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#1
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on Yesterday at 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on Yesterday at 10:01:52 AMPsstt... Charles... the Bible is truth. The Koran is not.  ::)

PS: Your incessantly rude name-calling gets really old, Charles
Muslims believe the Koran is truth just like Christians believe the Bible is truth.

"What would you do if in conversation with a Muslim (ever had one?) he threw at you passages from the Koran? Would that help convince you af anything?"

Try to follow the [false] analogy, Brian.
#2
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on Yesterday at 09:54:22 AM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on Yesterday at 08:43:34 AM"...they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

You and Charles give approval and even praise SomeoneWrites' atheist position, e.g.
I would love to see examples of this, because I've not read any.  Are they sending you private messages? Otherwise this just looks like disparaging falsehoods that reflect negatively on their character. 


Then perhaps you should read more closely. I gave you an example that you left off.

Interesting... By claiming that Brian and Charles support you think it reflects negatively on their character? Perhaps there is hope for you, SomeoneWrites.  ;)
#3
Quote from: Charles Austin on Yesterday at 09:31:38 AMPastor Bohler:
He is simply restating what St. Paul says in Romans 1:
Me:
How dense can you be? Eyes closed? Brain shut down?
In your "argument" with and/or chastising, you (stupidity, in my opinion) hurl at him THE VERY THING HE HAS ALREADY SAID HE DOES NOT BELIEVE.
Does that make any sense to you?
What would you do if in conversation with a Muslim (ever had one?) he threw at you passages from the Koran? Would that help convince you af anything?


Psstt... Charles... the Bible is truth. The Koran is not.  ::)

PS: Your incessantly rude name-calling gets really old, Charles
#5
Interpretation... the same. 😉
#6
Quote from: John Mundinger on Yesterday at 09:06:56 AM
Quote from: Steven W Bohler on Yesterday at 09:02:26 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on Yesterday at 08:54:41 AMAbsent the gift of interpretation, what is the value of the other sign gifts?  I don't recall that interpretation had a significant role in the charismatic movement.  The other issue that I recall is that some folks assumed that the sign gifts were of greater value than the other Spiritual gifts such that the recipients were better than everyone else.

When I was a child, our LCMS pastor went charismatic.  One of the things he insisted upon was that whenever someone "spoke in tongues" we had to remain in church until someone interpreted it for us.  I remember one Sunday when church was over and we were leaving, someone gibber-gabbered and we all had to troop back into the sanctuary until someone could tell us what it meant.  We waited for what seemed forever to a 10-year old boy wanting his Sunday dinner (which was burned because we were late in getting home!) until someone could tell us that the message was that God loved us.  Which, of course, should have been clearly taught -- in English! -- by the pastor in his sermon.

If I could type in tongues, you would all have to wait until someone interpreted before anyone could reply.  ;)

From your past comments, we can interpret it before you post it... Flummery.
#7
 ;D  I remember you relating this incident to us back in 1999-2000!
#8
Your Turn / Re: Seminex Remembered
Yesterday at 08:48:31 AM
Quote from: Paul Peckman on June 13, 2024, 08:26:02 PMDon't blame this phenomenon purely on Seminex.  I worked on the custodial crew at the Seminary in the summer of 1967.  [Actually lived on campus in the home of Prof. Art Vincent, whose son was a good friend.]  My job was to "clean out the dorm rooms" and get them in shape for the fall.  I was amazed at how many Playboy magazine got discarded in the trash.  To put the best construction on everything, it was probably "research" in how the other side lives.

Oh, I certainly understand that this antinomianism didn't simply sprout and pop up in 1973-74.
#9
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on Yesterday at 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: Steven W Bohler on Yesterday at 07:54:42 AM
Quote from: Charles Austin on Yesterday at 04:18:25 AMMr. Jon Alan Schmidt, you have no idea how to address someone who disagrees with you. You have no idea how hurtful your words can be; and you are indeed abusing Mr. SomeoneWrites here.
Be kind. Back off.

He is simply restating what St. Paul says in Romans 1:

"18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools..."
So, I will restate what St. Paul says in Romans 2:

1 Therefore you are without excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others, for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things.

Let's restate what Paul states in Romans 1:32b:

"...they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

You and Charles give approval and even praise SomeoneWrites' atheist position, e.g.

Quote from: Charles Austin on June 12, 2024, 11:20:44 PMIt's clear to me. 
Mr. Someone makes such good sense here that folks are trying to drive him off this forum.

Aletheist and others proclaim the truth to him. Your "Live and let live" antinomian position leads others to death. Aletheist's tries to lead him to the way, the truth, and the life.
#11
Your Turn / Re: Seminex Remembered
June 13, 2024, 10:47:18 AM
"In the days following [the walkout], it was discovered that many 'files, student records, and other items disappeared from the seminary campus.' These items eventually included quite a number of volumes from the seminary's Fuerbringer Library, which eventually found their way into the library collection of Seminex. ... The students had been taught, and at least some of the faculty majority had been teaching, that God's Law no longer applied to Christians and should not be proclaimed to them after conversion to provide moral direction. ... It is no wonder that people who hold such a position on God's Law felt both that ... seminary property could be filched as they found these actions at that moment to be good, expedient, and to their benefit."

Scott R. Murray, "The Third Use of the Law" in Rediscovering the Issues Surrounding the 1974 Concordia Seminary Walkout, ed. Ken Schurb (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 2023), 106-107.

I remember being at a summer seminar probably around 20 years ago. Peter Kurowski attended, and he told us about being a young student at CSL and helping to clean out the dorms after the walkout. He told us about all the porn found therein. My mouth dropped open and I exclaimed, "What?! How could that be?!" He wryly responded, "Freedom in Christ."  ::)
#12
SomeoneWrites, get over yourself!

I'm done.
#13
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:42:08 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:40:00 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 12:54:15 PMA whiner plays the victim,

Looks like you're trying to be hurtful.  Are you trying to be hurtful?  Do you think this is helpful?

No. I'm surprised by all the Preus-bashing going on, of which you were a blatant part. You left out what I stated about your actions, continually falsely accusing Rolf of "slandering" him.

So walk me through why namecalling is an appropriate response.
I asked you for a better word.  you opted not to help me in a way I could work with.  You let him continue to tell false things about me.  And then you said I was playing a victim card.  Help me understand. 

I'm sorry that I cannot help you.

Can't or won't?
Can you tell me why you think namecalling is an appropriate way for us to engage?

This is not rocket science or even "genetics, zoology, paleontology, archaeology, physics, geology, anthropology..." In falsely accusing Rolf Preus of slandering you, you were playing the victim and whining. Folks who whine and play the victim are called... Whiners.

And you think namecalling will help with this?
So when I ask someone repeatedly to stop telling falsehoods about me, I'm whining?

You were, yes.

And you think namecalling will help with this?
So objecting to someone telling falsehoods about me is whining?

You were, yes. And you're starting to do it again. You appear to be quite taken with yourself. Get over it. Don't be a whiner.  ::)
#14
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 12:54:15 PMA whiner plays the victim,

Looks like you're trying to be hurtful.  Are you trying to be hurtful?  Do you think this is helpful?

No. I'm surprised by all the Preus-bashing going on, of which you were a blatant part. You left out what I stated about your actions, continually falsely accusing Rolf of "slandering" him.

So walk me through why namecalling is an appropriate response.
I asked you for a better word.  you opted not to help me in a way I could work with.  You let him continue to tell false things about me.  And then you said I was playing a victim card.   Help me understand. 

I'm sorry that I cannot help you.

Can't or won't?
Can you tell me why you think namecalling is an appropriate way for us to engage?

This is not rocket science or even "genetics, zoology, paleontology, archaeology, physics, geology, anthropology..." In falsely accusing Rolf Preus of slandering you, you were playing the victim and whining. Folks who whine and play the victim are called... Whiners.

And you think namecalling will help with this?
So when I ask someone repeatedly to stop telling falsehoods about me, I'm whining?

You were, yes.
#15
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on June 12, 2024, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Donald_Kirchner on June 12, 2024, 12:54:15 PMA whiner plays the victim,

Looks like you're trying to be hurtful.  Are you trying to be hurtful?  Do you think this is helpful?

No. I'm surprised by all the Preus-bashing going on, of which you were a blatant part. You left out what I stated about your actions, continually falsely accusing Rolf of "slandering" him.

So walk me through why namecalling is an appropriate response.
I asked you for a better word.  you opted not to help me in a way I could work with.  You let him continue to tell false things about me.  And then you said I was playing a victim card.   Help me understand. 

I'm sorry that I cannot help you.

Can't or won't?
Can you tell me why you think namecalling is an appropriate way for us to engage?

This is not rocket science or even "genetics, zoology, paleontology, archaeology, physics, geology, anthropology..." In falsely accusing Rolf Preus of slandering you, you were playing the victim and whining. Folks who whine and play the victim are called... Whiners.
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