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Title: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: jrubyaz on February 06, 2010, 01:02:08 AM
One good thing that had come out  of the schism was the site www.prettygoodlutherans.com . Sadly, it went bye bye today, the author could not sustain it. RIP!
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: GalRev83 on February 06, 2010, 07:29:58 AM
This makes me sad. I thought the site was indeed "pretty good" at trying to cover all sides of news stories -- tho the blogs she posted did tend to seem to be from one viewpoint only. I also saw that the ELCA Facebook page said some icy things about Susan Hogan, and I wonder what might have been going on "behind the scenes" to prevent this work from going forward. I guess I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist!!
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: MSchimmel on February 06, 2010, 11:54:34 AM
One of the things that was on that site was Sec. Swartling's memo on dual rostering.  I have a copy archived on the lcmcfriends.info site (http://lcmcfriends.info/index.php?topic=127.0) as well.  You do have to register to download a copy though.

One thing that came to light after both the copy I have and the one that was on PGL is that the date the memo was sent was changed on the PGL copy.  The one on lcmcfriends was dated 1/13/10 - the day after the earthquake in Haiti.  The one on PGL - (which is still up there (http://www.prettygoodlutherans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Swarting4.pdf) at the moment, BTW) is a reissue dated 1/19/10.  The copy I received was from a pastor who replied to Sec. Swartling by email blasting him for such a power grab in the shadow of such a human tragedy.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: jrubyaz on February 06, 2010, 01:28:40 PM


I hate to burst the bubble of the conspiracy theorists, but Ms. Hogan has a nice explanation on her website today. Plain and simple, it was economics, and she makes clear she was not pressured to quit by the ELCA.

She also notes it was very time consuming, and if enough donations came in, she would reopen the site.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: jrubyaz on February 06, 2010, 01:29:42 PM

That copy is not confidential, Mark. In fact, the copy on PGL was one I provided Ms. Hogan. A number of pastors in our Synod circulated it.


One of the things that was on that site was Sec. Swartling's memo on dual rostering.  I have a copy archived on the lcmcfriends.info site (http://lcmcfriends.info/index.php?topic=127.0) as well.  You do have to register to download a copy though.

One thing that came to light after both the copy I have and the one that was on PGL is that the date the memo was sent was changed on the PGL copy.  The one on lcmcfriends was dated 1/13/10 - the day after the earthquake in Haiti.  The one on PGL - (which is still up there (http://www.prettygoodlutherans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Swarting4.pdf) at the moment, BTW) is a reissue dated 1/19/10.  The copy I received was from a pastor who replied to Sec. Swartling by email blasting him for such a power grab in the shadow of such a human tragedy.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Dadoo on February 06, 2010, 01:29:52 PM
Maybe a few of us good spring for a donation or two?

Good penance for conspiratorial thinking . . .
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on February 06, 2010, 02:02:03 PM
I'm a patron of a couple of other similar websites.  Even if Ms. Hogan is still unable to continue, I've already received plenty for the $25 I just sent.

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: racin_jason on February 06, 2010, 04:34:03 PM
What I don't get is the lack of warning. The site was humming along and then all of a sudden the plug was pulled on the whole thing. Even Oral Roberts first issued a warning that God might call him home, that was good for $9 million. Too many Lutherans are not pretty good at fundraising.   
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: George Erdner on February 06, 2010, 05:32:50 PM
Too many Lutherans are not pretty good at fundraising.   

Some of us are better than others.  ::)
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: jrubyaz on February 13, 2010, 10:57:43 AM

FYI, the site is back up and running.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: racin_jason on September 11, 2010, 10:22:59 AM
Dear Readers,

This site launched in early September 2009 as the ELCA entered a critical transition period. It provided a hub for you to find all of the "secular" media coverage about your denomination post-CWA09.

It's also been a place to examine issues together and to lift up your voices. Your response was incredible. Please know that I'm truly grateful.

Now that the year has passed, I'm discontinuing this site to move ahead with other projects. If I reprise the site in the future, I'll let you know. Again, thank you for your generous support.

With gratitude,
Susan
9/10/10


Though its coverage slanted leftward, PGL was a site that quickly became important reading for all concerned about the ELCA. Sad to see this is happening (again) but it's not entirely surprising.

We have to wonder if "refereeing" the comments feature is one reason the site shut down. The creator's insistence of approving every comment must have been time-consuming. She could have just let the comments fly as they will and delete later, or she could have disabled comments completely---the site would have been just as good reading.

I quickly grew to rely on PGL. It covered some events that went unmentioned here at ALPB. Most of those were minor (ie blog entries about Lent), but some were significant--actions of bishops and such.    

It will be missed.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on September 11, 2010, 10:37:09 AM
“Sadly, it went bye bye today, the author could not sustain it.”

“…if enough donations came in, she would reopen the site.”

“Maybe a few of us good spring for a donation or two?”

“…I've already received plenty for the $25 I just sent.”

“What I don't get is the lack of warning. The site was humming along and then all of a sudden the plug was pulled on the whole thing. Even Oral Roberts first issued a warning that God might call him home, that was good for $9 million. Too many Lutherans are not pretty good at fundraising.”

“Some of us are better than others.”

Indeed! Less than 10 hours later…

“FYI, the site is back up and running.”

Would make Oral Roberts proud.  ;)
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on September 11, 2010, 10:42:19 AM
Susan is a competent, long-time journalist who has won awards in the competitions sponsored by our Religion Newswriters Association.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: jpetty on September 12, 2010, 09:26:31 AM
Blogs are pretty cheap.  She must be talking about the cost in terms of time.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: SmithL on September 12, 2010, 11:53:35 AM
Blogs are pretty cheap.  She must be talking about the cost in terms of time.
I'm sure there was an emotional price that she paid for running the site, too.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Marshall_Hahn on September 30, 2010, 01:36:32 PM
Susan Hogan has a new blog site, "Divinity and Beyond" (http://www.divinityandbeyond.com/).  It appears it began in August and has much the same look as "Pretty Good Lutherans."  I have pegged it to my "Favorites" list since I expect it to be a good resource for finding stories and commentary on Lutheranism from a variety of sources.

Marshall Hahn
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: SmithL on September 30, 2010, 03:54:06 PM
Susan Hogan has a new blog site, "Divinity and Beyond" (http://www.divinityandbeyond.com/).  It appears it began in August and has much the same look as "Pretty Good Lutherans."  I have pegged it to my "Favorites" list since I expect it to be a good resource for finding stories and commentary on Lutheranism from a variety of sources.
Marshall Hahn

It seems to about Minnesota religious news, which does include some Lutheran stories.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Marshall_Hahn on September 30, 2010, 05:51:19 PM
Susan Hogan has a new blog site, "Divinity and Beyond" (http://www.divinityandbeyond.com/).  It appears it began in August and has much the same look as "Pretty Good Lutherans."  I have pegged it to my "Favorites" list since I expect it to be a good resource for finding stories and commentary on Lutheranism from a variety of sources.
Marshall Hahn

It seems to about Minnesota religious news, which does include some Lutheran stories.
Are there Lutherans elsewhere?

Marshall Hahn
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: SmithL on September 30, 2010, 07:49:05 PM

It seems to about Minnesota religious news, which does include some Lutheran stories.
Are there Lutherans elsewhere?

Marshall Hahn
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I was more surprised to discover that there were denominations other than Lutheran up there.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Ken Kimball on September 30, 2010, 10:06:27 PM

It seems to about Minnesota religious news, which does include some Lutheran stories.
Are there Lutherans elsewhere?

Marshall Hahn

I was more surprised to discover that there were denominations other than Lutheran up there.
[/quote]
I had a high school graduating class of 20 (Bricelyn High, 1978).  Seventeen were Lutheran (all ALC) and three were Roman Catholic.  I thought that was the general proportion everywhere.  Then I went to the University of Michigan for two years.  Ended up coming back to Minnesota at St. Olaf--needed a Lutheran immersion again.   ;D
Ken
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: J. Thomas Shelley on September 30, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
Susan Hogan has a new blog site, "Divinity and Beyond" (http://www.divinityandbeyond.com/).  It appears it began in August and has much the same look as "Pretty Good Lutherans." 


One of the few blessings of dial-up is that pages load so slowly that one can actually read the various urls as they are accessed and connected by the browser. 

Based on the fact that every "read more" sends the browser through a connection to "prettygoodlutherans.com" I'd say that this new domain name is a mirror site for the former one, right down to the comments feature.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: SmithL on October 01, 2010, 12:41:17 AM
Many of my comments never saw the light of day at PGL, and I got lectured for even mentioning political correctness in a post.  But I appreciated that Susan did have a Pretty Good Lutheran news feed on her site.  I wish she'd left it.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Marshall_Hahn on October 01, 2010, 09:49:14 AM
Many of my comments never saw the light of day at PGL, and I got lectured for even mentioning political correctness in a post.  But I appreciated that Susan did have a Pretty Good Lutheran news feed on her site.  I wish she'd left it.

Yes, I have gotten lectured, too.  But it was a good site for source material - kind of like "Exposing the ELCA" but from the other side.  I have found valuable information at both sites.

Marshall Hahn
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Bergs on October 13, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
Morning's email brought this note to my inbasket.

Quote
Dear Friends:

Sorry about sending this group message.
You may have noticed that I've been slowly dropping all my Facebook friends. In reality, I'm dropping out of Facebook -- likely tonight or tomorrow.
I wanted to let you know, so you wouldn't take it personally. I'd love to stay in touch.
Please know that you can reach me at 224-217-5167 or susan@prettygoodwriting.com

Thanks for understanding,
Susan

Divinity and Beyond (Twitter: MNreligion)

Interfaith Chicago
(Twitter: ifaithchicago)

As mentioned above, Ms. Hogan does have her own bias different from my own bias and respectfully enforced it.  Her site has been a good source for info and is missed.  It appears she is also pulling back from another new media site.

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN

Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on October 13, 2010, 03:08:56 PM
Actually, I would strongly advise limiting one's participation in Facebook because of the potential security issues and misuse of whatever is posted there.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Dadoo on November 09, 2010, 08:33:14 AM
To continue the chronicling of the Susan Hogan saga, the new site http://www.divinityandbeyond.com/ seems to suddenly have gone defunct as well. Reasons unknown.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Maryland Brian on November 09, 2010, 06:13:00 PM
Actually, I would strongly advise limiting one's participation in Facebook because of the potential security issues and misuse of whatever is posted there.

That's silly.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on November 09, 2010, 06:32:40 PM
Agreed. It's silly. But only if you have absolutely no concern about who gets your ip address, who keeps a record of sites, friends, groups, etc. you use and who might be reading to determine things like when one is away from home, where one travels, banks, or stores the boat.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: pr dtp on November 09, 2010, 07:19:13 PM
Agreed. It's silly. But only if you have absolutely no concern about who gets your ip address, who keeps a record of sites, friends, groups, etc. you use and who might be reading to determine things like when one is away from home, where one travels, banks, or stores the boat.

Or when you and George start your counseling with Rev.MCain and Rev. Stoeffregen inside the MMA cage?    8) 8) 8) 8) :o :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Maryland Brian on November 09, 2010, 09:46:39 PM
Agreed. It's silly. But only if you have absolutely no concern about who gets your ip address, who keeps a record of sites, friends, groups, etc. you use and who might be reading to determine things like when one is away from home, where one travels, banks, or stores the boat.

Or when you and George start your counseling with Rev.MCain and Rev. Stoeffregen inside the MMA cage?    8) 8) 8) 8) :o :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) 8)

Maybe we can kick in and pay for the therapy.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: SmithL on November 19, 2010, 06:44:30 PM
According to the MinnPost:  http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2010/11/18/23519/roster_moves_star_tribune_pioneer_press_mpr_mplsstpaul (http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2010/11/18/23519/roster_moves_star_tribune_pioneer_press_mpr_mplsstpaul), Susan just landed a spot on the Star-Tribune's editorial page.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Michael Slusser on November 19, 2010, 08:01:01 PM
According to the MinnPost:  http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2010/11/18/23519/roster_moves_star_tribune_pioneer_press_mpr_mplsstpaul (http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2010/11/18/23519/roster_moves_star_tribune_pioneer_press_mpr_mplsstpaul), Susan just landed a spot on the Star-Tribune's editorial page.

That's wonderful news for us Twin Citians! We haven't had a pro religion correspondent since Willmar Thorkelson.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on November 20, 2010, 08:16:06 AM
Fr. Slusser writes:
That's wonderful news for us Twin Citians! We haven't had a pro religion correspondent since Willmar Thorkelson.

I comment:
You are lucky to get someone like Susan writing for your papers. But.... (and with me on this subject there is always a "but"), one does not necessarily want a "pro-religion correspondent." You want some one of knowledge and intelligence who understands religion in all its various aspects - good and bad - and reports, analyzes, comments and enlightens not to be "pro religion" (whose religion? in what form?), but to be "pro" accurate information and intelligent analysis.
Wil Thorkelson was often under fire from the churches because he reported fully and accurately, even when things were bad. Those of us in the Religion Newswriters Association (the professional organization for those who write about religion for the secular press) have had years of discussions about these kinds of things.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Michael Slusser on November 20, 2010, 08:54:55 AM
Fr. Slusser writes:
That's wonderful news for us Twin Citians! We haven't had a pro religion correspondent since Willmar Thorkelson.

I comment:
You are lucky to get someone like Susan writing for your papers. But.... (and with me on this subject there is always a "but"), one does not necessarily want a "pro-religion correspondent."

You aren't suggesting that every pro religion correspondent is a pro-religion correspondent, are you? If it helps, I could speak of a "pro" religion correspondent, or even a professional religion correspondent. I mean a correspondent who understands enough about what church people do and talk about so that she can report it accurately, making it understandable to newspaper readership, and, if absolutely necessary, even to her editors.  ;)

Another "pro" religion correspondent on my list is Ann Rodgers of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on November 20, 2010, 09:32:07 AM
Right on, Father Slusser. My deep apologies for applying the wrong "pro" to your comments. You meant "professional" as opposed to "in favor of." It is totally my "oops", perhaps fueled with my long involvement in religion reporting and the hours and hours of discussion about how a reporter's personal faith is balanced with the job of being a journalist.
Agreed, also, that Ann Rodgers, another friend of long standing, is one of the "pros" in the good sense of that word.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Michael Slusser on November 20, 2010, 09:46:03 AM
I understand, Charles. There really aren't enough of the "pros." In many markets, a story about religion has to be covered by a reporter with little or no background knowledge. Makes one hold one's breath, waiting to see what they think happened.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on November 20, 2010, 11:08:26 AM
Once, Michael, I was leaving a press conference where the General of the Salvation Army spoke. As we were leaving, a young woman from AP said to me "Now the Salvation Army... are they Protestant?"
On the other hand, there have been real "pros."
You mentioned Wil Thorkelson, and And Rodgers.
There was Dick Ostling, Time Magazine (and AP, formerly with Christianity today); the late great George Cornell of the AP, Ken Woodward, Newsweek; Richard Dujardin, Providence Journal-Bulletin, Dan Lehmann of the Chicago Sun-Times (now editing The Lutheran), Virginia Culver, Denver Post; John Dart of the LA Times; my colleague Ken Briggs, first of Newsday, then The New York Times; Ari Goldman of The New York Times; Ed Briggs, Charlotte News-Observer, Michelle Bearden in Tampa (both newspaper and tv), Steve Maynard in Tacoma, and a bunch of others.
For these people - and some others - religion was a beat we loved, cared about and wanted to do well. Our numbers rose and declined, depending upon the whims of editors on what should be covered and how. We struggled with editors, publishers, fellow reporters and readers to keep the beat professional. Sometimes we won, sometimes we lost.
Occasionally we would encounter a religion reporter who believed that God had called him or her to the job in order to witness to a particular aspect of faith. Generally, these were not my favorite people. 
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Michael Slusser on November 20, 2010, 11:30:59 AM
Occasionally we would encounter a religion reporter who believed that God had called him or her to the job in order to witness to a particular aspect of faith. Generally, these were not my favorite people. 
Not likely to be the best reporters, either.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Matt on November 20, 2010, 12:05:03 PM
The blog getreligion.org does a wondeful job of covering the intersection of journalism and religion, and critiquing religion coverage in the media.

The seven regular contributors are all professional journalists and are all are Christians (I think) of various stripes. At least one religious Jewish journalist has been a regular contributor in the past. To be fair, it does have something of a conservative theological and political bias, but anyone can comment on the posts and the commenters reflect a wide array of opinion.

One of the prolific contributors is Mollie Hemingway who brings a distinct confessional Lutheran perspective. Hers is a very familiar voice in LCMS circles. Terry Mattingly, a conservative convert to Orthodoxy is also a leader.

The GetReligion blog is scathing toward journalists who report religious topics in a way the reflects the journalist's own biases and ignorance about what religious people (of all religions) believe and do. According to GetReligion, many of the best religion reporters are believers of some kind and many are not. Personal religiosity is not a prerequesite for being a good religion writer, an ability to listen to and understand religious people is.

They believe that a big problem in American media is that newspapers, in particular, often assign very junior reporters to the religion beat, and then quickly promote them into more prestigious departments. Also, many graduates of journalism schools bring a liberal and secular bias that is not conducive to understanding religion. Articles about the battles over gay clergy, for example, often deal with the subject in terms of political rather than theological ideas.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on November 20, 2010, 12:45:11 PM
Matthew Jamison writes (re media):
They believe that a big problem in American media is that newspapers, in particular, often assign very junior reporters to the religion beat, and then quickly promote them into more prestigious departments.
I respond:
If a paper wants a religion beat at all, it wants the job done well. The problem is that fewer papers see the need for a specialist on the religion beat.

Matthew Jamison writes:
Also, many graduates of journalism schools bring a liberal and secular bias that is not conducive to understanding religion.
I comment:
I disagree that a "liberal and secular" bias, whatever that is, prevents one from understanding religion.

Matthew Jamison writes:
Articles about the battles over gay clergy, for example, often deal with the subject in terms of political rather than theological ideas.
I comment:
Newspapers tend to report things with regard to the ways they affect the largest number of people in the "public," hence the social and political aspect of the story sometimes takes precedence over the theological. Few papers have the smarts to report about the "world of ideas," whether in religion, science, or any other discipline.
Long long ago, when I was writing about the ecumenical document "Baptism, Eucharist, and Ministry" for The New York Times an editor asked "What is this going to mean next week for First Baptist Church down on the corner of Main and Oak?"
I said: "Nothing. It's not that kind of a document."
He said: "Then why are we putting this on Page One?"
It took some wheeling and dealing to keep our account of that document on the first page.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Matt on November 20, 2010, 05:58:07 PM
Charles,

To my shock, I agree with *most* of your last post! GetReligion also frequently discusses the financial problems of newspapers and how this is making it hard for dedicated religion reporters to find and keep work.

A liberal and secular bias can make a person a bad religion reporter. By the same token, a narrow and strident religious bias can make a person a bad religion reporter. A Lutheran reporter who is very well versed on, say, the differences between Catholics and Lutherans might well be baffled when asked to cover New Age, Wicca or Rastafarianism. But if she was a good enough journalist, she could overcome her bias and deliver true and useful news about those groups. Same is true of anyone. Like I said, some very good religion reporters are not themselves religious.

I'm not a scientist. If I try to make sense of the New England Journal of Medicine I'm likely to be baffled by the terminology in which I'm not fluent. But a good science reporter can investigate scientific issues that are of interest to the general public and translate the key issues into language that any somewhat educated adult can grasp. Magazines like Harper's and the New Yorker have made an art form of this kind of reportage.

Mollie Hemingway occasionally writes for the Wall Street Journal's "Houses of Worship" column, as do others. The WSJ obviously does not cater to a Christian or religious audience, so Houses of Worship is about religion topics that might be interesting to the public at large. In this context, she wrote about the LCMS firing of Pr. Todd Wiliken giving wide coverage to what was a parochial dispute in a medium-sized church body. The editors of the WSJ evidently found this topic interesting enough to publish, and it turned out to be very influential on subsequent events with Wilken and the LCMS.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: ptmccain on November 20, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
Well, now there's a surprise. A noted liberal newspaper hires a liberal religion writer for its liberal editorial page. Where's the diversity? Getreligion.org will, no doubt, be watching her journalism closely, as it does all religion writers around the country.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Michael Slusser on November 20, 2010, 06:49:39 PM
Well, now there's a surprise. A noted liberal newspaper
You're referring to the Wall Street Journal?  ???

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: ptmccain on November 20, 2010, 10:07:06 PM
Michael, scroll up a few comments, to Reply #30.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on November 20, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
BTW Op-ed writers are allowed to have bias and opinion. It's what papers hire them for. I've written a couple dozen op-ed pieces in retirement and they get printed because they - sometimes strongly - express an opinion or have a viewpoint. Got one coming up on airport security and the "pat-down".
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: aberaussie on November 20, 2010, 11:51:20 PM
BTW Op-ed writers are allowed to have bias and opinion. It's what papers hire them for. I've written a couple dozen op-ed pieces in retirement and they get printed because they - sometimes strongly - express an opinion or have a viewpoint. Got one coming up on airport security and the "pat-down".

I hope you will provide us with a link to the essay.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Charles_Austin on November 21, 2010, 06:17:54 AM
Probably not, Katie Abercrombie, as it's off topic and sometimes I just don't want to give people here yet another reason to yell at me.
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Steverem on November 22, 2010, 11:28:25 AM
Well, now there's a surprise. A noted liberal newspaper
You're referring to the Wall Street Journal?  ???

Peace,
Michael

Yeah, I was confused, too.  Yet another endorsement of the "Insert Quote" button.   ;)
Title: Re: Pretty Good Lutherans Site No More
Post by: Bergs on December 24, 2010, 11:27:43 PM
Ms. Hogan got to write the Minneapolis StarTribune's Christmas editorial.

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/editorials/112403894.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUvDEhiaE3miUsZ