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Title: Islamophobia
Post by: peter_speckhard on November 28, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/canadian-school-district-cancels-speech-by-isis-rape-survivor-due-to-islamophobia-fears

This is part of the same issue we deal with regarding other topics. The attempt to control the discourse fosters distrust. Here a prizewinning author sharing a harrowing story can’t talk to the schools for fear it would foster Islamophobia. Setting aside that there is no similar compunction about stories of how Natives suffered at the hands of Christian missionaries, the real issue is that refusing to admit or discuss something because it might make people think a certain (about the climate, vaccines, Muslims, communism, etc.) simply informs people that you are more interested in an agenda than the truth. People lose trust in such authorities no matter much expertise they have.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Dave Benke on November 28, 2021, 12:08:24 PM
From another thread, both Cornell West and Robert George spoke from very different ends of the spectrum against restrictions on free speech on college campuses and in general lauding freedom of speech as one of the treasures of our constitutional democracy:  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Firing+Line+margaret+hoover+cornell+west&docid=608017062619735422&mid=DBF94D6AACD24E8BE399DBF94D6AACD24E8BE399&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 28, 2021, 06:19:42 PM
Does it occur to anyone that a speaker who has been personally and severely victimized, tortured, and raped by Islamic extremists might not be the best speaker for a gathering of school students, for some of whom this might be their first experience with Islam? Students should learn about Islam in general not at its worst.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: James S. Rustad on November 28, 2021, 07:17:45 PM
The article has been updated with a statement from the Toronto District School Board.

Quote from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/canadian-school-district-cancels-speech-by-isis-rape-survivor-due-to-islamophobia-fears
In a statement to Fox News Digital on Sunday, the Toronto District School Board said the event is not yet canceled and Murad's book is being reviewed.

"The event has not been cancelled," spokesman Ryan Bird told Fox. "Earlier this month, an opinion that did not reflect the position of the Toronto District School Board was shared with the organizer of a book club prior to staff having an opportunity to read the book – something that is routinely done before giving them to students. Staff are currently reading the book and anticipate being able to add it to the list of titles used in the corresponding course(s) very shortly. We have apologized to Ms. Murad for this error and believe she has a powerful story to share with our students."
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on November 28, 2021, 09:07:11 PM
Does it occur to anyone that a speaker who has been personally and severely victimized, tortured, and raped by Islamic extremists might not be the best speaker for a gathering of school students, for some of whom this might be their first experience with Islam? Students should learn about Islam in general not at its worst.

No. As to your second sentence, perhaps her presentation addresses Islam in general.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 28, 2021, 09:14:20 PM
Pastor Kirchner:
… perhaps her presentation addresses Islam in general.

Me:
….and perhaps the last guy released from Guantanamo is giving speeches addressing American Justice “in general.”
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on November 28, 2021, 09:25:19 PM
Pastor Kirchner:
… perhaps her presentation addresses Islam in general.

Me:
….and perhaps the last guy released from Guantanamo is giving speeches addressing American Justice “in general.”

Right on queue, an illogical analogy.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Pastor Ken Kimball on November 28, 2021, 09:30:42 PM
Really, Pastor Austin?  Comparing someone who suffered rape under ISIS control to someone imprisoned at Guantanamo for participation in terrorism?  Moral equivalency?  Okay, you can fill in the back story of someone unjustly imprisoned at Guantanamo though they were innocent...or maybe a freedom fighter defending whatever you think they worthily defended...whatever narrative needs to be constructed equate the U.S. with Al Qaida / Taliban.   Bit of a stretch.   But I'm all for full telling of this woman's account and that of whatever Guantanamo inmate you pick.  I think the account of each person's experience and what they did as well as what was done to them would give us a fuller and fairer picture of Islam in general--and far better comparison than your equating of the two in order to dismiss this woman's account. 
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 28, 2021, 09:39:10 PM
I am not making a case for the equivalency of the two situations. I’m only saying that someone who comes out of either of those experiences is not likely to speak kindly or a balanced way of the perpetrator, whether or not that balance is merited.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: peter_speckhard on November 28, 2021, 09:45:25 PM
I am not making a case for the equivalency of the two situations. I’m only saying that someone who comes out of either of those experiences is not likely to speak kindly or a balanced way of the perpetrator, whether or not that balance is merited.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that this person’s presentation be the extent of what is taught about Islam in the schools. It is not her job to balance anything. That is the school’s job, and she perspective is one part of it. Furthermore, the school should not much care if the students come away with a positive or negative view of Islam.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on November 28, 2021, 10:07:59 PM
I am not making a case for the equivalency of the two situations.

And then goes on to attempt a case for an equivalency.   ::)

 
I’m only saying that someone who comes out of either of those experiences is not likely to speak kindly or a balanced way of the perpetrator, whether or not that balance is merited.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 28, 2021, 11:58:43 PM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: peter_speckhard on November 29, 2021, 12:06:30 AM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!
But again, no guest speaker is brought in to speak in an objective way. A textbook can attempt that. The problem here is that the schools have decided what the children should think about Islam and nixed a speaker who wouldn’t further that goal.

On the issue of schools in the US, people who objected to Toni Morrison novels for featuring pornographic scenes lost that particular battle. She is an award winning novelist, so Hugh school kids can be exposed to her work even if some of it requires context or guidance. This speaker is also a international, award winning writer and speaker. So why the fear of kids hearing her story?
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 29, 2021, 12:48:35 AM
Maybe I wasn't clear on the whole of the matter. I personally, me, myself, believe that Nadia Murad should speak anywhere she wants to speak and I have no doubt she has many invitations. Good.
But I also understand why a school board or local area might decide she is not an appropriate speaker for that crowd.
But the update says she may speak to the Toronto students, so perhaps Fox news was too eager to find another example of "cancel culture."
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Brian Stoffregen on November 29, 2021, 12:52:00 AM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!
But again, no guest speaker is brought in to speak in an objective way. A textbook can attempt that. The problem here is that the schools have decided what the children should think about Islam and nixed a speaker who wouldn’t further that goal.

On the issue of schools in the US, people who objected to Toni Morrison novels for featuring pornographic scenes lost that particular battle. She is an award winning novelist, so Hugh school kids can be exposed to her work even if some of it requires context or guidance. This speaker is also a international, award winning writer and speaker. So why the fear of kids hearing her story?


I think I should start a teaching tour among Lutheran congregation about my and my friends’ experiences with Missouri Synod Lutherans. I’m sure I could conduct myself as an expert and present them in the worst possible light and let others try and correct any biased, but true statements I might make about that denomination.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Steven W Bohler on November 29, 2021, 07:46:46 AM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!

So, you would oppose a Jewish Holocaust survivor from speaking about her experiences for fear the students might get an "unbalanced" view of Nazis?
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: DeHall1 on November 29, 2021, 08:24:14 AM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!

Comparing a Nobel Peace prize winning author (2018) to Guantanamo prisoners is common sense?

Nadia Murad was awarded the Nobel prize for her efforts to end the use of sexual violence as a weapon of war, and is a leading advocate for survivors of sexual exploitation and genocide.  Heaven forbid she be allowed to speak to students.

Good grief, indeed.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Dave Benke on November 29, 2021, 08:27:29 AM
The article has been updated with a statement from the Toronto District School Board.

Quote from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/canadian-school-district-cancels-speech-by-isis-rape-survivor-due-to-islamophobia-fears
In a statement to Fox News Digital on Sunday, the Toronto District School Board said the event is not yet canceled and Murad's book is being reviewed.

"The event has not been cancelled," spokesman Ryan Bird told Fox. "Earlier this month, an opinion that did not reflect the position of the Toronto District School Board was shared with the organizer of a book club prior to staff having an opportunity to read the book – something that is routinely done before giving them to students. Staff are currently reading the book and anticipate being able to add it to the list of titles used in the corresponding course(s) very shortly. We have apologized to Ms. Murad for this error and believe she has a powerful story to share with our students."

This is a far better outcome. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: peter_speckhard on November 29, 2021, 08:34:36 AM
Maybe I wasn't clear on the whole of the matter. I personally, me, myself, believe that Nadia Murad should speak anywhere she wants to speak and I have no doubt she has many invitations. Good.
But I also understand why a school board or local area might decide she is not an appropriate speaker for that crowd.
But the update says she may speak to the Toronto students, so perhaps Fox news was too eager to find another example of "cancel culture."
I agree that the original article could have been premature. Or it could be that the people in charge are reconsidering or backpedalling, having had some light shed on the issue. Either way, Fox News was simply reporting on something, with attribution, that The Telegraph reported and the New York Post picked up. So maybe you were too eager to find another example of Fox News doing something bad. 
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: DeHall1 on November 29, 2021, 08:36:55 AM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!
But again, no guest speaker is brought in to speak in an objective way. A textbook can attempt that. The problem here is that the schools have decided what the children should think about Islam and nixed a speaker who wouldn’t further that goal.

On the issue of schools in the US, people who objected to Toni Morrison novels for featuring pornographic scenes lost that particular battle. She is an award winning novelist, so Hugh school kids can be exposed to her work even if some of it requires context or guidance. This speaker is also a international, award winning writer and speaker. So why the fear of kids hearing her story?


I think I should start a teaching tour among Lutheran congregation about my and my friends’ experiences with Missouri Synod Lutherans. I’m sure I could conduct myself as an expert and present them in the worst possible light and let others try and correct any biased, but true statements I might make about that denomination.

If you were as accomplished as Nadia Murad, I’m sure some would even attend.  Alas….
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 29, 2021, 10:45:37 AM
We already have a large number of people, most of them Missouri Synod Lutherans, some of them ELCA Refugees, who are presenting themselves as experts on the ELCA, and reporting their experiences in the ELCA in the most unfavorable light. Their platforms are websites and sometimes a discussion blog like that “quest“ sign, where three or four people compete with each other to say how terrible things are. Their target at times even includes their own synod.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: DeHall1 on November 29, 2021, 12:30:20 PM
We already have a large number of people, most of them Missouri Synod Lutherans, some of them ELCA Refugees, who are presenting themselves as experts on the ELCA, and reporting their experiences in the ELCA in the most unfavorable light. Their platforms are websites and sometimes a discussion blog like that “quest“ sign, where three or four people compete with each other to say how terrible things are. Their target at times even includes their own send it.

Have these "large number of people" been severely victimized, tortured, and raped by Islamic extremists?
Won the Nobel Peace prize?
Were they scheduled for speaking events in the Toronto School district, had the event cancelled, then have A Canadian school forced to apologise for their actions?

If not, what does this comment have to do with the subject at hand?
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Randy Bosch on November 29, 2021, 12:47:10 PM
Charles Austin, having swung and missed regarding the thread subject, employs the typical distraction of trying to divert discussion to his favorite often-whipped horse, the LCMS.
Do not fall into the pit.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Brian Stoffregen on November 29, 2021, 01:13:26 PM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!

So, you would oppose a Jewish Holocaust survivor from speaking about her experiences for fear the students might get an "unbalanced" view of Nazis?


If her "unbalanced" view was against all Germans, she might not be allowed to speak.


Sort of like a lady who told me that she would never buy a Japanese made care because they killed her first husband in WWII.


Perhaps like the word, "Nazis," we might use "al-Qaeda" or even "Taliban" to separate the evil ones from the ordinary Muslims.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: peter_speckhard on November 29, 2021, 01:15:14 PM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!

So, you would oppose a Jewish Holocaust survivor from speaking about her experiences for fear the students might get an "unbalanced" view of Nazis?


If her "unbalanced" view was against all Germans, she might not be allowed to speak.


Sort of like a lady who told me that she would never buy a Japanese made care because they killed her first husband in WWII.


Perhaps like the word, "Nazis," we might use "al-Qaeda" or even "Taliban" to separate the evil ones from the ordinary Muslims.
I believe she was there to talk about ISIS and the fear was that her audience would then learn to think of Muslims in terms of ISIS.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: DeHall1 on November 29, 2021, 01:48:32 PM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!

So, you would oppose a Jewish Holocaust survivor from speaking about her experiences for fear the students might get an "unbalanced" view of Nazis?


If her "unbalanced" view was against all Germans, she might not be allowed to speak.


Sort of like a lady who told me that she would never buy a Japanese made care because they killed her first husband in WWII.


Perhaps like the word, "Nazis," we might use "al-Qaeda" or even "Taliban" to separate the evil ones from the ordinary Muslims.
I believe she was there to talk about ISIS and the fear was that her audience would then learn to think of Muslims in terms of ISIS.
Nadia Murad's book goes into detail about her escape thanks to the help of a Sunni Muslim family, who risked their lives to get her to safety.

So, I guess it depends on who you support (ISIS/ISIL or the Sunni Muslim family) to detemine that the book is Islamophobic.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Brian Stoffregen on November 29, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!

So, you would oppose a Jewish Holocaust survivor from speaking about her experiences for fear the students might get an "unbalanced" view of Nazis?


If her "unbalanced" view was against all Germans, she might not be allowed to speak.


Sort of like a lady who told me that she would never buy a Japanese made care because they killed her first husband in WWII.


Perhaps like the word, "Nazis," we might use "al-Qaeda" or even "Taliban" to separate the evil ones from the ordinary Muslims.
I believe she was there to talk about ISIS and the fear was that her audience would then learn to think of Muslims in terms of ISIS.
Nadia Murad's book goes into detail about her escape thanks to the help of a Sunni Muslim family, who risked their lives to get her to safety.

So, I guess it depends on who you support (ISIS/ISIL or the Sunni Muslim family) to determine that the book is Islamophobic.


Considering how many innocent Asians were attacked because some believed that the Chinese created the COVID virus, why shouldn't we be fearful that honest and true statements about ISIS extremists and their evil ways would not result in attacks against peaceful Muslims (and Sikhs who also wear turbans).
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 29, 2021, 03:56:48 PM
My point was that life experiences might cause some people to have a unbalanced view of a certain entity, whether civil or ecclesial. Some gay and lesbian young people have committed suicide after experiences with those who attempted to “turn” them heterosexual in the name of Jesus.
Would the parents of one of those suicides be good people to make an presentation on conservative Christianity?
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: peter_speckhard on November 29, 2021, 04:30:19 PM
My point was that life experiences might cause some people to have a unbalanced view of a certain entity, whether civil or ecclesial. Some gay and lesbian young people have committed suicide after experiences with those who attempted to “turn” them heterosexual in the name of Jesus.
Would the parents of one of those suicides be good people to make an presentation on conservative Christianity?
No, but they might be a good place to look for a talk on suicide, the history of gay rights, or some other topic. The school bringing this person in to talk about the nature of Islam generally. Her talk has more to do with women’s rights and struggle with oppression. ISIS just happens to be the backdrop to her story.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Dave Benke on November 29, 2021, 05:37:49 PM
My point was that life experiences might cause some people to have a unbalanced view of a certain entity, whether civil or ecclesial. Some gay and lesbian young people have committed suicide after experiences with those who attempted to “turn” them heterosexual in the name of Jesus.
Would the parents of one of those suicides be good people to make an presentation on conservative Christianity?
No, but they might be a good place to look for a talk on suicide, the history of gay rights, or some other topic. The school bringing this person in to talk about the nature of Islam generally. Her talk has more to do with women’s rights and struggle with oppression. ISIS just happens to be the backdrop to her story.

a) I too think ISIS is the backdrop and oppression of women is the front story.
b) This is in Canada.  I don't know if we have Canadians on this board or looking in, but Canadians tend to be more sane, more balanced, and less polarized by far than Americans.  Of course there are less of them, and it's really cold a lot of the time.  But still.
c) I don't know if anyone on this forum knows a lot of Muslims and/or Christians from predominantly Muslim countries, but oppression and persecution of Christians is not at all rare in the Muslim world.  Many of the people with whose baptisms and ministries I've been involved have deep personal experience of that persecution.  It's no light thing.  And yet those same people would encourage us to work in areas of mercy and community outreach with Muslim leaders, and join in seasonal festivities as signs of our common humanity and American citizenship.  In other words, those whom you might think would be most Islamophobic are not.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Dan Fienen on November 29, 2021, 05:52:23 PM
My point was that life experiences might cause some people to have a unbalanced view of a certain entity, whether civil or ecclesial. Some gay and lesbian young people have committed suicide after experiences with those who attempted to “turn” them heterosexual in the name of Jesus.
Would the parents of one of those suicides be good people to make an presentation on conservative Christianity?
No, but they might be a good place to look for a talk on suicide, the history of gay rights, or some other topic. The school bringing this person in to talk about the nature of Islam generally. Her talk has more to do with women’s rights and struggle with oppression. ISIS just happens to be the backdrop to her story.

a) I too think ISIS is the backdrop and oppression of women is the front story.
b) This is in Canada.  I don't know if we have Canadians on this board or looking in, but Canadians tend to be more sane, more balanced, and less polarized by far than Americans.  Of course there are less of them, and it's really cold a lot of the time.  But still.
c) I don't know if anyone on this forum knows a lot of Muslims and/or Christians from predominantly Muslim countries, but oppression and persecution of Christians is not at all rare in the Muslim world.  Many of the people with whose baptisms and ministries I've been involved have deep personal experience of that persecution.  It's no light thing.  And yet those same people would encourage us to work in areas of mercy and community outreach with Muslim leaders, and join in seasonal festivities as signs of our common humanity and American citizenship.  In other words, those whom you might think would be most Islamophobic are not.

Dave Benke
I do not doubt your experience in interacting with people in your parish and community.


I suspect that it is primarily people with little or no real interaction with Islamic people that are most likely to lump them all together as like the worst examples of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and the like. Just as Christians need to acknowledge and deal with the worst excesses of Christianity over the ages, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the list goes on but you get the idea, so Muslims need to acknowledge and deal with the worst excesses of Islam.


In my favorite episode of the TV show Bones, episode 6, season 8, "The Patriot in Purgatory" the entire crew of principles and interns end up dealing with 9/11. One of the forensic interns is Muslim, devoutly so. One of the other interns wonders if dealing with a victim of 9/11 would be hard for him since his co-religionists were involved in the attack. The Muslim reacts angrily that the attackers did not really represent his religion but highjacked his religion for their own evil purposes that day. His actual response in the show was longer and worth viewing, but that is the gist.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: DeHall1 on November 29, 2021, 07:52:36 PM
Missed it again, Pastor Kirchner.
Let me be more clear.
What the woman experienced under Islamic extremism was unjust, terrible and an abomination.
What prisoners at Guantanamo was let us stipulate, just, not as bad as being tortured and raped and not an abomination.
STILL, neither the woman nor the prisoners of the US are likely to speak in an objective way about who gave them those experiences nor are they likely to have a balanced view of the belief and/or governmental system under which they had those experiences.
Good grief, we have to strain hard here for some common sense!

So, you would oppose a Jewish Holocaust survivor from speaking about her experiences for fear the students might get an "unbalanced" view of Nazis?


If her "unbalanced" view was against all Germans, she might not be allowed to speak.


Sort of like a lady who told me that she would never buy a Japanese made care because they killed her first husband in WWII.


Perhaps like the word, "Nazis," we might use "al-Qaeda" or even "Taliban" to separate the evil ones from the ordinary Muslims.
I believe she was there to talk about ISIS and the fear was that her audience would then learn to think of Muslims in terms of ISIS.
Nadia Murad's book goes into detail about her escape thanks to the help of a Sunni Muslim family, who risked their lives to get her to safety.

So, I guess it depends on who you support (ISIS/ISIL or the Sunni Muslim family) to determine that the book is Islamophobic.


Considering how many innocent Asians were attacked because some believed that the Chinese created the COVID virus, why shouldn't we be fearful that honest and true statements about ISIS extremists and their evil ways would not result in attacks against peaceful Muslims (and Sikhs who also wear turbans).

How many Asians were attacked because a Nobel Peace prize recipient spoke to a group of Canadian school children?

How about you read the book before you condemn it for “Islamophobia”.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Charles Austin on November 29, 2021, 08:51:59 PM
How about that we recognize the ways our society demonizes Muslims and Islam? Think of the recent pol, a Republican, who joked about a Muslim member of Congress being a terrorist, then weaseled the “apology”? Any word from party leaders on that? Nope. Think of any “conservative” radio talker. Read letters to editors or remember (if you listened) callers to the late Rush Limbaugh.
There is a huge wave of Islamophobia or demonizing Muslim in our land.
In the days following 9/11 we news outlets carried dozens of stories about Muslims saying “that’s not our Islam. That’s not us.”
Two decades later, prompted by some of our politicians, too many Americans fear Muslims and Islam as if we were in Constantinople in 1453.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: peter_speckhard on November 29, 2021, 09:17:54 PM
How about that we recognize the ways our society demonizes Muslims and Islam? Think of the recent pol, a Republican, who joked about a Muslim member of Congress being a terrorist, then weaseled the “apology”? Any word from party leaders on that? Nope. Think of any “conservative” radio talker. Read letters to editors or remember (if you listened) callers to the late Rush Limbaugh.
There is a huge wave of Islamophobia or demonizing Muslim in our land.
In the days following 9/11 we news outlets carried dozens of stories about Muslims saying “that’s not our Islam. That’s not us.”
Two decades later, prompted by some of our politicians, too many Americans fear Muslims and Islam as if we were in Constantinople in 1453.
Honestly, mainstream commentary and politicians’ speeches in the U.S. routinely call conservatives and  Republicans terrorists, white supremacists, militant oppressors, and whatever else you can think of.
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on November 29, 2021, 09:23:37 PM
Wake up, Charles!

Have you read the Qur'an? It's all laid out.

https://alpb.org/Forum/index.php?action=post;topic=8030.30;last_msg=511360
Title: Re: Islamophobia
Post by: DeHall1 on November 29, 2021, 10:38:41 PM
How about that we recognize the ways our society demonizes Muslims and Islam? Think of the recent pol, a Republican, who joked about a Muslim member of Congress being a terrorist, then weaseled the “apology”? Any word from party leaders on that? Nope. Think of any “conservative” radio talker. Read letters to editors or remember (if you listened) callers to the late Rush Limbaugh.
There is a huge wave of Islamophobia or demonizing Muslim in our land.
In the days following 9/11 we news outlets carried dozens of stories about Muslims saying “that’s not our Islam. That’s not us.”
Two decades later, prompted by some of our politicians, too many Americans fear Muslims and Islam as if we were in Constantinople in 1453.

How about we read the book before we declare it Islamophobic or demonizing?