were or represented the whole Missouri Synod, I would not like it, but you are not and you do not.
So glad that you are here to tell the rest of us who and what really does represent the Missouri Synod and who and what does not. I assume that you know that you and Brian do not represent the whole ELCA?


The ELCA sees diversity as our strength. We are “a big tent” so Charles and I are in a church that also includes folks from the conservative Lutheran Core.

We're not actually all that diverse. Which may be why we're not actually all that strong.

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Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
« on: June 25, 2021, 03:32:26 PM »
Lighten up.

"Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't." - Erica Jong

Wait -  you visited Erica Jong at her home? 
Did she exhibit a fear of flying?

Dave Benke

How does one exhibit a fear of flying in their home?  Legos on the floor?

Have you never had a four-year-old?  ;D

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A former diplomat, former member of Congress, and practicing, activist Roman catholic tells how he has refused to receive communion under the jurisdiction of the American bishops, whom he considers massive failures in moral leadership, failing to lead in critical areas of contemporary need.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/19/opinion/bishops-biden-communion.html

I would say that his attitude is no less "politicizing the Eucharist" than what some of the bishops want to do. Donatus lives.

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Your Turn / Re: Religious Freedom Issues, Again
« on: June 11, 2021, 05:27:55 PM »
So Rene Descartes is sitting in the bistro having a glass of pastis or maybe it was cognac.
Waiter comes over and says, “Monsieur Descarte, Will you be having another one? “
Descarte looks up, says “I think not.” And instantly he disappears.

 >:( :o ;D

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Your Turn / Re: Another contribution to the endless controversy
« on: June 08, 2021, 06:13:43 AM »
Discussion is dying on this forum. It is dying because we are prohibited from discussing real, personal, experiential matters. How can you have a discussion without discussing the persons involved in the exchange? How can the discussion be complete if the “personal” is eliminated?
I think that’s what has happened in the last postings that were deleted from this modest forum.
Heaven forbid that we should discuss what some consider “moribund” or what others consider their serious struggles are with certain critical topics?
No one was name-calling;no one was engaging in the dread “ad hominem.’ And yet a half-dozen or so comments were deleted. What is someone afraid of?
Crud.
I didn't delete anything or see what was deleted apart from Will's one post about the discussion becoming moribund and your response. But I'm assuming it was deleted because it wasn't on topic and wasn't reflecting well on the forum. I don't think anyone is afraid of anything, but people do prefer not to read crud.

Yep. It was I who got fed up and deleted stuff.

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Your Turn / Re: Another contribution to the endless controversy
« on: June 03, 2021, 08:55:59 AM »
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"And Luther, and the Lutheran Reformers, rejected Calvin's teaching on the Supper just as energetically as they did Zwingli's teaching."

Well, of course not.  Calvin was not active or published until near the end of Luther's life so it would be kind of hard for him to respond to what Calvin had not yet written or taught.

I can understand why Brian was confused about what you said.

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Your Turn / Re: "The only real truth comes from God"
« on: June 01, 2021, 05:08:42 PM »


I believe that the Roman Catholic church has always placed itself over the Bible. That is, the Church is the authorized interpreter of scripture. It is not everyone reads and interprets it however they want.



Are you seriously saying that for Lutherans, "everyone reads and interprets [Scripture] however they want"? Have you not heard of the Lutheran Confessions?

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