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Title: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: revjagow on July 16, 2008, 02:30:41 PM
I missed the home run derby for this year's All Star game.  My secretary just informed me that I also missed what one commentator called, "a bad night to be an atheist (http://www.drug-addiction-support.org/bad-night-for-atheist.html)."
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: revjagow on July 16, 2008, 09:46:55 PM
Bumping it up for the baseball people.



Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 16, 2008, 10:31:54 PM
I heard this, thought it was great, referenced it today.  This has to do with the Josh Hamilton story - prodigal son who had the skills, got the $4 million bonus, spent it all on hard drugs, tattoos, the lifestyle, came to Jesus and now is a whole different person who popped 28 home runs into the back lot in right field at Yankee Stadium.  When he finished that first round, the guy said, "Bad night to be an atheist." 

It was actually a great day for NYC.  They cordoned off 6th Ave from 34th to 59th for a red carpet parade for all the old and current all-stars.  Lotta love in the House, unless you happened to be from Boston.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on July 16, 2008, 10:50:33 PM
Hi Andy, Pres. Benke, missed the part about the atheist comment, but did hear Josh Hamilton interviewed by Erin Andrews of ESPN and Hamilton did say that he wanted to thank and give all glory to his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  Miss Andrews had no comment to that other than 'Thank you.' 

Hamilton is a great story, although I wonder why more isn't being made of Jon Lester and Doug Davis, cancer survivors.  As great as the Hamilton story is, he willfully took the illicit drugs.  Lester and Davis did not choose cancer.  It appears from my seat that lots of people are fawning over Hamilton and what he is accomplishing/has accomplished.  But Hamilton doesn't seem to be going down that avenue.  He seems to emphasize that he made a mistake, that it was his own volition.  I wish we'd hear that more, that he made his own bed, slept in it, and is now where he should have been.

Home run derbies are rather boring, this one at least kept my attention until the Brett Favre interview with Greta van Susteren.  Perhaps you can answer this question- Are Brett Favre's diapers pure gold or only gold plated?  And to keep this on a quasi-religious slant so we can stay in the bounds of this board, it appears to me that Brett's understanding of vocation is off-kilter.  His calling was as a football player.  When he decided to retire, his calling changed.  He doesn't seem to grasp that.  Brett is living in the was.  Live in the is, man! 

And how come Greta didn't ask Brett his opinion on the Semper Virgo?  Isn't she a journalist? 

I suppose that is enough.  Jeremy 

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on July 16, 2008, 11:58:41 PM
Hi Andy, Pres. Benke, missed the part about the atheist comment, but did hear Josh Hamilton interviewed by Erin Andrews of ESPN and Hamilton did say that he wanted to thank and give all glory to his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  Miss Andrews had no comment to that other than 'Thank you.' 

Hamilton is a great story, although I wonder why more isn't being made of Jon Lester and Doug Davis, cancer survivors.  As great as the Hamilton story is, he willfully took the illicit drugs.  Lester and Davis did not choose cancer.  It appears from my seat that lots of people are fawning over Hamilton and what he is accomplishing/has accomplished.  But Hamilton doesn't seem to be going down that avenue.  He seems to emphasize that he made a mistake, that it was his own volition.  I wish we'd hear that more, that he made his own bed, slept in it, and is now where he should have been.

Home run derbies are rather boring, this one at least kept my attention until the Brett Favre interview with Greta van Susteren.  Perhaps you can answer this question- Are Brett Favre's diapers pure gold or only gold plated?  And to keep this on a quasi-religious slant so we can stay in the bounds of this board, it appears to me that Brett's understanding of vocation is off-kilter.  His calling was as a football player.  When he decided to retire, his calling changed.  He doesn't seem to grasp that.  Brett is living in the was.  Live in the is, man! 

And how come Greta didn't ask Brett his opinion on the Semper Virgo?  Isn't she a journalist? 

I suppose that is enough.  Jeremy 



Brett who?

Oh, the guy that has one the same number of Lmbardi trophies as Trent Dilfer and Eli Manning...
When does basketball and hockey's preseasons start....
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on July 17, 2008, 01:21:51 AM
I heard this, thought it was great, referenced it today.  This has to do with the Josh Hamilton story - prodigal son who had the skills, got the $4 million bonus, spent it all on hard drugs, tattoos, the lifestyle, came to Jesus and now is a whole different person who popped 28 home runs into the back lot in right field at Yankee Stadium.  When he finished that first round, the guy said, "Bad night to be an atheist." 

It was actually a great day for NYC.  They cordoned off 6th Ave from 34th to 59th for a red carpet parade for all the old and current all-stars.  Lotta love in the House, unless you happened to be from Boston.

Dave Benke

This was amazing.  Rick Reilly is the commentator who said "bad night to be an atheist."  He used to write for SI but now writes and commentates(word?) for ESPN.  An amazing story indeed.  Pres. Benke and I saw Hamilton a the old ballpark in Queens when the Texas Rangers were in town to play the Mets.  That was 3 weeks ago?  he had 75 RBI's?  He now has 95.....wow

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: deaconbob on July 17, 2008, 02:08:42 AM
Matt,u nam droppin'? Hangin' with da prez, huh...figurin' it ain't 2 earlie in da game to get sum face-face time, wit da big man? Careful Matt, you'll be trading your Islipese for Brooklynese, even 4 u grad u ate. ( I actually read a message meant for my son that I think sounded like I just did,wanted to try it out)   8) ::)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen_Smith on July 17, 2008, 08:03:07 AM
Dr. B - Don't you remember!  The Chief Yankee Fan moved to Chicago and while he's greatly missed, now it's okay now to cheer on other teams.  I even cheered on my Cardinals as they passed by and - yep - even the Red Sox players.  GREAT DAY in NYC.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: revjagow on July 17, 2008, 10:20:44 AM
Here is another article from a Christian sports organization (http://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:6278.1200986025/rid:c53e651a7c79339703850d931ebbd06d) with links to SI and ESPN articles too.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on July 17, 2008, 11:30:20 AM
Matt,u nam droppin'? Hangin' with da prez, huh...figurin' it ain't 2 earlie in da game to get sum face-face time, wit da big man? Careful Matt, you'll be trading your Islipese for Brooklynese, even 4 u grad u ate. ( I actually read a message meant for my son that I think sounded like I just did,wanted to try it out)   8) ::)

Haha, I was at the game with a couple of friends and my father.  My pops called me up when he was at the concession telling me he ran into the good Doctor Benke.  No scheming going down on Roosevelt Avenue in Queens, I promise.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on July 17, 2008, 10:15:59 PM
Hi Mike, privileged to be linked to the elder brother.  I've been the little brother my whole life, nice to be first for a change! :)

Hamilton is a good story.  I don't like to go to the 'great' designation given the fact that no one held a gun to his head and told him to take the drugs.  He's finally doing what he should have been doing all along.  He was the #2 pick in the draft when he came out of North Carolina, and if he hadn't made some stupid choices, he would have been launching home runs in the majors years ago and would not have made his debut only last year.  So he's a good story for the turnaround he's made.  Kudos to him.  The cancer survivors, the amputee athletes, the ones who didn't choose their situation, those are the great stories.  But I can understand since he plays for your team.  Those ties are tight.  I feel much the same about players for the Cardinals and the Nationals.

Jeremy 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on July 17, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
Sadly (or hopefully), I'm still an Angels fan.  But that's immaterial, since the team motto is "Wait 'til Next Year", I think.
However, the thread title does puzzle me....isn't EVERY night a bad night for atheists -- unless the Holy Spirit strikes them?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: deaconbob on July 17, 2008, 11:25:01 PM
Ah Roosevelt Ave, In Jackson heights, did much of my money laundering cases there. Ate good too. Got injured there too, which ended my LEO career. Lucky for you all otherwise I may not have been posting here. It's OK to have a "hook" Matt. Heck you think the publisher :) of CPH got there on his looks? :o
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Keith Falk on July 17, 2008, 11:26:47 PM
Sadly (or hopefully), I'm still an Angels fan.  But that's immaterial, since the team motto is "Wait 'til Next Year", I think.
However, the thread title does puzzle me....isn't EVERY night a bad night for atheists -- unless the Holy Spirit strikes them?

As a Cleveland Indians fan (and to the Cubs fans out there, I know you have it worse), let me assure you, we would happily take that motto if it came along with the recent (relatively) World Series win by the Angels
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on July 17, 2008, 11:43:26 PM
Sadly (or hopefully), I'm still an Angels fan.  But that's immaterial, since the team motto is "Wait 'til Next Year", I think.
However, the thread title does puzzle me....isn't EVERY night a bad night for atheists -- unless the Holy Spirit strikes them?

As a Cleveland Indians fan (and to the Cubs fans out there, I know you have it worse), let me assure you, we would happily take that motto if it came along with the recent (relatively) World Series win by the Angels
Thank you for the grace of letting a lowly Angels fan feel (very briefly) exalted, and I would give the motto to you if it were mine to give (of course, I think it is my school's motto as well - UC Berkeley - oh, go ahead, take it, but the pennant has to be earned by your guys (good works problem here?).
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 18, 2008, 08:06:24 AM
Matt and I actually got to see Josh Hamilton tattoo one (so to speak) right out of the park when the Mets, now tied for first place in the NL East after their tenth straight victory with a ninth inning rally, played the Rangers.  He, a lefty, smacked it to left field, way up in the bleachers, off a lefty, and I told Judy, "This is a guy we want to walk the rest of the night."

Jeremy, does one "lose" his vocation in retirement?  Does the pastoral vocation, as opposed to others, last a lifetime, or does it end when the pension kicks in?

Not living in homeland Wisconsin, I feel so much pain emanating from Dairyland.  And out there, people feed their pain.  Brats, beer, cheese, kringele.  Wish I were there.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: RevSteve on July 18, 2008, 10:51:27 AM
Hi Mike, privileged to be linked to the elder brother.  I've been the little brother my whole life, nice to be first for a change! :)

Hamilton is a good story.  I don't like to go to the 'great' designation given the fact that no one held a gun to his head and told him to take the drugs.  He's finally doing what he should have been doing all along.  He was the #2 pick in the draft when he came out of North Carolina, and if he hadn't made some stupid choices, he would have been launching home runs in the majors years ago and would not have made his debut only last year.  So he's a good story for the turnaround he's made.  Kudos to him.  The cancer survivors, the amputee athletes, the ones who didn't choose their situation, those are the great stories.  But I can understand since he plays for your team.  Those ties are tight.  I feel much the same about players for the Cardinals and the Nationals.

Jeremy 


I disgree. I think it is a great story. This is certainly not meant to belittle the Cancer survivor etc. But I think Hamilton's is great also because of the humility that he has shown and that there is spiritual element to his story. I think his story is great because of what it shows to others struggling with addiction. And yes the Cancer survivor story is great because of the inspiration it can provide for others struggling with Cancer etc. But the truth is Hamilton's struggles could just as easy be any of our struggles and we can use all the "He made his own choices language" but iis it not by the grace of God that his struggle is not your struggle or my struggle?
Title: The Angels
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on July 18, 2008, 01:29:05 PM
Sadly (or hopefully), I'm still an Angels fan.  But that's immaterial, since the team motto is "Wait 'til Next Year", I think.

I've been an Angels fan since the first time they were the Los Angeles Angels, playing at Chavez Ravine.  (I'm not quite old enough to remember them playing at the first ballpark to be called "Wrigley Field.")  Best record in the AL, tied for best record in the Bigs (with the Cubs!) and the word is they think they've only now gotten it all together to play up to their potential the rest of the season.    No, these are the Angels' glory years.

Eamus Angelus, Steven+
Where have you gone, Rick Reichardt?

 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on July 18, 2008, 05:10:27 PM
Hi Mike, I don't think you're bringing the thread down, so please feel no need to apologize to me.  (I've really enjoyed the Semper Virgo thread, but there's only so much I can digest in one sitting.  This is a good thread.)

And I think Hamilton is a good story.  I'm just hesitant to throw around the superlative 'great'.  After being given so much in terms of attention and money, he, and he alone, made some stupid choices.  Wherever the bottom was, he hit it, and is doing what he should have been doing all along.  Good for him.  He appears to recognize that he is not doing this alone and bears good witness to the joy of his salvation.  Good for him.  Good for the people who watch and listen to his story.  (I certainly think that aspect is not communicated enough but we can blame the media about everything.)  Hamilton is a good story, a good baseball story and a good human interest story.  I just happen to think there are greater stories this baseball season. 

Pres. Benke, your comment on vocation was interesting.  I'm not sure when it "ends" but it certainly evolves.  My father and I had this discussion a few weeks ago when my family was visiting my parents.  My dad is a retired pastor.  He fills in for vacationing pastors in his area, helps out at vacant churches, even does that Consecrated Stewards thing as a leader/facilitator of some sort.  But we were talking about things in the church- he and I are not of the same opinion about all things.  We were discussing our current District President.  Both of us greatly admire him, but I think for different reasons.  I don't consider my District President to be a pastor.  He doesn't serve a church.  I cannot locate his altar or pulpit.  He serves churches, mine included, but he doesn't serve a church.  In a similar fashion, my dad is a reverend or a clergyman, but no longer a pastor.  He serves various churches in various degrees but has no call from a congregation.  His vocation has evolved.  One of his vocations is as ticket seller at Manassas Battlefield, working 8 hours a week, all so he can "buy Mom an ice cream cone or two." 

With your Wisconsin roots, Brett's vocation is no longer listed as "Green Bay Packers QB"  He was the QB.  Now he's not.  Retirement happens.  Brett no longer wants to play football.  If he did he's apply for reinstatement, but apparently his desire is not there.  He has to add the "ret." and then go apply for work at Fox, ESPN, CBS, or NBC in their studio.  Or perhaps he can call Greta van Susteren and she can get him a job at FoxNews.  It must be hard to deal with retirement.  I still have a few years in front of me.  But we need to stop treating Brett like he is a regular person.  He's not.  Divas (which is synonymous with pro athlete) and regular people are not the same. 

Good luck to your Mets.  I apologize in advance for their collapse. ;)

Jeremy       
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 18, 2008, 06:35:36 PM
I think, Jeremy, that we've bounced around the concept of the reservation of the title "Pastor" to the ordained who have parishes on other threads.  And I get it.  But I don't think in an evangelical and catholic view of the several thousand year history of the Church it works out as well.  Waltherian-ly, yawohl.  Checking out the wider Church picture through the course of time, not so well.  The other question I would have is the is the use of your dad's ticket-selling as an example.  If dad were the pastor of a small parish who sold those tix, would he be less a pastor for so doing?  If his ticket-selling were a locale for the delivery of pastoral counsel and advice (beyond don't buy an obstructed seat), would that make a difference? 

As to Brett Favre, it will be a long, hot summer in Wisconsin.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on July 18, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
Not including lucrative advertising contracts, which run in the tens of millions, and appearance fees, Brett Favre, if he reports, will collect my yearly salary about every two days or so for a full year. He is walking away from more than $1,200/hour, 24/7/365  by not reporting, and all he has to do to collect it is compete for a starting job with a guy who has never started a game. He'd rather throw away over 12 million dollars than hold a clipboard for part of the preseason? He must really not like Ted Thompson.
Title: Re: The Angels
Post by: SCPO on July 18, 2008, 07:49:08 PM
[Where have you gone, Rick Reichardt?
 

    Rick Reichardt was a Wisconsin boy.   He must have played along side Bo Belinsky and Daddy Wag's during the time when they had the halo's on their caps.

    http://www.armchairgm.com/Article:Players_from_the_Past:_Rick_Reichardt

Regards,

Senior
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Christopher Miller on July 24, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
As much as Hamilton is a great story, it must also be noted that Justin Morneau won the derby. :D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 24, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
Christopher Miller, with one of the more inventive tag line Luther-quotes, the old Bronx cheer - sieg Heil, splat, Heil, splat, in der Fuhrer's face. 

And with that, the Mets are in first place.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on July 24, 2008, 11:01:11 PM
Christopher Miller, with one of the more inventive tag line Luther-quotes, the old Bronx cheer - sieg Heil, splat, Heil, splat, in der Fuhrer's face. 

And with that, the Mets are in first place.

Dave Benke

Brings back memories of the creation -- of the METS-- those marvelous early years, that record W-L stat that will live forever.
Good for everyone for the Mets to be in first place.  Is there a baseball penance in their future?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 25, 2008, 07:36:04 AM
At the recent Martin Luther High School golf outing in Queens, when groups made it to the tenth tee, they were greeted by none other than Ed Kranepool, first baseman back then when lossess doubled wins, RD.  A graduate of Monroe High in the Bronx, Ed is a local nice guy who helps out at these outings.  He's in his mid-sixties now, but in order to get free tickets for the drawings, you had to hit it past him off the tenth tee - he's still got game, even if it's a different game.  The Bishop, however, caught one on the button and flew past him. 

With the tickets, I won a lithograph of............Yankee Stadium.  Of all places!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: mqll on July 25, 2008, 12:59:39 PM
Thou are unworthy of such a hallowed prize! I demand that you send it to the closest Yankees fan (3 games out baby! Bring on Barry Bonds!) on ALPB.

Who is PILC. And lives in Arkansas.

That way it will be sufficiently worshiped...er, venerated.

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on July 25, 2008, 01:04:15 PM
With the tickets, I won a lithograph of............Yankee Stadium.  Of all places!
Hang onto that one -- soon to be one of those "artist conception of a monument from the past, sadly, demolished."
I never received an Ebbet's Field lithograph  >:(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on July 26, 2008, 12:02:35 AM
In my living room hangs a lithograph (http://www.stancline.com/search_viewprints.htm) of the original "Wrigley Field," home of the Los Angeles Angels of the Pacific Coast League.  The park proved so successful, the owner renamed the park of one of his other teams.

Paz y bien, Estéban+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on July 26, 2008, 12:12:56 AM
In my living room hangs a lithograph (http://www.stancline.com/search_viewprints.htm) of the original "Wrigley Field," home of the Los Angeles Angels of the Pacific Coast League.  The park proved so successful, the owner renamed the park of one of his other teams.

Paz y bien, Estéban+
Muy bueno.  That would be Charles Wrigley (Wrigley's Chewing Gum), former Chicago Cubs owner (L.A. Angels a farm team, I think) who also owned all of Santa Catalina Island off the So.Cal. coast for many years (where the Cubs also had Spring Training for many years -coincidence?), named by Hernando Cortez (not a Cub). 
Training at St. Catherine's Isle didn't help win any pennants, but I'm sure that was coincidental.
Vaya con Dios
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on July 26, 2008, 01:01:16 AM
That would be, William Wrigley, Jr., founder of the chewing gum company, etc. 

The Cubs held spring training at Santa Catalina Island 1921-1951 except during WWII.  So the third "Wrigley Field" did indeed serve up 4 of their NL pennants.

Steven+
expatriate Angeleńo
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on July 26, 2008, 01:04:17 AM
That would be, William Wrigley, Jr., founder of the chewing gum company, etc. 

The Cubs held spring training at Santa Catalina Island 1921-1951 except during WWII.  So the third "Wrigley Field" did indeed serve up 4 of their NL pennants.

Steven+
expatriate Angeleńo
Thanks for the correction!  I would loath being a baseball (or chewing gum) revisionist!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 28, 2008, 08:21:18 AM
My best Yankee memorabilia, Mark, is a ball signed by Don Zimmer and Joe Torre.  The lithograph can be yours by going to jamesfiorentino.com and checking out his stuff, which does include some very cool painted versions of baseball cards from many eras.  The one I have is called A Night in the Bronx, but it depicts Opening Day, which I didn't think was ever a night game, but what with ESPN and all, who knows?

As to real baseball, there's a tiny whiff of Subway Series in the air, but that happens often in July and August and is then dispelled by the autumnal breezes of September.  We don't like it in Queens that X. Nady went to the Bronx, because we wanted him (back). 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on July 28, 2008, 09:12:42 AM
My best Yankee memorabilia, Mark, is a ball signed by Don Zimmer and Joe Torre.  The lithograph can be yours by going to jamesfiorentino.com and checking out his stuff, which does include some very cool painted versions of baseball cards from many eras.  The one I have is called A Night in the Bronx, but it depicts Opening Day, which I didn't think was ever a night game, but what with ESPN and all, who knows?

As to real baseball, there's a tiny whiff of Subway Series in the air, but that happens often in July and August and is then dispelled by the autumnal breezes of September.  We don't like it in Queens that X. Nady went to the Bronx, because we wanted him (back). 

Dave Benke

X Man is now with the enemy.  It's sad that I have to have disdain towards him. 

Johan. 17-6 in July.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on July 28, 2008, 03:01:10 PM
My best Yankee memorabilia, Mark, is a ball signed by Don Zimmer and Joe Torre.  The lithograph can be yours by going to jamesfiorentino.com and checking out his stuff, which does include some very cool painted versions of baseball cards from many eras.  The one I have is called A Night in the Bronx, but it depicts Opening Day, which I didn't think was ever a night game, but what with ESPN and all, who knows?

As to real baseball, there's a tiny whiff of Subway Series in the air, but that happens often in July and August and is then dispelled by the autumnal breezes of September.  We don't like it in Queens that X. Nady went to the Bronx, because we wanted him (back). 

Dave Benke

Still have my Angel Reggie Jackson memorabilia.  Baseball nostalgia and history can be as Medusa-like as multi-denomination theological assertions!!

X Man is now with the enemy.  It's sad that I have to have disdain towards him. 

Johan. 17-6 in July.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on July 31, 2008, 10:34:44 AM
Last night was Lutheran Night at the Braves at Turner Field in Atlanta.

The evening consisted of a "Lutherans on Parade" around the field before the game, the National Anthem ably sung by a local church choir, and a giant check presented to Lutheran Social Services of Georgia by the good people at Thrivent Financial for Lutherans.

The Braves played the St. Louis Cardinals.  It was a rare moment of Lutheran unity...ELCA, LCMS, WELS all cheering together...and by cheering together, i mean they were cheering in the same area. Some fans with St. Louis connections were cheering for the Cards, but hey, we take what we can get.  Most of the Lutheran section was in support of the Braves.

Craving a more public witness than simply wearing a "Lutheran Night at the Braves" t-shirt, it occured to me how the Theology of the Cross inherently resists cheers of any kind.  A theology of Glory can trumpet all sorts of things, including success and free will.  But last night, we Lutherans all just sat there and watched the game.

Next year I want to bring Sola signs, Faith-Grace-Christ. We should be able to unite around those for (a) good cheer.     
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Christopher Miller on July 31, 2008, 11:56:13 AM
The Minnesota Twins do something very similar.  The next one is coming up August 19th.  Unfortunately, I won't be able to get out congregations organized in time to go down to the TC.  I have tried to get a "Let's Go Lutherans" chant going in the past. :D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 07, 2008, 08:02:49 AM
And Brett Favre will be throwing his bullets in Hackensack this autumn.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 07, 2008, 09:47:52 AM
And Brett Favre will be throwing his bullets in Hackensack this autumn.

Dave Benke

I find it quite annoying that the other football team is going to get a lot of media play the next several days in the middle of the most holy season the calendar (baseball season).

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on August 07, 2008, 10:46:59 AM
Dr. Benke,

Well, you New Yorkers have Brett Favre all to yourselves now.  I will miss him, but I am very happy that he is gone.  And that we will get something for nothing (considering he had retired and it was well understood he was never going to play again for the Packers) makes it even better.  As an owner of the Packers, I must say that Mr. Thompson handled this mess as well as could be done.  And I am VERY disappointed in Mr. Favre for doing so much to undercut the team that did so much for him...

Still, he was/is a great quarterback, even at 38-soon-to-be-39.  Go Jets (since the better the Jets do, the better the draft choice we will get becomes)!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 07, 2008, 10:54:13 AM
SW, how about a Jets-Packers Superbowl?  That would be almost Michael Jordanesquely divine interventionist. The last play, the game-winner or loser, Favre to Bubba Franks on the button hook in the end zone with the bullet.  Complete or incomplete?  You make the call.

Nobody takes away, Matt, from focus on the Mets.  It's getting the METS to focus that's the problem - even David Wright seemed out of synch last night.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 07, 2008, 11:01:37 AM


Nobody takes away, Matt, from focus on the Mets.  It's getting the METS to focus that's the problem - even David Wright seemed out of synch last night.

Dave Benke

Ain't that the truth...

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on August 07, 2008, 11:04:12 AM
Fahhhh-Vray to the Jets?  Wow.  I was kinda hoping Oakland!!!

My Patriots will get two shots at him this year!!!!!

Ahhhh...can't wait for reformation day - the day when the real sport starts. (well this year actually 3 days earlier - but close enough!)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 08, 2008, 08:08:20 AM
Interesting comparison on old-guy retreads today in the Times.  Two who made it big after leaving their long-time home were Y. A. Tittle and Joe Montana.  Two who went nowhere were Joe Namath and Johnny Unitas.  I had no idea Johnny Unitas ever played, or tried to play, outside Baltimore, but he was in San Diego for an unsuccessful year. 

Unless Favre gets hurt, though, that gun still fires bullets.  He was on the sideline last night, standing there with, of course, Bubba Franks.

I watched because the Mets had played and won behind Wright's walk-off homer during the day.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 08, 2008, 10:20:14 AM
Continuing Favre-watch, Bloomberg just introduced him to NYC, giving him the key-ring to the city, promising key upon Super Bowl victory, stating "I just gave the key to the Giants in February.  If you want one, you'll need to win one."

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on August 08, 2008, 11:14:56 AM
Two who went nowhere were Joe Namath and Johnny Unitas. 


Joe Namath's signing with the LA Rams and his subsequent humiliation immediately jumped into this expat Angeleńo's mind upon hearing the news.  I recall Johnny U. with the Chargers, too, and marvel that wrote so forthrightly of that sad, sad experience in his autobiography. 

I don't follow football nearly as closely as I do baseball (being in Central Illinois there's no football team nearby, and the grade of professional football in the hometown was greatly improved by the departure of the NFL's teams).  But if the Jets are treated with anything like the scrutiny the Mets and Yankees receive, should the Favre repeat the "success" of Joe Montana in Kansas City, the media will crucify him.

spt+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jay on August 08, 2008, 11:29:32 AM
But if the Jets are treated with anything like the scrutiny the Mets and Yankees receive, should the Favre repeat the "success" of Joe Montana in Kansas City, the media will crucify him.

spt+

I know the NY media are harsh, but even they would be happy with an AFC championship appearance for the Jets in his first year, like Joe did for the Chiefs, wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 08, 2008, 11:35:33 AM
But if the Jets are treated with anything like the scrutiny the Mets and Yankees receive, should the Favre repeat the "success" of Joe Montana in Kansas City, the media will crucify him.

spt+

I know the NY media are harsh, but even they would be happy with an AFC championship appearance for the Jets in his first year, like Joe did for the Chiefs, wouldn't they?

Absolutely.  The Jets were 4-12 last season.  This move makes them relevant again and as tough a New Yorker as I am I would find it hard to kill Favre if the Jets made it as far as an AFC Championship Game but not the Super Bowl.  This is akin to the Mets signing Pedro Martinez.  Helps make a little brother irrelevant team relevant again in the big city. 

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 08, 2008, 05:38:45 PM
The NY equivalent to the Favre trade on WFAN is the acquisition of Mark Messier by the Rangers in '94.  Savior.  Hero. 

He gets up in front of the media today, is asked how he feels, says, "Great!  My daughter, who's 9, was with us in Cleveland and asked if I was going to play college football now.  I said,'no, this is still the pros.' She said, 'but they're all so much younger than you.  I said,'you've got a point there, honey.'"  Favre officially has the media wrapped around his right arm at this moment in time.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Brian Stoffregen on August 08, 2008, 06:18:43 PM
Absolutely.  The Jets were 4-12 last season.  This move makes them relevant again and as tough a New Yorker as I am I would find it hard to kill Favre if the Jets made it as far as an AFC Championship Game but not the Super Bowl.  This is akin to the Mets signing Pedro Martinez.  Helps make a little brother irrelevant team relevant again in the big city. 
I wonder how many congregations have thought like the Jets -- if we just get a new pastor to come to our failing congregation, we will become winners. How often does that actually happen?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 08, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
The NY equivalent to the Favre trade on WFAN is the acquisition of Mark Messier by the Rangers in '94.  Savior.  Hero. 

He gets up in front of the media today, is asked how he feels, says, "Great!  My daughter, who's 9, was with us in Cleveland and asked if I was going to play college football now.  I said,'no, this is still the pros.' She said, 'but they're all so much younger than you.  I said,'you've got a point there, honey.'"  Favre officially has the media wrapped around his right arm at this moment in time.

Dave Benke

Ok Giants fan here to set in a bit of reality.  I actually do not have a problem with the Jets.  My two brothers are Jet fans, I have learned to actually root for them.  BUT, come on.  Craig Carton on the Fan today was saying Favre is the biggest figure in NY sports and the Jets are the #1 team in town.  Relax buddy.  I don't buy the Messier comparison either.  Messier came here in his prime.  No matter how good Favre may be, he is at the end of his career.  This move had to be done because, as I said, it makes the Jets relevant again.  The Jets were completely irrelevant, even more so after a Giant Super Bowl victory.  I could see the Jets making the playoffs, but chill out Jet fans.


M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 09, 2008, 08:54:28 AM
Words on the streets of NY:

1) Favre bigger than A-Rod

2) #1 Jersey at Modell's = Green and White #4 (picture in Times of woman from Green Bay ! buying one in Times Square)

3) Description of Favre with Mayor by owner of Jets - "It's like an Elvis sighting"

4) Favre first practice session this afternoon on LI will be attended by more media than were at any of the games last year

5) Giants?  Are they still playing?  I thought they moved to San Francisco.  Actually, still the better team in town.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on August 09, 2008, 09:09:30 AM
Enjoy him while you can.  He is a great player.  One of my all-time favorites, even after all the troubles he caused this spring/summer for the Packers (and yes, I put the blame squarely on Mr. Favre's shoulders for this one).
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on August 11, 2008, 11:53:18 PM
Enjoy him while you can.  He is a great player.  One of my all-time favorites, even after all the troubles he caused this spring/summer for the Packers (and yes, I put the blame squarely on Mr. Favre's shoulders for this one).

So, here is a thread on "Baseball" and Favre/Jets is the main concern?  And exactly who is it that is leading the flocks away from confusion and chaos?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 12, 2008, 08:59:05 AM
Enjoy him while you can.  He is a great player.  One of my all-time favorites, even after all the troubles he caused this spring/summer for the Packers (and yes, I put the blame squarely on Mr. Favre's shoulders for this one).

Glad to see you say this.  I feel as though many Packer fans have become so enamored with Brett Favre that they solely blame the organization.  I blamed Tiki Barber for his abrupt ending, did not blame the Giant organization there.  And Barber was actually my favorite Giant.  But, as unhappy as I was with Eli and Coach Coughlin at the beginning of last year, my fondness of Tiki quickly evaporated when he started throwing them under the bus.  So I was actually on the side of Eli and Coach Coughlin BEFORE they turned things around. 

But hey, cannot fault the people for being upset with either, in this town we expect and accept only winning.  However silly that may seem.  The same goes for my bullpen-less Mets.  I was at the Met game Sunday and I happened to be on the elevator with WFAN pre game and post game man Eddie Coleman.  Being a FAN junkie I was so enthralled with seeing and talking to Eddie C that I completely ignored the fact the man Eddie got on the elevator with was Jeff Wilpon, son of Fred Wilpon, the Mets owner.  Jeff is more wrapped around the everyday aspects of the organization, but the man blends in very easily so it's no big mistake to not recognize him.  Had I realized it were him I would have given him some advice regarding allowing GM Omar Minaya to assemble such a horrid bullpen.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 15, 2008, 02:56:36 PM
a) the West Coast is where East Coast teams go to die, which the Phillies are doing, although if they can't beat San Diego they're in a bad funk.

b) in the words of David Wright - "it's going to be a dog fight to the end in the NL East."    Thanks, though, for your good wishes.

c) Never count the Yankees out prematurely.  I've tried to do it for the past fourteen years, and it hasn't worked even once.  They could get the card, if they ever start hitting.  Not my primary rooting zone, just statements of fact over time.

d) Favre is being tutored by an LCMS Lutheran, 34 year old Brian Schottenheimer.  There's only one thought on my mind - the bishop's tithe.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mark Anderson on August 15, 2008, 03:36:57 PM
Hmmm. Wonder how many of the "stars" tithe?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 15, 2008, 04:24:27 PM
Mike,

Appreciate the well wishes.  The Phillies couldn't possibly lose enough games to make me happy.  And since this has become the unofficial "sports" thread, figure it's worth mentioning the duo that created sports talk radio have gone their separate ways after 19 years.  Mike and the Mad Dog are no more.  Mike Francessa will stay on as a solo act and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo will be mulling other offers, more than likely a spot at Sirius XM.  The airwaves in NY are filled with sadness and remembrance today.  It's almost like Russo died.  To be honest, I cannot stand either one of them.  I find them to be pompous, condescending, and just a couple a blowhards.  But part of me is going to miss hearing Russo's annoying voice and that duo that paved the way for sports talk radio everywhere.  WFAN won't be the same. 

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Keith Falk on August 15, 2008, 04:37:20 PM
Hmmm. Wonder how many of the "stars" tithe?

To throw yet another sport into the mix... the NBA's Dwyane Wade tithes.  The NBA's Michael Redd footed the bill for a new building for his father's church in the Columbus area.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 15, 2008, 04:45:29 PM
Hmmm. Wonder how many of the "stars" tithe?

To throw yet another sport into the mix... the NBA's Dwyane Wade tithes.  The NBA's Michael Redd footed the bill for a new building for his father's church in the Columbus area.

Very cool.  Fernando Tatis, of the New York Mets, went back into baseball to make enough money to pay for a church in his hometown.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 15, 2008, 05:39:10 PM
Tiger Woods' wife is from Sweden, therefore Lutheran by birth.  That would be a serious tithe.

I agree with you, Matt, on Mike and the Dog.   Guys who have a niche in sports stats and somehow believe this makes them really, really important.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on August 15, 2008, 06:01:46 PM
the duo that created sports talk radio have gone their separate ways after 19 years.  Mike and the Mad Dog are no more.

Gee.  We had sports talk radio in LA when I was in junior high and "Superfan" Ed Bieler, a loud-mouthed truck driver whose home I walked past every day going to school, took the city by storm.  That was some 35 years (ouch!) ago.

He closed each show with, "In the department store of human affairs, sports is, after all, the toy department."  Alas (for Superfan, that is), he's remembered more for screwing up names of players, cities, etc., hanging up on people, and getting fired from one station after another -- some 2-3 times.  Then again, while the iron was hot KABC nabbed him from the tiny suburban KIEV, stole the Dodgers from clear channel KFI, and ruled LA's airwaves for some 25 years. 

pax, spt+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on August 15, 2008, 06:59:56 PM
stole the Dodgers from clear channel KFI, and ruled LA's airwaves for some 25 years. 
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Ah, for the days of the irrepressible wit of Jerry Doggett, former sidekick to Vin Scully  ;).
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 15, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
OK, here we go -  Earl Gillespie and Blaine Walsh - Milwaukee Braves in the World Series years.  "Blainer, get the net." (So Blaine could catch foul balls in his muskie fish net).

The Immortal, Laconic, Iconic Packers announcer Ray Scott in the 60s:  "Starr....Dowler....Touchdown." 

Bob Murphy, Mets.  Wonderful. 

And why not?  Bob Uecker. 

Vin Scully, though, wow, the pro's pro.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on August 15, 2008, 07:36:01 PM
OK, here we go -  Earl Gillespie and Blaine Walsh - Milwaukee Braves in the World Series years.  "Blainer, get the net." (So Blaine could catch foul balls in his muskie fish net).

The Immortal, Laconic, Iconic Packers announcer Ray Scott in the 60s:  "Starr....Dowler....Touchdown." 

Bob Murphy, Mets.  Wonderful. 

And why not?  Bob Uecker. 

Vin Scully, though, wow, the pro's pro.

Dave Benke

Was it Curt Gowde who, at an obviously fogettable to me World Series sometime in the 60's was overwhelmed by a smash to the outfield and announced something like:
"Its going, going, gone!  A touchdown!"?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 15, 2008, 10:31:17 PM

Curt Gowdey or maybe fellow Montanan Lindsay Nelson, who had the loudest collection of sports coats in the world in those days.  Montanan?  Montanite?  Montanist?

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Layman Randy on August 16, 2008, 12:02:27 AM

Curt Gowdey or maybe fellow Montanan Lindsay Nelson, who had the loudest collection of sports coats in the world in those days.  Montanan?  Montanite?  Montanist?

Dave Benke
Hard to tell those sub-denominations apart!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 17, 2008, 11:30:06 AM
Bob Murphy.  I miss him calling games and his "happy recap" during the post game.  I remember I listened to his final broadcast from home on the radio.  The Mets were terrible that year, but I had to listen to Murph. 


M. Staneck

PS-Pr. Tibbetts, "Mike and the Mad Dog" is vastly considered the reason sports talk radio is as big as it is.  I am sure shows were around before then.  Maybe your show influenced them.  But it took two NY personalities to make it the industry standard. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 17, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
Mike's rite of closing was liturgical in its purity as he had the Dog call in and weep openly and at length at how he had known Mike and Mike had known him prior to either of them having girlfriends and eventually wives.  Nineteen years.  In a unique way, if you take sports as the replacement for religion for a lot of guys, their patter was, in their own description, one of the central experiences that a lot of males, mostly white and in the appropriate sports demographic, held onto for their daily sustenance.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 17, 2008, 01:40:27 PM
Mike was and is a pompous jerk.  But you're right Bp. Benke, that was the norm for so many.  I find myself streaming the Fan online at Valpo all the time for that sound from home.  The sound is now different.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 09, 2008, 08:29:38 AM
Favre/Jets - winners
Rodgers/Packers - winners
Win/win situation.

ESPN had the comparison chart between the two on the board all night long, and said that in Green Bay it's not done game by game, but play by play.

Dave Benke

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 09, 2008, 09:43:06 AM
Favre/Jets - winners
Rodgers/Packers - winners
Win/win situation.

ESPN had the comparison chart between the two on the board all night long, and said that in Green Bay it's not done game by game, but play by play.

Dave Benke



play by play?  What is Green Bay New York?

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 09, 2008, 10:07:55 AM
Mr. Staneck,

You obviously do not know Green Bay (my hometown).  Everything -- and I mean everything -- revolves around the Packers.  Churches even set their worship schedules according to the times of the games.  Catholic priests that can do a Mass in time to get everyone out for the game find their churches full; those that cannot find theirs empty (Green Bay is mostly Catholic).  Walk through town anytime (not just on game-day or even during the season) and you will find literally 1/4 or more of the folks wearing Packer apparel.  During the games (away too, not just home games) the streets are deserted, like a ghost town.  When they talk about St. Vincent, they mean Lombardi.  Bart Starr, even after his disasterous tenure as head coach and general manager, is a king.  Brett Favre, had he not pulled the stunts he did this summer, could have had just about anything he wanted in Wisconsin: political office, TV/radio slot for life, people lining up to buy cars from his dealership (ala John Elway), whatever.  The Milwaukee paper has an online blog; Sunday they followed the Jets game play-by-play (even telling us when Brett Favre sat down that he was wearing a visor!).  People eat, sleep, breathe, live football in Wisconsin, especially Green Bay.  I love it there...
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 09, 2008, 04:49:30 PM
Pr. Bohler, for some reason the NWD pastor conference involves a tour of lambeau field.   I'll think of you and Bishop Benke during the tour.   ;D 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Darrell Wacker on September 09, 2008, 05:19:07 PM
Mr. Staneck,

You obviously do not know Green Bay (my hometown).  Everything -- and I mean everything -- revolves around the Packers.  Churches even set their worship schedules according to the times of the games.  Catholic priests that can do a Mass in time to get everyone out for the game find their churches full; those that cannot find theirs empty (Green Bay is mostly Catholic).  Walk through town anytime (not just on game-day or even during the season) and you will find literally 1/4 or more of the folks wearing Packer apparel.  During the games (away too, not just home games) the streets are deserted, like a ghost town.  When they talk about St. Vincent, they mean Lombardi.  Bart Starr, even after his disasterous tenure as head coach and general manager, is a king.  Brett Favre, had he not pulled the stunts he did this summer, could have had just about anything he wanted in Wisconsin: political office, TV/radio slot for life, people lining up to buy cars from his dealership (ala John Elway), whatever.  The Milwaukee paper has an online blog; Sunday they followed the Jets game play-by-play (even telling us when Brett Favre sat down that he was wearing a visor!).  People eat, sleep, breathe, live football in Wisconsin, especially Green Bay.  I love it there...

Do you also sport the famous cheese head, kind sir?   ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 10, 2008, 12:22:49 PM
Mike,

You forgot the bratwurst!  But what else could one want, once that addition has been made? 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 10, 2008, 12:32:45 PM
Pr. Bohler,

Thanks for the description of Green Bay.  I do remember the ghost town look it had during the NFC game that the Giants won in overtime en route to their dismantling of Tom Brady and the once undefeated New England Patriots.  As a true and avid (some might say obsessive) lover of sports, I can appreciate that feeling. 

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 18, 2008, 01:40:08 PM
After the Mets easy victory over Washington last night (NOT), one of the announcers opined that the seats they're selling from old Shea will likely have no varnish on them, because anyone watching the Mets is just always rootching around anxiously waiting for the next relief pitcher to throw a home run ball.  So it is with us - always exciting, never easy.  From now on they have to use their best three pitchers and ask them always to pitch complete games.  Then we might have a chance.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 18, 2008, 05:46:42 PM
Visions of last September are dancing in my head....I've resorted to writing online instead of emotional blow ups:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/58582-dna-of-a-met-fan-how-sick-we-truly-are

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/58743-new-york-mets-are-not-out-of-the-woods-yet

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 22, 2008, 10:01:53 AM
All Mets fans report to the cardiac care unit of your respective hospitals, where we will spend the next week under sedation.

It was, even for me as a Queens guy, a great night in the Bronx yesterday.  I'm sure my lithograph has escalated in value.

And just for the record, what a treat to watch the US team bring the Ryder Cup home.  I didn't actually see it because I had a serious workday, but some time, maybe in two years, I'm going to one of those, either home or away.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 22, 2008, 10:19:37 AM
All Mets fans report to the cardiac care unit of your respective hospitals, where we will spend the next week under sedation.

It was, even for me as a Queens guy, a great night in the Bronx yesterday.  I'm sure my lithograph has escalated in value.

And just for the record, what a treat to watch the US team bring the Ryder Cup home.  I didn't actually see it because I had a serious workday, but some time, maybe in two years, I'm going to one of those, either home or away.

Dave Benke

Mets:  Is there really no one out of that bullpen who can get 3 outs without surrendering at least one run?

Yankee Stadium:  over the top...but I thought it was really special having the great Joba pitch the 8th inning after all he's done for the Yankees and in that ballpark

Ryder Cup:  I was glued since Friday morning, popped the champagne after Miguel Angel Jiminez conceded to Furyk.  Anthony Kim is the man.  I'd pay good money to watch Sergio get beat like that any day.  The next time the Cup is stateside it'll be at Medina in Illinois.  God willing, I'll be in St. Louis in 2012 for my final year......so the wheels are already churning.


M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on September 22, 2008, 10:32:07 AM
All Mets fans report to the cardiac care unit of your respective hospitals, where we will spend the next week under sedation.
If I read the blogs correctly or do the math...

As of this Monday morning, for making the playoffs:
Phillies magic number is 6
Mets magic number is 9

And no, there is no one out there in the Mets pen who can get those 3 outs without giving up a run.  But to be fair, most contending teams are dancing on the edge right now.  The Phils were faced with multiple men on base (by the bullpens doing) in late innings this past weekend, but managed to skate out of trouble.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on September 22, 2008, 11:53:05 AM
All Mets fans report to the cardiac care unit of your respective hospitals, where we will spend the next week under sedation.
If I read the blogs correctly or do the math...

As of this Monday morning, for making the playoffs:
Phillies magic number is 6
Mets magic number is 9

Those are the magic numbers for winning the NL East.

To make the playoffs, the magic numbers are:

Phillies magic number is 4
Mets magic number is 6

Once one clinches at least the wild card, it then becomes a duel to see who wins the NL East.
Yes, thank you for the clarification (correction, really).  I had that in mind last night that the numbers were more like that, but seeing this thread revived, I went looking for the numbers out on the web, and was led astray.

I think it likely that both make it in.  If I can trust what I read out there, there is no 1 game playoff if they end up tied.  The head-to-head record determines, and the Mets have the advantage there.  So that 1/2 game differential (from the loss column) doesn't matter for the division -- at this moment, it can be rounded down instead of up.  (I was trained by my father at a young age to look at the loss column.)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 22, 2008, 12:14:21 PM
My belief is that the Mets' magic number is always 8.  That's the amount of runs they need to score if the starting pitcher does not complete the game.  No matter the standings, one of us on this forum does have tickets to the last game at Shea next Sunday.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 22, 2008, 12:18:12 PM
It be nice to see the Braves continue to play hard against the Phillies and not roll over and die like they did last week....since their closer and team seem to get so amped up to play the Mets.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Darrell Wacker on September 22, 2008, 06:25:51 PM
a) the West Coast is where East Coast teams go to die, which the Phillies are doing, although if they can't beat San Diego they're in a bad funk.

Still holding in there for the Mets. Things are getting tight though.

c) Never count the Yankees out prematurely.  I've tried to do it for the past fourteen years, and it hasn't worked even once.  They could get the card, if they ever start hitting.  Not my primary rooting zone, just statements of fact over time.

You've got that right. Barring an emergency situation where the new stadium would somehow become unavailable, it is likely that the Yankees have played their last game ever -- not just regular-season -- at Yankee Stadium.  But if somehow they won their last 8 games straight out and the Red Sox tanked all 7 remaining games, they'd be tied for the wild card.

Unless that unlikely scenario develops though, the Yankees will be out of the postseason for the first time in well over a decade.

Visions of last September are dancing in my head....I've resorted to writing online instead of emotional blow ups:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/58582-dna-of-a-met-fan-how-sick-we-truly-are

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/58743-new-york-mets-are-not-out-of-the-woods-yet

M. Staneck

Thanks, Matt. I appreciate getting to know you better by being able to read your thoughts on this.

Mike

Good-I root for any team outside of New York, Boston, or really the whole east coast.  Go Houston (who got royally shafted having to play two games in Milwaukee last week.)  And I say this as a proud St. Louis Cardinals fan!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 24, 2008, 01:02:37 PM
This is a heck of a playoff race.  Unfortunately, not so sure my heart can handle it.  One thing is for sure though:  Johan Santana was the best move this franchise has made in a while.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on September 24, 2008, 11:21:57 PM
This is a heck of a playoff race.  Unfortunately, not so sure my heart can handle it.  One thing is for sure though:  Johan Santana was the best move this franchise has made in a while.

M. Staneck

Yes, we miss Santana here in Minnesota.  You should be appreciative of the excellent coaching he received here, Gardenhire and Anderson are top-notch at developing young pitchers. 

But we are in a race of our  own tonight drawing within a half game of the White Sox.  It's all kind of academic though as the Angels or Boston are much better teams.  That will actually be a heckuva series. 

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 25, 2008, 12:43:43 PM
After a game like last night, there is only one thing to say....

"Amen.  Come Lord Jesus."

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 25, 2008, 01:28:42 PM
What would Jesus do, Matt?  The understanding I have is that Jesus would bring in a runner from third with nobody out in the bottom of the ninth. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 25, 2008, 01:34:28 PM
Jesus would end the misery.  Which is just as good IMO as a base hit with a runner on third and nobody out. 

Only a theology of the cross could explain the Met fan misery here.


M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 25, 2008, 02:44:15 PM
GO BREWERS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on September 25, 2008, 03:19:16 PM
Mike Gehlhausen, you think that God is pulling for the Cubs and is clearing the way for them?  It's not God that is pulling for the Cubs.  You are confusing God with the MLB, which is understandable.  It is MLB that will do whatever it can to make sure the Cubs have as easy a path as possible.  That's why the 'only' option for the Astros was to play the Cubs in "Chicago North".  But even though MLB will try to pave the way for the Cubs to go far, the Cubs will still lose.  Have you seen how immature Zambrano is?  His last two starts have shown how fragile he is when something doesn't go his way.  That is not a good omen.  The Brewers are burning Sabathia out just to make it to the playoffs (Good for you Brewers since you haven't been to the playoffs in so long) but they won't get out of the first round.  The Mets won't even make it the playoffs and the Phillies are so flawed that they won't go far either.  That leaves the Dodgers with Manny and Joe Torre.  Wow.  How are you feeling about that Yanks and Red Sox?   
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on September 25, 2008, 04:13:21 PM
It'll be the Cubs and the White Sox.  In game 7, with the scored tied in the 12th, Jesus returns.

Pax, Steven+
Diehard Angel fan, fair-weather Dodger fan
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 25, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
Appreciate it Mike.  But in all honesty, at this point, I would rather they miss it.  This team needs a serious shake up from top to bottom and I fear making the playoffs will just allow this mess to continue.  In addition, these games are not even enjoyable to me.  I find myself wanting it to be over the second it starts.  It may be good for my love of the game for the season to be over Sunday evening.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on September 25, 2008, 06:44:58 PM
Matt, agree with the shake-up that is needed with the Mets.  I think that Omar Minaya's time has come.  Beyond Santana there is no one really enviable on the pitching staff.  I'm sure the Cardinals would gladly trade Troy Glaus for David Wright, straight up.  (I'll hang up and listen for my response over the air.) 

Last year's collapse and this year's present collapse are part of the culture of the team.  And I'm not sure they can change that.

Enjoy the rest of the season!  (Sorry)  Jeremy 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on September 25, 2008, 11:48:49 PM
Go Twins!  What a goofy team.  Now a half game ahead of the White Sox after sweeping them in the Dome.  It would have been a cool night if they were playing outside.  Of course in two years they WILL be playing outside. 

What happened to the Tigers this year?

Brian J. Bergs
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 26, 2008, 12:42:49 AM
Matt, agree with the shake-up that is needed with the Mets.  I think that Omar Minaya's time has come.  Beyond Santana there is no one really enviable on the pitching staff.  I'm sure the Cardinals would gladly trade Troy Glaus for David Wright, straight up.  (I'll hang up and listen for my response over the air.) 

Last year's collapse and this year's present collapse are part of the culture of the team.  And I'm not sure they can change that.

Enjoy the rest of the season!  (Sorry)  Jeremy 

I am pumped yet again......Ya Gotta Believe!!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 26, 2008, 07:41:36 AM
Hope.  Mets.  Big Weekend.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 26, 2008, 08:56:43 AM
Mike,

Definitely one of my favorite passages in all of scripture.  Thanks for that! Haha.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: deaconbob on September 26, 2008, 10:39:47 AM
Welcome home Bsp benke, my professor told me that you attended his lecture in St Louis. Care to share 9maybe another thread)
Vicar Bob
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on September 26, 2008, 10:48:29 AM
Also related to this thread (maybe Sports and a bad night for atheists), I would like to mourn the recent death of Wally Hilgenberg, arguably one of the top ten linebackers of all time.  According to those who heard his story, he was a real carouser and quite foul-mouthed.  A couple of teammates, including Jeff Siemon, decided to start praying for him.  They chose him because they believed he was the least likely to ever find Christ.  In 1977, Wally did accept Christ as his savior and became a solid role model of a Christian man. 

Keep praying out there.

http://www.legacy.com/StarTribune/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=117941278

Grace & Peace
Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SCPO on September 26, 2008, 03:32:32 PM

What happened to the Tigers this year?

Brian J. Bergs

      Too many bad outings by Justin Verlander, Bonderman got hurt, Willis couldn't throw strikes, Robertson got lit up like a Christmas Tree, and the bullpen couldn't hold a lead or keep the game close.   Oh well, we still have the Lions...I mean the Wolverines...I mean the Red Wings.

      Enjoy the playoff's.

Senior
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 26, 2008, 03:56:39 PM
GO BREWERS!!!  Mets and Brewers tied for Wild Card.   The good Bishop should root for his native home team.  Forsake the Miracle Mets and believe in the mighty Brew Crew!!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on September 26, 2008, 06:47:43 PM
Mike Gehlhausen, you think that God is pulling for the Cubs and is clearing the way for them?  It's not God that is pulling for the Cubs.  You are confusing God with the MLB, which is understandable.  It is MLB that will do whatever it can to make sure the Cubs have as easy a path as possible.  That's why the 'only' option for the Astros was to play the Cubs in "Chicago North".  But even though MLB will try to pave the way for the Cubs to go far, the Cubs will still lose.  Have you seen how immature Zambrano is?  His last two starts have shown how fragile he is when something doesn't go his way.  That is not a good omen.  The Brewers are burning Sabathia out just to make it to the playoffs (Good for you Brewers since you haven't been to the playoffs in so long) but they won't get out of the first round.  The Mets won't even make it the playoffs and the Phillies are so flawed that they won't go far either.  That leaves the Dodgers with Manny and Joe Torre.  Wow.  How are you feeling about that Yanks and Red Sox?   

I don't know, I think God might deliver a victory unto the Cubs just to spare the rest of us from having to hear Cubs fans' whining anymore. He shut the Red Sox Nation up in '04, and I hope He shuts up the North Siders this year.

Please, just shut them up!

-ghp
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 26, 2008, 07:02:13 PM
GO BREWERS!!!  Mets and Brewers tied for Wild Card.   The good Bishop should root for his native home team.  Forsake the Miracle Mets and believe in the mighty Brew Crew!!!!

Don't worry bout the Mets, worry bout the Phillies cause the Amazins are takin the division!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 26, 2008, 09:57:51 PM
Nevermind.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 27, 2008, 07:36:16 AM
My true hometown team moved from Milwaukee to Atlanta and took my true hometown hero, a guy named Aaron, along with it, selling out to CoCola.  That's why the only good thing about the Mets collapses in the last two years is that they're still ahead of the Braves and their crummy chop.   

With that in mind, I would like it all to come down to Sunday.  Meaning - today, Mets win and Brewers and Phillies lose.  Tomorrow, destinies are forged.  And I'd like to see the Pale Hose and Twinkies both win today for the same destiny-day in the AL.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: deaconbob on September 27, 2008, 01:48:14 PM
I'mnot into basketball so i don't comment, but I hope the Mets shoot a 3 pointer today

Vicar bob
All male swim team-ST Francis Prep Brooklyn ny (67-71)
yes we wore suits, St John's Prep didn't, it was tough on their relay team
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SCPO on September 27, 2008, 01:54:44 PM

With that in mind, I would like it all to come down to Sunday.  Meaning - today, Mets win and Brewers and Phillies lose.  Tomorrow, destinies are forged.  And I'd like to see the Pale Hose and Twinkies both win today for the same destiny-day in the AL.

Dave Benke

   Yup.  And then it would be nice if the CHISOX had to play the make-up game on Monday with the Tigers.  This would gove them one last chance to do something this season by giving the Divison title to the Twinkie's.

Regards,

Senior
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 27, 2008, 02:50:25 PM
I'm a big fan of St. Francis Prep, your alma mater, Bob, since it's just down the road from my home and the FB team practices where I like to hit illicitly a few golf balls on public park land from time to time. 

And I went to a prep school that had the same "gymnos" concept for swimming in an all-male institution.  However, that whole thought of that comes under the heading TMI.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 27, 2008, 04:10:04 PM
AHhh.... soon all this idol (yes I meant the spelling) chatter will end, as the real sport starts...

Prediction

Spurs versus Celtics - Spurs in 7 with a double OT.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 27, 2008, 04:10:32 PM
WOW. JUST WOW.  That was an absolutely GUTSY performance by Johan Santana.


M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on September 27, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
AHhh.... soon all this idol (yes I meant the spelling) chatter will end, as the real sport starts...

Prediction

Spurs versus Celtics - Spurs in 7 with a double OT.


You misspelled Red Wings repeat.  ;D

-ghp
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: deaconbob on September 27, 2008, 04:47:00 PM
While I would agree bishop that any visualizing would be in the realm of TMI, it has been suggested by more than a few that "hang-ups" abound because of uptighness in recent generations. While I do not expect this observation to receive any comments, nor prompt a thread of its own, in a very clear instance it was the subject of possible "discipline" not too ago.
In that instance a pastor entered into a communal shower area, attired as one who would be showering. But others were attired in bathing suits. Generational differences and customs almost ruined a career.
In an age of appropriate boundaries and their very real need, have we become too hung-up and has it contributed to homophobia?
I even hesistate to bring this up, given the climate of continuing debates within our denominations and others. But since this thread is about "sports", I figured what the heck, its only us guys in here!
Bob
Spurs vs Celtic....Rugby??????
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 27, 2008, 05:57:17 PM
While I would agree bishop that any visualizing would be in the realm of TMI, it has been suggested by more than a few that "hang-ups" abound because of uptighness in recent generations. While I do not expect this observation to receive any comments, nor prompt a thread of its own, in a very clear instance it was the subject of possible "discipline" not too ago.
In that instance a pastor entered into a communal shower area, attired as one who would be showering. But others were attired in bathing suits. Generational differences and customs almost ruined a career.
In an age of appropriate boundaries and their very real need, have we become too hung-up and has it contributed to homophobia?
I even hesistate to bring this up, given the climate of continuing debates within our denominations and others. But since this thread is about "sports", I figured what the heck, its only us guys in here!
Bob
Spurs vs Celtic....Rugby??????

Deacon,

Actually Rugby, Australian Rules FOotball, Women's Badminton, Chess, Tiddleywinks, and of course mini-putt golf are all more exciting than the sport that is far past its time .... heck even the olympics, which likea synchonized swimming, trampoline prancing, and hurling determined that baseball was too slow a sport.  (heck I might even root for Favre before watching the game that hasn't been the same since YAZ retired.

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 27, 2008, 06:06:10 PM
Life.  Hope.  Manana.  Santana.

As to showers, etc., I had a major run-in with a guy who insisted that anyone in the YMCA sauna had to be clothed, as opposed to me.  I kind of went (in Spanish, of course), "It's a sauna, dude.  Do you want me to put on a suit and tie?  Gimme a break."  What I think he wanted was to tie me up in a lawsuit.

Times have changed, but in some ways for the crazier.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 27, 2008, 07:13:50 PM
Life.  Hope.  Manana.  Santana.

As to showers, etc., I had a major run-in with a guy who insisted that anyone in the YMCA sauna had to be clothed, as opposed to me.  I kind of went (in Spanish, of course), "It's a sauna, dude.  Do you want me to put on a suit and tie?  Gimme a break."  What I think he wanted was to tie me up in a lawsuit.

Times have changed, but in some ways for the crazier.

Dave Benke

Dr. Benke,
Suit and Tie?  Yer not baptist!  Full high mass regalia, instead, including a mitre and cope, and gold inlaid Crook!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SCPO on September 27, 2008, 09:00:47 PM

You misspelled Red Wings repeat.  ;D

-ghp

    Agree.  With the addition of Hossa, they should repeat.   However, Dallas and San Jose are out there lurking.

    By the way, did anyone catch the 2nd half of the Wisconsin game??? :D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on September 27, 2008, 09:37:17 PM

You misspelled Red Wings repeat.  ;D

-ghp

    Agree.  With the addition of Hossa, they should repeat.   However, Dallas and San Jose are out there lurking.

    By the way, did anyone catch the 2nd half of the Wisconsin game??? :D

Michigan is not, as they say, good. Bucky's gotta feel real bad about giving that game away. I'll take the win, though, no matter how hard Big Blue tried to give it away at the very end.  ;D  Just so long as they beat Sparty & the rest of the mid-tier Big 10 pack, I can even rationalize getting smacked by JoPa & tOSU.  Ultimately, I put most of the blame on Lloyd Carr for Michigan's talent woes, as I think he knew the cupboard was going to be rather bare, and that played a big role in why he rode off into the retirement sunset when he did...

-ghp
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on September 27, 2008, 09:37:27 PM
Nevermind.
Nevermind indeed.  The NL East has a champion.  Sorry Matt.  We'll see on the last day of the season if my previous prediction about both contenders from the East making the playoffs is correct.  Agreed that Santana is earning his money for his club.  I really expected the Brewers to fade after the manager getting the axe.

Sterling Spatz
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 28, 2008, 12:05:22 AM
Nevermind.
Nevermind indeed.  The NL East has a champion.  Sorry Matt.  We'll see on the last day of the season if my previous prediction about both contenders from the East making the playoffs is correct.  Agreed that Santana is earning his money for his club.  I really expected the Brewers to fade after the manager getting the axe.

Sterling Spatz

It's ok, as long as we win, we're in.  I'm not nearly offended by Philadelphia because who really cares about that city anyway?  Best things about the city are a cracked bell from 1776 and "Rocky."  Unfortunately for Philadelphia, Rocky is fiction.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 28, 2008, 01:02:00 PM
Don't forget about the Philly cheese steak
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Lutheran_Lay_Leader on September 28, 2008, 01:15:30 PM
Don't forget about the Philly cheese steak

All it takes is one Primanti Brothers sandwich at PNC Park, and Philly cheese steaks will be replaced in your mind permanently. The only downside is that you'd have to sit through a Pirate game.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 28, 2008, 03:02:31 PM
Well my mentality is just win, but you are correct on the tiebreakers.  If both teams lose/win there will be a game 163 of the season at Shea Stadium.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 28, 2008, 04:39:21 PM
CC Sabathia and Ryan Braun --- Go Brewers!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on September 28, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
The Mets better start hitting the ball...

Kansas City, too. At least the ChiSox did their part, and will ensure that they'll play the makeup game agin Detroit tomorrow...

-ghp
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 28, 2008, 04:45:59 PM
Now all the Twins have to do is hold their lead and beat the White Sox tomorrow.  Go Twins!!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on September 28, 2008, 04:55:38 PM
Now all the Twins have to do is hold their lead and beat the White Sox tomorrow.  Go Twins!!!!

Nope. If the Twinkies hold on today, they'll keep their 0.5 game lead. That'll mean that the ChiSox need to play their 162nd game -- a makeup game vs. Detroit -- in order to see if they need the 1-game playoff against the Twinkies to determine the AL Central Champs. If the Sox beat Detroit, there's a playoff, if they lose, the Twinkies get to go right in.

And if, hoping against hope, the Royals come back today, the Sox will have a 0.5 game lead, and will need to play the 162nd game against the Tigers as well. But, this time, if the Sox win, they win the Central, no playoff needed, and if they lose, then they need the playoff against the Twinkies.

-ghp
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 28, 2008, 04:59:47 PM
Duh, I knew that.  I was mixing up the Brew Crew scenerio with the Twins/Sox scenerio.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 28, 2008, 07:19:54 PM
RIP, Mets, 2008.  RIP, Shea Stadium.  The after-party was nice, but tempered a bit by another crushing loss served up by untimely non-hitting and non-relief relievers, and that's it and that's all.   The Marlins rubbed it in at the end by staying on the field going through an elaborate ritual of hugs bumps and stuff - absolutely bush league, showing up not so much the Mets team, but the fans.  I'll have that in the memory bank for awhile.

But ........Dave Kingman was there.  Kong.  Those moon shot homers into the night years ago.  And lots of the 86 team.  And Willie Mays.  And Yogi.  And Darryl.  And Rusty.  And Doc Gooden.  And the finale of the ceremony closing the stadium was Tom Seaver throwing the last pitch to Mike Piazza, and then they walked slowly out to center field and through the gate while Billy Joel (tape) sang New York State of Mind.   Very nice.  Although our hearts have been broken on the last day of the season two years in a row, we'll be back.

Great church though this morning in Brooklyn, where a new missionary was installed at a local altar, St. Peter's, with all kinds of great Word (Yohannes Mengesteab) and Meal.  The feast after the Foretaste of the Feast to come had about thirty countries on display in the parish hall.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 28, 2008, 07:21:13 PM
While we were at the Mets game I think Favre threw for six TDs for the Jets today.  Wild.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on September 28, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
But ........Dave Kingman was there.  Kong.  Those moon shot homers into the night years ago. Dave Benke

In a few years when they tear down the Metrodome, I hope Dave Kingman shows up.  His towering pop up  is still rolling around in the teflon roof somewhere when it went through one of the vents. A few others have hit the roof but no one has lost one up into it.

Meanwhile the Twins and White Sox tried to give each other the Central Division crown.  One team will eventually limp into first place and go on to play Tampa Bay.  Mauer got another AL batting title.  Everyone should appreciate what a gem he is, an excellent catcher with the sweetest little swing in the AL.

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 29, 2008, 10:02:46 AM
Yeah, Mauer is good but he is no Mike Redmond.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Luke Zimmerman on September 29, 2008, 11:32:26 AM
With condolences to Bp. Benke, I am ecstatic over the Milwaukee Brewers' appearance in the playoffs (even if it is as a Wild Card): 26 years of disappointment gone in a Sunday afternoon!

This week, I will be at home, on my La-Z-Boy in suburban Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, watching the games while drinking Leinie's Oktoberfest (found at a store even here in Pennsylvania), and foregoing cheesesteaks as long as the series lasts.

In 1982, I was a kindergartner in St. Louis (when my father was at seminary) and was the only Brewers fan in the whole school caught behind the Cardinal red curtain, taunted for wearing a Brewers cap as the Cardinals took the World Series 4 games to 3.  But 26 years later in the circle of life, there will once again be a displaced Brewers fan behind another (Philly)-red curtain, still proudly wearing Brewers blue. And I will wear that with pride next week in Philadelphia and then in New Jersey at the English District Pastors' Conference, no matter the result of the games.

LTZ!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Keith Falk on September 29, 2008, 11:54:21 AM
With condolences to Bp. Benke, I am ecstatic over the Milwaukee Brewers' appearance in the playoffs (even if it is as a Wild Card): 26 years of disappointment gone in a Sunday afternoon!

This week, I will be at home, on my La-Z-Boy in suburban Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, watching the games while drinking Leinie's Oktoberfest (found at a store even here in Pennsylvania), and foregoing cheesesteaks as long as the series lasts.

In 1982, I was a kindergartner in St. Louis (when my father was at seminary) and was the only Brewers fan in the whole school caught behind the Cardinal red curtain, taunted for wearing a Brewers cap as the Cardinals took the World Series 4 games to 3.  But 26 years later in the circle of life, there will once again be a displaced Brewers fan behind another (Philly)-red curtain, still proudly wearing Brewers blue. And I will wear that with pride next week in Philadelphia and then in New Jersey at the English District Pastors' Conference, no matter the result of the games.

LTZ!

Why in the world would you drink Leinie's Oktoberfest when you live in PA and can get your hands on some Yuengling?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Scott5 on September 29, 2008, 12:02:17 PM
Why in the world would you drink Leinie's Oktoberfest when you live in PA and can get your hands on some Yuengling?

Why in the world do either when there's Bell's beer to be had?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Luke Zimmerman on September 29, 2008, 12:22:13 PM
Why in the world would you drink Leinie's Oktoberfest when you live in PA and can get your hands on some Yuengling?

Two reasons:

(a) Yuengling is always available (a nice perk of living in Pennsylvania), while the Leinie's Oktoberfest is seasonal.

(b) Leinie's is Wisconsin-made and available (Sprecher is basically impossible to get around here), and so is much more appropriate to drink instead of Pennsylvania-made Yuengling while the Milwaukee Brewers play the Philadelphia Phillies.

LTZ
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 29, 2008, 05:01:59 PM
Whenever I visit my mom in Baltimore, I always pick up Yuengling (Their porter is real nice).  I still have a 1/2 case of their porter, lager, and black&tan.

Plus, I live in Wisconsin, so I have an ample supply of Leinie's Oktoberfest, Sprecher Oktoberfest and Russian Imperial Stout.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 07, 2008, 08:20:45 AM
It's all about saltwater rolling like the tide over the freshwater midwest.  So the Second City bows out of the playoffs entirely, its North and Southside contingents beaten by saltwater precincts on the left and south coasts, with Beer City taken out by the east coast.  Lake Michigan, always in my opinion improperly named by the state on the wrong side, is under salt water.  In the remaining conflict, the saltwater east beats the saltwater west on a missed suicide squeeze.  So it's east meets west in the NL and east meats east in retirement in the AL.  This is for Missouri Synod observers highly significant.  Highly.  Significant.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on October 08, 2008, 05:05:34 PM
It's all about saltwater rolling like the tide over the freshwater midwest.  So the Second City bows out of the playoffs entirely, its North and Southside contingents beaten by saltwater precincts on the left and south coasts, with Beer City taken out by the east coast.  Lake Michigan, always in my opinion improperly named by the state on the wrong side, is under salt water.  In the remaining conflict, the saltwater east beats the saltwater west on a missed suicide squeeze.  So it's east meets west in the NL and east meats east in retirement in the AL.  This is for Missouri Synod observers highly significant.  Highly.  Significant.

Dave Benke


Actually I like the idea of thinknig what Steinbrenner must be thinking right now - does he root for/against his hated Bostonian Nemesis, or His former coach?

That, and should it be the battle of hometowns ( i presently live about as far from Chavez Ravine as I grew up from Fenway) ManRam gets a ring no matter what!

And the dreaded Yankees are out!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on October 29, 2008, 11:19:32 PM
And to cap off the 2008 baseball season, during which this thread originated, it's a good night to be a Phillies fan!  (Which requires the patience of Job.)  Taking the Series 4-1 against the Rays.   ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 09, 2009, 02:15:41 PM
How about the World Baseball Classic?  I like the USA team this time. 

I hasten to add that I like the Mets this year.  And that I believe a have a ticket to Opening Night at Citi Field.  At $.73 a share for CitiCorp, I'm thinking to buy the naming rights.  What should we name it?

Sitting at home during the day, something that happens once every five years or so, I just watched "Nine Innings From Ground Zero" on MLB, which chronicles Shea and Yankee Stadiums and how baseball lifted the city in 2001.  There's a great anecdote I hadn't heard in the show.  George Bush comes to game four at Yankee, to show no fear and to throw out the first ball.  He himself tells the story of how he goes to the batting cage underneath the stadium to warm up, and who should walk in but Derek Jeter.  Jeter asks, "Where are you going to throw the first pitch from?"  Bush replies, "below the mound on the grass."  Jeter says, "You don't want to do that.  This is Yankee Stadium.  They expect you to pitch from the mound.  They'll boo you if you're not up there."  Bush thanks Jeter, Jeter is about to exit the batting cage, and on the way out says, "You don't want to bounce it, either.  They'll boo that too."  Bush, who was relaxed and presidential, now says he becomes the rookie with his first major league assignment.  He walks out, feeling the pulse of New York, and steps up to the mound itself and throws a strike, right down the middle. 

That year, Mets fans cheered for the Yankees in the World Series.  That year, and the interviews are in the show, fans in Fenway stood and cheered for New York and for the Yankees. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on March 09, 2009, 02:23:09 PM
What should we name it?

The Polo Grounds.

Pax, Steven+
Go Angels!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on March 09, 2009, 02:34:05 PM

Pastor Benke,

Two things, who beat the Yankees in 2001? :)

Secondly, as to Citi Field, considering they got TARP money, how about "Bailout Ballfield" or "Taxpayer Stadium"?

Jeff Ruby
(Dbacks fan, and already been to two spring training games in 80 degree weather)

How about the World Baseball Classic?  I like the USA team this time. 

I hasten to add that I like the Mets this year.  And that I believe a have a ticket to Opening Night at Citi Field.  At $.73 a share for CitiCorp, I'm thinking to buy the naming rights.  What should we name it?

Sitting at home during the day, something that happens once every five years or so, I just watched "Nine Innings From Ground Zero" on MLB, which chronicles Shea and Yankee Stadiums and how baseball lifted the city in 2001.  There's a great anecdote I hadn't heard in the show.  George Bush comes to game four at Yankee, to show no fear and to throw out the first ball.  He himself tells the story of how he goes to the batting cage underneath the stadium to warm up, and who should walk in but Derek Jeter.  Jeter asks, "Where are you going to throw the first pitch from?"  Bush replies, "below the mound on the grass."  Jeter says, "You don't want to do that.  This is Yankee Stadium.  They expect you to pitch from the mound.  They'll boo you if you're not up there."  Bush thanks Jeter, Jeter is about to exit the batting cage, and on the way out says, "You don't want to bounce it, either.  They'll boo that too."  Bush, who was relaxed and presidential, now says he becomes the rookie with his first major league assignment.  He walks out, feeling the pulse of New York, and steps up to the mound itself and throws a strike, right down the middle. 

That year, Mets fans cheered for the Yankees in the World Series.  That year, and the interviews are in the show, fans in Fenway stood and cheered for New York and for the Yankees. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 09, 2009, 02:40:55 PM
How about the World Baseball Classic?  I like the USA team this time. 

I hasten to add that I like the Mets this year.  And that I believe a have a ticket to Opening Night at Citi Field.  At $.73 a share for CitiCorp, I'm thinking to buy the naming rights.  What should we name it?

Sitting at home during the day, something that happens once every five years or so, I just watched "Nine Innings From Ground Zero" on MLB, which chronicles Shea and Yankee Stadiums and how baseball lifted the city in 2001.  There's a great anecdote I hadn't heard in the show.  George Bush comes to game four at Yankee, to show no fear and to throw out the first ball.  He himself tells the story of how he goes to the batting cage underneath the stadium to warm up, and who should walk in but Derek Jeter.  Jeter asks, "Where are you going to throw the first pitch from?"  Bush replies, "below the mound on the grass."  Jeter says, "You don't want to do that.  This is Yankee Stadium.  They expect you to pitch from the mound.  They'll boo you if you're not up there."  Bush thanks Jeter, Jeter is about to exit the batting cage, and on the way out says, "You don't want to bounce it, either.  They'll boo that too."  Bush, who was relaxed and presidential, now says he becomes the rookie with his first major league assignment.  He walks out, feeling the pulse of New York, and steps up to the mound itself and throws a strike, right down the middle. 

That year, Mets fans cheered for the Yankees in the World Series.  That year, and the interviews are in the show, fans in Fenway stood and cheered for New York and for the Yankees. 

Dave Benke

Couple things:

WBC is a joke.  Send Met players back to Port St. Lucie ASAP

How bout citY Field with a "Y" replacing the "I."  Not much reconstruction needed for that and since taxpayers did foot a nice portion it would be the City's field!  Although based on taxpayer money Yankee Stadium II (or III depending on who you ask) would have to be Taxpayer Park.

Great story about that exchange between then President Bush and SS Derek Jeter.  I had heard that before, from that program actually, but it's always a goodie to hear.  As far as rooting for the Yankees as a Met fan in the World Series that year?  No way jose.  I was pullin hard for the D Backs.  The treatment I received from Yankee fans following the 2000 World Series was still quite fresh in my memory.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on March 09, 2009, 02:45:59 PM


That year, Mets fans cheered for the Yankees in the World Series.  That year, and the interviews are in the show, fans in Fenway stood and cheered for New York and for the Yankees. 

Dave Benke

I doubt if the old Saint Paul Saints and Minneapolis Millers would have reached that degree of spirit of communion. Or the supporters of Norm Coleman and Al Franken. I can also think of ecclesiastical pairs where that might be difficult to bring off....

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 09, 2009, 03:25:25 PM
I like the Polo Grounds - National League connection.   You really can't use Ebbetts Field, who the heck was Ebbetts?  But there is a big tribute to Jackie Robinson inside the complex, even as there is a winding accident-haven called the Jackie Robinson Parkway, formerly known as the Interboro, that I use regularly. 

City Field would be appropriate as well.  Why should it be named after a failed bank that is taking my life's savings and making them mincemeat?

Matt will remember that the first ball game in NYC after September 11 was at Shea on Friday the 21st of September.  Unbelievably emotional.  And Mike Piazza hit a game-winning homer to beat the Braves. 

On the 23rd of September down in the Yankee locker room prior to the Prayer for America event, all - I mean all - of the pictures were from the 2000 Series.  I remember them and I remember my reaction spoken to some of the dignitaries in attendance. 

Of course, the D'Backs did win, on a hit off Mariano if I'm not mistaken.  Which didn't make me too unhappy, because it was all about America at that time and not just NYC.  But Jeter's two plays in those playoffs will always be remembered.  My belief is that Jose Reyes has a couple of those up his sleeve - and yes, watching, as I am, a spring training Mets game with nobody there from the middle of the lineup because they're all at the WBC is weird, but at least it passes the time for those with flu-like symptoms.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on March 09, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
Pres. Benke, hope you are dealing well with the flu.  If you need to replenish fluids, try some Gatorade G2- low cal.  (And then when you are feeling well and refreshed, you could have a Gatorade bath to celebrate your triumph over the illness.

I'm sandwhiched between Philly, Baltimore, and DC.  Living in the remote NE corner of MD I am able to watch all three teams on basic cable, and with family in the DC area, I have high hopes for the Nats.  I think they may make a run at third!  (It's still a good thing that baseball has returned to the most important city in the world and our Nation's Capitol.  A wrong was righted.  And it gives Thomas Boswell a team to write about on a regular basis.  Bos is the best!  washingtonpost.com) 

Sorry to say, I'm not sold on Santana's health, so I think the Mets will finish second and the Phightin' Phils will win again.   

Hope you feel better soon.  Opening Day on the doorstep should be decent medicine.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on March 09, 2009, 04:09:14 PM
Jeremy,

Now is the time to catch Orioles fever!!  Matt Wieters looks like he could hit .300 and he hasn't even had a full year in the minors plus Markakis, Roberts, Jones, and Huff with plenty of young arms led by Guthrie.  For the first time in many a year, I am optimistic about them O's.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 09, 2009, 04:23:40 PM
I remember that Piazza home run the first ball game back in NYC after 9/11 vividly.  I still get choked up watching that moment.  Bob Murphy with a classic call on that HR too.

Johan's arm is fine.  The Mets have long had a history of being dopes and the players usually turn out to be the ones telling the truth in all circumstances.  Johan says he's fine and WILL pitch opening day.  Mets with a better rotation than the Phillies, a better bullpen, and similar offense will take the division...IF all goes according to plan of course.

M. Staneck


Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on March 09, 2009, 04:24:25 PM
Jackie Robinson Field would be good.  Of course, the ULCA Bruins (for whom Jackie played) play at Jackie Robinson Stadium.  Could New Yorkers accept copying something from West Los Angeles?

Pax, Steven+
expat Angeleno
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 09, 2009, 04:27:15 PM
Jackie Robinson Field would be good.  Of course, the ULCA Bruins (for whom Jackie played) play at Jackie Robinson Stadium.  Could New Yorkers accept copying something from West Los Angeles?

Pax, Steven+
expat Angeleno

Jackie Robinson wasn't a Met though, it doesn't make too much sense to name the stadium after him.  The rotunda thing inside the new ballpark is neat, but Jackie Robinson was a Dodger, not a Met.  So it would be wise to steer clear of that IMO.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: James_Gale on March 09, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Jackie Robinson Field would be good.  Of course, the ULCA Bruins (for whom Jackie played) play at Jackie Robinson Stadium.  Could New Yorkers accept copying something from West Los Angeles?

Pax, Steven+
expat Angeleno

Jackie Robinson wasn't a Met though, it doesn't make too much sense to name the stadium after him.  The rotunda thing inside the new ballpark is neat, but Jackie Robinson was a Dodger, not a Met.  So it would be wise to steer clear of that IMO.

M. Staneck

I would make some suggestions, but I've decided to keep them to myself.

You see, I'm a Cubs fan.  The first year I remember following baseball as a boy was 1969.  And, well, I'm not over it.  So you see, my suggestions would not be very nice.

I lived in New York for about 14 years, and never had any trouble rooting for the Yankees.  They're in that other league with the funny rules, after all.

But the Mets,  . . . .
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on March 09, 2009, 05:31:00 PM

I spied a T Shirt at the Cubs game in Mesa the other day I went to.

 "Cubs fan.  World Champions 1908.One World Series Win in 101 years Ain't Bad"

Jeff Ruby

Jackie Robinson Field would be good.  Of course, the ULCA Bruins (for whom Jackie played) play at Jackie Robinson Stadium.  Could New Yorkers accept copying something from West Los Angeles?

Pax, Steven+
expat Angeleno

Jackie Robinson wasn't a Met though, it doesn't make too much sense to name the stadium after him.  The rotunda thing inside the new ballpark is neat, but Jackie Robinson was a Dodger, not a Met.  So it would be wise to steer clear of that IMO.

M. Staneck

I would make some suggestions, but I've decided to keep them to myself.

You see, I'm a Cubs fan.  The first year I remember following baseball as a boy was 1969.  And, well, I'm not over it.  So you see, my suggestions would not be very nice.

I lived in New York for about 14 years, and never had any trouble rooting for the Yankees.  They're in that other league with the funny rules, after all.

But the Mets,  . . . .
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: James_Gale on March 09, 2009, 05:51:16 PM

I spied a T Shirt at the Cubs game in Mesa the other day I went to.

 "Cubs fan.  World Champions 1908.One World Series Win in 101 years Ain't Bad"

Jeff Ruby

Jackie Robinson Field would be good.  Of course, the ULCA Bruins (for whom Jackie played) play at Jackie Robinson Stadium.  Could New Yorkers accept copying something from West Los Angeles?

Pax, Steven+
expat Angeleno

Jackie Robinson wasn't a Met though, it doesn't make too much sense to name the stadium after him.  The rotunda thing inside the new ballpark is neat, but Jackie Robinson was a Dodger, not a Met.  So it would be wise to steer clear of that IMO.

M. Staneck

I would make some suggestions, but I've decided to keep them to myself.

You see, I'm a Cubs fan.  The first year I remember following baseball as a boy was 1969.  And, well, I'm not over it.  So you see, my suggestions would not be very nice.

I lived in New York for about 14 years, and never had any trouble rooting for the Yankees.  They're in that other league with the funny rules, after all.

But the Mets,  . . . .

It's really not fair.  Your team has only been around a few years, and they've won the thing. The Cubs haven't won since about 10 years before they moved to Wrigley Field.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on March 09, 2009, 05:58:53 PM

James,

I hear you. Many people have noted the same thing about the Marlins and other expansion teams. Let's face it, Colangelo bought the series by anteing up to pay Schilling and Johnson. Without those two aces, we would have never had a chance.

As Bishop Benke notes, Gonzalez hit off Rivera was a a floater and cheap hit but we won. I was there for Game Seven and the ball seemed to hang forever, I thought Jeter had it. It really was the thrill of my life to be there, of course next to my wedding day and birth of kids . I split season tickets with two others and we all got to one game in the series , we agreed if we went to seven we would draw names out of a hat. Only thing I ever won in my life. I was sitting 10 rows away from Mayor Giualini .

IF it makes you feel any better, we are still paying 60 million a year in deferred comp from the 2001 team salaries. That is why we haven't gotten beyond the NL West second round in seven years...............

Jeff Ruby 


I spied a T Shirt at the Cubs game in Mesa the other day I went to.

 "Cubs fan.  World Champions 1908.One World Series Win in 101 years Ain't Bad"

Jeff Ruby

Jackie Robinson Field would be good.  Of course, the ULCA Bruins (for whom Jackie played) play at Jackie Robinson Stadium.  Could New Yorkers accept copying something from West Los Angeles?

Pax, Steven+
expat Angeleno

Jackie Robinson wasn't a Met though, it doesn't make too much sense to name the stadium after him.  The rotunda thing inside the new ballpark is neat, but Jackie Robinson was a Dodger, not a Met.  So it would be wise to steer clear of that IMO.

M. Staneck

I would make some suggestions, but I've decided to keep them to myself.

You see, I'm a Cubs fan.  The first year I remember following baseball as a boy was 1969.  And, well, I'm not over it.  So you see, my suggestions would not be very nice.

I lived in New York for about 14 years, and never had any trouble rooting for the Yankees.  They're in that other league with the funny rules, after all.

But the Mets,  . . . .

It's really not fair.  Your team has only been around a few years, and they've won the thing. The Cubs haven't won since about 10 years before they moved to Wrigley Field.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on March 09, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
The Cubs haven't won since about 10 years before they moved to Wrigley Field.

First, the original "Wrigley Field" was in Los Angeles.  The one in Chicago was still called "Cubs Park" at the time.

Second, the Cubs were regularly in the World Series for 3 decades following their last World Championship, with one more appearance in 1945.  Since then there have been several eras of considerable, though not total, success on the field, one of which is right now.

Third, only the New York Yankees can try to get away with the idea that anything other than a World Championship is "losing."

Fourth, the site of Wrigley Field in Chicago was once a Lutheran seminary.

Fifth, in yesterday's Gospel (at least in the RCL) Jesus instructed those who wanted to become his followers to take up their cross.  How can we not be Cubs fans?

 ;)

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on March 09, 2009, 06:57:05 PM
Just wait until next year. Just getting ahead of the curve, as I believe the Cubs have been mathematicaly eliminated already.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: James_Gale on March 09, 2009, 07:28:31 PM
First, I am envious of Pr. Ruby's experience at Game 7 in 2001.  When I lived in NY, I shared Yankees tickets with a fairly large group of friends.  I got to some World Series games, but never a deciding game.  Wow.  Just, wow.

Now, back to my Cubs.  Pr. Tibbetts posted some very important information for you Cubs skeptics out there.

And Pr. Speckhard, you obviously do not understand what it means to be a Cubs fan.  You might mock us.  Fine.  We wear your mocking with pride.  (And by the way, are you a Brewers fan?  Goodness.)

We don't start saying "wait 'til next year" before the season starts.  Ever.  Oh, to be sure, somewhere deep inside, each of us knows that the laws of physics somehow will prevent the Cubs from ever winning the Series.  But we suppress that.  And we permit ourselves to continue hoping as long as the team is winning just enough games to keep the hope alive.  Sometimes, we're done by June.  But usually not.  And in recent years, as during some other stretches in history (the inter-war years, I think), we've been able to keep hoping all the way into the post-season.

And as long as the hope lives, we permit ourselves to dream of a championship.  It's the kind of euphoric dream you permit yourself for just a moment after you buy the Lotto ticket that you are certain will be worthless within hours.  But hey, what if . . . ?  What if?  Maybe, somehow, this is the year.  And the hope and the dream are good.  Very good.

No, Pr. Speckhard, I'm afraid you'll never understand.

 ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on March 09, 2009, 09:55:22 PM
Matt, I have some optimism regarding the O's too.  Grew up with them when I was a boy in Hagerstown, MD.  Got to meet Cal when he came to Hagerstown to watch Billy play an A-ball game.  We're Markakis fans.  My oldest son won a drawing at the library and got to go on the field for Maryland Public Library night.  He met Nick Markakis and the Oriole Bird.  I think he liked the Bird better.  I tried to teach him how to spell O-R-I-O-L-E-S but he kept getting confused with O-H-I-O.

I like Camden Yards, but Memorial Stadium will always have a place in my heart.

Perhaps the Metropolitans should name their new playpen Memorial Stadium.  When asked who is being memorialized, they could simply and rightly say, "Everybody."  From those who died in the fire at the Triangle Shirt Waist Company to fallen cops and firefighters to those who helped build the subway system to all the servicemen and women.  Memorial Stadium would be a fitting name for the ball park the Mets play in.  Either that or "We have a nice ball park but we'll still never be as good as the St. Louis Cardinals".  I like that name better because it's catchy, rolls off the tongue nicely and is accurate.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 11, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
Memorial Stadium, although used, is a GREAT idea for the Mets new home.

Speaking of the WBC, which I have had opportunity to watch with flu-like symptoms, the Netherlands/Dominican game last night was extraordinarily good baseball for any time of the year, with the Netherlands just hanging on and hanging in, old Bertie Blyleven, the Nederland pitching coach, standing proud as they held off all these allstars all night long.  $83 million in major league salaries on the Dominican, $400,000 on the Netherlands, where they call it HonkBall. 

Honk on, Amsterdam, and Rotterdam, Reformed Bastions.  You go, Heterodoxic Honkballers!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on March 11, 2009, 02:17:24 PM
Jeremy,

I remember when Camden Yards opened and a certain teacher at Baltimore Lutheran gave me an "excuse" so I could attend  opening day.   Memorial Stadium will always have a special place in my heart too.  It was, after all, the place where I first met Cal Ripken.  Got his autograph. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 11, 2009, 02:32:41 PM
Memorial Stadium, although used, is a GREAT idea for the Mets new home.

Speaking of the WBC, which I have had opportunity to watch with flu-like symptoms, the Netherlands/Dominican game last night was extraordinarily good baseball for any time of the year, with the Netherlands just hanging on and hanging in, old Bertie Blyleven, the Nederland pitching coach, standing proud as they held off all these allstars all night long.  $83 million in major league salaries on the Dominican, $400,000 on the Netherlands, where they call it HonkBall. 

Honk on, Amsterdam, and Rotterdam, Reformed Bastions.  You go, Heterodoxic Honkballers!

Dave Benke

Pedro three scoreless for DR.  Sadly the Mets wont sign him.  Why not bring him in as a five starter?  Guy has an electric personality and everyone else vying for the five spot are bums!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on March 11, 2009, 03:48:57 PM
First, I am envious of Pr. Ruby's experience at Game 7 in 2001.  When I lived in NY, I shared Yankees tickets with a fairly large group of friends.  I got to some World Series games, but never a deciding game.  Wow.  Just, wow.

Now, back to my Cubs.  Pr. Tibbetts posted some very important information for you Cubs skeptics out there.

And Pr. Speckhard, you obviously do not understand what it means to be a Cubs fan.  You might mock us.  Fine.  We wear your mocking with pride.  (And by the way, are you a Brewers fan?  Goodness.)

We don't start saying "wait 'til next year" before the season starts.  Ever.  Oh, to be sure, somewhere deep inside, each of us knows that the laws of physics somehow will prevent the Cubs from ever winning the Series.  But we suppress that.  And we permit ourselves to continue hoping as long as the team is winning just enough games to keep the hope alive.  Sometimes, we're done by June.  But usually not.  And in recent years, as during some other stretches in history (the inter-war years, I think), we've been able to keep hoping all the way into the post-season.

And as long as the hope lives, we permit ourselves to dream of a championship.  It's the kind of euphoric dream you permit yourself for just a moment after you buy the Lotto ticket that you are certain will be worthless within hours.  But hey, what if . . . ?  What if?  Maybe, somehow, this is the year.  And the hope and the dream are good.  Very good.

No, Pr. Speckhard, I'm afraid you'll never understand.

 ;)
Never understand? I, who used to run home from school in order to miss as little as possible of any Cubs game? I, who actually actually rewrote the words to our 4th grade spring musical to about Noah's Ark to be about Jack Brickhouse shouting "Hey Hey!"? I, who actually cried in front of my family as a ninth grader when the Cubs gagged away a two game lead in a best of five playoff in 84? I, whose father comforted me on said occassion by saying, "Yeah, they did the same thing to me in 1945." Don't tell me I wouldn't understand. The difference for me is that in college I gave up on major league baseball altogether because of the strike. The league ruins the sport. Until they get drug-testing, get rid of free-agency, and get a salary cap, Major League baseball will remain a silly league. I got sick of the Cubs when every year they started with Ryne Sandberg and eight guys who weren't on the team the previous year. You could never get into the team, but only into individual players who switch teams incessantly. And without a salary cap you can't even root for your team to make shrewd deals because it is never a matter a shrewdness but always and only which owner has more money. And the trade deadline isn't until practically the weekend before the playoffs, so teams can give up on the season early or stockpile guys for a post-season run who weren't even on the team for most of the year. How many times do Roger Clemes and Randy Johnson get to pick which team they'll play for about two thirds of the way through the season (often hopping between arch-rivals) when they can limit their search to contenders and then only have to pitch about ten games before the playoffs before people say, "Hey, you know what's stupid? This!"

Now, don't get me wrong. I still enjoy a day at the ol' ballpark every now and then, but I'm not particular about who is playing. I have made the difficult, intentional choice to remain emotionally uninvested in baseball.     
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Iowegian on March 16, 2009, 03:36:05 PM
The difference for me is that in college I gave up on major league baseball altogether because of the strike. The league ruins the sport. Until they get drug-testing, get rid of free-agency, and get a salary cap, Major League baseball will remain a silly league. I got sick of the Cubs when every year they started with Ryne Sandberg and eight guys who weren't on the team the previous year.

I can relate - I grew up a big Twins fan, when Kirby Puckett, Kent Hrbeck, etc. were staples of the team year after year (age bias - I grew up in the 80s).  After that strike (early 90s?) the teams came back and it was a group of people I'd never heard of and I'd moved away from the area where you might hear regular radio broadcasts. 

I lost interest in MLB at that point and never went back. 

(... but Bert Blyleven was coaching for the Netherlands?)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on March 23, 2009, 02:45:32 PM

As someone who has just seen about four cactus league games iin four weeks in four different parks, I can't understand how someone can blame all the problems on current MLB issues as a reason to not follow the game or get into it.

Peter, I agree that there is a lot wrong with MLB, from  juiced players (did you notice how much smaller some are now? ) to the salary cap, free agency, etc.

However, MLB has ALWAYS had issue. A cursory history of baseball will tell you that. Leo Durocher back in the forties scandalized the league by marrying a divorced actress whose divorce was final one day previous to the wedding. Owners regulary showed up drunk, such as Stoneham with the NY Giants and many others. Players showed up to games drunk. Wrigley and O'Malley schemed to move the Dodgers West, and Wrigley sold some rights to LA for O'Malley in exchange for the Cubbies getting rights to spring training here in AZ.  Before free agency, the owners literally treated some players as slaves...

So, while there is a lot not to like about MLB, it is still a great game. As Salinger said in Field of Dreams (book, not movie)


 "The one constant in our country is baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers, been erased, rebuilt, and erased again. But  baseball remiinds us of who we are, what we once were, and could be again. It reminds us of all that is good about ourselves."

James Earl Jones does it better ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOLX9R8Ncc



So yeah , there are issues, but there always will be. But the thrill of the grass, the crack of the bat, the smell of frying onions and brats.....good stuff.


Jeff Ruby


First, I am envious of Pr. Ruby's experience at Game 7 in 2001.  When I lived in NY, I shared Yankees tickets with a fairly large group of friends.  I got to some World Series games, but never a deciding game.  Wow.  Just, wow.

Now, back to my Cubs.  Pr. Tibbetts posted some very important information for you Cubs skeptics out there.

And Pr. Speckhard, you obviously do not understand what it means to be a Cubs fan.  You might mock us.  Fine.  We wear your mocking with pride.  (And by the way, are you a Brewers fan?  Goodness.)

We don't start saying "wait 'til next year" before the season starts.  Ever.  Oh, to be sure, somewhere deep inside, each of us knows that the laws of physics somehow will prevent the Cubs from ever winning the Series.  But we suppress that.  And we permit ourselves to continue hoping as long as the team is winning just enough games to keep the hope alive.  Sometimes, we're done by June.  But usually not.  And in recent years, as during some other stretches in history (the inter-war years, I think), we've been able to keep hoping all the way into the post-season.

And as long as the hope lives, we permit ourselves to dream of a championship.  It's the kind of euphoric dream you permit yourself for just a moment after you buy the Lotto ticket that you are certain will be worthless within hours.  But hey, what if . . . ?  What if?  Maybe, somehow, this is the year.  And the hope and the dream are good.  Very good.

No, Pr. Speckhard, I'm afraid you'll never understand.

 ;)
Never understand? I, who used to run home from school in order to miss as little as possible of any Cubs game? I, who actually actually rewrote the words to our 4th grade spring musical to about Noah's Ark to be about Jack Brickhouse shouting "Hey Hey!"? I, who actually cried in front of my family as a ninth grader when the Cubs gagged away a two game lead in a best of five playoff in 84? I, whose father comforted me on said occassion by saying, "Yeah, they did the same thing to me in 1945." Don't tell me I wouldn't understand. The difference for me is that in college I gave up on major league baseball altogether because of the strike. The league ruins the sport. Until they get drug-testing, get rid of free-agency, and get a salary cap, Major League baseball will remain a silly league. I got sick of the Cubs when every year they started with Ryne Sandberg and eight guys who weren't on the team the previous year. You could never get into the team, but only into individual players who switch teams incessantly. And without a salary cap you can't even root for your team to make shrewd deals because it is never a matter a shrewdness but always and only which owner has more money. And the trade deadline isn't until practically the weekend before the playoffs, so teams can give up on the season early or stockpile guys for a post-season run who weren't even on the team for most of the year. How many times do Roger Clemes and Randy Johnson get to pick which team they'll play for about two thirds of the way through the season (often hopping between arch-rivals) when they can limit their search to contenders and then only have to pitch about ten games before the playoffs before people say, "Hey, you know what's stupid? This!"

Now, don't get me wrong. I still enjoy a day at the ol' ballpark every now and then, but I'm not particular about who is playing. I have made the difficult, intentional choice to remain emotionally uninvested in baseball.     
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 30, 2009, 07:03:01 PM
Judy and I have a fifteen game pack for the Mets this season and I may score a few more games along the way.  The review on Citi Field was superb in today's Times.  The hope is that it can become Jackie Robinson Field in a year or two.  Dump on Citi - it's dumped on us.

I would like to add that my St. Peter's Saints took the Consolation Bracket Championship and the individual sportsmanship award at this year's Lutheran Basketball Association tourney at Valpo in the senior division.  I'm going to write a little book on this parish move into hoops entitled "Two Years on the Road."  Since forming the team we have had zero home games.  No gym.  No home court advantage - no home court.  And the coach suffered a heart attack after (or at) the first game, so one of the kids coached them.  We're proud of our Road Warriors, our "pilgrims and wanderers" - the last game they won was against a team from a parish with 2000 members somewhere in Wisconsin. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on March 30, 2009, 07:22:03 PM
I watched one of my confirmands play all the way to the final four of the girls' 8th grade invitational tourney at Valpo this past weekend. (She plays for Pilgrim because she attends school there, but is a member here at Faith; you can tell by the fact that she carries the team  ;)) They ended up coming in third (out of thirty-two), losing to eventual champion Palatine, IL, a team that could beat a lot of high schools. Great tournament, lots of fun. Not often I pay seven bucks to watch a junior high girls' basketball game, but it was worth it. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on June 06, 2009, 01:25:05 AM
There was much celebration at choir practice last night over Randy Johnson's 300th win. Randy's mom is a member of our congregation, and sings soprano in our choir.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 02, 2009, 12:49:36 AM
As the Rangers threaten to fade from the pennant races and the home stretch draws near, I've started looking around to other divisions and the National League.

I've noticed that the Mets are practically out of it this year. My condolences to Matt and Pr. Benke.

Perhaps it's better to know a good month or so before that your team is out of the running. I'm not certain at all though. The Rangers are out of the running almost every year, and this year I plan to savor every minute of potential pennant race I can get even though I know my heart will probably still be broken.   :-\

Mike

On the other hand - your buddy Farve looks good in purple, and Da Bears look so good - it might be the pack and the lions fighting for the bottom!

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 02, 2009, 10:40:07 AM
J & S,

Are you kidding me?  Have you heard how the Packers have been tearing it up this preseason?  In three games, I think the first string offense has had to punt once.  Aaron Rodgers' QB rating is something like 115, scoring on just about every drive he leads.  The first-string defense (even without the top two cornerbacks playing but a couple of quarters) has forced like a dozen turnovers and kept two teams scoreless.  In their last game, against the NFC champion Cardinals, the Packers made the Cards look so bad and were so dominant that the Cardinals' coach kept his starters in for much of the second half, against the Packer second and third teamers (which explains why the score was closer than it should have been, given the HUGE lead GB had at halftime).  The Packers, at least based on the preseason, are the best team in the NFC North -- if not in the entire NFC.  Now, I know that's only preseason but there is PLENTY for Packer fans to be excited about this year -- and one of them is watching Brett Favre throw INT's and divide the Vikings' lockroom, just like he did for the Jets last year!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 02, 2009, 11:18:36 AM
Mr. Gehlhausen,

The thread is entitled "Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists" -- I just assumed that the atheists under consideration were those godless Viking fans.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on September 02, 2009, 02:16:31 PM
Oh but our mighty MN Twinkies are desperately trying to stay relevant at 3.5 games out of first.  The final season in da Dome would be sweet to at least capture one more pennant.  Then we will be watching the games with long woolies next April and September while dodging snowflakes at the new taxpayer funded "outdoor" stadium while inhaling the sweet smells from the Hennepin County garbage burner immediately (and I do mean immediately) upwind from Target Field. 

But watching the Twins on Sunday squander a lead-off double from their #9 hitter reminds me that winning the pennant difficult as it is would result in heartbreak in post-season play.  Failing to get a run that inning was more than frustrating.

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 02, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Mr. Gehlhausen,

The thread is entitled "Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists" -- I just assumed that the atheists under consideration were those godless Viking fans.

Let's see - isn't in the liberals in Wisconsin and the confessional types in Minnesota and Michigan? 

Doesn't matter anyway... Brady is back, and they added more weapons...this year...

As to baseball - probably accurately symbolic about the sport that it will be a LaLa series..

Basketball starts soon!!!! Which is the real Christian Sport...

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 04, 2009, 08:25:04 AM
From today's Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:

"In all, Green Bay's starters played 13 series against Cleveland, Buffalo, Arizona and Tennessee, rolling over the four foes by a combined score of 66-13.  On offense, the Packers' starters ran 74 plays for 646 yards, an 8.7-yard average and 34 first downs.  On defense, the Packers' starters yielded 343 yards in 67 plays (5.1 average) and 17 first downs....Green Bay finished plus-8 in turnover differential. The Packers took the ball away 13 times, more than they have in any of their last 25 exhibition seasons.  Probably the best player on the roster this summer was Aaron Rodgers, who finished with a rating of 147.9 (the maximum is 158.3). After posting a 53.0 mark as a rookie in 2005, Rodgers had exhibition ratings of 101.1 in 2006, 98.3 in '07 and 103.6 in '08.  It's interesting to note that Rodgers' passer rating in his last four exhibition seasons all surpassed the best summer rating by his predecessor, Brett Favre, in his 16 seasons for Green Bay. Favre's all-time best was 93.5 in 1997....In its 13 series, the Packers' No. 1 offense had nine touchdowns and a field goal, one missed field goal, one punt and one failed fourth-and-one.  The 13 series in which the No. 1 defense played ended in seven takeaways, three punts, one touchdown and two field goals."
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Ken Kimball on September 04, 2009, 05:20:30 PM
Since when does pre-season count for anything.  Still start the season 0-0.  And the caliber of foes in meaningless games isn't exactly like playing the Patriots, Giants, Steelers, etc.   Arizona hardly counts as they have stunk this preseason as they often did much of last season.  Of course, I write this as a Vikings fan who admits that the Viking quarterback woes were such that Farve at the end of his career is still better than anyone the Vikings have had over the last five years. 

Ken
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 04, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
From today's Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:

"In all, Green Bay's starters played 13 series against Cleveland, Buffalo, Arizona and Tennessee, rolling over the four foes by a combined score of 66-13.  On offense, the Packers' starters ran 74 plays for 646 yards, an 8.7-yard average and 34 first downs.  On defense, the Packers' starters yielded 343 yards in 67 plays (5.1 average) and 17 first downs....Green Bay finished plus-8 in turnover differential. The Packers took the ball away 13 times, more than they have in any of their last 25 exhibition seasons.  Probably the best player on the roster this summer was Aaron Rodgers, who finished with a rating of 147.9 (the maximum is 158.3). After posting a 53.0 mark as a rookie in 2005, Rodgers had exhibition ratings of 101.1 in 2006, 98.3 in '07 and 103.6 in '08.  It's interesting to note that Rodgers' passer rating in his last four exhibition seasons all surpassed the best summer rating by his predecessor, Brett Favre, in his 16 seasons for Green Bay. Favre's all-time best was 93.5 in 1997....In its 13 series, the Packers' No. 1 offense had nine touchdowns and a field goal, one missed field goal, one punt and one failed fourth-and-one.  The 13 series in which the No. 1 defense played ended in seven takeaways, three punts, one touchdown and two field goals."


See Danny White, Dan Marino,  Jim Kelly.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 05, 2009, 01:10:44 AM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: FatherWilliam57 on September 05, 2009, 01:25:27 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Don't care where Art Moddel moved them, they're still the Browns (east).  Not to be confused with the current Browns (west).

Double your pleasure, double your fun.  Just gives us Steelers fans more to celebrate.  "Send in the Browns, there ought to be Browns...well, maybe next year."

However, we will not discuss the Pirates.  But how 'bout them Penquins?

P.S. - My wife just helped me finish painting the family room in the basement Black and Gold.  It's gonna be a great season!   ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 05, 2009, 01:35:27 AM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.

No, it will be Chicago versus the Patriots, and the Patriots win 35 -10 and a wide receiver with a name other than Moss will be coMVP with Brady
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: George Erdner on September 05, 2009, 01:38:18 AM
P.S. - My wife just helped me finish painting the family room in the basement Black and Gold.  It's gonna be a great season!   ;D


A big AMEN to that!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on September 05, 2009, 10:19:34 AM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.

No, it will be Chicago versus the Patriots, and the Patriots win 35 -10 and a wide receiver with a name other than Moss will be coMVP with Brady
Then it's going to be quite a rollercoaster for the Bears, getting to the Super Bowl after coming in third in the NFC North.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 05, 2009, 11:46:28 AM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.

No, it will be Chicago versus the Patriots, and the Patriots win 35 -10 and a wide receiver with a name other than Moss will be coMVP with Brady
Then it's going to be quite a rollercoaster for the Bears, getting to the Super Bowl after coming in third in the NFC North.

Rev. Speckhard,

Chicago will be 10-6
Minnesota with be 9-7 - having split with the Packers (each losing on their home field)
Detroit will with 7-9 (beating Green Bay twice)
Packers withh be 6-10 (but they will cause the permanent retirement of Farve...)

SO who are the two new teams in the NFC North?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on September 05, 2009, 11:59:18 AM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.

No, it will be Chicago versus the Patriots, and the Patriots win 35 -10 and a wide receiver with a name other than Moss will be coMVP with Brady
Then it's going to be quite a rollercoaster for the Bears, getting to the Super Bowl after coming in third in the NFC North.

Rev. Speckhard,

Chicago will be 10-6
Minnesota with be 9-7 - having split with the Packers (each losing on their home field)
Detroit will with 7-9 (beating Green Bay twice)
Packers withh be 6-10 (but they will cause the permanent retirement of Farve...)

SO who are the two new teams in the NFC North?
I used the quote feature so you can't change these laughable predictions later. This is what I love about the beginning of football season.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 05, 2009, 12:34:52 PM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.

No, it will be Chicago versus the Patriots, and the Patriots win 35 -10 and a wide receiver with a name other than Moss will be coMVP with Brady
Then it's going to be quite a rollercoaster for the Bears, getting to the Super Bowl after coming in third in the NFC North.

Rev. Speckhard,

Chicago will be 10-6
Minnesota with be 9-7 - having split with the Packers (each losing on their home field)
Detroit will with 7-9 (beating Green Bay twice)
Packers withh be 6-10 (but they will cause the permanent retirement of Farve...)

SO who are the two new teams in the NFC North?
I used the quote feature so you can't change these laughable predictions later. This is what I love about the beginning of football season.

O you of little knowledge, I notice you don't put YOUR projections out..... then again, yer probably a Dallas or a Oakland fan...  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on September 05, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.

No, it will be Chicago versus the Patriots, and the Patriots win 35 -10 and a wide receiver with a name other than Moss will be coMVP with Brady
Then it's going to be quite a rollercoaster for the Bears, getting to the Super Bowl after coming in third in the NFC North.

Rev. Speckhard,

Chicago will be 10-6
Minnesota with be 9-7 - having split with the Packers (each losing on their home field)
Detroit will with 7-9 (beating Green Bay twice)
Packers withh be 6-10 (but they will cause the permanent retirement of Farve...)

SO who are the two new teams in the NFC North?
I used the quote feature so you can't change these laughable predictions later. This is what I love about the beginning of football season.

O you of little knowledge, I notice you don't put YOUR projections out..... then again, yer probably a Dallas or a Oakland fan...  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Green Bay, 11-5, 4-2 in the NFC North with a surprise loss to Detroit on Thanksgiving.
Minnesota 10-6 with most of the losses coming with Favre either playing through a debilitating injury or sitting on the bench.
Chicago ballpark .500 with Cutler being up-down like Grossman and griping about his lack of receivers in a way that doesn't sit well with Lovie Smith.
Detroit 5-11 or so.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Bennett on September 05, 2009, 02:41:45 PM

Chicago ballpark .500 with Cutler being up-down like Grossman and griping about his lack of receivers in a way that doesn't sit well with Lovie Smith.


Hmmph.  We'll see.

Mike Bennett
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on September 05, 2009, 04:01:45 PM
Bears: 11-5
Vikings: 9-7
Packers: 8-8  (losing to the Ravens on Monday Night Football.  This game helps the Ravens toward their goal of a championship)
Lions:  Do they still have a team in Detroit?  2-14 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 05, 2009, 05:49:42 PM
One of my elders is giving me his tickets for the Ravens v. Packers game on Monday Night, December 7.  I'm looking forward to seeing my Ravens kick the Packers behind. 

Ravens will be in the Super Bowl.  Joe Flacco will lead them all the way.


Note:  The accusation of being a Cowboy/Raiduh fan was not denied.

Note:  Rev. Speckhard hasn't looked recently at da Bears receiving core.... heck - the WR they got from the Sooners isn't the only top notch wide out they have this year...
No, it will be Chicago versus the Patriots, and the Patriots win 35 -10 and a wide receiver with a name other than Moss will be coMVP with Brady
Then it's going to be quite a rollercoaster for the Bears, getting to the Super Bowl after coming in third in the NFC North.

Rev. Speckhard,

Chicago will be 10-6
Minnesota with be 9-7 - having split with the Packers (each losing on their home field)
Detroit will with 7-9 (beating Green Bay twice)
Packers withh be 6-10 (but they will cause the permanent retirement of Farve...)

SO who are the two new teams in the NFC North?
I used the quote feature so you can't change these laughable predictions later. This is what I love about the beginning of football season.

O you of little knowledge, I notice you don't put YOUR projections out..... then again, yer probably a Dallas or a Oakland fan...  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Green Bay, 11-5, 4-2 in the NFC North with a surprise loss to Detroit on Thanksgiving.
Minnesota 10-6 with most of the losses coming with Favre either playing through a debilitating injury or sitting on the bench.
Chicago ballpark .500 with Cutler being up-down like Grossman and griping about his lack of receivers in a way that doesn't sit well with Lovie Smith.
Detroit 5-11 or so.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 06, 2009, 09:07:14 PM
Some of us, SW, are moving on to football because baseball, ie the Mets, is a lost cause.  In the area of football, of course the Packers will prevail, although the Central Divison is a toughie with the godless Vikings and the gutless Bears in it.  And the Giants, Eagles and always-hated Cowboys are not pushovers either. 

AFC - who cares.  Patriots are not beloved in New York, due to the invariable connection to Red Sox Nation. 

A golf story with a baseball twist - I was on vacation on Cape Cod this summer and went to play golf one day on Martha's Vineyard.  There as we came down a hole on the back nine (one of the courses Obama played the next week), a playing partner said, "look up over that tree."  And there it was - an enormous 100 ft. flagpole on which was the largest flag I've seen, emblazoned with the Yankees logo.  On Martha's Vineyard - the spiritual home of Red Sox Nation.  The guy started laughing at my amazement and went, "who do you think lives there?"  "Someone who knows no fear," I replied.  He said, "you have spoken wisely, Obiwan.  That's the flagpole and flag in the front yard of Spike Lee, who lives here in the summer."   Ha!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 06, 2009, 09:20:13 PM
Mets?

Giants (NFL) and Rangers (NHL) seasons, baby!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 06, 2009, 09:30:49 PM
All other sports are only filler until football (and that means Packers) starts. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 07, 2009, 01:57:28 AM
Some of us, SW, are moving on to football because baseball, ie the Mets, is a lost cause.  In the area of football, of course the Packers will prevail, although the Central Divison is a toughie with the godless Vikings and the gutless Bears in it.  And the Giants, Eagles and always-hated Cowboys are not pushovers either. 

AFC - who cares.  Patriots are not beloved in New York, due to the invariable connection to Red Sox Nation. 

A golf story with a baseball twist - I was on vacation on Cape Cod this summer and went to play golf one day on Martha's Vineyard.  There as we came down a hole on the back nine (one of the courses Obama played the next week), a playing partner said, "look up over that tree."  And there it was - an enormous 100 ft. flagpole on which was the largest flag I've seen, emblazoned with the Yankees logo.  On Martha's Vineyard - the spiritual home of Red Sox Nation.  The guy started laughing at my amazement and went, "who do you think lives there?"  "Someone who knows no fear," I replied.  He said, "you have spoken wisely, Obiwan.  That's the flagpole and flag in the front yard of Spike Lee, who lives here in the summer."   Ha!

Dave Benke

Dear Rev. Dr. Benke,

While you may not like the Red Sox Nation, (hey we;ll admit to the stupidity of trading Ruth if you admit to allowing Steinbrenner to buy the team) the Patriots are more akin to my beloved Celtics.....

Who. ya New Yawkers might not appreciate too much either.....

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 07, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
I have family that inhabits Red Sox nation.  I am genetically connected to it.  It's related to the Patriots, and it's related to the Celtics.  They don't call Boston "The Hub" as a regional designation.  It's the Hub of the Universe. 

There is much to like about Celtics' hoops and history.  Since I was a hoops guy myself in long-ago hardwood precincts in Wisconsin, I'm more of a purist there.  May the best team win.  The Celtics teams and the 73 Knicks played TEAM basketball, which is the thing of beauty on the court that is a joy forever.

The '72-73 St. Louis Sem team may have been the finest team in the history of Missouri Synod sports, going 19-2 and beating D1 teams on their own courts through the season, including SE Missouri State (Cape State) at their gym.  I wasn't on the team, but was a part of it as a mgr/stats dude while being intramural sports guy.  Dave Marth, now at Walther's parish in St. Louis, Ron Rall, in St. Louis, Larry Thies, Bob Sielaff, and the inimitable Coach Pete Peterson, and all the rest of them.  That was a team.  They ran the plays of the St. Louis Hawks (who had moved, of course, before that), but without the restriction of the 24 second clock.  Because of Pete, we got NBA refs some of the time.  SIU Edwardsville, UMSt.Louis, etc, all went down that year - they hated to play the sem because the downside was way steeper than the upside of playing these old guys who were studying to be priests, but Pete was Pete and knew them all personally, so they did it for him.  And then got their clocks cleaned.  There is history that should be explored for the sake of the Church. 

A lot of the guys involved in those teams became top shelf parish pastors, who understood team/discipline/the Good News of Jesus.  Pete was the Professor who mattered most to a lot of guys who came through in my era, and he didn't teach one course in a classroom.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on September 23, 2009, 05:00:50 PM
This is such a great thread title because it is so true. Atheists will spend eternity watching baseball.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on September 23, 2009, 05:47:08 PM
Restrict those darn atheists to watching the current AL Central.  The AL Central is an embarassment!  The Tigers are trying to give the title to the Twins who refuse to take it.  The White Sox are mailing in their last few games, Jermaine Dye plays like he's half asleep.  Cleveland is just not getting it done.   Then you have pitiful Kansas City playing out of their minds winning 12 of their last 15.  And who do the Twins have 6 of their last 11 games with?  You guessed it, KC.  So I gotta watch as the Twins still have 4 games with Detroit.  Arghhh.

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Keith Falk on September 23, 2009, 05:55:46 PM
You know baseball is the perfect Christian game... sacrifices, 3 outs to an inning, 3 strikes for an out, 3 bases (though 4 bags), 3 sets of 3 innings, and it doesn't matter how many runs you score, the game isn't over unless you make some outs (death bringing life?)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 23, 2009, 07:29:41 PM
This is such a great thread title because it is so true. Atheists will spend eternity watching baseball.

Atheists who hate baseball will spend eternity watching baseball. Interminably without relief.

Christians who love baseball will spend eternity watching baseball among doing other things; chiefly praising their Lord and bathing in His presence.

Hell for them would be to spend eternity watching football.  ;D

Mike


Mike, Mike, Mike,

Some might comment....

AT least you'd be in Green Bay!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peter_speckhard on September 23, 2009, 07:53:50 PM
To be in Green Bay is to experience the glory of God. To the reprobate, that is hellfire. To the faithful, it is bliss.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on September 23, 2009, 07:58:13 PM
To be in Green Bay is to experience the glory of God. To the reprobate, that is hellfire. To the faithful, it is bliss.

Actually Green Bay resembles the lowest level of Dante's Hell ......
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 23, 2009, 08:13:04 PM
J & S,

Have you been to Green Bay?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 13, 2009, 11:47:55 AM
This morning the local paper said that the Chicago Cubs are declaring bankruptcy and gave the additional information that (1) the Tribune Co. bought them a few years ago for $20.5 million and (2) after bankruptcy the Joe Ricketts clan will buy them for $845,000,000.

Does anyone else think this sounds as if our bankruptcy laws are being abused? Why isn't the buyer paying off the creditors? Why should all that dough go to the Trib?

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Bennett on October 13, 2009, 01:39:24 PM
This morning the local paper said that the Chicago Cubs are declaring bankruptcy and gave the additional information that (1) the Tribune Co. bought them a few years ago for $20.5 million and (2) after bankruptcy the Joe Ricketts clan will buy them for $845,000,000.

Does anyone else think this sounds as if our bankruptcy laws are being abused? Why isn't the buyer paying off the creditors? Why should all that dough go to the Trib?

Peace,
Michael

My understanding is that the Cubs trip through bankruptcy court is not to shed any Cubs debts or obligations, but merely to protect the buyer from claims that could later be brought by Tribune creditors for amounts owing by the Tribune that are unrelated to the Cubs.  This because the Tribune (like so many newspaper publishers) has severe financial troubles, but those financial troubles have no connection with the Cubs.  That's my understanding.

Mike Bennett
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 13, 2009, 01:45:09 PM
This morning the local paper said that the Chicago Cubs are declaring bankruptcy and gave the additional information that (1) the Tribune Co. bought them a few years ago for $20.5 million and (2) after bankruptcy the Joe Ricketts clan will buy them for $845,000,000.

Does anyone else think this sounds as if our bankruptcy laws are being abused? Why isn't the buyer paying off the creditors? Why should all that dough go to the Trib?

Peace,
Michael

My understanding is that the Cubs trip through bankruptcy court is not to shed any Cubs debts or obligations, but merely to protect the buyer from claims that could later be brought by Tribune creditors for amounts owing by the Tribune that are unrelated to the Cubs.  This because the Tribune (like so many newspaper publishers) has severe financial troubles, but those financial troubles have no connection with the Cubs.  That's my understanding.

Mike Bennett

Thanks for the clarification, Mike. Still, the $824,500,000 profit in the sale of the Cubs should help the Tribune Co. to pay off at least some of the people they owe money to. I hope it doesn't turn into play money for the owners while their debts go unpaid.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Bennett on October 13, 2009, 01:52:30 PM
This morning the local paper said that the Chicago Cubs are declaring bankruptcy and gave the additional information that (1) the Tribune Co. bought them a few years ago for $20.5 million and (2) after bankruptcy the Joe Ricketts clan will buy them for $845,000,000.

Does anyone else think this sounds as if our bankruptcy laws are being abused? Why isn't the buyer paying off the creditors? Why should all that dough go to the Trib?

Peace,
Michael

My understanding is that the Cubs trip through bankruptcy court is not to shed any Cubs debts or obligations, but merely to protect the buyer from claims that could later be brought by Tribune creditors for amounts owing by the Tribune that are unrelated to the Cubs.  This because the Tribune (like so many newspaper publishers) has severe financial troubles, but those financial troubles have no connection with the Cubs.  That's my understanding.

Mike Bennett

Thanks for the clarification, Mike. Still, the $824,500,000 profit in the sale of the Cubs should help the Tribune Co. to pay off at least some of the people they owe money to. I hope it doesn't turn into play money for the owners while their debts go unpaid.

Peace,
Michael

Oh, I expect the Tribune's creditors will by on that $824,500,000 like flies on Wrigley Field concession stands.

Mike Bennett (White Sox fan)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: GoCubsGo on October 13, 2009, 02:46:22 PM
This morning the local paper said that the Chicago Cubs are declaring bankruptcy and gave the additional information that (1) the Tribune Co. bought them a few years ago for $20.5 million and (2) after bankruptcy the Joe Ricketts clan will buy them for $845,000,000.

Does anyone else think this sounds as if our bankruptcy laws are being abused? Why isn't the buyer paying off the creditors? Why should all that dough go to the Trib?

Peace,
Michael

My understanding is that the Cubs trip through bankruptcy court is not to shed any Cubs debts or obligations, but merely to protect the buyer from claims that could later be brought by Tribune creditors for amounts owing by the Tribune that are unrelated to the Cubs.  This because the Tribune (like so many newspaper publishers) has severe financial troubles, but those financial troubles have no connection with the Cubs.  That's my understanding.

Mike Bennett

Thanks for the clarification, Mike. Still, the $824,500,000 profit in the sale of the Cubs should help the Tribune Co. to pay off at least some of the people they owe money to. I hope it doesn't turn into play money for the owners while their debts go unpaid.

Peace,
Michael

Oh, I expect the Tribune's creditors will by on that $824,500,000 like flies on Wrigley Field concession stands.

Mike Bennett (White Sox fan)

If the extra money gets used to "buy" a World Series pennant, I'm all for it. ;D  (Just remember everybody can have a bad century.)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on October 13, 2009, 03:43:54 PM
J & S,

Have you been to Green Bay?

Yes.

I found it slightly less appealing than Dallas....
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Virgil on October 13, 2009, 04:16:37 PM
Green Bay is mere minutes from prime fishing and hunting country. It's true it doesn't have a lot of latte shops, but I don't count that as a liability.
Title: Re: Cricket and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dadoo on March 05, 2010, 07:11:40 AM
An interesting perspective from Britain: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527506.100-where-do-atheists-come-from.html?full=true

An excerpt:

Quote
It appears that Enlightenment assumptions about the decline of religion as the population becomes more educated will no longer do - at least, not without considerable qualification. Why is it that, despite the long history of the study of religion, the picture seems to be getting more and not less confused about what it means to believe in God? We, and the scholars who gathered in December last year for a conference at Wolfson College, University of Oxford, think we may have the answer. The problems stem from a long-term, collective blind spot in research: atheism itself.

This oversight might seem remarkable (or remarkably obtuse on the part of the social scientists) but it is one with deep historical roots. Many of social science's 19th-century founders, including Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Émile Durkheim, Auguste Comte and Max Weber, were unbelievers, or "religiously unmusical", as Weber memorably put it. For them, religion was the great explicandum: how, they wondered, could so many people believe in something so absurd? What they failed to recognise was that their own, taken-for-granted, "lack" of belief might itself be amenable to inquiry

Enjoy.

Or not . . .

Oh: They play Cricket over there, not baseball; close enough, I hope.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on October 22, 2010, 11:39:46 PM
TEXAS! GOTTA LOVE IT!   Anytime the Yankees lose is super in my book.....

"You have to enjoy it when the Yankees lose. It doesn't happen very often "-WP Kinsella

ed. note: I was blessed to be in row 15 when the Dbacks beat the Yanks in 2001 for the championship. Will never forget it.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 23, 2010, 11:42:43 PM
THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptmccain on October 23, 2010, 11:43:31 PM
Without Barry Bonds, and so I offer them hearty congratulations, and will be cheering them on in the World Series.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on October 24, 2010, 12:46:15 AM
As a long suffering fan of the other team in new york town, I have to say the last two nights have provided a bit of the eschatological greatness that those saints in Christ are being promised.  Vindication from the wicked indeed. 

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SteveS on October 24, 2010, 08:03:24 AM
I've been a Mets fan since I can remember * (since the late 60s -- you can guess which 2' by 3' Sports Illustrated poster was on my bedroom wall).

If the Mets can't go to the world series, at least the Yankees and Phillies have been knocked out.  I can now watch the World Series in peace.


* was not a Mets fan on June 15th, 1977
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 24, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
San Francisco vs. Texas...not just a World Series but a culture clash! :o
I am afraid I must violate my own principles and go against the National League team this time.
Cliff Lee pitches twice, in Games One and Five. Woo Hoo! ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: olarmy02 on October 27, 2010, 12:52:40 PM
Rangers in 5 over the Nephilim.

Mike

I like it!  Go Rangers! 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on October 27, 2010, 01:39:45 PM
St. Louis is the city of my birth, so I am a Cardinal's fan.  It's in my DNA. But they're not in it this year.
My wife is a Boston girl, so I cheer for the Red Sox unless they're playing the Cards.  But they aren't in it either.
And I always cheer against the Yankees, but they're already out (thank you, Rangers).

So, this year, I'll be cheering for our local favorites.
Go Giants!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on October 27, 2010, 01:40:47 PM
Besides, when all this World Series stuff is over, we can get back to football.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 27, 2010, 01:57:08 PM
I see a lot of parallels between the Giants and the ancient Israelites. Lost in the wilderness, the outcasts of the earth, small and despised, rejected of men. Really, you should be rooting for them.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on October 27, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
And they're finally free of their bonds.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 27, 2010, 03:23:11 PM
And they're finally free of their bonds.

I'd grant you the pun of the week award, but I don't want to encourage the practice.  >:(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: olarmy02 on October 27, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
Besides, when all this World Series stuff is over, we can get back to football.

Just sayin'.

Why would people in San Francisco or Dallas want to get back to football?  :'(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on October 27, 2010, 04:01:09 PM
And they're finally free of their bonds.
I'd grant you the pun of the week award, but I don't want to encourage the practice.  >:(

Thank you for the award.  And my wife would tell you that I rarely need encouragement.
 :P
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 28, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Lots of happy faces in California this morning . . .  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: olarmy02 on October 28, 2010, 01:57:34 PM
Lots of happy faces in California this morning . . .  ;D ;D ;D

Lots of happy faces in Texas today because we don't live in California.  ;D ;D ;D
Still more games left to play, although I was impressed with the Giant's bats.  
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 28, 2010, 11:16:18 PM

We lower the boom tonight.  ;)



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Why, I was almost feeling sorry for your guys.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on October 29, 2010, 12:28:21 AM
Lots of happy faces in California this morning . . .  ;D ;D ;D

We here in Texas figured they deserved one day of happiness.

Now we have them where we want them ... overconfident and unalert.

We lower the boom tonight.  ;)

Mike

And they'll be even more overconfident and unalert after tonight's walkathon.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SKPeterson on October 29, 2010, 09:12:51 AM
The atheists are winning. :-\
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: olarmy02 on October 29, 2010, 10:19:26 AM
Chernobyl-esque bullpen meltdown.  >:(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 29, 2010, 10:31:31 AM
Party like it's 2005..... :'(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on October 29, 2010, 09:01:58 PM

I just love the East coast media elite taking it on the chin. All of the 10 ESPN guys save one picked the Rangers.

They did the same thing with the Dbacks, never gave them a chance in 2001 vs. the Yanks.

I am just so happy that no teams from the East Coast are even in the WS, although the network is freaking ,I  am sure ratings will be low...

Jeff Ruby
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: James_Gale on October 29, 2010, 09:37:58 PM
Baseball?  World Series?  What are you talking about? 

They stopped playing the World Series after the 1908 season.  The Cubs had been so dominant over the preceding two years that there was no point in continuing the practice.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 29, 2010, 10:12:21 PM
I just love the East coast media elite taking it on the chin. All of the 10 ESPN guys save one picked the Rangers.
They did the same thing with the Dbacks, never gave them a chance in 2001 vs. the Yanks.
I am just so happy that no teams from the East Coast are even in the WS, although the network is freaking ,I  am sure ratings will be low...
Jeff Ruby
Yes, but from the telltale odor of the smoke wafting in from the bleachers, the S.F. fans were high! ::)
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SteveS on October 29, 2010, 11:50:14 PM

I just love the East coast media elite taking it on the chin. All of the 10 ESPN guys save one picked the Rangers.

They did the same thing with the Dbacks, never gave them a chance in 2001 vs. the Yanks.

I am just so happy that no teams from the East Coast are even in the WS, although the network is freaking ,I  am sure ratings will be low...

Jeff Ruby


Pr. Ruby, I get what you're saying, but I think it's funny -- east coast elites in Bristol, Ct. vs. those commoners in San Francisco.  ;)

Yes, it is tiresome to see so-called experts speak with complete certainty on all matters.  Never happens around here.  ::)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on October 30, 2010, 01:15:52 AM



Yes , but the national media is not
based in San Francisco.

Jeff Ruby

:)

I just love the East coast media elite taking it on the chin. All of the 10 ESPN guys save one picked the Rangers.

They did the same thing with the Dbacks, never gave them a chance in 2001 vs. the Yanks.

I am just so happy that no teams from the East Coast are even in the WS, although the network is freaking ,I  am sure ratings will be low...

Jeff Ruby


Pr. Ruby, I get what you're saying, but I think it's funny -- east coast elites in Bristol, Ct. vs. those commoners in San Francisco.  ;)

Yes, it is tiresome to see so-called experts speak with complete certainty on all matters.  Never happens around here.  ::)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 30, 2010, 10:44:54 PM
Hold yer horses...the Rangers aren't quite dead yet. :o
BTW, isn't it funny that the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Cowboys now both play in a Ft. Worth suburb?
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 30, 2010, 10:49:05 PM
Hold yer horses...the Rangers aren't quite dead yet. :o
BTW, isn't it funny that the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Cowboys now both play in a Ft. Worth suburb?
Kurt

They understand it perfectly in New Jersey, er, I mean New York. :D

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 31, 2010, 08:45:18 AM
From the deep cave of the New York perspective, it is an all NY World Series - the Giants against the Rangers.  Unfortunately, the Giants play football and the Rangers play hockey.  But then, when we see light at the end of the tunnel, it's New Jersey, Brooklyn or Queens on the way out of the City.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 31, 2010, 04:19:01 PM
Gang Green has no leg, loses to Green and Gold on three FG to none.  After Rex Ryan told the Cheeseheads to stay home in the NJ sea of green on TV, I knew the Packers, in our reticent midwestern way would chew them up and spit them out.  Road shut-out.  Nice.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 31, 2010, 04:27:51 PM
Gang Green has no leg, loses to Green and Gold on three FG to none.  After Rex Ryan told the Cheeseheads to stay home in the NJ sea of green on TV, I knew the Packers, in our reticent midwestern way would chew them up and spit them out.  Road shut-out.  Nice.

Dave Benke

And RARE! Now we'll see how many functioning legs the Vike QB has.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 31, 2010, 11:32:26 PM
Yeah, we're really getting overconfident now.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: FatherWilliam57 on November 01, 2010, 01:06:02 AM
I see a lot of parallels between the Giants and the ancient Israelites. Lost in the wilderness, the outcasts of the earth, small and despised, rejected of men. Really, you should be rooting for them.

The Giants?  I think you just described the Pirates (18 losing seasons and counting...)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SKPeterson on November 01, 2010, 05:58:43 AM
Hold yer horses...the Rangers aren't quite dead yet. :o
BTW, isn't it funny that the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Cowboys now both play in a Ft. Worth suburb?
Kurt

Mesquite is a suburb.  Grapevine is a suburb.  Lewisville is a suburb.  At the pace DFW is expanding, Waco, Wichita Falls and Lawton, OK will soon be suburbs.  ;D The DFW area is now about the size of the state of Connecticut. We Arlingtonians/ites, current and former, do not think of ourselves as a suburb of Dallas or Ft. Worth, but we are firmly joined at the hip with Ft. Worth more economically and culturally.  Also, having 400 to 450,000 people, Arlington is no longer a sleepy little bedroom community.  Sadly, now that Arlington is cut-off geographically from expanding, it'll soon technically be inner city. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: olarmy02 on November 01, 2010, 06:49:18 AM
Hold yer horses...the Rangers aren't quite dead yet. :o
BTW, isn't it funny that the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Cowboys now both play in a Ft. Worth suburb?
Kurt

To be fair (and balanced) the Rangers play in Arlington, the Cowboys just show up and collect a check... :-\
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on November 01, 2010, 08:04:14 AM
Vike QB takes one on the chin for the team, which loses anyway.  They ayes of Texas turn to nays on both counts.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 01, 2010, 08:34:32 AM
Mesquite is a suburb.  Grapevine is a suburb.  Lewisville is a suburb.  At the pace DFW is expanding, Waco, Wichita Falls and Lawton, OK will soon be suburbs.  ;D The DFW area is now about the size of the state of Connecticut. We Arlingtonians/ites, current and former, do not think of ourselves as a suburb of Dallas or Ft. Worth, but we are firmly joined at the hip with Ft. Worth more economically and culturally.  Also, having 400 to 450,000 people, Arlington is no longer a sleepy little bedroom community.  Sadly, now that Arlington is cut-off geographically from expanding, it'll soon technically be inner city.
The 1977 Arlington HS graduate I've been married to for 30 years (this month) has always insisted Arlington is a Ft Worth suburb with its own separate city government, though it wouldn't surprise me if Arlington has lost its individuality with sprawling urbanization. The same is happening down here between San Antonio and Austin; New Braunfels has gone from a small German town to an upper middle-class traffic jam. At least they still celebrate Wurstfest! Gotta love progress :P
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on November 01, 2010, 10:22:51 AM
I see a lot of parallels between the Giants and the ancient Israelites. Lost in the wilderness, the outcasts of the earth, small and despised, rejected of men. Really, you should be rooting for them.

The Giants?  I think you just described the Pirates (18 losing seasons and counting...)

Are you suggesting the Pirates have 22 more years of wandering left?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 01, 2010, 03:46:51 PM
There were two good things about last night's World Series game. Unless you don't have a heart, it was a nice moment when the Presidents Bush (accompanied by Nolan Ryan) threw out the first pitch. And even with all the cameras there, Barbara Bush took a snapshot of her boys with her pocket camera.

Second, in a day and age when stars make the national anthem all about themselves instead of repect for the flag and the nation  ::), I loved the simple beauty of Lyle Lovett singing the anthem in a clear tenor voice (sans vocal gymnastics) with only a cello accompaniment. That Aggie set the standard all should follow! After years of standing in military formations and at all manner of ball games, there are few times a performance of the Star Spangled Banner puts that big of a lump in my throat.  Wow! :o
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on November 01, 2010, 05:55:01 PM
I loved the simple beauty of Lyle Lovett singing the anthem in a clear tenor voice (sans vocal gymnastics) with only a cello accomaniment.


It was, indeed, a very classy rendition of our National Anthem.  And fitting that the Presidents Bush, the younger of whom once owned the home team, would throw out the first pitch.  

Pax, Steven+

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 01, 2010, 07:04:18 PM
The Rangers need to win tonight out of respect for their worthy opponents. After all, it would be nicer for the Giants to go home and win in front of their fans.

But just in case, SF fans need to know that if they celebrate in Texas, they will be arrested if they smoke what Willie smokes! ;) (And no, I don't know why Willie gets a free pass on that ???)

Play ball!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: olarmy02 on November 01, 2010, 07:34:39 PM
The Rangers need to win tonight out of respect for their worthy opponents. After all, it would be nicer for the Giants to go home and win in front of their fans.

But just in case, SF fans need to know that if they celebrate in Texas, they will be arrested if they smoke what Willie smokes! ;) (And no, I don't know why Willie gets a free pass on that ???)

Play ball!

Because he is Willie.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 01, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
Because he is Willie.
And his habit is harmless. Is he on wife #6 yet, or is he still with #5? :o
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on November 01, 2010, 08:25:07 PM
I loved the simple beauty of Lyle Lovett singing the anthem in a clear tenor voice (sans vocal gymnastics) with only a cello accomaniment.


It was, indeed, a very classy rendition of our National Anthem.  And fitting that the Presidents Bush, the younger of whom once owned the home team, would throw out the first pitch.  

Pax, Steven+



Yes, it was classy. Can't say as much for tonight's rendition.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 01, 2010, 08:29:58 PM

Yes, it was classy. Can't say as much for tonight's rendition.
Only one nice performance per series. It's in the rule book. :-\
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on November 01, 2010, 08:38:04 PM
Have to admit, my favorite musical rendition so far was the 9-year-old trumpeter Geoffrey Gallante who played God Bless America during the Giants/Phillies series.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Bennett on November 01, 2010, 09:03:22 PM
Idle curiosity question while watching the World Series:  Was it intentionally mischievous to shorten the name of the Split Finger Fastball to Splitter?  I mean, considering that it behaves like a Spitter?

Just wondering.

Go Rangers. (My Texas brother , niece and nephews made me say it, despite my soft spot for Juan Uribe)

Mike Bennett
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on November 01, 2010, 10:06:32 PM
Jints lookin' good.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on November 01, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
Castoffs and misfits of the world unite!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jpetty on November 01, 2010, 11:13:23 PM
Castoffs and misfits of the world unite!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This will take the wind out of your sails:  I'm happy too! 

Go Giants!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: olarmy02 on November 01, 2010, 11:45:47 PM
Congrats SF, y'all had the hitting and pitching.  Good stuff...and not just in the SF stands. ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SteveS on November 02, 2010, 08:45:52 AM
...
I'm hoping that the Rangers management puts up decent money and Cliff Lee stays in Texas. The East Coast teams might be able to offer more money, but I don't think many places can offer Cliff Lee much more fan appreciation and loyalty right now.
...

Not to mention no income tax!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 02, 2010, 09:29:06 AM
...
I'm hoping that the Rangers management puts up decent money and Cliff Lee stays in Texas. The East Coast teams might be able to offer more money, but I don't think many places can offer Cliff Lee much more fan appreciation and loyalty right now.
...
Not to mention no income tax!
Steinbrenner (his heirs) can throw so much money at a player it will negate the Texas advantage of no state income taxes. Yankees always have the best team money can buy. I bet Nolan Ryan can come up with several Cliff Lees for the price of this one. Who better to judge a pitcher's worth than Nolan Ryan, after all?  His steaks are darn good, too!

Oh well, back to the (L)Astros and the National League for me, where I belong.

Congrats, SF!
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 02, 2010, 09:50:40 AM
I certainly hope Lee is a "bird in the hand" and likes Texas more than other more barbarian regions. The situation reminds me way too much of the Randy Johnson episode in Houston a few years back.

BTW, having Clemens didn't turn out too well in Houston in the long run; everything he's done is tainted.  I'm just glad when the stuff hit the fan he was back in a Yankees uniform! :P
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on November 02, 2010, 11:10:14 AM
Congrats SF, y'all had the hitting and pitching.  Good stuff...and not just in the SF stands. ;)

 ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on November 02, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
Cliff Lee at Citi Field - lights out.

When is the parade in SF?  That's one I'd like to be at or at least see on you tube.  NY parades through the Canyon of Heroes are not to be missed, and I even went to one for the Yankees through my time here. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on November 02, 2010, 03:02:45 PM
Cliff Lee at Citi Field - lights out.

When is the parade in SF?  That's one I'd like to be at or at least see on you tube.  NY parades through the Canyon of Heroes are not to be missed, and I even went to one for the Yankees through my time here. 

Dave Benke

Tomorrow morning, I think, with the key to the city presented by either the mayor or the lieutenent governor-elect.  ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on November 03, 2010, 01:07:55 AM
Nolan is a jewel of a favorite son that both the Rangers and Astros can claim!


Angels fan here, and the Express is ours, too!

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 03, 2010, 09:50:22 AM

Yep, no doubt, and even though Matt S may not have been born yet when he was a Miracle Met, the NY Metropolitans can also claim him.
But he's Texas' part-owner and president and no one else's!!!  ;D
Mike
Not to mention he has a real working ranch in S. Texas (as opposed to "ranches" that Hollywood stars sometimes have), and his beef is found in every small-town Super S Food store. Doesn't get any more Texan than that, I tell you what!
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on November 03, 2010, 11:50:56 AM
Cliff Lee at Citi Field - lights out.
When is the parade in SF?  That's one I'd like to be at or at least see on you tube.  NY parades through the Canyon of Heroes are not to be missed, and I even went to one for the Yankees through my time here. 
Dave Benke

The parade is this morning at 11:00, Left-coast time.  KTVU-2 will be streaming: http://www.ktvu.com/video/25618491/index.html (http://www.ktvu.com/video/25618491/index.html)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on November 03, 2010, 07:52:57 PM

The parade is this morning at 11:00, Left-coast time.  KTVU-2 will be streaming: http://www.ktvu.com/video/25618491/index.html (http://www.ktvu.com/video/25618491/index.html)

Wait a minute -- isn't KTVU in Oakland?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on November 03, 2010, 09:09:21 PM

The parade is this morning at 11:00, Left-coast time.  KTVU-2 will be streaming: http://www.ktvu.com/video/25618491/index.html (http://www.ktvu.com/video/25618491/index.html)
Wait a minute -- isn't KTVU in Oakland?

Yeah, but the Giants had a much better party than the A's this year.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on November 03, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
I watched the streaming video and did not notice any pink parasols for this San Francisco celebration.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on November 04, 2010, 08:57:10 AM
KOD - Kiss of Death - award to Sports Illustrated, with mid-season NFL picks.  They have the Jets beating the Steelers to go to the Super Bowl in the AFC, and the Packers beating the Giants to go to the Super Bowl in the NFC.  And they have the Packers winning the whole enchilada.  Now it will never happen.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on November 04, 2010, 09:35:45 AM
KOD - Kiss of Death - award to Sports Illustrated, with mid-season NFL picks.  They have the Jets beating the Steelers to go to the Super Bowl in the AFC, and the Packers beating the Giants to go to the Super Bowl in the NFC.  And they have the Packers winning the whole enchilada.  Now it will never happen.

Dave Benke

So, should I take encouragement that SI hasn't picked my Bengals to win anything?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on November 04, 2010, 01:52:10 PM
Not in this thread.


 ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 04, 2010, 01:53:37 PM
Unless you think the Bengals could play baseball better than they do football, which is entirely possible. ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on November 07, 2010, 01:46:59 PM
Packers/Dallas point spread is 8, at Lambeau.  With three being given for the home field, that means the gaming folks believe Dallas is only five points worse than the Packers.  Peter and SW and I say give the points and take the Pack, although as clergy we are not permitted to engage in sports gambling.  The lovely sight of cheeseheads shouting "Go, Pack, Go" in Hackensack last Sunday in the 4th quarter should be overtaken by the sight of 70000 green/gold beerschwiefelers lifting their hole-y hats in hallelujah on national TV tonight.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on November 07, 2010, 07:19:28 PM
BASEBALL. BASEBALL. >:(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on November 07, 2010, 07:23:19 PM
Packers/Dallas point spread is 8, at Lambeau.  With three being given for the home field, that means the gaming folks believe Dallas is only five points worse than the Packers.  Peter and SW and I say give the points and take the Pack, although as clergy we are not permitted to engage in sports gambling.  The lovely sight of cheeseheads shouting "Go, Pack, Go" in Hackensack last Sunday in the 4th quarter should be overtaken by the sight of 70000 green/gold beerschwiefelers lifting their hole-y hats in hallelujah on national TV tonight.

Dave Benke

I'll take the points.... let's see...friendly wager... if you lose Bishop - you have to wear a Red SOx Cap and a Celtics shirt at your next community event?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on November 07, 2010, 07:35:47 PM
BASEBALL!!!! You want to talk football, go over to that frivolous thread!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on November 07, 2010, 07:45:15 PM
BASEBALL!!!! You want to talk football, go over to that frivolous thread!

There hasn't been anything in baseball to talk about since Yaz retired....

Same thing for hockey since Orr, Esposito, Hodges, Bucyk, and Cashman retired...
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Bennett on November 23, 2010, 03:20:23 PM
90 things to love about Stan Musial, on the occasion of his upcoming 90th birthday:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_12a02ef7-b9d3-5cec-91f8-843d44412f13.html

As an appetizer, here are the comments from pitchers:

11 • Hall of Fame pitcher Sandy Koufax: "In my rookie year, I got my first chance to face Stan Musial. I also gave up my first home run. The two events are not unrelated."

42 • Dodgers pitcher Carl Erskine was once so frustrated by his inability to get The Man out that he wrote a song called "The Stan Musial Blues." Erskine was asked how to pitch to Musial: "I've had pretty good success with Stan by throwing him my best pitch and backing up third," he said.

48 • Pitcher Don Newcombe: "I could have rolled the ball up there to Musial, and he would have pulled out a golf club and hit it out."

58 • Preacher Roe on how to pitch to Musial: "I throw him four wide ones and try to pick him off first base."

Happy birthday, Stan.

Mike Bennett

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptmccain on December 03, 2010, 03:07:38 PM
Love it.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Bennett on December 03, 2010, 05:25:29 PM
Progress on Chicago's south side:  Pierzinski and Ramirez signed; Adam Dunn signed out of free agency; tendered Paul Konerko and awaiting his exploration of the free agent market.  Confident that Paulie will do the right thing, thoughts of Spring Training are warming my heart even in early December.  :)

Mike Bennett
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on December 03, 2010, 06:58:19 PM
But a bad day for north siders.  RIP Ron Santo.

Jeremy (Go Cards)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SteveS on December 15, 2010, 06:52:32 AM
So Cliff Lee turns down an extra $50 million and the Yankees.  Good for him.  But did he have to go back to the Phillies!  Didn't they have enough starting pitching already!

President Benke, can't you use your authority as Bishop to do something about this!  Looks like another bad year for the Mets.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on December 15, 2010, 04:29:40 PM
All of Queens is in mourning today.  The thought of the second-worst thing happening, Cliff Lee signing with the Yankees, has been replaced by the worst possible eventuality, Cliff Lee signing with the Phillies, whom the Mets must face 19 times during the regular season.  How can this happen during the week named "Rejoice?"  There is no joy in Metsville/ mighty Cliff Lee is a Phil.  Cole Hamels is the #4 guy in that rotation.  The Mets #2,3 and 4 guys all have the same name - T.B.D. - to be determined.  Looks like I'll be playing lots of golf.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on December 15, 2010, 05:06:06 PM
As a die-hard Met fan, the Isaianic texts of eschatological deliverance speak very near and dear to me.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on December 15, 2010, 09:36:45 PM
God will come with his recompense.  He will come and He will save.  And He will look like Charlie Manuel.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SKPeterson on December 16, 2010, 08:12:05 AM
Bob Feller, the Heater from Van Meter, and Cleveland Indians great, passed away yesterday.  RIP

And read this obit: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/12/16/rip-bob-feller/ (http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/12/16/rip-bob-feller/).  It's applicable in many ways to the discussion on the Boys and Men thread.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on December 16, 2010, 10:01:45 AM
So Cliff Lee turns down an extra $50 million and the Yankees.  Good for him.  But did he have to go back to the Phillies!  Didn't they have enough starting pitching already!
When he pays his state income taxes in the future, someone needs to remind him that in Texas we are civilized and do NOT LEVY STATE INCOME TAX! That is why many enlightened athlete-millionaires take less money to play in our fair state.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SKPeterson on December 16, 2010, 10:22:54 AM
So Cliff Lee turns down an extra $50 million and the Yankees.  Good for him.  But did he have to go back to the Phillies!  Didn't they have enough starting pitching already!
When he pays his state income taxes in the future, someone needs to remind him that in Texas we are civilized and do NOT LEVY STATE INCOME TAX! That is why many enlightened athlete-millionaires take less money to play in our fair state.

The Rangers (and the Yankees) offered Lee more money than Philly period.

Average by year does not matter.  Unlike the NFL, if you sign a multi-year contract, you get the whole pile even if they drop you from the roster. Sometimes even if they trade you; the Rangers just settled up with ARod despite having traded him to Yankees for some money relief years ago.

Cliff Lee apparently wanted to return to Philly.  Philly apparently wanted him back.  Why they traded him last year I don't know and have not checked. Perhaps they thought getting Halladay and Oswalt, they figured they did not need him so much.

Mike

I can understand not wanting to go to the Yankees, but this tells me Lee didn't have the confidence that the Rangers would put together a stellar pitching crew.  Those losses he took due to poor relief may have soured him long term, even though they went to the Big Game.  Even with Nolan Ryan at the helm, the Rangers still seem to have difficulty in putting together a consistent, reliable starting rotation and bullpen.  It's the most frustrating thing being a fan - big bats, good gloves, inconsistent pitching.  The names change, but the formula remains the same. :(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on December 16, 2010, 10:32:03 AM
I can understand not wanting to go to the Yankees, but this tells me Lee didn't have the confidence that the Rangers would put together a stellar pitching crew.  Those losses he took due to poor relief may have soured him long term, even though they went to the Big Game.  Even with Nolan Ryan at the helm, the Rangers still seem to have difficulty in putting together a consistent, reliable starting rotation and bullpen.  It's the most frustrating thing being a fan - big bats, good gloves, inconsistent pitching.  The names change, but the formula remains the same. :(
I think things look pretty good for the Rangers next year; but then again, I am comparing them to my team, the Astros. :P
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dan_Biles on December 16, 2010, 10:51:01 AM
So Cliff Lee turns down an extra $50 million and the Yankees.  Good for him.  But did he have to go back to the Phillies!  Didn't they have enough starting pitching already!

President Benke, can't you use your authority as Bishop to do something about this!  Looks like another bad year for the Mets.

I called this a year ago, when they traded Lee to Seattle.  Said, "I bet the Phils make a run at Lee when he is a free agent next year."  They waited for the other teams to make their play, then got in the game.  

The thing is, for those of us who grew up suffering with pathetic Phillies teams (I attended one of the games in the 10-loss streak of the collapse of the 1964 Phillies), this is unprecedented.  We've never had an ownership this committed to putting the best team on the field, either thru our own system or free agents or trades.

And who would ever have thought any player would want to come to Philly?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on January 06, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
Roberto Alomar made one bad mistake and has owned up to and was forgiven.  Unfortunately Robbie did that as an Oriole during the good playoff years in the 90s.  Alomar was a great 2nd baseman-average, power, speed, gold glove, etc...  It is good to see him get in.

Blyleven is long overdue.

I may be mistaken, but Roberto Alomar is not a Jr. as his older brother is Sandy Alomar Jr.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 31, 2011, 09:15:12 AM
It will be raining at Yankee Stadium this afternoon, which is a good sign for the Mets fan in me.  And I'll be at National League Opening Day in NYC next Friday for the Mets home opener at Madoff Acres.  With Acela club.  What this means is that if it's doing outside then what it's doing outside now, we can watch or pretend to watch the game while undertaking the various celebratory tasks behind glass in comfort out in the left field foul pole zone.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on March 31, 2011, 09:17:01 AM
Opening Day!!
Can't think of when I've been less enthused about it. Such is life for a "LAstros" fan.

I might sneak a peek at the Rangers occasionally, but I avoid the American League on moral grounds. My conscience is bound to oppose the Designated Hitter rule--it's blasphemous to the game (for us true believers, at least)! ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 31, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Opening Day!!
Can't think of when I've been less enthused about it. Such is life for a "LAstros" fan.

I might sneak a peek at the Rangers occasionally, but I avoid the American League on moral grounds. My conscience is bound to oppose the Designated Hitter rule--it's blasphemous to the game (for us true believers, at least)! ;)

I consider the DH an adiaphoron which I am personally disposed against, but I accept because my local team uses it.

Kind of like how I consider the use of CCM and a praise band in the Divine Service an adiaphoron which I am personally disposed against, but I accept because my local congregation conducts one of its services that way.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on March 31, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
[snip], but I avoid the American League on moral grounds. My conscience is bound to oppose the Designated Hitter rule--it's blasphemous to the game (for us true believers, at least)! ;)
+1.  The true traditionalist/revisionist divide.  I applaud your steadfastness.  As it saith from the Bible official rules, in the beginning:
1.01 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/objectives_1.jsp)  Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under direction of a manager, played on an enclosed field in accordance with these rules, under jurisdiction of one or more umpires.
I don't care what else has been tacked on at the end as apocryphal.   ;)

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 31, 2011, 09:48:13 AM
[snip], but I avoid the American League on moral grounds. My conscience is bound to oppose the Designated Hitter rule--it's blasphemous to the game (for us true believers, at least)! ;)
+1.  The true traditionalist/revisionist divide.  I applaud your steadfastness.  As it saith from the Bible official rules, in the beginning:
1.01 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/objectives_1.jsp)  Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under direction of a manager, played on an enclosed field in accordance with these rules, under jurisdiction of one or more umpires.
I don't care what else has been tacked on at the end as apocryphal.   ;)

Well, I guess I can take some solace in the fact that my bound conscience leads me to believe the DH is wrong even though my church body, oops, team supports it. 

Besides, I don't know anywhere in the official rules of baseball that says I need mark and avoid it if its traditional rules are revised.  ;)

But if they ever adopt that silly idea of a home run derby to settle a game which gets proposed from time to time because soccer and hockey have adopted shootouts, well, then I might abandon baseball as having been unrevocably adulterated and preaching a different Gospel playing a different game.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 31, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
Is there a gender clause in the Rules of Baseball?  I'm thinking not. 

My first effort as a playwright was in the fifth grade, transcribing for the stage a short story about a girl who was good enough to play in little league, but couldn't get in due to an unwritten rule against girls.  So she hits the game-winning home run, slides into the plate and is safe, but her cap flies off and she has a pony-tail, and all is revealed.  The ending is she is carried off the field victorious. 

I also grew up in Milwaukee playing ball as a kid with more than a few tomboy girls who could really hit the old horsehide.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 31, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
Is there a gender clause in the Rules of Baseball?  I'm thinking not. 

No, there is not even though Major League Baseball itself permits only males to play.  I don't know whether there is any age limit either.  Both considerations are matters particular to MLB and not the official rules of baseball itself.

Did the writers of the "Bad News Bears" movie rip off your concept?  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 31, 2011, 05:20:16 PM
Did the writers of the "Bad News Bears" movie rip off your concept?  ;)

Pr. Benke,

When I wrote this, the thread was fairly active, and I was just busting your chops a little.

The inactivity since makes the comment seem like more of an attack, and it was not meant that way.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 06, 2011, 08:14:21 AM
Texas Rangers off to a 5-0 start!  Yes!!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on April 06, 2011, 12:11:53 PM
Texas Rangers off to a 5-0 start!  Yes!!
Mike
I have to admit (with a profound sense of guilt ;)) that I have been enjoying watching the Rangers playing excellent revisionist American League baseball.
Bring on the Yankees! ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on April 06, 2011, 01:06:33 PM
NO harm no foul, Mike.  Or, no foul no harm.

There was interplay here in NYC after the Mets first game involving an April Fools' Joke almost gone sour.  The Mets lost that one to Florida on April 1.  It turns out the show Family Guy (Peter Griffin) had a punchline at the expense of the Mets in which the announcer in the cartoon is heard going "And that's the end of the first game for the Mets.  The Mets lose.............and................... the season is over."  And they played half of it on TV after that game here in NY - which would have been a very cruel thing to say to the Wilpons, much less the Mets shrinking fan base.  So it became a little controversy.

But ................since then, we've won the next three games.  Hope springs eternal.  And I'll be at Opening Day.  And it's easy to get good tix and cheaper tix to the Mets this year.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 07, 2011, 09:28:31 AM
Opening Day!!
Can't think of when I've been less enthused about it. Such is life for a "LAstros" fan.

Rangers 6-0.

Astros 0-5.

Almost enough to make a Texan go revisionist, eh?  :D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on April 07, 2011, 10:01:07 AM
Here's the Family Guy bit on the Mets-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ouKahUcgU

Sadly the O's lost their first game :(.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 07, 2011, 10:09:53 AM
Here's the Family Guy bit on the Mets-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ouKahUcgU

Sadly the O's lost their first game :(.

I agree. It is sad.  :(

Texas would have liked to have the honor of handing the O's their first defeat this weekend.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: frluther1517 on April 07, 2011, 11:14:40 AM
All I can say is my Cubbies are .500.  Life is good. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 07, 2011, 05:27:44 PM
Astros won today to go to 1-5, but the BoSox didn't.

They're 0-6.  Where's ESPN and their predictions anointing the Red Sox World Series champions now?  :)

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview/2011/news/story?page=11expertpicks

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: FatherWilliam57 on April 08, 2011, 01:15:05 AM
The Pirates are 4-3!  (Wonder how long before they pull the rug out from under themselves this year?)  Be still my foolish (yet ever hopeful) heart....
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 08, 2011, 08:08:51 AM
The Pirates are 4-3!  (Wonder how long before they pull the rug out from under themselves this year?)  Be still my foolish (yet ever hopeful) heart....

Wow, 7 games so far, and they are playing this weekend too.

Did the schedule-makers decide not to give them any days off this year?

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on April 08, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
All I can say is my Cubbies are .500.  Life is good. 

That is until they come to Miller Park this weekend and lose to the Brewers (who are on a three game winning streak)

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on April 08, 2011, 10:34:33 AM
All I can say is my Cubbies are .500.  Life is good. 

That is until they come to Miller Park this weekend and lose to the Brewers (who are on a three game winning streak)

Tom Myhre

Yes, it is shaping up as a very interesting race for second in the NL Central.   ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on April 08, 2011, 10:40:40 AM
The Pirates are 4-3!  (Wonder how long before they pull the rug out from under themselves this year?)  Be still my foolish (yet ever hopeful) heart....

Wow, 7 games so far, and they are playing this weekend too.

Did the schedule-makers decide not to give them any days off this year?

Mike

If you look at all the schedules, ther aren't many days off for any of the teams.  This is because they want to try to get the season over before October.  They don't want the playoff getting postponed because of snow.  They won't schedule double-headers because with them they lose another chance to put rear ends in the seats.  Oh the days of a Saturday double-header at old County Stadium in Milwaukee, sitting in the left field bleachers with dollar beers and a chance to work on a great tan.

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 08, 2011, 11:11:46 AM
If you look at all the schedules, ther aren't many days off for any of the teams.  This is because they want to try to get the season over before October.  They don't want the playoff getting postponed because of snow.  They won't schedule double-headers because with them they lose another chance to put rear ends in the seats.  Oh the days of a Saturday double-header at old County Stadium in Milwaukee, sitting in the left field bleachers with dollar beers and a chance to work on a great tan.

Well, they'll either have to schedule double-headers or have some scheduled days off to slip rainouts to.  Because you are right. They will not extend out the season if critical missed games are needed. 

But it does make sense that not too many days off would be scheduled this early in the season.  I just found it interesting that the Pirates did not have this past Monday or Thursday off.  It seems most -- not all -- teams had one of those off. But I see that they did get to start a week ago Friday instead of on Thursday. And they are scheduled to be off this coming Monday.

I know that I was itching for a Rangers game yesterday, but they were off.   I'm hoping the rest permits them to keep up their perfect record. Watch out, Baltimore!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: grabau14 on April 08, 2011, 03:53:42 PM
Hey Mike, watch out for Orioles magic!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mr7mQuGmp0
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 11, 2011, 10:03:07 AM
Hey Mike, watch out for Orioles magic!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mr7mQuGmp0

I'll take two out of the three from the Orioles any day.  They are a great team this year.

Besides, the Rangers getting their first loss out of the way is like getting that first ding in a newish car.  It disappoints at first, but then you can settle in to enjoy it without worrying about every last scratch or dent.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: frluther1517 on April 11, 2011, 10:05:39 AM
All I can say is my Cubbies are .500.  Life is good. 

That is until they come to Miller Park this weekend and lose to the Brewers (who are on a three game winning streak)

Tom Myhre

Almost Tom....almost.  Glad we got 1 win.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pilgrim on April 11, 2011, 12:32:47 PM
You know the local team is in trouble early on, when on the first Sunday of the season, people suggest including them in the prayers! It's going to be a l-o-o--o-n-n-g-g summer in Houston, home of the Astros (who finally won their 2nd game)!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Timotheus Verinus on April 15, 2011, 11:27:35 PM
Not to gloat, but have to note:  (since through a long season I may not get another chance)

Colorado Rockies are rocking MLB, well out in front as #1 in all of Baseball and all that -
   AND THAT WITH
with their Ace pitcher on IR. It'd be a shame to move that 5th(#6) pitcher back to the minors, ..anyone need a good #1  starter?

I'm a little worried though since our #3 gave up 6 hits in his complete game shut out tonight.. Sloppy sloppy... have to give him a little pep talk!

TV
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on April 16, 2011, 01:23:34 AM
Not to gloat, but have to note:  (since through a long season I may not get another chance)

Colorado Rockies are rocking MLB, well out in front as #1 in all of Baseball and all that -
   AND THAT WITH
with their Ace pitcher on IR. It'd be a shame to move that 5th(#6) pitcher back to the minors, ..anyone need a good #1  starter?

I'm a little worried though since our #3 gave up 6 hits in his complete game shut out tonight.. Sloppy sloppy... have to give him a little pep talk!

TV

Didn't your broncos start out a couple years back with a league leading record and then...
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Timotheus Verinus on April 16, 2011, 02:19:58 AM
Not to gloat, but have to note:  (since through a long season I may not get another chance)

Colorado Rockies are rocking MLB, well out in front as #1 in all of Baseball and all that -
   AND THAT WITH
with their Ace pitcher on IR. It'd be a shame to move that 5th(#6) pitcher back to the minors, ..anyone need a good #1  starter?

I'm a little worried though since our #3 gave up 6 hits in his complete game shut out tonight.. Sloppy sloppy... have to give him a little pep talk!

TV

Didn't your broncos start out a couple years back with a league leading record and then...

True but I would rather start with over 3 times as many wins on the road, as certain teams in Mass. have total right now  ;D  And like I said, that's before we get Jimenez back with his 20 wins. Tulo on a 70 plus HR pace, if we don't slow down soon it may be academic by All Star break. In any case I'm gonna enjoy it while it last. And the truth is, absent too many injuries, there's more raw talent in Denver, top to bottom, pitching, defense and bats, than outsiders know about. at least so far. ...  But we will see.

TV
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: frluther1517 on April 16, 2011, 12:56:59 PM
Not to gloat, but have to note:  (since through a long season I may not get another chance)

Colorado Rockies are rocking MLB, well out in front as #1 in all of Baseball and all that -
   AND THAT WITH
with their Ace pitcher on IR. It'd be a shame to move that 5th(#6) pitcher back to the minors, ..anyone need a good #1  starter?

TV

The Twins could sure use one!!!!!!  4-9....what is that!?!?!  Well.....better than the BoSox! 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 27, 2011, 09:09:28 AM
Not to gloat, but have to note:  (since through a long season I may not get another chance)

Colorado Rockies are rocking MLB, well out in front as #1 in all of Baseball and all that -
   AND THAT WITH
with their Ace pitcher on IR. It'd be a shame to move that 5th(#6) pitcher back to the minors, ..anyone need a good #1  starter?

TV

The Twins could sure use one!!!!!!  4-9....what is that!?!?!  Well.....better than the BoSox! 

Twins looking perhaps a little better, but no longer better than the BoSox.

Rockies still out in front of MLB.

Rangers fading in AL West but then so are Angels.

Yankees holding steady.

I love April and not just because we get to declare...

He is risen! He is risen indeed! Alleluia!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on April 27, 2011, 09:30:30 AM
Twins looking perhaps a little better, but no longer better than the BoSox.

Rockies still out in front of MLB.

Rangers fading in AL West but then so are Angels.

Yankees holding steady.

I love April and not just because we get to declare...

He is risen! He is risen indeed! Alleluia!

Mike

Well if it ever quits snowing we may have a better idea of the Twins.  Who thought outdoor baseball in April (or late September, not to mention October) was a great idea?  Well it's not like the Twins are paying full freight on the new stadium.

There were a few snowflakes at my house this morning and it's pretty chilly out there.  I think Joe Mauer pushed himself on the DL cause he doesn't want to freeze up behind the plate, icicles hanging from a  catchers mask can be so annoying.

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 27, 2011, 09:39:04 AM
Twins looking perhaps a little better, but no longer better than the BoSox.

Rockies still out in front of MLB.

Rangers fading in AL West but then so are Angels.

Yankees holding steady.

I love April and not just because we get to declare...

He is risen! He is risen indeed! Alleluia!

Mike

Well if it ever quits snowing we may have a better idea of the Twins.  Who thought outdoor baseball in April (or late September, not to mention October) was a great idea?  Well it's not like the Twins are paying full freight on the new stadium.

There were a few snowflakes at my house this morning and it's pretty chilly out there.  I think Joe Mauer pushed himself on the DL cause he doesn't want to freeze up behind the plate, icicles hanging from a  catchers mask can be so annoying.

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN

Perhaps the Metrodome was not such a bad idea after all?  ;)

Could some games be moved there?

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on April 27, 2011, 10:13:17 AM
They should have taken a clue from the Brewers and Miller Park.  Retractable roof.  Great for those days when the weather is bad, as it has been for the last week and Great for those days when the weather is great.  Like opening the windows in the home when the weather hits 70.  And they still get the shadows going across the infield with afternoon games due to the glass along the first base side (west).
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 27, 2011, 10:36:56 AM
They should have taken a clue from the Brewers and Miller Park.  Retractable roof.  Great for those days when the weather is bad, as it has been for the last week and Great for those days when the weather is great.  Like opening the windows in the home when the weather hits 70.  And they still get the shadows going across the infield with afternoon games due to the glass along the first base side (west).

Yep, retractable roofs certainly seem to be the bomb.  And they were the trend for a while.

But they seem to have fallen into disfavor, and open-air stadiums are now being built even in Minnesota.

Don't know why.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 17, 2011, 07:57:59 AM
Texas Rangers back in first place and Yankees fading. Yes!!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on May 17, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
They should have taken a clue from the Brewers and Miller Park.  Retractable roof.  Great for those days when the weather is bad, as it has been for the last week and Great for those days when the weather is great.  Like opening the windows in the home when the weather hits 70.  And they still get the shadows going across the infield with afternoon games due to the glass along the first base side (west).

If they add another wild card next year and say 3 extra games in the playoff season, MLB will be vying with the NFL on Thanksgiving, no?  In the snow in Boston or Minnesota. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 17, 2011, 12:05:26 PM
They should have taken a clue from the Brewers and Miller Park.  Retractable roof.  Great for those days when the weather is bad, as it has been for the last week and Great for those days when the weather is great.  Like opening the windows in the home when the weather hits 70.  And they still get the shadows going across the infield with afternoon games due to the glass along the first base side (west).

If they add another wild card next year and say 3 extra games in the playoff season, MLB will be vying with the NFL on Thanksgiving, no?  In the snow in Boston or Minnesota. 

Dave Benke

I think they've said they would shorten the season.  Back to the 154-game season I believe.

I think they've also said that they might cut back spring training and move Opening Day back a week or so. Not certain whether that helps with winter-like weather or not.

Not that I am in favor of expanded wild-cards. For all of the bellyaching about the DH, I find it much less repugnant than the wild card.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on May 17, 2011, 02:27:43 PM
We are mourning the loss of Harmon Killebrew here in Twins territory.  Minnesota Lutherans cheered his game for many years.  He will be remembered for his good cheer and manners.  He was a real role model as a genuinely nice guy. 

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: FatherWilliam57 on May 17, 2011, 03:09:48 PM
All true MLB fans mourn the passing of someone with the stature and reputation of a Harmon Killebrew.  Pittsburgh born and Pittsburgh bred does not diminish my admiration of one such as he.  If only more MLB players today were like him, not necessarily in professional accomplishment, but in personal demeanor, the game today would be as great as it ever was.  RIP, Mr. Killebrew.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 17, 2011, 03:57:58 PM
All true MLB fans mourn the passing of someone with the stature and reputation of a Harmon Killebrew.  Pittsburgh born and Pittsburgh bred does not diminish my admiration of one such as he.  If only more MLB players today were like him, not necessarily in professional accomplishment, but in personal demeanor, the game today would be as great as it ever was.  RIP, Mr. Killebrew.

This is truly a loss.  I had not heard of his passing.  Thanks for letting us know.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on May 17, 2011, 04:05:37 PM
Called "Killer" during his career, he was the power in a great Twins lineup when they were my Angels' arch-enemy in the then-new AL West.  After his playing days were over, Harmon spent some years in the Angels' broadcast booth and was clearly the very antithesis of "Killer."  Of course, Twins fans knew all along the kind of gentle-man he was, and it was an honor and delight to get to experience that through the television.  I see many of the reports of his death focussing on that very aspect of the man.  

Thanks Hammerin' Harmon for good memories!  RIP
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 01, 2011, 08:00:58 AM
As June starts, the Texas Rangers still lead the AL West while the Colorado Rockies have fallen quite a bit in the NL West.

The Yanks still lead the AL East, but the BoSox have been coming up strongly after their early season stumbles.

Speaking of stumbles, the Mets and Twins seem to be rapidly falling out of contention in their divisions.

( Just thought I'd comment on a sport that is actually active right now.  ;D    BTW, go Mavs! )

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Timotheus Verinus on June 01, 2011, 09:55:46 AM
Twilight Zone out in the Rockies. Check your record books for this one. 14 Hits to get only 1 Run in a game. You don't win many that way. I'm not even sure how you string the hits together to do that! At least the Giants have an excuse ... perhaps we'll wake up from this dream soon. Meanwhile, With the possible exception of third base there is not a player that I'd trade to improve the position, but when last years batting champ is only hitting 250 what do you do? Quality starts from the starters, solid bullpen, speed and power and 8-21 for the month of May will not cut it.

TV
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 01, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
Twilight Zone out in the Rockies. Check your record books for this one. 14 Hits to get only 1 Run in a game. You don't win many that way. I'm not even sure how you string the hits together to do that! At least the Giants have an excuse ... perhaps we'll wake up from this dream soon. Meanwhile, With the possible exception of third base there is not a player that I'd trade to improve the position, but when last years batting champ is only hitting 250 what do you do? Quality starts from the starters, solid bullpen, speed and power and 8-21 for the month of May will not cut it.

TV

Thanks for explaining the Rockies' tribulations. I must admit that I have not been watching them.  I just checked on them since you were so proud of how they were doing a few weeks ago and noticed that their fortunes had declined.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peterm on June 01, 2011, 04:29:18 PM
As June starts, the Texas Rangers still lead the AL West while the Colorado Rockies have fallen quite a bit in the NL West.

The Yanks still lead the AL East, but the BoSox have been coming up strongly after their early season stumbles.

Speaking of stumbles, the Mets and Twins seem to be rapidly falling out of contention in their divisions.

( Just thought I'd comment on a sport that is actually active right now.  ;D    BTW, go Mavs! )

Mike

Unfortunately, Mike, the Twins fell out of contention a loooooonnnnngg time ago (says this fan who wonders if his favorite team was raptured on the 21st  ;D)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 01, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
As June starts, the Texas Rangers still lead the AL West while the Colorado Rockies have fallen quite a bit in the NL West.

The Yanks still lead the AL East, but the BoSox have been coming up strongly after their early season stumbles.

Speaking of stumbles, the Mets and Twins seem to be rapidly falling out of contention in their divisions.

( Just thought I'd comment on a sport that is actually active right now.  ;D    BTW, go Mavs! )

Mike

Unfortunately, Mike, the Twins fell out of contention a loooooonnnnngg time ago (says this fan who wonders if his favorite team was raptured on the 21st  ;D)

It's only June. There's four whole more months to make up those 15.5 games.  :D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Timotheus Verinus on June 02, 2011, 12:44:48 AM
Twilight Zone out in the Rockies. Check your record books for this one. 14 Hits to get only 1 Run in a game. You don't win many that way. I'm not even sure how you string the hits together to do that! At least the Giants have an excuse ... perhaps we'll wake up from this dream soon. Meanwhile, With the possible exception of third base there is not a player that I'd trade to improve the position, but when last years batting champ is only hitting 250 what do you do? Quality starts from the starters, solid bullpen, speed and power and 8-21 for the month of May will not cut it.

TV

Thanks for explaining the Rockies' tribulations. I must admit that I have not been watching them.  I just checked on them since you were so proud of how they were doing a few weeks ago and noticed that their fortunes had declined.

Mike

Finally!! Jimenez is back! May is over June is here! Ubaldo has a complete game shutout, and his first win of the season, after too many losses. Maybe his fingernail is healed now ... Of course it's just the Dodgers, but it beats May, and the bats found a few runs too.

TV
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 02, 2011, 08:54:41 AM
Finally!! Jimenez is back! May is over June is here! Ubaldo has a complete game shutout, and his first win of the season, after too many losses. Maybe his fingernail is healed now ... Of course it's just the Dodgers, but it beats May, and the bats found a few runs too.

TV

Cool. Thanks for the game report.  The game ended too late to make it into my paper.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on June 02, 2011, 09:44:49 AM
Finally!! Jimenez is back! May is over June is here! Ubaldo has a complete game shutout, and his first win of the season, after too many losses. Maybe his fingernail is healed now ... Of course it's just the Dodgers, but it beats May, and the bats found a few runs too.

Great!  He's now tied with the Phillies' Wilson Valdez* with one win as a pitcher this year.  Of course, Jimenez pitched a complete game shutout, while Valdez only pitched one scoreless inning to earn his first one (ever), albeit the rarely played 19th inning.

I like Jinenez, glad to see him start to get on track.  He's got wicked stuff when he's on.  He's one reason I thought the Rockies would challenge the Phillies for the NL pennant.

*First position player to start the game in the field, and then come in to pitch and earn the victory, since Babe Ruth in 1921. You might have heard about it last week.  "Hard to believe, Harry!"  Valdez goes down in the Phillies oddity record book with other non-descript players such as Steve Jeltz (another lite-hitting infielder), first Phillie ever to hit home runs from both sides of the plate in one game (1989).  Tomas Perez and Jimmy Rollins have since also accomplished this.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 02, 2011, 04:33:32 PM
I like Jinenez, glad to see him start to get on track.  He's got wicked stuff when he's on.  He's one reason I thought the Rockies would challenge the Phillies for the NL pennant.

Yeah, well, with Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Hamels, It seems pretty certain that the Phillies will be challenging someone for the NL pennant and World Series championship.

After all, they are leading the major leagues right now in wins.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on June 09, 2011, 10:15:15 AM
It was great to hear of both the Astros and Rangers drafting players who are currently paralyzed in the later rounds.  Nothing better to perk up the spirits than to be able to say "I was drafted by a major league team."
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: pr dtp on June 09, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
Ahhh - the joy this morning of seeing that NY team's box score....

If only my Red Sox could have scored a point or two more... it would look like a Jets-Miami game (or they would have outscored the Nets)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Scott6 on June 13, 2011, 06:13:02 PM
A great article (http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resources/hockey-players-are-tough.html) about baseball players.  As compared to hockey players.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on June 13, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
In the immortal works of John Kruk (then with the Phillies), "I ain't an athlete, lady, I'm a baseball player."

OTOH, at 52, I'm old enough to remember when ballplayers were as tough as hockey players.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Marshall_Hahn on June 14, 2011, 10:43:52 AM
Hey!  The Twins are no longer the worst team in baseball!  "Houston, we have a problem."

Marshall Hahn
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on June 14, 2011, 12:15:36 PM
In the immortal works of John Kruk (then with the Phillies), "I ain't an athlete, lady, I'm a baseball player."

OTOH, at 52, I'm old enough to remember when ballplayers were as tough as hockey players.

And at a mere 50, I remember players having off-season jobs still, and those wonderfully "in shape" (round is a shape) pitchers like Micky Lolich and Denny McLain.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 16, 2011, 05:20:47 PM
Hey!  The Twins are no longer the worst team in baseball!  "Houston, we have a problem."

Marshall Hahn

The Rangers just got swept by the Yankees and have been in a general slump for the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps like the rest of us in North Texas, they have been too busy watching the Mavericks to concentrate on business.

Anyway, they have an away series and a home series coming up with the Astros so I hope that Houston continues to have a problem so the Rangers can pull out of their slump.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peterm on June 21, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
Hey!  The Twins are no longer the worst team in baseball!  "Houston, we have a problem."

Marshall Hahn

LOLOLOL  Darn riight...here we come
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Marshall_Hahn on June 21, 2011, 01:00:05 PM
Hey!  The Twins are no longer the worst team in baseball!  "Houston, we have a problem."

Marshall Hahn

LOLOLOL  Darn riight...here we come
Lots of laughs, indeed!  The Twins are no longer in the cellar in the AL Central division!  Instead,they are on a 7 game winning streak.  In fact, at 14 - 2, they have the best record in baseball for the month of June!  And have gone from 15 1/2 games out of first place to 7 1/2 behind Cleveland.  And with Joe Mauer back in the lineup, look out!

Marshall Hahn
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 21, 2011, 01:05:41 PM
Unfortunately, Mike, the Twins fell out of contention a loooooonnnnngg time ago (says this fan who wonders if his favorite team was raptured on the 21st  ;D)

It's only June. There's four whole more months to make up those 15.5 games.  :D

Mike

You'll note that even though I was a bit whimsical about it, I didn't count the Twins out despite the fact that they did -- and still do -- have a lot of room to make up.

Still, if anyone wants to trade Mauer for prospects, I'd bet there'd be takers.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Timotheus Verinus on June 25, 2011, 02:23:45 AM
Setting aside the quiet reemergence of Colorado, especially since we are trying to stay below radar. But it is nice to have the highest non-DH batting average in June, and Jimenez's defeat of the Yankees, and the series wins over Cleveland and Detroit, and any way that's not why I'm posting.

Scott!!

 What happened to your #1 baseball team? I'm told South Carolina isn't giving up their defense of the title yet ... Hopefully the dark gloom of despair has not overwhelmed the campus? My condolences. 13 innings just to lose :( Ouch!

TV

PS for onlookers, SC took 2 of 3 from Florida in March.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 27, 2011, 09:05:21 AM
Scott!!

 What happened to your #1 baseball team? I'm told South Carolina isn't giving up their defense of the title yet ... Hopefully the dark gloom of despair has not overwhelmed the campus? My condolences. 13 innings just to lose :( Ouch!

TV

PS for onlookers, SC took 2 of 3 from Florida in March.

College World Series?

Should make time for that.  But it's been hard enough to catch all of the Rangers games I'd like.  Besides once Texas and Texas A & M were out of it I'll admit that I had little interest.

But, hey, the Rockies still have a bit of a need to pick up the pace to stay competitive.  Not even over .500 yet right now.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on June 27, 2011, 09:09:02 AM
I can't stand interleague play.  But I wouldn't mind the Mets playing the Rangers some more, ;)

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 27, 2011, 09:18:33 AM
I can't stand interleague play.  But I wouldn't mind the Mets playing the Rangers some more, ;)

M. Staneck

Right now, they seemed lucky to even take two out of three from Houston at home.

Heading down to Houston this week.  I hope they can at least beat the Disastros down there.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peterm on June 28, 2011, 10:12:24 AM
That was NOT the kind of record to set....(cue music)  Oh where oh where have the Twinkies gone?  Oh where oh where can they be... (I still think they were raptured in May.)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 28, 2011, 10:41:29 AM
That was NOT the kind of record to set....(cue music)  Oh where oh where have the Twinkies gone?  Oh where oh where can they be... (I still think they were raptured in May.)

Nice of Minnesota to give the Dodgers a pick-me-up in the midst of their bankruptcy troubles.

Gives a new definition to Minnesota Nice.  ;D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Timotheus Verinus on June 28, 2011, 11:00:21 AM
And the Gamecocks have now won 3 out of 4 from Florida. Cant' we just call the series and declare them winners yet? (13 innings followed by 11 innings followed by ... oh..iee ouch!)

TV
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peterm on June 28, 2011, 11:05:30 AM
That was NOT the kind of record to set....(cue music)  Oh where oh where have the Twinkies gone?  Oh where oh where can they be... (I still think they were raptured in May.)

Nice of Minnesota to give the Dodgers a pick-me-up in the midst of their bankruptcy troubles.

Gives a new definition to Minnesota Nice.  ;D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peterm on June 28, 2011, 11:07:04 AM
oops hit the wrong button.   :-\  Mike I hadn't thought of that, Good One!  I wonder if it will show up in next week's musings from Lake Woebegone?   ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 11, 2011, 10:06:41 AM
Standings as of the All-Star break:

AL West leader:             Texas Rangers
AL Central leader:          Detroit Tigers
AL East leader:              Boston Red Sox
AL Wild Card leader:       New York Yankees

NL West leader:              San Francisco Giants
NL Central leader (tie):    Milwaukee Brewers
                                    St. Louis Cardinals
NL East leader:               Philadelphia Phillies
NL Wild Card leader:       Atlanta Braves

Mike

EDIT: Because my paper apparently does not like to be consistent in how it lists divisions, and I mixed up NL West and East.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on July 11, 2011, 10:35:45 AM
At the risk of being pedantic (too late! :o), you have your NL geography reversed...

Standings as of the All-Star break:

AL West leader:             Texas Rangers
AL Central leader:          Detroit Tigers
AL East leader:              Boston Red Sox
AL Wild Card leader:       New York Yankees

NL West East leader:              Philadelphia Phillies
NL Central leader (tie):    Milwaukee Brewers
                                    St. Louis Cardinals
NL East West leader:               San Francisco Giants
NL Wild Card leader:       Atlanta Braves

Mike

Go Phils!  Who would be in favor of a second wildcard teams in each league?  I would be, provided the wildcard teams had a one game play-in (and not a 3 game series, very bad  >:(), putting them at a disadvantage to the division winners.  It would put more pressure on the Atlanta Braves, for example, who under current rules likely can coast into the playoffs as the NL Wildcard if they play decent ball the second half--things can change, no other non-division trailing teams really that close to them.  Not sure if this hypothetical second wildcard would be better or worse for my Phils this year, but it would be more interesting.

Having a 3-game wildcard only series would be bad for many reasons, starting with how long the division winners would sit around waiting for their playoffs to start.  Another unintended consequence of the second wilcard would be even more buyers than sellers at the trade deadline, as has been the case in the wildcard era.  Not sure how I feel about that.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 11, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Go Phils!  Who would be in favor of a second wildcard teams in each league? 

Not me.

I am in favor of realignment to two 15-team leagues.  Whether those leagues are divided into three divisions with a wild-card or four divisions each I am not as concerned about.

But I really don't want the dilution (and schedule elongation/revision) which anything more than an eight-team postseason might mean.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 18, 2011, 04:25:54 PM
Texas Rangers enjoying a deserved day off tonight after an 11-game winning streak predating the All-Star break.

Just what will I do with myself tonight with no game to watch.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peterm on July 18, 2011, 05:14:17 PM
Texas Rangers enjoying a deserved day off tonight after an 11-game winning streak predating the All-Star break.

Just what will I do with myself tonight with no game to watch.

Mike

You could watch the Twinkies play the Indians   :o
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 18, 2011, 05:23:40 PM
Texas Rangers enjoying a deserved day off tonight after an 11-game winning streak predating the All-Star break.

Just what will I do with myself tonight with no game to watch.

Mike

You could watch the Twinkies play the Indians   :o

Yeah, perhaps the Twins can even win the second game after losing to the Indians this afternoon, 5-2.

Man, half the teams get today off and the Twins and Indians have to play two.  That's gotta suck for anyone but the fans.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: peterm on July 19, 2011, 09:30:07 AM
especially because Y'all down in Texas decided to export your summer weather.  You can have it back now....
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 19, 2011, 09:40:00 AM
especially because Y'all down in Texas decided to export your summer weather.  You can have it back now....

I wish we had exported it.  We've had 17 consecutive days in the 100s in the DFW area.

I bet you guys are regretting giving up the dome for an open-air park now.  Snowouts in the "spring" followed by scorching days that are truly summer.   Of course, the way you guys are going, I doubt you'll have to worru about snow in post-season October games.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 25, 2011, 08:24:35 AM
Rangers still hanging on by their fingernails to first place in the AL West.

Good thing that the Twinkies are coming into town. We could use another extended winning streak!   :D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: PTMcCain on July 25, 2011, 09:04:22 AM
Go Cards!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 25, 2011, 09:13:18 AM
Go Cards!

That NL Central is a real dogfight these days.

As an old-time Cards fan, I join you in pulling for them.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: PTMcCain on July 25, 2011, 09:29:20 AM
Makes the baseball season a lot more fun when there is some great competition, oh, and when the Cards win a lot.

:)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 25, 2011, 11:37:41 AM
So as some here know, I caught a foul ball at Citi Field on Wednesday night.  I was on my cell talking, yelled "HEY!" as the ball came to me, phone in right hand (like glove, since I'm a lefty) and caught the ball with the phone, ball hitting the "terminate call" button.  This was at a game featuring the Mets v St. Louis.

So yesterday at the installation of Pr. Matt Gonzalez in the Bronx, who is the definitive Yankee fan, I commented on the beauty of the Church as one, holy, catholic and apostolic.  To illustrate, I said, "So Pastor Gonzalez, I'm handing this baseball to you to hold.  It has been passed from a Cardinal bat to the hand of a Bishop to the hand of a Pastor." 

And that, my friends, is apostolic succession, baseball version.  They laughed, they cried, they loved it.  Mostly they perspired.  I of course was not giving up the ball, nor would the Yankee fan accept it permanently.  But all baseballs say the same thing - "Major League Baseball."  The Pastoral office is Major League Baseball.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: PTMcCain on July 25, 2011, 11:43:48 AM
And what is the spiritual meaning of the special mud they rub on each ball before a game, in a time-honored ritual observed in the umpire's locker room at every MLB stadium before game time?

I'm referring to Lena Blackburne Rubbing Mud

No, I'm not making this up. You can read all about it here. (http://baseballrubbingmud.com/)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 25, 2011, 11:53:53 AM
Great story, Paul.  There's a similar thing with basketballs in terms of the slick/shiny thing that gets in the way of the shooter's touch.  No mud, just the use of weathered old balls rather than new ones.  Back in the day when I could actually hold and shoot one of those, we used a fingernail file on the tips of our fingers to ensure the elusive "touch."  Once in awhile it even worked.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on July 26, 2011, 10:39:41 AM
Go Cards!

That NL Central is a real dogfight these days.
As an old-time Cards fan, I join you in pulling for them.
Mike

Yeah, what they said!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 26, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
If the Mets were in that lowly Central division, they'd be a contender.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: PTMcCain on July 26, 2011, 10:50:30 AM
Lowly? LOWLY?

I am now offended.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on July 26, 2011, 11:04:07 AM
Speaking of lowly...LOWLY...

Last night in the post game the poster boy for all things lowly, but not in the Great Reversal Eschatological sense, Mets OFer Jason Bay was asked about any frustration that because of the division they're in they are quite a ways out but if they were in the Reds division they'd certainly be in the thick of things.  Lowly Jay Bay said, "It is what it is.  We have to go out and do what's in front of us." 

Perhaps a defeatist and lowly attitude, but I should note that Lowly Jay Bay, in perhaps a glimpse of the eschaton feast (foretaste?) to come, got a key RBI double in a four run inning that won the game for the Mets. 

The opposite of lowly?  Certainly it is the Bronx, but not in the sense of the Yankees (who are for sure part of those Jesus talks about when in the Eschaton the FIRST shall be LAST), but rather in the sense of Trinity Lutheran in the Bronx.  I had the dual honor of watching someone who is becoming a good friend of mine installed as a pastor as well as hearing that Cardinal-Bishop-Pastor joke in person.  The packed in 120 degree room exploded in laughter.  Perhaps we were all a little delirious at that point. 

What are some folks thoughts on an additional Wild Card and/or a re-alignment that effectively scraps divisions and goes with the top so many teams in the league as to avoid something like what is happening to the lowly Mets (and others) this year where they'd be in an exciting dog fight in another division but rather are left to listlessly defend for themselves by way of being in another division?

Would these (and other) changes be like adding a book to Scripture or altering the liturgy or ascribing to the Altered Augsburg Confession?  Where do the posters of ALPB come down on MLB re-alignment/extra Wild Card teams?

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 27, 2011, 12:06:28 PM
What are some folks thoughts on an additional Wild Card and/or a re-alignment that effectively scraps divisions and goes with the top so many teams in the league as to avoid something like what is happening to the lowly Mets (and others) this year where they'd be in an exciting dog fight in another division but rather are left to listlessly defend for themselves by way of being in another division?

Matt,

A couple of very non-theological thoughts in a frivolous thread.

1.  I really don't know how in favor I am of anything that dilutes the quality of the teams that make the post-season and usually thereby chills the excitement of the regular season.  Many already see the regular season in hockey and basketball as somewhat meaningless; you just need to make the post-season.  The NFL seems to be starting to move there.  As much as I do like the Mets and loathe the damn Yankees, I am also not certain how much I want to keep teams at .500 or floating just above it in contention.

Division winners in a division in which all in it are around .500 may be a bit different.  Right now, those in divisions tend to play each other more, and this may indicate parity.  When the Phillies and Mets play each other a lot on the other hand and the teams are this far apart, I think that says they actually are on different levels.

2. This is perhaps the most wrong time of the season to ask this of me or others.  Teams are now in the process of determining whether they are buyers or sellers as the trade deadline approaches.  Expand the number of wild-card slots and you shift that balance.  Perhaps some believe in a favorable way.  I don't agree with them.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 28, 2011, 09:24:18 AM
OK, so I guess the Rangers are finding out that the Twinkies aren't exactly the creampuffs they appeared to be.

And Minnesota still has an outside chance in the AL Central whereas they would have been long buried if they were in the AL East.

Perhaps this expanded wild-card thing has more potential than I've given it (especially since it seems the Rangers might end up needing it  ;)  )

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on July 28, 2011, 09:31:04 AM

Matt,

A couple of very non-theological thoughts in a frivolous thread.

1.  I really don't know how in favor I am of anything that dilutes the quality of the teams that make the post-season and usually thereby chills the excitement of the regular season.  Many already see the regular season in hockey and basketball as somewhat meaningless; you just need to make the post-season.  The NFL seems to be starting to move there.  As much as I do like the Mets and loathe the damn Yankees, I am also not certain how much I want to keep teams at .500 or floating just above it in contention.

Division winners in a division in which all in it are around .500 may be a bit different.  Right now, those in divisions tend to play each other more, and this may indicate parity.  When the Phillies and Mets play each other a lot on the other hand and the teams are this far apart, I think that says they actually are on different levels.

2. This is perhaps the most wrong time of the season to ask this of me or others.  Teams are now in the process of determining whether they are buyers or sellers as the trade deadline approaches.  Expand the number of wild-card slots and you shift that balance.  Perhaps some believe in a favorable way.  I don't agree with them.

Mike

Mike, fair enough.  Though a counter argument would be, all things being equal, the Mets with their 2 games above .500 record would be fighting for an NL playoff spot with the teams in the central right now.  Or to take it a step further, if the Mets were in the NL central they'd be right in the thick of it to win the actual division.

I personally do not like the idea of abandoning divisions, and am uneasy on adding another Wild Card, but I think there are some decent points to be made where a team like the Mets can (and probably will) finish third in the NL East, but potentially a team with a worse record than them can (and maybe will) win another division and have home field advantage to boot. 

PS: Tell your boys thanks for upping the ante so the Giants bit and gave the Mets Wheeler for Beltran.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 28, 2011, 09:45:47 AM
PS: Tell your boys thanks for upping the ante so the Giants bit and gave the Mets Wheeler for Beltran.

If Leonys Martin pans out, then you're welcome.  We weren't giving him up.

Besides, we want Heath Bell or if not him, a decent reliever at least to supplement Feliz.  Don't want to have to pull Ogando back into the bullpen, but I think we'll do that if we must.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 08, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
Rangers holding on by their fingernails to first place against the Angels.

Yankees are not against the Red Sox.  :)

Twinkies falling fast.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on August 08, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
While ESPN makes the Cardinals the most imoportant team in the NL Central,  the beloved Brewers are still in first place.  14 games over .500.  And their winning streak is just as long as the Cards.

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 09, 2011, 08:17:21 AM
While ESPN makes the Cardinals the most imoportant team in the NL Central,  the beloved Brewers are still in first place.  14 games over .500.  And their winning streak is just as long as the Cards.

Tom Myhre

Hmm.

Well, I am a Cards fan.  I admitted to that a few days ago.

But we were talking about a second wild-card the other day.  That would give both the Brewers and the Cards a chance to make the post-season.  And I've really no love for Turner's Braves.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on August 09, 2011, 08:39:18 PM
Well then your Cards are just going to have to play better than the Braves., but just not quite as good as the Brewers.

Tom
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on August 10, 2011, 12:15:07 AM
Brewers 5-3 in extra innings.  Four game lead.  16 games over .500.  God is great.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on August 10, 2011, 10:39:11 PM
Brewers win 5-1.  Five in a row.  5 game lead.  17 games over .500.

Go Brew Crew.

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: David Garner on August 10, 2011, 10:48:18 PM
While ESPN makes the Cardinals the most imoportant team in the NL Central,  the beloved Brewers are still in first place.  14 games over .500.  And their winning streak is just as long as the Cards.

Tom Myhre

Hmm.

Well, I am a Cards fan.  I admitted to that a few days ago.

But we were talking about a second wild-card the other day.  That would give both the Brewers and the Cards a chance to make the post-season.  And I've really no love for Turner's Braves.

Mike

I have good news for you -- Ted Turner hasn't owned the Braves for 15 years.  Feel free to pull for us.

I'm going to the game next week.  5th row behind the 1st base dugout versus the Giants.  Bonus:  it's Dan Uggla bobblehead night.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 11, 2011, 08:23:39 AM
I have good news for you -- Ted Turner hasn't owned the Braves for 15 years.  Feel free to pull for us.

Wow. Really?  Who owns them now?  And if it is just TBS Inc instead of Turner himself, I kind of consider that a dodge.

On another note, isn't that about when they started losing?  They won it all in 1995, made a few division championships afterward and then fell from notice -- at least mine.

Never did become a Braves or Cubs or White Sox fan even though -- perhaps because -- basic cable inundated me with their games.  I really don't know how I would feel about the Cards if KMOX had gone basic cable superstation; somehow, I think I still would like them.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: David Garner on August 11, 2011, 08:32:02 AM
I have good news for you -- Ted Turner hasn't owned the Braves for 15 years.  Feel free to pull for us.

Wow. Really?  Who owns them now?  And if it is just TBS Inc instead of Turner himself, I kind of consider that a dodge.

On another note, isn't that about when they started losing?  They won it all in 1995, made a few division championships afterward and then fell from notice -- at least mine.

Never did become a Braves or Cubs or White Sox fan even though -- perhaps because -- basic cable inundated me with their games.  I really don't know how I would feel about the Cards if KMOX had gone basic cable superstation; somehow, I think I still would like them.  ;)

Mike

No, Time Warner bought CNN back in 1996 and the Braves went with them, then they sold out to some conglomerate group (which is why we never sign pricey free agents).  Some folks have actually called for Turner to buy the club back, but I'm not among them.  I'd rather some altruistic Braves fan with a large pocketbook and the willingness to hire a good staff and let them run the team buy them.  Sort of like what we have with Arthur Blank and the Falcons.

And no, it was about 10 years after that they started having issues.  I don't know that they've been losing, but until last year they hadn't made the playoffs in about 5 years or so.  I've been one who said Bobby Cox is to blame for that, but now that he's retired, I suppose we'll find out.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on August 11, 2011, 10:41:41 AM
I have good news for you -- Ted Turner hasn't owned the Braves for 15 years.  Feel free to pull for us.

Wow. Really?  Who owns them now?  And if it is just TBS Inc instead of Turner himself, I kind of consider that a dodge.

On another note, isn't that about when they started losing?  They won it all in 1995, made a few division championships afterward and then fell from notice -- at least mine.

Never did become a Braves or Cubs or White Sox fan even though -- perhaps because -- basic cable inundated me with their games.  I really don't know how I would feel about the Cards if KMOX had gone basic cable superstation; somehow, I think I still would like them.  ;)

Mike

No, Time Warner bought CNN back in 1996 and the Braves went with them, then they sold out to some conglomerate group (which is why we never sign pricey free agents).  Some folks have actually called for Turner to buy the club back, but I'm not among them.  I'd rather some altruistic Braves fan with a large pocketbook and the willingness to hire a good staff and let them run the team buy them.  Sort of like what we have with Arthur Blank and the Falcons.

And no, it was about 10 years after that they started having issues.  I don't know that they've been losing, but until last year they hadn't made the playoffs in about 5 years or so.  I've been one who said Bobby Cox is to blame for that, but now that he's retired, I suppose we'll find out.

Tell you what...we'll trade you Peter Angelos and a box of Ritz Crackers for your ownership group....

Art, the transplanted Tigers fan now in Balmer, hon.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on August 21, 2011, 10:52:08 PM
My condolences to Bishop Benke as his Metropolitans took it on the chin this past weekend.  However for Wisconsinites it was good - a packer win on Friday night and then the Brewer sweep.

It must be God's Country.

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 23, 2011, 07:10:15 AM
Two Texas teams moving in dramatically different directions.

The Texas Rangers are 7-3 over their last ten and shut out the mighty Red Sox last night.

Meanwhile, the Houston Astros have been mathematically eliminated from contention in the NL Central.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 06, 2011, 02:11:14 PM
Standings after Labor Day:

AL West leader:             Texas Rangers
AL Central leader:          Detroit Tigers
AL East leader:              New York Yankees
AL Wild Card leader:       Boston Red Sox

NL West leader:              Arizona Diamondbacks
NL Central leader:          Milwaukee Brewers
NL East leader:               Philadelphia Phillies
NL Wild Card leader:       Atlanta Braves

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on September 06, 2011, 04:23:50 PM
And as the Rangers seem to be content to play .500 ball lately, the Angels are in their rear view mirror. And objects in the rear-view mirror are closer than they appear......

The Rangers need to just SNAP OUT OF IT   or I won't be watching October baseball! :o
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 06, 2011, 04:56:15 PM
And as the Rangers seem to be content to play .500 ball lately, the Angels are in their rear view mirror. An objects in the rear-view mirror are closer than they appear......

The Rangers need to just SNAP OUT OF IT   or I won't be watching October baseball! :o

You live in Texas.  That red glow is cooling in the DFW area.  It is 20 degrees cooler today than it was a week ago.

Playing .500 ball against the Red Sox and Rays while beating up on the Angels pretty good when they do meet is not bad.

I'm hoping that not having to play in a blast furnace will let them sweep the A's when the Rangers return home this weekend.  After that, I'll take .500 against an Indians team that is fighting for its life.  We'll see where we stand then.

The Angels are still fighting an uphill battle.  I don't think they can do it.  Famous last words I know.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on September 06, 2011, 05:02:15 PM
I hope you're right. But as I am an Astros fan, you can empathize with my cynicism.... :-X
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on September 06, 2011, 06:05:12 PM
And as the Rangers seem to be content to play .500 ball lately, the Angels are in their rear view mirror. An objects in the rear-view mirror are closer than they appear......


Playing .500 ball against the Red Sox and Rays while beating up on the Angels pretty good when they do meet is not bad....
 
The Angels are still fighting an uphill battle.  I don't think they can do it.  Famous last words I know.


This nearly life-long Angel fan ("nearly" because I'm 2 years older than the team) responds that we weren't supposed to make September in the AL West interesting, much less be in the running.  But despite that costly winter acquisition Vernon Wells playing even worse than anticipated, here it is post-Labor Day and we're only 2 1/2 out instead of 10+.  While I agree it is an uphill battle, those last three games of the season (the Rangers coming to the Big A) are looking pretty meaningful.

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on September 06, 2011, 06:07:45 PM
And as the Rangers seem to be content to play .500 ball lately, the Angels are in their rear view mirror. An objects in the rear-view mirror are closer than they appear......


Playing .500 ball against the Red Sox and Rays while beating up on the Angels pretty good when they do meet is not bad....
 
The Angels are still fighting an uphill battle.  I don't think they can do it.  Famous last words I know.


This nearly life-long Angel fan ("nearly" because I'm 2 years older than the team) responds that we weren't supposed to make September in the AL West interesting, much less be in the running.  But despite that costly winter acquisition Vernon Wells playing even worse than anticipated, here it is post-Labor Day and we're only 2 1/2 out instead of 10+.  While I agree it is an uphill battle, those last three games of the season (the Rangers coming to the Big A) are looking pretty meaningful.

Pax, Steven+

Absolutely...to see who the Tigers will clobber in the playoffs.... 8)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 07, 2011, 07:31:27 AM
And as the Rangers seem to be content to play .500 ball lately, the Angels are in their rear view mirror. An objects in the rear-view mirror are closer than they appear......


Playing .500 ball against the Red Sox and Rays while beating up on the Angels pretty good when they do meet is not bad....
 
The Angels are still fighting an uphill battle.  I don't think they can do it.  Famous last words I know.


This nearly life-long Angel fan ("nearly" because I'm 2 years older than the team) responds that we weren't supposed to make September in the AL West interesting, much less be in the running.  But despite that costly winter acquisition Vernon Wells playing even worse than anticipated, here it is post-Labor Day and we're only 2 1/2 out instead of 10+.  While I agree it is an uphill battle, those last three games of the season (the Rangers coming to the Big A) are looking pretty meaningful.

Pax, Steven+

It's 3 1/2 now.  ;)   If the Rangers reach those last three games in Anaheim with them being meaningful -- that is, their having to win more than one of them -- then the season will have been all but lost for them.

BTW, Pr. PeterM, I see that the Twins have been officially eliminated. My condolences.

Mike

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 08, 2011, 08:33:20 AM
Well, the Cubbies have once again been eliminated from being in the postseason.

There's always next year.

Meanwhile, the Rangers lead is back down to 2 1/2 games.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 14, 2011, 03:19:29 PM
Setting aside the quiet reemergence of Colorado, especially since we are trying to stay below radar. But it is nice to have the highest non-DH batting average in June, and Jimenez's defeat of the Yankees, and the series wins over Cleveland and Detroit, and any way that's not why I'm posting.

Sorry, TV.  After a pretty strong start early in the season, the Rockies have now been officially eliminated from post-season eligibility.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 14, 2011, 05:28:02 PM
The Philadelphia Phillies have officially clinched a spot in the post-season.

Their magic number for clinching the NL East is now 4.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SCPO on September 14, 2011, 07:03:14 PM
Absolutely...to see who the Tigers will clobber in the playoffs.... 8)

    Tigers win again to go 2 1/2 up on the Rangers for a first round home playoff series.   They scored 3 in the 9th to tie and won it in the 10th.  It would sure be nice if the Indian's could take at least one from the Rangers.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on September 14, 2011, 07:47:24 PM
Absolutely...to see who the Tigers will clobber in the playoffs.... 8)
Tigers win again to go 2 1/2 up on the Rangers for a first round home playoff series.   They scored 3 in the 9th to tie and won it in the 10th.  It would sure be nice if the Indian's could take at least one from the Rangers.
The Rangers don't WANT home field advantage; like the rest of us down here this summer, they're just trying to escape the heat! ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 15, 2011, 02:35:34 PM
Absolutely...to see who the Tigers will clobber in the playoffs.... 8)
Tigers win again to go 2 1/2 up on the Rangers for a first round home playoff series.   They scored 3 in the 9th to tie and won it in the 10th.  It would sure be nice if the Indian's could take at least one from the Rangers.
The Rangers don't WANT home field advantage; like the rest of us down here this summer, they're just trying to escape the heat! ;D

This is true.  It got back up into the 100's again this week although it's cooled off again now.  Jacket weather up East for the playoffs sounds a lot better than Indian summer down here.

Speaking of up East, the Mets have  been officially eliminated from post-season eligibility.

Mike

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 16, 2011, 04:54:49 PM
Speaking of golf, how about that Mark Wilson.  Right now #2 in the FedEx Cup, which pays a tidy $10 million to the winner.  And him wearing at every event the same logo on his shirts:  "Time of Grace."  Mark Jeske, WELS extraordinaire, I'm sure encourages a tithe off the gross.  I know I would.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 16, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
Pitching for the Braves against the Mets right now is reliever Scott Linebrink.  And therein lies an amazing baseball tale.  Because you see, Scott has never given up an earned run.  Reason - it is completely against his theological beliefs.  His mother is Franz Pieper's grand-daughter, and so it is imbued in him that nothing salvific (having to do with a "save") can be earned.   He places an asterisk next to all runs declared by others to be "earned."  Believe it or not.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on September 17, 2011, 12:16:35 PM
Tonight it's Lutheran Night at the Braves, organized by the folks at Thrivent Financial for Lutherans. 920 tickets were sold, Thrivent has a hot dog tent for Lutherans to mingle outside Turner Field before the game.

Learning Scott Linebrink's connection to Lutheranism is welcome news. Ever since Jeff Francouer (WELS, Sola Fide Lutheran, Lawrenceville, GA) was traded we've lacked for meaningful reformation-subplots on the diamond. 

Most years Lutheran Night at the Braves is scheduled against the St. Louis Cardinals, to the delight of Lutherans with connections to that part of the country. This year the Lutherans will watch the Braves play New York's most likable professional baseball team. A welcome change for this baseball fan.

All this has led me to wonder, for which other professional clubs are there enough interested Lutherans to sponsor a Lutheran night?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 17, 2011, 12:21:03 PM
We watched theBraves v Mets with Scott's folks this July at Citifield on Lutheran night - 500 or so.  I think they had one at the other stadium too.  Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on September 17, 2011, 01:33:33 PM
Tonight it's Lutheran Night at the Braves, organized by the folks at Thrivent Financial for Lutherans. 920 tickets were sold, Thrivent has a hot dog tent for Lutherans to mingle outside Turner Field before the game.

Learning Scott Linebrink's connection to Lutheranism is welcome news. Ever since Jeff Francouer (WELS, Sola Fide Lutheran, Lawrenceville, GA) was traded we've lacked for meaningful reformation-subplots on the diamond. 

Most years Lutheran Night at the Braves is scheduled against the St. Louis Cardinals, to the delight of Lutherans with connections to that part of the country. This year the Lutherans will watch the Braves play New York's most likable professional baseball team. A welcome change for this baseball fan.

All this has led me to wonder, for which other professional clubs are there enough interested Lutherans to sponsor a Lutheran night?

We used to have a huge turnout at good old Tigers Stadium in the 70s for Lutheran Night.

All it takes for such an event is someone or a group to go and sell a 1000 or so tickets to a game (normally one where attendance is bad....like Tuesday night in Baltimore against anyone except The Red Sox or Yankees). In some cases, even less than 1000 will do the trick.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 19, 2011, 08:28:14 AM
Pennant Race Standings as of Sept. 19 morning:

Texas Rangers               AL West  Magic Number: 6
Detroit Tigers                  AL Central Division Champion
New York Yankees       AL East Magic Number: 7
                                          Post-season Berth Magic Number:  5
Boston Red Sox            AL Wild Card Magic Number: 9

Arizona Diamondbacks    NL West Magic Number:  5
Milwaukee Brewers          NL Central Magic Number: 4
Philadelphia Phillies        NL East Division Champions
Atlanta Braves                   NL Wild Card Magic Number: 7

All it takes for such an event is someone or a group to go and sell a 1000 or so tickets to a game (normally one where attendance is bad....like Tuesday night in Baltimore against anyone except The Red Sox or Yankees). In some cases, even less than 1000 will do the trick.

Thrivent usually has its Lutheran group sale for a June afternoon at Rangers Ballpark.  On a Sunday no less.

I don't want to sit in the heat nor do I want to skip the adult Bible Study class to get to a baseball game on time -- even one connected to Lutherans -- so I usually don't go.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 22, 2011, 08:37:56 AM
The Yankees have clinched the AL East.

Meanwhile, in New York baseball, the Mets are now assured of a losing season.

The Red Sox and Braves are quickly falling out of what looked like assured wild-card spots and may lose them to the Rays/Angels and Cardinals respectively.

And, of course, my concern.  The Texas Rangers magic number stands at 3, and they should clinch this weekend.  Wish I had tickets!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 23, 2011, 08:34:36 AM
Pennant Race Standings going into the last weekend of the season:

Texas Rangers               AL West  Magic Number: 2
Detroit Tigers                  AL Central Division Champion
New York Yankees       AL East Division Champion
Boston Red Sox            AL Wild Card Magic Number: 5

Arizona Diamondbacks    NL West Magic Number:  2
Milwaukee Brewers          NL Central Magic Number: 2
Philadelphia Phillies        NL East Division Champions
Atlanta Braves                   NL Wild Card Magic Number: 5

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Believers
Post by: Michael Slusser on September 23, 2011, 11:37:20 PM
The way it's gone for the Twins: tonight, Danny Valencia and Denard Span (only the two best players currently standing) knock each other out. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/15629834/twins-valencia-span-out-of-lineup-after-fender-bender (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/15629834/twins-valencia-span-out-of-lineup-after-fender-bender)

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Luke Zimmerman on September 23, 2011, 11:58:12 PM
My Milwaukee Brewers have clinched the NL Central Division. First division win since 1982, when they advanced to the World Series and lost to the St. Louis Cardinals.

Somewhere in the photo album is a picture from 1982 of a kindergarten student in Clayton, MO, wearing a Brewers cap amidst 20 other students wearing their Cardinals stuff. :)

Don't remember much from 1982; here's hoping for major memories in 2011!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on September 24, 2011, 12:00:34 AM
My Milwaukee Brewers have clinched the NL Central Division. First division win since 1982, when they advanced to the World Series and lost to the St. Louis Cardinals.

Somewhere in the photo album is a picture from 1982 of a kindergarten student in Clayton, MO, wearing a Brewers cap amidst 20 other students wearing their Cardinals stuff. Don't remember much from 1982; here's hoping for major memories in 2011!

MIlwaukee is a fun club to watch, Pr. Luke.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on September 24, 2011, 07:40:53 AM
My Milwaukee Brewers have clinched the NL Central Division. First division win since 1982, when they advanced to the World Series and lost to the St. Louis Cardinals.

Somewhere in the photo album is a picture from 1982 of a kindergarten student in Clayton, MO, wearing a Brewers cap amidst 20 other students wearing their Cardinals stuff. :)

Don't remember much from 1982; here's hoping for major memories in 2011!

Oh goodness....I graduated college in '82....you are such a puppy!  LOL
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 26, 2011, 09:11:31 AM
My Milwaukee Brewers have clinched the NL Central Division. First division win since 1982, when they advanced to the World Series and lost to the St. Louis Cardinals.

The Texas Rangers have clinched the AL West too, and the Diamondbacks the NL West.

Only the wild card races remain which have become much more competitive due to the Red Sox' and Braves' slumps.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on September 26, 2011, 11:46:18 AM
My Milwaukee Brewers have clinched the NL Central Division. First division win since 1982, when they advanced to the World Series and lost to the St. Louis Cardinals.

Somewhere in the photo album is a picture from 1982 of a kindergarten student in Clayton, MO, wearing a Brewers cap amidst 20 other students wearing their Cardinals stuff. :)

Don't remember much from 1982; here's hoping for major memories in 2011!

Oh goodness....I graduated college in '82....you are such a puppy!  LOL

But to be a real Brewer fan you had to be there in 1970 when they opened the season for the first time in Milwaukee having been transplanted there from Seattle, two weeks before the season started.  Skipped Dr. J Henry Gienapp's Senior English class with 30 classmates from Concordia High School (walked to County Stadium from the old Concordia Campus) and we had to answer to Prof. Bill Ackmann the next day in religion class.  Asked where were we. We said the Brewer game.  Did they win?  No sir, they lost 10-0.  Well then you guys have suffered enough.

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 28, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
Wild card races going down to the wire.

The Red Sox and Rays are tied up as are the Braves and Cardinals.

ESPN and ESPN2 are supposed to be carrying all four of the games for these teams -- based on regional coverage I guess -- so we ought to be able to see how this all works out.

Play-in games if either race is still tied after today will be played tomorrow and carried by TBS I think.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on September 28, 2011, 05:19:31 PM
Something to argue about for sabermetricians - somebody at Sterling Mets, who won a reasonably big decision in the Madoff case yesterday, did the math on Jose Reyes winning the batting title.  So when he got a bunt single in the first inning today, they pulled him inmediatemente, which angered the on-site fans.  Reason - his average went to the place where the Brewers' Braun will have to go 3/3, 3/4 or 4/5 in order to beat Reyes.  As a Met fan, I hope Braun gets walked twice and then goes 2/2, losing by .008 or some marginal fraction.  Moneyball.  Now as a Mets fan, the other thing is - won't Reyes be worth MORE if he wins the batting title?  I would think so.  But what do we know?

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: exegete77 on September 29, 2011, 03:20:01 AM
My Milwaukee Brewers have clinched the NL Central Division. First division win since 1982, when they advanced to the World Series and lost to the St. Louis Cardinals.

Somewhere in the photo album is a picture from 1982 of a kindergarten student in Clayton, MO, wearing a Brewers cap amidst 20 other students wearing their Cardinals stuff. :)

Don't remember much from 1982; here's hoping for major memories in 2011!
We lived upstairs from you, and remember you well. I also remember that fall very well, my first year at seminary (I was second career). I was torn, because I liked the Cardinals, but I most often cheer for the underdog, and really wanted to see Milwaukee win.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 29, 2011, 07:55:56 AM
Something to argue about for sabermetricians - somebody at Sterling Mets, who won a reasonably big decision in the Madoff case yesterday, did the math on Jose Reyes winning the batting title.  So when he got a bunt single in the first inning today, they pulled him inmediatemente, which angered the on-site fans.  Reason - his average went to the place where the Brewers' Braun will have to go 3/3, 3/4 or 4/5 in order to beat Reyes.  As a Met fan, I hope Braun gets walked twice and then goes 2/2, losing by .008 or some marginal fraction.  Moneyball.  Now as a Mets fan, the other thing is - won't Reyes be worth MORE if he wins the batting title?  I would think so.  But what do we know?

Dave Benke

Braun went 0-4 so Reyes got his batting title.  I can't blame him for what he did.  The Mets-Reds game was meaningless in terms of any post-season implications.

But despite allegations that the Yankees gave the game away to the Rays -- why not just serve up one more juicy one then rather than go into extra innings -- it seems that both the Phillies and Yankees played admirably and into extra innings when they could have selfishly just packed it in to get more rest before the playoffs.

The Red Sox and Braves completed their collapses.  Great night of baseball last night.  Worth being tired this morning.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on September 29, 2011, 10:33:08 AM
And Tampa Fans, you may sent us Baltimoreans your love, thanks, and tribute....  8)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 29, 2011, 11:40:53 AM
And Tampa Fans, you may sent us Baltimoreans your love, thanks, and tribute....  8)

While this Rangers fan appreciated the joy the Orioles fans took in being spoilers, I still kind of wished that the Rangers might have been able to take on the slumping Red Sox rather than the surging Rays in the ALDS.

At least, the Rangers kept to a better record than Detroit so that they could avoid the damned Yankees.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 02, 2011, 07:32:39 PM
The Cheese, the Beer, the Sausage:
Brewers win two (most likely)
Badgers crush Nebraska
Packers crush Denver

Here in NYC, we raised a stein to the old home state.  By the way, did anyone see how it rained at Yankee Stadium?  It wasn't raining in Queens, where I live, or Brooklyn where I had been most of the day, or Manhattan or Staten Island.  Only over Yankee Stadium, when the Yankees had a rally going.  Weird, very weird.

Dave Benke 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on October 02, 2011, 08:29:50 PM
maybe they should have a retractable roof

Tom
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 02, 2011, 11:21:45 PM
The Cheese, the Beer, the Sausage:
Brewers win two (most likely)
Badgers crush Nebraska
Packers crush Denver

Here in NYC, we raised a stein to the old home state.  By the way, did anyone see how it rained at Yankee Stadium?  It wasn't raining in Queens, where I live, or Brooklyn where I had been most of the day, or Manhattan or Staten Island.  Only over Yankee Stadium, when the Yankees had a rally going.  Weird, very weird.

Dave Benke

Husband (native Wisconsonite) and I are traveling in Wisconsin this weekend.  Folks here are calling this the "Sports Trifecta" and a few hardy and lucky souls with the right tickets went to all three venues Sat-Sun.  My husband calls this the greatest weekend in the history of sports in Wisconsin.  This is one happy state tonight!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 04, 2011, 05:22:15 PM
The Cheese, the Beer, the Sausage:
Brewers win two (most likely)
Badgers crush Nebraska
Packers crush Denver

Here in NYC, we raised a stein to the old home state.  By the way, did anyone see how it rained at Yankee Stadium?  It wasn't raining in Queens, where I live, or Brooklyn where I had been most of the day, or Manhattan or Staten Island.  Only over Yankee Stadium, when the Yankees had a rally going.  Weird, very weird.

Dave Benke

Husband (native Wisconsonite) and I are traveling in Wisconsin this weekend.  Folks here are calling this the "Sports Trifecta" and a few hardy and lucky souls with the right tickets went to all three venues Sat-Sun.  My husband calls this the greatest weekend in the history of sports in Wisconsin.  This is one happy state tonight!

Interesting.  Looks like it may be Milwaukee vs. St. Louis in the NLCS.  The Cubs are nowhere in that mix.

In other news...

Texas just won their ALDS series over the Rays!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 06, 2011, 11:59:46 PM
And the Rangers will next meet . . . THE DETROIT TIGERS (not the Bronx Bombers).

A Detroit-Milwaukee World Series would be nice.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 07, 2011, 07:54:25 AM
And the Rangers will next meet . . . THE DETROIT TIGERS (not the Bronx Bombers).

A Detroit-Milwaukee World Series would be nice.

Peace,
Michael

Texas - Milwaukee would be even better.  ;)

Bye-Bye, Yankees. So glad you got saddled with A-Fraud.

Bring it on, Tigers!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SCPO on October 07, 2011, 09:00:48 AM
And the Rangers will next meet . . . THE DETROIT TIGERS (not the Bronx Bombers).

A Detroit-Milwaukee World Series would be nice.

Peace,
Michael

     "If they can do it there, they can do it anywhere"

      Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: James Gustafson on October 07, 2011, 09:43:01 AM
And the Rangers will next meet . . . THE DETROIT TIGERS (not the Bronx Bombers).

A Detroit-Milwaukee World Series would be nice.

Peace,
Michael

     "If they can do it there, they can do it anywhere"

      Go Tigers!

That was a nerve wracking series and game 5 was seriously stressful!  LOL, good game! 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 07, 2011, 09:46:40 AM
And the Rangers will next meet . . . THE DETROIT TIGERS (not the Bronx Bombers).

A Detroit-Milwaukee World Series would be nice.

Peace,
Michael

     "If they can do it there, they can do it anywhere"

      Go Tigers!

That was a nerve wracking series and game 5 was seriously stressful!  LOL, good game!

It's nerve-wracking only if you care who wins.

I loved the closeness of the game and how well it was played.  I paid rapt attention because I wanted to know who the Rangers would face, bvut i was OK with either team.

Still, it was nice to see the Yankees blow it especially with A-Rod striking out to end the game.  :)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on October 07, 2011, 11:43:12 AM
Random thoughts ;)

Yes the evil empire has fallen. 

And wouldn't be great to see a suds city series for the NL crown.

Guess Pujols got his wish for a prime time game tonight, now if he can come through.

What would the networks do without an east coast team in the championships?

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Evangel on October 07, 2011, 11:57:09 AM
... What would the networks do without an east coast team in the championships? ...

Lose money.   ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 07, 2011, 11:58:06 AM
What would the networks do without an east coast team in the championships?

Joe Buck will just go on even more strongly than he already does about how baseball is too slow, and he does not watch it unless he has to broadcast.

http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/07/joe-buck-admits-he-rarely-watches.html

What a disgrace to his father, the great Jack Buck, a baseball announcer extraordinaire.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 07, 2011, 12:00:11 PM
... What would the networks do without an east coast team in the championships? ...

Lose money.   ;)

They'll lose money anyway.  The day will soon come when the World Series will be available only on cable.

But Fox seems to like the prestige the national pastime gives it even if its lead broadcaster doesn't.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on October 07, 2011, 01:58:08 PM
That's two shots against Joe Buck.  What's your issue with him?  That he does a delightful job?  That he calls Cardinals games locally a few times a year?  That he's always on television and radio and some years he gets to call both the World Series and the Super Bowl?   

So he called baseball boring.  Is that a crime?  Or is he just acknowledging the reality?  Baseball on television is interminable, especially those godawful Yankee-Red Sock four hour affairs.  Have you tried to watch those things?  It's impossible.

Watching baseball in person is fine.  Watching on television is a chore.  The Cardinals are my favorite team but I have a hard time watching their games, especially when LaRussa (the greatest manager in the history of that franchise) uses seven pitchers in a nine inning game. 

Joe Buck speaks the truth- baseball right now is incredibly boring.  (I added the incredible part.)  Speed things up!  Put the pitchers on a clock.  Don't let hitters out of the batter's box.  Get a move on. 

Jeremy 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 07, 2011, 02:18:05 PM
That's two shots against Joe Buck.  What's your issue with him?  That he does a delightful job?  That he calls Cardinals games locally a few times a year?  That he's always on television and radio and some years he gets to call both the World Series and the Super Bowl?   

So he called baseball boring.  Is that a crime?  Or is he just acknowledging the reality?  Baseball on television is interminable, especially those godawful Yankee-Red Sock four hour affairs.  Have you tried to watch those things?  It's impossible.

Watching baseball in person is fine.  Watching on television is a chore.  The Cardinals are my favorite team but I have a hard time watching their games, especially when LaRussa (the greatest manager in the history of that franchise) uses seven pitchers in a nine inning game. 

Joe Buck speaks the truth- baseball right now is incredibly boring.  (I added the incredible part.)  Speed things up!  Put the pitchers on a clock.  Don't let hitters out of the batter's box.  Get a move on. 
Jeremy

And get squirrels----we definitely need more squirrels! Especially on "Take Your Dog To The Ballpark" night!  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/05/squirrelly-series.ap/index.html?sct=mlb_t2_a15 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/05/squirrelly-series.ap/index.html?sct=mlb_t2_a15)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 07, 2011, 09:25:52 PM
BREW CREW WINNETH!!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 07, 2011, 09:33:46 PM
But who won the sausage race????? ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on October 07, 2011, 10:37:14 PM
don't know about tonight but Ryan Braun said on the Dan Lebatar show on ESPN2 last week that he would like to run in one of the get-ups someday.

Maybe he did on the day he had off during the last series with the Pirates..

And how about Niger Morgan/Tony Plush?

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 07, 2011, 11:45:07 PM
BREW CREW WINNETH!!

Dave Benke

And the battle of the beers commenseth!  Go CARDS!  ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on October 08, 2011, 01:12:23 AM

My Dbacks almost made it...I am not happy about the season ending, but considering they were in the cellar last year and no one expected them to be even close to winning this year , Gibson should get manager of the year.

That being said, I did remind my Brewers friends that since 1982 we have at least one ring..... ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 08, 2011, 08:12:19 AM
I thought the D'backs played with great heart right to the end.  And the Cards and Brewers have no great love for one another - Bud v. Miller.  Should be quite a bucket of suds.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SCPO on October 08, 2011, 02:25:37 PM
Watching baseball in person is fine.  Watching on television is a chore.  The Cardinals are my favorite team but I have a hard time watching their games, especially when LaRussa (the greatest manager in the history of that franchise) uses seven pitchers in a nine inning game. 
Jeremy

     You must have written this before Chris Carpenter pitched a complete game shutout in Game 5.

     I will agree with you with respect to regular season games; and you can throw Basketball into that mix as well.  Playoff baseball is another animal altogether.  All three Game 5's were great television. (although that Tiger game took a little out of the old ticker)

 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on October 08, 2011, 03:46:54 PM
The game was moving quick, but I fell asleep in the top of the seventh and the next thing I knew it was the post-game show.  I had managed to bathe the three kids, get them into their jammies, read their story, have our devotion, say their prayers by 8:15.  Even helped my wife get ready for bed so everyone in the house was asleep by the time the game started.  Ran to Chick-fil-a for some waffle fries and large diet Dr. Pepper, but still couldn't make it.  Both Carpenter and Halladay weren't wasting any time.  Throw the ball, get it back, throw it again.  I texted my brother that I thought I was watching an old Orioles game from back when they were good.  The mantra of the pitching staff was: Work quickly, throw strikes, change speeds.

So yeah, Tony didn't have to use anyone but Carp.  It was an 'easy' night for the pitching staff.  But I still fell asleep.  Probably says more about me.

Jeremy

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 08, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
Whenever I see a post from Erma I know it will be one of reason and wisdom - and herein she doesn't disappoint:  GO CARDS :)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on October 09, 2011, 10:12:57 PM
BREWERS get first draft (as in beer and victories.)

Tom
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 10, 2011, 07:47:31 AM
The game was moving quick, but I fell asleep in the top of the seventh and the next thing I knew it was the post-game show.  I had managed to bathe the three kids, get them into their jammies, read their story, have our devotion, say their prayers by 8:15.  Even helped my wife get ready for bed so everyone in the house was asleep by the time the game started.  Ran to Chick-fil-a for some waffle fries and large diet Dr. Pepper, but still couldn't make it.  Both Carpenter and Halladay weren't wasting any time.  Throw the ball, get it back, throw it again.  I texted my brother that I thought I was watching an old Orioles game from back when they were good.  The mantra of the pitching staff was: Work quickly, throw strikes, change speeds.

So yeah, Tony didn't have to use anyone but Carp.  It was an 'easy' night for the pitching staff.  But I still fell asleep.  Probably says more about me.

Jeremy

Jeremy

I don't know.  Whether it is a variant of ADD or what, I like a game with a pace, a flow, and strategy rather than frenetic action.

I'd probably watch a chess game on TV too.  I know that says more about me than anything else.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: George Erdner on October 10, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
The game was moving quick, but I fell asleep in the top of the seventh and the next thing I knew it was the post-game show.  I had managed to bathe the three kids, get them into their jammies, read their story, have our devotion, say their prayers by 8:15.  Even helped my wife get ready for bed so everyone in the house was asleep by the time the game started.  Ran to Chick-fil-a for some waffle fries and large diet Dr. Pepper, but still couldn't make it.  Both Carpenter and Halladay weren't wasting any time.  Throw the ball, get it back, throw it again.  I texted my brother that I thought I was watching an old Orioles game from back when they were good.  The mantra of the pitching staff was: Work quickly, throw strikes, change speeds.

So yeah, Tony didn't have to use anyone but Carp.  It was an 'easy' night for the pitching staff.  But I still fell asleep.  Probably says more about me.

Jeremy

Jeremy

I don't know.  Whether it is a variant of ADD or what, I like a game with a pace, a flow, and strategy rather than frenetic action.

I'd probably watch a chess game on TV too.  I know that says more about me than anything else.

Mike

You make a very good point. Some people enjoy watching paint dry, or grass growing. It takes all kinds.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 10, 2011, 02:13:26 PM
You make a very good point. Some people enjoy watching paint dry, or grass growing. It takes all kinds.

Nah, I don't have the patience to watch grass grow, but I have sat with a few cold ones and some friends to watch paint dry.  Sometimes, it is necessary to determine whether another coat is needed.  Of course, there was also plenty of good conversation to pass the time.   :)

I think that's why baseball is called a pastime and few other sports are.  You can leave it and come back and still enjoy the game.  Especially these days.  The rhythm of a starter setting them down at the beginning or a closer shutting down a game are quite different.  Even a starter closing out a complete game.

On the other hand, I've never had the patience for fishing.  How incredibly boring!  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 10, 2011, 08:48:29 PM
Nelson Cruz walk-off Grand Salami   in the bottom of the 11th! Oozes with destiny, doesn't it Mike? ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on October 10, 2011, 09:43:21 PM
If my Tiggers are going to lose, at least it was with a killer shot. Nice game, Rangers
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 10, 2011, 11:55:15 PM
    Good to see the Cardinals come roaring back in Game Two.  On to St. Louis!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 11, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
Nelson Cruz walk-off Grand Salami   in the bottom of the 11th! Oozes with destiny, doesn't it Mike? ;D

It certainly does.

Even the Ryan Raburn 3-run homer in the 3rd -- while stressful at the time -- seemed fortuitous since it erased the stain of the controversy over whether Cabrera should have scored on the wild pitch.

But as for the game itself for those who remember the Frosty the Snowman cartoon - Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.  But I'll take it!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 12, 2011, 08:53:32 AM
The air of destiny seems to have dissipated as the Rangers fell to the Tigers last night, 5-2.

This was their best chance too.  The Rangers don't play well historically in day games at Comerica Park.

Still hoping the Rangers will be able to take one while in Detroit.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on October 12, 2011, 07:02:38 PM
Three for the Tigers in Detroit puts a lot of pressure on the Rangers...tough to win 2 after losing 3.  Bless you, Boys!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 12, 2011, 10:41:47 PM
Whoa Nellie (Nellie Cruz, that is)! Another big homer in the 11th for Cruz, and the Rangers are on the cusp of another World Series. Tough day for the Tigers; the weather looked like what passes for winter weather here, and the game was pushed into the evening hours. All four games so far have been hard-fought and well worth watching.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 13, 2011, 06:54:38 AM
Three for the Tigers in Detroit puts a lot of pressure on the Rangers...tough to win 2 after losing 3.  Bless you, Boys!

Three for the Rangers puts a lot of pressure on the Tigers...tough to win 3 after losing 3 albeit not in a row.   ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 13, 2011, 07:53:06 AM
BTW, in the "Suds Series",  St. Louis won 4-3 to take a two games to one advantage.

I'd love a Rangers - Cardinals World Series.  My two favorite teams playing would be a real treat.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Revbert on October 13, 2011, 08:03:54 AM
Three for the Tigers in Detroit puts a lot of pressure on the Rangers...tough to win 2 after losing 3.  Bless you, Boys!

Three for the Rangers puts a lot of pressure on the Tigers...tough to win 3 after losing 3 albeit not in a row.   ;)

Mike

yeah yeah... I hear you.  Great games, though!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 13, 2011, 08:59:54 AM
Three for the Tigers in Detroit puts a lot of pressure on the Rangers...tough to win 2 after losing 3.  Bless you, Boys!

Three for the Rangers puts a lot of pressure on the Tigers...tough to win 3 after losing 3 albeit not in a row.   ;)

Mike

yeah yeah... I hear you.  Great games, though!

Yeah, I think they are great too.  They have been long though, and the rain delays don't help.

Hear that we are looking at the possibility of rain in Detroit again today too.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 14, 2011, 11:30:44 PM
The Cardinals are still making it happen.  Now if they can only keep it going through game 6.

Bring on the Rally Squirrel!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 15, 2011, 11:14:46 PM
Rangers up 15-4 in the bottom of the 7th...looks like back-to-back World Series for the Rangers. Woo-hoo! ;D I'd like to see them face the Brewers, just because the Brewers have been to the World Series about as infrequently as the Rangers. Besides, I like the sausage races. The St Louis squirrel is cute, but (as a LAstros fan) I'm pretty tired of seeing them in the series, and I still hate seeing our New Braunfels homeboy Lance Berkman in that red uniform!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 16, 2011, 02:08:07 AM
Rangers up 15-4 in the bottom of the 7th...looks like back-to-back World Series for the Rangers. Woo-hoo! ;D I'd like to see them face the Brewers, just because the Brewers have been to the World Series about as infrequently as the Rangers. Besides, I like the sausage races. The St Louis squirrel is cute, but (as a LAstros fan) I'm pretty tired of seeing them in the series, and I still hate seeing our New Braunfels homeboy Lance Berkman in that red uniform!

I was working tonight and didn't get to see much of the game.  But while in the break room I did get to see that great catch against the outfield wall made by a Rangers player (don't remember which one, but it looked like he could have dented his skull against that wall!).  He held onto the ball even through doing a back somersalt!  Very impressive.  Whatever happens with the actual World Series (it gets played in November, right? ;)) the playoff games have been great.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 17, 2011, 08:43:43 AM
Rangers up 15-4 in the bottom of the 7th...looks like back-to-back World Series for the Rangers. Woo-hoo! ;D I'd like to see them face the Brewers, just because the Brewers have been to the World Series about as infrequently as the Rangers. Besides, I like the sausage races. The St Louis squirrel is cute, but (as a LAstros fan) I'm pretty tired of seeing them in the series, and I still hate seeing our New Braunfels homeboy Lance Berkman in that red uniform!

I was working tonight and didn't get to see much of the game.  But while in the break room I did get to see that great catch against the outfield wall made by a Rangers player (don't remember which one, but it looked like he could have dented his skull against that wall!).  He held onto the ball even through doing a back somersalt!  Very impressive.  Whatever happens with the actual World Series (it gets played in November, right? ;)) the playoff games have been great.

The World Series even if it should go all seven games (and I'm thinking that it very well might) will actually end in October for once this year.  ;)

And its teams will be the Rangers and the Cardinals.  I'm very excited about the Series!

BTW, that was Josh Hamilton -- the sot-of subject of this thread -- who bounced off that wall. Again, a bad night for atheists as he came off that with no injury and making the catch!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 19, 2011, 11:01:35 AM
John Hamilton and David Murphy -- who are both prominent in "I Am Second" testimony on one side -- and Cardinals from St Louis (how much more evocative of the Church can that be?) on the other.

Looks like a bad World Series for atheists!  :)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 20, 2011, 08:22:37 AM
Well, the Redbirds took game 1 due primarily to great pitching from Chris Carpenter.

Colby Lewis pitches for the Rangers tonight.The Rangers have not set their starters in Texas yet. However, unless the Rangers can steal Game 2 tonight, it may be a short Cards-dominated Series.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 21, 2011, 08:21:18 AM
Colby Lewis pitches for the Rangers tonight.The Rangers have not set their starters in Texas yet. However, unless the Rangers can steal Game 2 tonight, it may be a short Cards-dominated Series.

Rangers steal one in St. Louie.  We have a Series, folks!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 21, 2011, 01:51:15 PM
Amazing to see the power-hitting Rangers play National League "small ball" in the 9th. Now it's a best-of-five series with next three in Texas. In Texas weather, of course. 8)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 21, 2011, 02:52:17 PM
Amazing to see the power-hitting Rangers play National League "small ball" in the 9th.

Actually, you may know this, but Wash has been teaching them to play "small ball" all along.  It is why Elvis always has a green light to steal.  It is why you will actually see someone like Moreland or Murphy bunt at times to move someone along even in an AL game.  And in the games coming up, small ball may actually make the difference even in a slugfest.   The Cards are actually hitting better right now, but they rarely run while the Rangers always run even sometimes when they shouldn't.

It's only because Cruz, Napoli, and Hamilton have had boomsticks this year that this goes unnoticed.  Hamilton and Vlad were a power threat last year, but you saw a bit more manufacturing of runs by moving runners along last year.

I credit it with a lot of the difference between why the Rangers have gone so far lately versus getting shut down early in the post-season in the late 90's.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 24, 2011, 08:19:27 AM
Blow-out Saturday night and shut-out last night.

It's getting close.  Best 2 out of 3 now, and if the Rangers don't take Game 5 tonight at home, well, let's just say that the prospects of the Rangers winning two straight on the road in St. Louis don't look good.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 25, 2011, 09:25:45 AM
Nap-o-li! Nap-o-li! Nap-o-li!

Whoops. Got carried away there for a second.

One game to go for the Rangers to win their first World Series championship.  Even if they should lose, they've made it an exciting contest.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 25, 2011, 09:33:39 AM
I'd like a poster of Beltre's down-on-one-knee follow-through on his home run last night. Or else one of LaRussa's "Home Alone" expression when Beltre hit it. ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 25, 2011, 09:49:26 AM
I'd like a poster of Beltre's down-on-one-knee follow-through on his home run last night. Or else one of LaRussa's "Home Alone" expression when Beltre hit it. ;D

I loved it when Buck and Mccarver talked about how Wash said Holland would need to get down on his knees and beg Sunday to stay in the game and now Beltre was the one getting on his knees.  :D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Scott6 on October 25, 2011, 10:19:05 AM
I'd like a poster of Beltre's down-on-one-knee follow-through on his home run last night. Or else one of LaRussa's "Home Alone" expression when Beltre hit it. ;D

I loved it when Buck and Mccarver talked about how Wash said Holland would need to get down on his knees and beg Sunday to stay in the game and now Beltre was the one getting on his knees.  :D

Mike

This  (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/24/world.series.cardinals.bullpen.ap/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a6)is interesting.  Apparently, there was a mixup as to who should have been on the mound betwee LaRussa and the bullpen.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 25, 2011, 11:17:01 AM
I'd like a poster of Beltre's down-on-one-knee follow-through on his home run last night. Or else one of LaRussa's "Home Alone" expression when Beltre hit it. ;D

I loved it when Buck and Mccarver talked about how Wash said Holland would need to get down on his knees and beg Sunday to stay in the game and now Beltre was the one getting on his knees.  :D

Mike

This  (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/24/world.series.cardinals.bullpen.ap/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a6)is interesting.  Apparently, there was a mixup as to who should have been on the mound betwee LaRussa and the bullpen.

Yeah, that's LaRussa's story, and he's sticking to it.

Nevertheless, even if you don't know who is warming up, unless his eyes are bothering him too, a good manager ought to know who he is sending in before he pulls a pitcher.  I can get how miscommunication can lead to having the wrong pitcher warmed up;  I don't get how the wrong pitcher gets into the game itself without the manager not paying attention to things.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Scott6 on October 25, 2011, 11:17:58 AM
I'd like a poster of Beltre's down-on-one-knee follow-through on his home run last night. Or else one of LaRussa's "Home Alone" expression when Beltre hit it. ;D

I loved it when Buck and Mccarver talked about how Wash said Holland would need to get down on his knees and beg Sunday to stay in the game and now Beltre was the one getting on his knees.  :D

Mike

This  (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/24/world.series.cardinals.bullpen.ap/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a6)is interesting.  Apparently, there was a mixup as to who should have been on the mound betwee LaRussa and the bullpen.

Yeah, that's LaRussa's story, and he's sticking to it.

Nevertheless, even if you don't know who is warming up, unless his eyes are bothering him too, a good manager ought to know who he is sending in before he pulls a pitcher.  I can get how miscommunication can lead to having the wrong pitcher warmed up;  I don't get how the wrong pitcher gets into the game itself without the manager not paying attention to things.

Mike

'Cause you need someone and one guy's warmed up and the other isn't?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 25, 2011, 11:27:52 AM
I'd like a poster of Beltre's down-on-one-knee follow-through on his home run last night. Or else one of LaRussa's "Home Alone" expression when Beltre hit it. ;D

I loved it when Buck and Mccarver talked about how Wash said Holland would need to get down on his knees and beg Sunday to stay in the game and now Beltre was the one getting on his knees.  :D

Mike

This  (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/24/world.series.cardinals.bullpen.ap/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a6)is interesting.  Apparently, there was a mixup as to who should have been on the mound betwee LaRussa and the bullpen.

Yeah, that's LaRussa's story, and he's sticking to it.

Nevertheless, even if you don't know who is warming up, unless his eyes are bothering him too, a good manager ought to know who he is sending in before he pulls a pitcher.  I can get how miscommunication can lead to having the wrong pitcher warmed up;  I don't get how the wrong pitcher gets into the game itself without the manager not paying attention to things.

Mike

'Cause you need someone and one guy's warmed up and the other isn't?

I'd buy that for one guy and a less intense manager than LaRussa.

That no one got Motte warmed up after the supposed first mess-up with Scrabble and they ended up also sending in Lance Lynn by mistake who was not even supposed to pitch seems strange.

Then again, maybe Wash never meant to send in Uehara all of those times in the ALDS and ALCS and had to actually take him off the World Series roster so his bullpen coaches would not accidentally send him in.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 28, 2011, 12:55:43 AM
Ya gotta believe!!!! What a game.  On to Game Seven -- Go CARDS!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 28, 2011, 08:18:06 AM
This is a World Series for the ages, and for all fans of the game of inches in its changes and chances, where the guy who drops a pop-up my grandmother could have caught ends up hitting the game-winner and forcing a decisive seventh.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 28, 2011, 09:24:58 AM
Ya gotta believe!!!! What a game.  On to Game Seven -- Go CARDS!!!
Rangers certainly had that game won and choked. As a long-time Astros fan, I know this feeling..... :P
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Weedon on October 28, 2011, 09:31:59 AM
Baseball can be a totally boring game over all.  Its genius shown last night:  it becomes electrifying when everything hangs on a single strike or out, and the underdog pulls it out and survives...or wins!  Go Cards, indeed.  Wow. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 28, 2011, 09:54:57 AM
   The Cards did what they had to do to stay alive.  Tying it up at the end of the 9th inning, then coming back when the Rangers went ahead in the 10th, and then just nailing it in the 11th inning.  And how sweet that a hometown St. Louis kid gets to hit the homerun that nails it, sends the team into a 7th game and, oh by the way, gives the Rangers two consecutive losses against the same team.  Best sixth game in a World Series I've seen in a long time.  It doesn't get better than this. 

    (And if the Texas Rangers manage to come back and win the Series, I won't begrudge it to them.  They will have had to earn it, rather than waltz in and claim it as if owed to them.  Which is what the World Series really does, when the teams are well matched.  And to some Ranger fans surprise, these two teams are.)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 28, 2011, 10:08:17 AM
   The Cards did what they had to do to stay alive.  Tying it up at the end of the 9th inning, then coming back when the Rangers went ahead in the 10th, and then just nailing it in the 11th inning.  And how sweet that a hometown St. Louis kid gets to hit the homerun that nails it, sends the team into a 7th game and, oh by the way, gives the Rangers two consecutive losses against the same team.  Best sixth game in a World Series I've seen in a long time.  It doesn't get better than this. 

    (And if the Texas Rangers manage to come back and win the Series, I won't begrudge it to them.  They will have had to earn it, rather than waltz in and claim it as if owed to them.  Which is what the World Series really does, when the teams are well matched.  And to some Ranger fans surprise, these two teams are.)

You'r getting the Rangers confused with the Yankees (synonymous with "entitlement"). Since no team from Texas has ever won a World Series and St Louis has won ten, we see the sense of entitlement as all being on the side of the Cardinals. I'm glad he's doing well, but it sure is tough for an old Astros fan to see Texas homeboy Lance Berkman providing most of the offense for a team playing Texas. If the Cardinals win, he'd be my first choice for Series MVP. He certainly is having a better World Series than he did in 2005.

BTW, what's a Memphis girl doing rooting for St Louis? As I remember from spending a few summers in Memphis with my folks, I heard lots of disparaging comments about the city of St Louis from the locals.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 28, 2011, 10:59:52 AM

You'r getting the Rangers confused with the Yankees (synonymous with "entitlement"). Since no team from Texas has ever won a World Series and St Louis has won ten, we see the sense of entitlement as all being on the side of the Cardinals. I'm glad he's doing well, but it sure is tough for an old Astros fan to see Texas homeboy Lance Berkman providing most of the offense for a team playing Texas. If the Cardinals win, he'd be my first choice for Series MVP. He certainly is having a better World Series than he did in 2005.

BTW, what's a Memphis girl doing rooting for St Louis? As I remember from spending a few summers in Memphis with my folks, I heard lots of disparaging comments about the city of St Louis from the locals.

No disparagement meant against the Rangers (and I've got close family down in Texas, so I have to watch what I say!).  Ordinarily I root for the team that has never won a World Series.  I just know that the Cards were not considered the most likely team to get into the playoffs, much less go to seven games in the Series.  I think it is better for baseball altogether when the series is as good and evenly played (for the most part) as this one has been.  If the Rangers win tonight, they will have earned it.  This will show the stuff they're made of, this last game.  And there's no knowing how this last game will go:  could be great, or could be boring as heck.  We'll just have to wait and see!

As for how Memphians feel about St. Louis and the Cardinals:  Kurt, there's a world of difference between the two.  Memphians can't like St. Louis; there's an old rivalry between these two river towns (even though recent developments have not been kind to the city of the Gateway Arch, nor to Memphis) that goes way back.  But Memphis was the home of the Cardinals minor league farm club team for years (and might be now, though i've lost track of that sort of thing).  I remember my grandpa (who grew up in the St. Louis area) listening to the Cardinals on the radio with Dizzy Dean doing the play-by-play.  The Cards are my family's team, and I will cheer them on in the house of Busch.  Good luck to your Rangers, though; and may game seven be one for the record books! 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 28, 2011, 11:20:56 AM
    And we can all be glad the Phillies didn't make it into the Series, cause Game Seven (if it went that far in my hypotheticals) would be played in a SNOWSTORM! 
     (Get out those shovels, folks.  It doesn't sound pretty this weekend!)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 28, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
No disparagement meant against the Rangers (and I've got close family down in Texas, so I have to watch what I say!).  Ordinarily I root for the team that has never won a World Series.  I just know that the Cards were not considered the most likely team to get into the playoffs, much less go to seven games in the Series.  I think it is better for baseball altogether when the series is as good and evenly played (for the most part) as this one has been.  If the Rangers win tonight, they will have earned it.  This will show the stuff they're made of, this last game.  And there's no knowing how this last game will go:  could be great, or could be boring as heck.  We'll just have to wait and see!

As for how Memphians feel about St. Louis and the Cardinals:  Kurt, there's a world of difference between the two.  Memphians can't like St. Louis; there's an old rivalry between these two river towns (even though recent developments have not been kind to the city of the Gateway Arch, nor to Memphis) that goes way back.  But Memphis was the home of the Cardinals minor league farm club team for years (and might be now, though i've lost track of that sort of thing).  I remember my grandpa (who grew up in the St. Louis area) listening to the Cardinals on the radio with Dizzy Dean doing the play-by-play.  The Cards are my family's team, and I will cheer them on in the house of Busch.  Good luck to your Rangers, though; and may game seven be one for the record books!
You triggered a (good) flashback of summers in Memphis....Lutheran Night with the "Memphis Chicks". I didn't remember to whom they belonged, but St Louis makes sense. Denny McClain was the manager, but we won't go there! I remember it was a nice stadium, but the crowd didn't know what a "Lutheran" was....

P.S. What the heck is "snow shovel" (he writes from San Antonio)? ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jrubyaz on October 28, 2011, 12:02:22 PM

I think any Series that goes to seven is usually a good one... most are blowouts, and seven is pretty rare, we had one in 2001 where my beloved Dbacks beat the Yanks in seven (probably rated one of the top five series ever), and the last one was in 2002 when the Angels beat the Giants.

I have no skin in this series, I love what St. Louis did last night, but feel for the Rangers coming two strikes close to winning it. A game of inches indeed...

Jeff Ruby   

This is a World Series for the ages, and for all fans of the game of inches in its changes and chances, where the guy who drops a pop-up my grandmother could have caught ends up hitting the game-winner and forcing a decisive seventh.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SCPO on October 28, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
    It's 1:30 PM in Texas, has anyone heard from Mr. Gehlhausen? 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mel Harris on October 28, 2011, 02:38:07 PM

What the heck is "snow shovel" (he writes from San Antonio)? ;)


It is a common tool, used by people who do not live with fire ants.

Now back to baseball.

Mel Harris
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: George Erdner on October 28, 2011, 03:04:22 PM

What the heck is "snow shovel" (he writes from San Antonio)? ;)


It is a common tool, used by people who do not live with fire ants.

Now back to baseball.

Mel Harris

Atlanta used to have a snow shovel. We loaned it to Alabama, but they never gave it back.
 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on October 28, 2011, 03:13:31 PM
When I came to Peoria, I tried out being a Cardinal fan.  But I just couldn't quite do it.

Like many, many Angels fans, I am rooting for the Rangers, largely because they represent something we have lived with thoughout the Angels' history as an American League franchise -- lost opportunities.  The Rangers' President and owner is Nolan Ryan -- and we still haven't gotten over that Buzzie Bavasi let him go after the 1979 season because Ryan was just a flashy .500 pitcher.  And their catcher is Mike Napoli, who we traded away last winter in order to keep a catcher no only who can't hit his own weight, he barely hits mine!

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on October 28, 2011, 03:30:39 PM
Oh, and one of the Rangers' starting pitchers is Matt Harrison.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on October 28, 2011, 05:11:28 PM
    And we can all be glad the Phillies didn't make it into the Series, cause Game Seven (if it went that far in my hypotheticals) would be played in a SNOWSTORM! 
     (Get out those shovels, folks.  It doesn't sound pretty this weekend!)

Hey, watch it--I'm not glad at all!  ;) I wish "we" were potentially playing in a snowstorm.  I'm still smarting that ex-Indian/ex-Phillie/ex-Ranger/not-a-Yankee/current-Phillie starting pitcher Cliff Lee couldn't hold a 3 run lead against the Cards in the division round, to my mind the pivotal event of that series.  (Certainly Ryan Howard doesn't tear his Achilles tendon in what turned out to be the last at bat of that series if the Lee wins his start.)  Mea culpa, watching this series and hoping to see the Cardinals (and particularly LaRussa, who apparently invented the game) lose has been the therapy I cling to, bitterly.  It pains me to be rooting for a Dallas team on the eve of an Eagles/Cowbows (Sunday Night Football) game.  Go Rangers!  All hands on deck, everyone's available in the bullpen!  (And why do I expect LaRussa to use every last one of those guys tonight.)

Sterling Spatz
(Been too busy, emptying the grocery store shelves of bread, eggs, and milk, to reply to this earlier.)   ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 28, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
Hey, watch it--I'm not glad at all!  ;) I wish "we" were potentially playing in a snowstorm.  I'm still smarting that ex-Indian/ex-Phillie/ex-Ranger/not-a-Yankee/current-Phillie starting pitcher Cliff Lee couldn't hold a 3 run lead against the Cards in the division round, to my mind the pivotal event of that series.  (Certainly Ryan Howard doesn't tear his Achilles tendon in what turned out to be the last at bat of that series if the Lee wins his start.)  Mea culpa, watching this series and hoping to see the Cardinals (and particularly LaRussa, who apparently invented the game) lose has been the therapy I cling to, bitterly.  It pains me to be rooting for a Dallas team on the eve of an Eagles/Cowbows (Sunday Night Football) game.  Go Rangers!  All hands on deck, everyone's available in the bullpen!  (And why do I expect LaRussa to use every last one of those guys tonight.)

Sterling Spatz
(Been too busy, emptying the grocery store shelves of bread, eggs, and milk, to reply to this earlier.)   ;D
Now don't go ruinin' a perfectly good baseball rant by mentioning the Plowboys! :P
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SmithL on October 28, 2011, 07:21:23 PM
All hands on deck, everyone's available in the bullpen!  (And why do I expect LaRussa to use every last one of those guys tonight.)

Everyone gets to sleep late tomorrow.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Scott6 on October 28, 2011, 11:29:21 PM
Let's see.  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 -- aww, shucks.  Ran out of fingers.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on October 28, 2011, 11:36:34 PM
You're not helping ease my pain, for the third year in a row, of my team having lost to the eventual world champions.

Perhaps you saw the sign in the crowd that you're gonna need more fingers...

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles!

(At least my boss's boss will be happy next week.  It's coming up on review time--maybe we'll all get big raises!)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on October 29, 2011, 01:57:43 AM
   They did it, they did it, they did it!!!  What a great Series!  Congratualtions, Cardinals!

    And for the valiant Rangers, and their fans, the eternal cry in Baseball:  "Wait'll next year!"
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 29, 2011, 07:45:43 AM
   They did it, they did it, they did it!!!  What a great Series!  Congratualtions, Cardinals!

    And for the valiant Rangers, and their fans, the eternal cry in Baseball:  "Wait'll next year!"

"Wait until next year" is a dreary thought for an Astros fan....so far next year looks more bleak than this year. :-X
Great series, cryin' shame the Rangers had the series won in game 6 and fumbled it away. Cards took advantage of the opportunity; that's what champs do.
Oh well, back to the national sport of Texas....football!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Evangel on October 29, 2011, 08:03:15 AM
One fortunate thing for the Rangers and their fans and players ... it doesn't appear that there is a clear game 6 goat (http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20111028-you-tell-us-who-was-the-biggest-goat-in-the-rangers-game-6-collapse.ece) ŕ la Billy Buckner.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 29, 2011, 09:08:11 AM
There was plenty of "stoogery" to go around in game six, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on October 29, 2011, 11:47:28 AM
Only 5 months until spring training.  Next year the Orioles will continue their futile attempt to play baseball while owned by a man with lots of money and no understanding of the the game.  But at this moment I believe they will contend next year (I always believe that in the winter) Go Birds
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 31, 2011, 07:45:26 AM
   They did it, they did it, they did it!!!  What a great Series!  Congratualtions, Cardinals!

    And for the valiant Rangers, and their fans, the eternal cry in Baseball:  "Wait'll next year!"

"Wait until next year" is a dreary thought for an Astros fan....so far next year looks more bleak than this year. :-X
Great series, cryin' shame the Rangers had the series won in game 6 and fumbled it away. Cards took advantage of the opportunity; that's what champs do.
Oh well, back to the national sport of Texas....football!

Congratulations to the Cardinals...I grew up in southwest Indiana so if there is any team the Rangers had to lose to, I am glad it was my childhood team.

Enjoyed rooting for the Rangers this last half of the season with you, Mr. Weinelt.  Hope that if the Astros do get sold and move to the AL West, we can can have a friendly rivalry.

The long  dark winter awaits and while I am only the most casual of football fans, it does not look as if the Cowgirls or TCU will relieve that much.  :(

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 31, 2011, 09:22:27 AM
I'd love to see the Astros and Rangers in the same league too, but ONLY if the AL drops that Designated Hitter apostasy. :P Having a divisonal rivalry in Texas would be good for the game, though my dream really is for an all-Texas World Series some day. Followed by an all-Texas Super Bowl.

When the Astros went down the last two years, South Texas (Astros country) supported the Rangers. Maybe football fans in the Metroplex need to look farther south down IH-45 to find a football team to support this season in the same spirit.

Just sayin'...
Kurt
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 31, 2011, 09:32:04 AM
When the Astros went down the last two years, South Texas (Astros country) supported the Rangers. Maybe football fans in the Metroplex need to look farther south down IH-45 to find a football team to support this season in the same spirit.

Just sayin'...
Kurt

Hey, I'll gladly support the Texans.  Thanks for drawing attention to them. They look like real contenders this year.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on November 18, 2011, 09:27:25 AM
Well, Mr. Weinelt, it looks like the Rangers and Astros will become division rivals starting in 2013. 

I'm excited about that and think it should be fun.

But then it is not my team that is being messed with.  How do you feel?  I'd imagine the DH thing alone might unnerve you.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on November 18, 2011, 11:26:10 AM
What I'm doing is looking for a National League team to move to Texas. >:( I admit that I am a baseball fundamentalist.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 01, 2012, 07:13:17 AM
So each league is adding a second wild-card team for a one-game playoff.

Guess that gives the Mets a chance to make the post-season now.

For one and done!  ;D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 01, 2012, 07:51:28 AM
The Mets make the post-season.  There, sir, you have the Miracle of 2012.  That is just plain Linsanity. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on March 01, 2012, 10:48:09 AM
This is my favorite time of year.  Spring training makes all things possible in our eyes.  The grass is green, the sky is blue, baseballs are sounding against bats made of wood and the Orioles have not yet lost a single game.  I'm afraid that this new rule will have as little effect on the O's post season as will the return to the cartoon bird.  The bird only worked because we had Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar and other people who could actually pitch on the mound.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 01, 2012, 10:51:56 AM
This is my favorite time of year.  Spring training makes all things possible in our eyes.  The grass is green, the sky is blue, baseballs are sounding against bats made of wood and the Orioles have not yet lost a single game.  I'm afraid that this new rule will have as little effect on the O's post season as will the return to the cartoon bird.  The bird only worked because we had Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar and other people who could actually pitch on the mound.

Yep, the magic number for all teams right now is 163!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on March 01, 2012, 10:58:49 AM
Sorry Mike, the Astros are already out of contention this year. At least they're fielding a decent AAA team. Milo Hamilton (a national treasure) has announced his retirement at the end of the 2012 season :-X and (even worse) next year the Astros are forced into exile in the American League. No joy in Mudville, Texas this year! :P
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 01, 2012, 11:01:53 AM
Sorry Mike, the Astros are already out of contention this year. At least they're fielding a decent AAA team. Milo Hamilton (a national treasure) has announced his retirement at the end of the 2012 season :-X and (even worse) next year the Astros are forced into exile in the American League. No joy in Mudville, Texas this year! :P

Come over to the dark side!  Can't you just feel the power of the DH coursing through your veins?  BWAHAHAHAHA.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on March 01, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
I guess it does provide jobs for over-the-hill power hitters that have my body type.....
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 05, 2012, 04:41:24 PM
Vicar Staneck, on a mid-Lent break with family, is in Port Lucie, FL. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on March 05, 2012, 05:00:00 PM
Unfortunatelly, the Vicar will not see any major league
players at the New York Mets spring training site.
He would be blessed by going to Tampa and watch
the Bronx Bombers under the tutelage of Joe Girardi.
Matt would see future Hall of Famers like Derek Jeter
and Mariano Rivera.  He would see one of the best
second basemen  in Robinson Cano and an elite
pitcher like C.C. Sabathia. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 05, 2012, 05:53:36 PM
Vicar Staneck is still in Lower Manhattan.  Soon to go check out a record store in the East Village in fact.  Morning chapel at St. John's the Evangelist in Brooklyn followed by a mid-to-late morning supervisory meeting.  From there I will get a few more things in order before heading out of the city for about a week.

I'll be throwing down in West Palm Beach with a brother of mine.  And yes, to the thread topic, it looks like I will be at Port St. Lucie on Sunday.  Why? The Giants are Super Bowl Champs, the Rangers are currently tops in the NHL, and Valpo is 1 win away from the big dance.  But I will make the short trek from West Palm to PSL because I'm sick...Like a scorned lover I keep going back.  Amidst the glory I am getting via other teams in other sports I am always grounded by the reality that is the theology of the cross with the team from Flushing.

Queens, Brooklyn, and Lower Manhattan theologians are theologians of the cross.  I hear it's the Bronx guys who are theologians of glory. 

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 05, 2012, 09:35:41 PM
Yes they are up there in the rarified air of the mainland.  Four NYC boroughs/counties are on islands.  One is on the mainland - that would be The Bronx.  They know it.  They rub it in.  They charge tolls to get to and from them.  Manhattan you can get to and from without paying a toll, if you know what you're doing.  Actually, I guess if you took the Queensboro Bridge and went uptown, you could get into the Bronx without paying a toll.  Except it would take about half your life to do it on a regular basis.  Just to see the Yankees.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on March 05, 2012, 11:43:34 PM
One of the news feature stories in Los Angeles this last week is -- the resurgence of record stores.  Courtesy KCRW's "Which Way, LA?" program (http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2012/02/finding-treasure-las-vinyl-resurgence/).

Pax, Steven+
Born in Hollywood,
Playing in Peoria
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 06, 2012, 08:15:55 AM
Rockit Scientist Records on St. Mark's.  Not too expansive but you're able to nab a few gems at a very reasonable price.

I like Bleecker Street Records, it has a huge selection but not as many gems for cheap.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on March 06, 2012, 10:24:28 AM
Hey!  Stick to the baseball!  How'd the Mets do against the Nationals?  What's your impression of Bryce Harper? 

Jeremy 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on March 06, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
The thought just struck me if you combined the Mets and Astros for this upcoming season, there might be enough talent (barely) to field ONE major league team. :P  Maybe the "Mastros" or "Assets?"  Of course, they'd have to be based in Texas for tax purposes. ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on March 06, 2012, 12:03:01 PM
Mets have no assets considering the tens of millions that Fred Wilpon owes the Madoff recompensation fund.  Looks like the Astros will need to find a new merger partner this year.  What about UT, LSU?  They usually have good baseball teams?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on March 06, 2012, 12:19:28 PM
It would never work. Unlike the Astros, UT is a professional organization. And LSU has already adopted the Aggies, to boot.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 06, 2012, 02:25:06 PM
In all (somewhat) seriousness...

The Mets thing is utterly depressing for fans.  We are in NYC, in the shadow of the NYY and are reminded daily of it, even when they Yankees aren't being talked about (see a few posts up from Dave Likeness).  What has gone on with the Wilpon's is a problem not just for the Mets but for baseball as well.  The good ol' boys club of ownership, which stems from the "leadership" of Bud Selig, contributes to this.  Bud and Fred Wilpon are old time "buds."  The leash on the Wilpon's is incredibly long (compared to that fellow from LA who had no leash). 

Why the Wilpon's are allowed to continue is beyond me.  They currently owe "up to" 83 Million BEFORE the actual lawsuit takes place...the actual trial phase that is.  Additionally there were reports yesterday (can't find them on short notice) that Ruth Madoff had invested some of the monopoly money into SNY TV (the Mets privately owned television station).  So all of the profits from that money may be in play as well...because, after all, it wasn't real. 

When asked about his owning the team last week Fred exclaimed they plan on owning the team for a very long time, "I don't know how the fans feel about that."  I do.  We're not happy, Fred.  And this has nothing to do with you being a criminal or not, I don't believe you are.  But at some point the interest of the public good needs to take precedence over your childhood obsession of recreating the Mets into the Brooklyn Dodgers.  Enough is enough.  And he ought to be invested in how the fans feel about his owning the team bc a very public trial is about to take place in New York City where the pool of potential jurors will be...you guessed it...New Yorkers, and a good shot they're Mets fans too.

Contrary to the smoke blown in the Bronx, there is a significant number of Mets fans in this city, numbers that certainly rival the Yankee numbers, and there is a solid chance Mets fans who are beaten, broken, and bitter will end up on that jury.

"I don't know how the fans feel about that."  Welp, you better.

And with that, I'll be there on Sunday afternoon to watch Jose Reyes and the "Miami" Marlins take on my Mets.

Ugh.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on March 06, 2012, 02:47:00 PM
Matt, Yankee Stadium is the cosmopolitan Cathedral of
Major League Baseball.  "The  House that Ruth Built" was
the marquee stadium for Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe
DiMaggio, and Mickey Mantle.  This baseball mecca was
recently replaced by "The House that Jeter Built".   The
truth is that the Yankees have hoisted 27 World Series
banners.  The Bronx Bombers have brought joy to
millions of fans throughout their legendary history.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on March 06, 2012, 02:50:52 PM
Dave, let Matt express his feelings about the Mets.  It's a very messy situation on a lot of levels.  Wilpon is in a lot of trouble.  And it's just good to know that there is one less team for the #1 team in the NL East to worry about.  Go Nats!

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 06, 2012, 03:43:02 PM
I'll continue to stand by my comment that Yankee fans are glory theologians.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 06, 2012, 03:55:28 PM
I'll continue to stand by my comment that Yankee fans are glory theologians.

M. Staneck

Does that make Cub and Met fans masochistic ascetics?   ;)

Just because we have crosses to bear doesn't mean we need to seek them out.  God will provide enough of them Himself in His wisdom.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on March 06, 2012, 04:06:41 PM
Mike......In the Midwest,  the Chicago Cubs fans
are known as "Lovable Losers."

In New York,  the Mets Fans are known as  "The
Lost Generation."

I repeat what the great Joe DiMaggio said,
"I  Thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee (Fan)".
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 06, 2012, 04:24:44 PM
I really shouldn't talk.  The Mets and Cubs have each won World Series. The Texas Rangers have not.

Of course, neither have the Astros.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: mariemeyer on March 06, 2012, 08:13:44 PM
Temporary change in the topic of this thread, but rather than start a new one I'll interject a basketball comment.

WATCH VALPO ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!
Tonight's game will be broadcast live from the Valpo campus on ESPN with a scheduled tipoff time of 8 p.m. Central.

GO VALPO!!
 
Marie Meyer
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on March 06, 2012, 08:37:18 PM
Temporary change in the topic of this thread, but rather than start a new one I'll interject a basketball comment.

WATCH VALPO ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!
Tonight's game will be broadcast live from the Valpo campus on ESPN with a scheduled tipoff time of 8 p.m. Central.

GO VALPO!!
 
Marie Meyer

YES! LETS GO VALPO!!!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 07, 2012, 08:48:24 AM
Sorry, Valpo.  2nd half letdown. 

On the other hand, Santana looked good in his first outing for the Mets.  And the Pagan replacement looks very good.  Hope springs eternal.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on March 07, 2012, 09:19:35 AM
Tough break for Valpo when Kevin Van Wijk went
down with an injury late in the lst half.  He had
12 points and 5 rebounds and Valpo then lost
the lead and never recovered.

My only claim to fame is that I had FIVE cousins who
graduated from Valpo.  One of them went to Valpo
on a mens basketball scholarship.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 09, 2012, 07:53:42 AM
Vicar Staneck is at Mets spring training this week.  This morning there is a really great editorial in the NY Times by David Brooks, who's the conservative side columnist for the Times.  The column is dedicated to being a Mets fan.  And he goes through his own decision to try to switch to the Nationals a few years ago, when his family moved to DC, and how that was a total failure.  The phenomenology of the feeling when the Mets are at bat vs. other teams was explained, and how it doesn't matter even when the team stinks, you're still a Mets fan.  The final lines capture it - "I have no choice but to love the Mets.  Just as I have no choice but to hate the Phillies."   Amen.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 09, 2012, 08:07:09 AM
Here is a link to the article which Pr. Benke mentioned.

Hey, Mets! I Just Can’t Quit You. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/09/opinion/brooks-the-things-we-dont-choose.html)

I had to sign up for a free NYT online account years ago.  Don't know whether that cookie is still hanging around or whether the NYT changed its online policy.  Just a warning that there might be some sign-up to get to this.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: John_Hannah on March 09, 2012, 08:09:48 AM
How's this work, Bishop?

If you are conservative, you should be a Mets fan? Yankees are libural!

If you are a Mets fan you should be LCMS? ELCA is libural!

JOHN HANNAH, (Confused in the Bronx, which was named after Jonas Bronck, a Lutheran farmer who founded the Yankees, who were loved by Walther in his day.)

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 09, 2012, 08:20:24 AM
How's this work, Bishop?

If you are conservative, you should be a Mets fan? Yankees are libural!

If you are a Mets fan you should be LCMS? ELCA is libural!

Works for me. 

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on March 09, 2012, 09:01:57 AM
Vicar Staneck is at Mets spring training this week.  This morning there is a really great editorial in the NY Times by David Brooks, who's the conservative side columnist for the Times.  The column is dedicated to being a Mets fan.  And he goes through his own decision to try to switch to the Nationals a few years ago, when his family moved to DC, and how that was a total failure.  The phenomenology of the feeling when the Mets are at bat vs. other teams was explained, and how it doesn't matter even when the team stinks, you're still a Mets fan.  The final lines capture it - "I have no choice but to love the Mets.  Just as I have no choice but to hate the Phillies."   Amen.

It's Lent, Bishop.  You, David Brooks, and the Staneck family all need to repent.   ;)

Sterling Spatz
(posting from suburban Philadelphia, bemused by the Nationals attempts to keep Philadelphia fans from taking over their park, after several years of marketing to them to come and visit.  I'm sure Phillies fans will again be willing to help the Wilpons' finances too by buying tickets to sit in Utley's Corner at CitiField.)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 09, 2012, 11:48:39 AM
Vicar Staneck is at Mets spring training this week.  This morning there is a really great editorial in the NY Times by David Brooks, who's the conservative side columnist for the Times.  The column is dedicated to being a Mets fan.  And he goes through his own decision to try to switch to the Nationals a few years ago, when his family moved to DC, and how that was a total failure.  The phenomenology of the feeling when the Mets are at bat vs. other teams was explained, and how it doesn't matter even when the team stinks, you're still a Mets fan.  The final lines capture it - "I have no choice but to love the Mets.  Just as I have no choice but to hate the Phillies."   Amen.

It's Lent, Bishop.  You, David Brooks, and the Staneck family all need to repent.   ;)

Sterling Spatz
(posting from suburban Philadelphia, bemused by the Nationals attempts to keep Philadelphia fans from taking over their park, after several years of marketing to them to come and visit.  I'm sure Phillies fans will again be willing to help the Wilpons' finances too by buying tickets to sit in Utley's Corner at CitiField.)

This is the arrogance of the Phillie fan - "Utley's Corner at CitiField."  They come up in these last few years in droves and stay the weekend, fouling the air of NYC with their beery shouts, wearing their "Ph" paraphenalia.  My own hope is that if/since the Mets will be laggards this year, both Miami and Atlanta, and if God wills, Washington, all finish ahead of the Phillies.  For a Mets fan, that would be a good summer.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on March 09, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
Here's the deal - if the Mets cannot/do not win (an almost sure thing this year) the hopes are
a) the Phillies lose, and lose big
b) the Yankees do not win it all

The Mets fan cannot root against the Yankees to be in the playoffs and even in the World Series, because it's good for business in NY.  We live with thse people and we all need to survive in a tough economy. 
However, whenever the Yankees win the whole thing, the Yankee fan becomes insufferable.  This has happened twenty-some times, and it's not easy to bear.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 28, 2012, 05:06:37 PM
Opening Day!!  ... sort of

Don't mind opening the baseball season with an international flavor in Japan.  Don't even mind the game being played at 5 AM our time..I can DVR with the best of them.

But why the 10-day span between when the Mariners and A's open and the rest of the teams open?  ???

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on March 28, 2012, 05:14:04 PM
MLB Commissioner Bud Selig had received complaints
from other teams who played games in Japan for
the regular season opener.  There was too much jet-lag
when they returned to US soil and resumed their regular
schedule of games.  With a 10 day difference the Mariners
and A's should be back to normal. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 29, 2012, 08:19:59 AM
MLB Commissioner Bud Selig had received complaints
from other teams who played games in Japan for
the regular season opener.  There was too much jet-lag
when they returned to US soil and resumed their regular
schedule of games.  With a 10 day difference the Mariners
and A's should be back to normal.

So start it two or three days earlier, give them their ten days so they start a week later in the season, and reduce their later off days by a few.

Or make the games exhibition ones; perhaps where a team or two plays a Japanese team.

Or don't do games in Japan.

This is ridiculous though.   These games stand out as a sore thumb to the rest of the season.

Yeah, I'll forget about it in a few days.  It's just a pet peeve.  :)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on April 05, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
As predicted, the Mets are in first place in the National League East.  After one day.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on April 05, 2012, 04:08:21 PM
Let's hear it from the cheeseheads:

Will the Brew Crew join the Pack in an inevitable fall from grace?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on April 05, 2012, 07:07:09 PM
Good News for Met fans:  They are 1-0 and in lst place

Bad News for Met fans: They still have to play 161 more games.

May the opening day win over the Atlanta Braves
bring joy to the "Big Apple" New York City.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 16, 2012, 08:48:34 AM
Good News for Met fans:  They are 1-0 and in lst place

Bad News for Met fans: They still have to play 161 more games.

Mets are currently 6-3 and only a half-game out of first place.

Behind the Phillies....no

the Braves...no

They're behind the Nats....imagine that!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on April 16, 2012, 10:18:52 AM
Ten games into the season, the National League has
two surprises: The Nationals leading the East at 7-3
and the Dodgers atop the West at 9-1,

The Phillies are off to a slow start at 4-5 in the East
as are the Giants in the West at 4-5.   The injury to
2nd Baseman Utley as well as the injury to First
Baseman Ryan Howard  takes away a lot of the Phils
offensive power.  Yet the Phils still have the best
starting rotation in the National League.  Pitching wins
ball games.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 26, 2012, 11:33:50 AM
Rangers in first place with an 8.5 game lead over the Angels.   That's a pretty good cushion for when Pujols' slump ends thereby ending the Angels' slump.

Mets four games back of the Nats in the NL East, but they are in place for the second wild-card spot if I read my standings correctly.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on April 26, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
And the Astros have finally dropped to the cellar, where they shall remain... :-X

BTW, the Rangers did not seem the least bit intimidated by the "Big Green Monster" at Fenway. Maybe that wall just scares Yankees! ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on April 26, 2012, 11:53:29 AM
Do not be surprised if it is true that Albert Pujols was on
steroids in St. Louis, but he has stopped them in LA.
He is now 32 years old and his body could be suffering
post-steroid syndrome.   Another example would be the
slump and injuries of  NY Yankees A-Rod.

If the Mets get a wild-card berth, the eschaton  is near.
However the Rangers currently have the best team
in baseball.  Josh Hamilton could win the Triple Crown and
Yu Darvish the Cy Young award.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 26, 2012, 12:08:14 PM
Do not be surprised if it is true that Albert Pujols was on
steroids in St. Louis, but he has stopped them in LA.
He is now 32 years old and his body could be suffering
post-steroid syndrome.   Another example would be the
slump and injuries of  NY Yankees A-Rod.

Few things surprise me, and this would not.  But it is probably AL pitching.  Yeah, that does not explain why he did not slump during the World Series, but all in all, David Freese is the hero of that story and not Albert.

If the Mets get a wild-card berth, the eschaton  is near.

Yeah, more proof that the Mayans were right.  It just seems that the Last Day will probably need to be Dec. 20 or 22 or something -- do I hear Christmas?   ;) -- since "no man knows the day or the hour".

However the Rangers currently have the best team
in baseball. 

Agreed.

Josh Hamilton could win the Triple Crown and
Yu Darvish the Cy Young award.

Both these would surprise me. 

Yu might win AL Rookie of the Year tho.  That is if 4-0 reliever Robbie Ross does not beat him to it.  :)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on April 30, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
A career national leaguer moving to the american league and having trouble hitting the ball predates the steroid era.  I remember when Henry Aaron came to the Brewers from the Braves in  1975.  Got to see him play in Baltimore for the Brewers and was he ever having trouble with American League pitching. His batting average and home runs were the worst of his career except for 1976 which was his last year. 

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on April 30, 2012, 08:39:10 PM
Why is Albert Pujols a bust this season?
He has a .216 BA, 4 RBI's, and 0 Home Runs.

Some of the reasons given for the demise of King Albert:
1) He is no longer on steroids.
2) He is 4 or 5 years older than assumed.
3)He is adjusting to American League pitchers.
4)He is a slow starter in April.
5)He is being punished by the Baseball gods
6)He is missing his wife and kids who still live in St.Louis.
7)He is pressing too much to earn his $25 million annual salary.
8)He is not a Lutheran.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 09, 2012, 11:19:17 AM
Josh Hamilton hits four home runs against Baltimore last night.  Only the 16th player to ever achieve such a feat.

Definitely a bad night for atheists.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on May 09, 2012, 01:44:13 PM
On April 26, I said Josh Hamilton could win the
Triple Crown.  Today, on May 9,  Josh had 14 Hr's
36  RBI's and 406 BA.  He is starting to look like
a slam dunk for this award if he can avoid injury.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 29, 2012, 12:49:06 PM
Standings after Memorial Day:

AL West leader:             Texas Rangers
AL Central leader:          Cleveland Indians
AL East leader (tie):        Baltimore Orioles
                                            Tampa Bay Rays
AL Wild Card #1 leader (tie):       Baltimore Orioles
                                                          Tampa Bay Rays
AL Wild Card #2 leader (tie):       New York Yankees
                                                           Chicago White Sox

NL West leader:              LA Dodgers
NL Central leader:          Cincinnati Reds
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals
AL Wild Card #1  and #2 leaders (tie):     Miami Marlins
                                                                         New York Mets
                                                                         St. Louis Cardinals

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on May 29, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
IF they played the World Series tomorrow based
on the best won/loss record, then the Texas Rangers
would play the Los Angeles Dodgers.

That match up would put Josh Hamilton's Triple Crown
stats against the power of Matt Kemp and Andre
Ethier.   Pitching matchup of Darvish against Capuano
would be outstanding.  This World Series would go
seven games with two evenly matched teams.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on May 29, 2012, 02:28:17 PM
That is a big IF Pastor Likeness.  Everyone knows however in the National League the best teams are the Cardinals and Nationals.  Once both teams get healthy it will not even be close.  The Cards can hit and the Nats have the most outstanding pitching.  I cannot get over that phenomenal young starting pitcher that the Nats' throw out every fifth day.  And no, I'm not talking about Jordan Zimmermann.  Gio Gonzalez is amazing.  Strasburg Who?

I'm simply trying to maintain my positive mental Nat-itude.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 29, 2012, 02:28:17 PM
That match up would put Josh Hamilton's Triple Crown
stats against the power of Matt Kemp and Andre
Ethier. 

Yeah well, while Hamilton may very well end up being selected the AL MVP -- we're still far off from even that -- I doubt he'll win the Triple Crown.

More patient hitters like Paul Konerko will end up having the higher batting average and OBP in this, the Moneyball era.  They don't have quite the power Hamilton does so they have to watch the pitches and a walk is as good as a hit for them.  Meanwhile, Hamilton's going to press for the extra-base hit.  It's just what he does.

Perhaps we will have another Triple Crown winner some day, but Hamilton's not going to be it.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 01, 2012, 10:28:39 PM
Congratulations to all the New York Met fans.....
Santana pitched a no-hitter tonight against the
St. Louis Cardinals.  He threw 134 pitches and had
8 strikeouts to accomplish this feat.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on June 01, 2012, 11:21:44 PM
Congratulations to all the New York Met fans.....
Santana pitched a no-hitter tonight against the
St. Louis Cardinals.  He threw 134 pitches and had
8 strikeouts to accomplish this feat.

YES!!!  Watched at home, although some parishioners were there (lucky ducks).  Vicar Staneck texted me that he had cried at the final out.  So did I.  Johan's first words to the press - "Amazing!"  That's a Mets moment.  Worth noting because I'm sure nobody on this board sees actual movies that in MBIII (Men in Black) one of the characters who's involved in time travel notes that his favorite moment in the history of time is the 69 Mets, and they show the final catch at Shea in Game 5.  Tonight, since it was real and not a movie, was better.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Erma S. Wolf on June 01, 2012, 11:36:08 PM
Congratulations to all the New York Met fans.....
Santana pitched a no-hitter tonight against the
St. Louis Cardinals.  He threw 134 pitches and had
8 strikeouts to accomplish this feat.

YES!!!  Watched at home, although some parishioners were there (lucky ducks).  Vicar Staneck texted me that he had cried at the final out.  So did I.  Johan's first words to the press - "Amazing!"  That's a Mets moment.  Worth noting because I'm sure nobody on this board sees actual movies that in MBIII (Men in Black) one of the characters who's involved in time travel notes that his favorite moment in the history of time is the 69 Mets, and they show the final catch at Shea in Game 5.  Tonight, since it was real and not a movie, was better.

Dave Benke

Ya Gotta Believe!

 (remembers watching 69 Mets in the World Series on grainey B&W TV in study hall at my high school)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on June 02, 2012, 12:57:54 AM
A week ago tonight I had my heartbroken over the NY Rangers losing suddenly in overtime in game 6 of the conference finals against a team predestined for hell (NJ Devils). 

It happened about 6 years after the last time I've ever felt as low, if not lower, as I felt last Friday night.  In October 2006 the Mets lost a game 7 in Queens to the Cardinals led by Yadier Molina, Adam Wainwright, and thanks to an outfielder named Carlos Beltran, who just so happens to wear the Cardinal uniform now.

In some form of poetic justice, Wainwright was the losing pitcher tonight, Molina was robbed by a kid from Queens in left field, and Beltran was robbed himself of a hit.  And Santana did it.  It happened.  My youngest brother called and I lost it.  Some may find that ridiculous.  I really don't care.  This means a lot.  And this is cool.

1st article, right?

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Lutheranistic on June 02, 2012, 07:05:50 AM
We miss Johan here in Minnesota...but I'll share in your joy (Vicar)iously.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on June 02, 2012, 07:35:40 AM
We miss Johan here in Minnesota...but I'll share in your joy (Vicar)iously.

I remember going to an interleague game maybe in '06, '07, day game - Mets v. Twins - and watching Santana strike out over a dozen and just take over the game - he had a couple of hits, he caught infield pop-ups personally, that kind of stuff - and saying to my wife, "This is a man among boys, a total competitor."  Same thing last nite. 

So after the game I called her in Minnesota where she's out for our godson, brother Bob's son Nathaniel's, HS graduation.  I told her what happened and she put Nathaniel on the phone and I said, "here's a gift from NY on your graduation - Johan Santana pitched the Mets first no-hitter just for you."  Minnesota to NYC and back again.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 02, 2012, 12:07:22 PM
As we bask in the baseball  blessing of Santana's
no-hitter for the New York Mets last night, it is
worthy to note this is a first in the history of the
Miracle Mets.

However, 7 former Met pitchers  have gone on to
hurl no-hitters for their new team.  The list includes
David Cone, Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver and Nolan
Ryan.  It is worthy to note that Cone and Gooden
pitched their no-hitters with the royalty of major league
baseball...The New York Yankees.  The Bronx Bombers
appreciate all the help they can get from the Mets.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 04, 2012, 09:53:33 AM
In some form of poetic justice, Wainwright was the losing pitcher tonight, Molina was robbed by a kid from Queens in left field, and Beltran was robbed himself of a hit.  And Santana did it.  It happened.  My youngest brother called and I lost it.  Some may find that ridiculous.  I really don't care.  This means a lot.  And this is cool.

1st article, right?

M. Staneck

Yes.  First Article.

That's why I feel no shame in occasionally bumping this thread back up to the first page.  Among God's many delights is baseball.

Congrats to the Mets!  Hope to see them in the World Series (where the Rangers can take them down   ;)  ).

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 05, 2012, 02:09:05 PM
If the World Series would be played today, then
the teams with the best records would be:
Los Angeles Dodgers and  Texas Rangers

However, as we all know we have play offs between
Divisional Champs, plus the wild card teams.
Currently, two hot teams in the National League
are Miami and San Francisco.  While the American
League has the White Sox and Angels trending upward.
So that is why we play 162 games in  order to get it
right.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 09, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
With all the euphoria of the Atlantic District Convention,
it is also noteworthy that the New York Yankees have
given us reason to celebrate.  They have defeated the
New York Mets in the first two games of the "Subway
Series."  On the New Testament Sabbath they will go
for the sweep tomorrow.

On Friday, Johann Santana gave up 4 home runs and 7
hits, 6 runs, in 5 innings.  Tonite, the Mets gave up 2
home runs.  6 Home Runs in 2 games is why they call
the Yankees ....."The Bronx Bombers"
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 14, 2012, 08:09:45 AM
So, Mets fans, since Matt Cain is overshadowing all of this anyway...

Should R. A. Dickey have been credited with a no-hitter?  And would doing so take some of the shine off Santana's no-hitter a few days back?

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on June 14, 2012, 08:33:02 AM
So, Mets fans, since Matt Cain is overshadowing all of this anyway...

Should R. A. Dickey have been credited with a no-hitter?  And would doing so take some of the shine off Santana's no-hitter a few days back?

Mike

Not on the back pages of the NY Tabloids!  Matt Cain who?

To your questions:

1) No.
2) No way. Even Johan's clunker last Friday against the hated Yankees didn't take the shine off the no-no. 

This is the type of season the Mets will have.  Hopefully more ups than downs.  Especially with this 2nd Wild Card in play, and Dickey at 10-1, we may yet see meaningful August baseball which may yet translate into meaningful September baseball.  And we may not.  We'll see!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 14, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
This is the type of season the Mets will have.  Hopefully more ups than downs.  Especially with this 2nd Wild Card in play, and Dickey at 10-1, we may yet see meaningful August baseball which may yet translate into meaningful September baseball.  And we may not.  We'll see!

Well, right now, the Mets are tied with the Braves for the second NL wild card spot so there is indeed great hope.

And the Phillies are dropping out of sight.  That's even better!  ;D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 20, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
The New York Yankees 10 game winning streak came to a halt on
tuesday night. Yet they have reasserted themselves as the leader
of the American League East Division.  More importantly, they have
again proven they are the number one  baseball team in the city of
New York.  Oh, for the days of the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York
Giants who went westward for the big bucks .  The Dodgers and
Giants had players the Mets can only dream about.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on June 21, 2012, 08:55:36 AM
The New York Yankees 10 game winning streak came to a halt on
tuesday night. Yet they have reasserted themselves as the leader
of the American League East Division.  More importantly, they have
again proven they are the number one  baseball team in the city of
New York.  Oh, for the days of the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York
Giants who went westward for the big bucks .  The Dodgers and
Giants had players the Mets can only dream about.

Au contraire!  The best baseball team in New York City is actually the Cincinnati Reds (collectively 5-1 when playing in the Five Boroughs).   ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on June 21, 2012, 09:17:03 AM
In the baseball universe that is New York City the other day Peter Gammons was talking with a certain husky fellow on WFAN named Sports Pope Mike I.  The Pope and Gammons actually had the audacity to talk about how unfair it was for the Braves to have to play the Yankees 6 times this year.

I'm sorry, the Mets do this every year and that's fair?  That being said, I expect Collins' Kids to show up in a big way this weekend in Queens.  If they do, it will be the talk of the town.  If they don't?  Well then it's just what you would expect when a team beats another and has 100M+ more on the payroll.

The 11-1 Robert Allen Dickey goes up against Cap'n Crunch Sabathia Sunday night on ESPN.  Temps nearing a hundy today, though after some rain tomorrow it should break for a nice weekend.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 21, 2012, 09:27:50 AM
In the baseball universe that is New York City the other day Peter Gammons was talking with a certain husky fellow on WFAN named Sports Pope Mike I.  The Pope and Gammons actually had the audacity to talk about how unfair it was for the Braves to have to play the Yankees 6 times this year.

Good.  I like the DH, and I think it is here to stay.  Little League uses it for goodness' sake.

I like playoffs; I'm even certain they'll iron out the wrinkles in this expanded wild-card after this season.

But if such crabbing leads to an end to interleague play -- which I think has lost its luster and a lot are getting bored with -- then that will be fine with me.  I liked it when the AL and NL only met in the All-Star Game and the Series.   

With all of the mixing, I don't get much of the point in even having an AFC and NFC in the NFL.  I'd rather MLB not go in that direction.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on June 21, 2012, 09:55:24 AM
The DH turns baseball into beer league softball.  But unfortunately I think you're right that it is here to stay.  What's the saying, "Chicks Dig the long ball," not "Chicks dig a well-executed game of strategy and athleticism?"

Too bad.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 21, 2012, 10:02:36 AM
The DH turns baseball into beer league softball.  But unfortunately I think you're right that it is here to stay.  What's the saying, "Chicks Dig the long ball," not "Chicks dig a well-executed game of strategy and athleticism?"

Too bad.

M. Staneck

I'm shallow, but I'd have to say that I'm glad my wife is a chick who digs the long ball more than a well-executed game of strategy.    I guess that's why I didn't troll the chess club looking for dates.  ;)

And yeah, I know you added athleticism, but I don't find that distinctive to not having a DH.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on June 21, 2012, 10:30:51 AM
Mike If I were trolling for dates at the chess club that would be a serious issue in our denomination (when was the last time you saw a chess club full of girls?).

Baseball got along just great without a DH until the 70s (a screwy decade, no?).  I'm saddened it has become so happenstance in all levels of baseball.  But to your inter league point, we are in agreement.  I find it to be a sham and hate it.  I especially hate the Mets playing the Yankees 6 times a year.  But I think the doing away with AL/NL is more likely then reverting back. 

I'm of the opinion we need separate presidents and umpires again.  After all, I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran and repristination is my thing.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 21, 2012, 10:45:32 AM
I'm of the opinion we need separate presidents and umpires again.  After all, I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran and repristination is my thing.

Cool.  So you're with all of us that 2004 Synodical Resolution 3-08A should be rescinded at least until further study and discussion on women's roles is done under the auspices of the Koinonia Project?  ;)  If so, I might reconsider my "enlightened" opinion on the DH which increases safety for pitchers and permits ballplayers to productively play through minor injuries and later into their careers; to the enjoyment of many fans.

Just kidding.  Too many serious threads to bog this one down. 

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 25, 2012, 02:03:12 PM
Today, we celebrate the Bronx Bombers taking 5 out of 6 games from
the  New York Mets this season.  Inter-league play is over.  Next season
the Yankees and Mets will  only meet  4 times.   This is a good deal for
the Mets.   Special thanks to Robinson Cano for hitting the game winning
home run last night to seal the deal.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 27, 2012, 09:33:37 AM
Rangers pitcher Colby Lewis has been placed on the DL.  This means that out of the opening day rotation three of the five Rangers pitchers, Neftali Feliz, Derek Holland, and Lewis, are now on the DL.

Josh Hamilton is in a slump.  He's still contending for the AL Home Run and RBI leads, but his batting average has fallen well off of any hope of Triple Crown contention.

And yet the Rangers still keep winning in 100-degree heat and sport one of the best records in MLB.

Can you imagine what might happen when they get back to full strength?

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 27, 2012, 09:39:49 AM
Beware of Albert Puljos and the Angels  they are coming
on strong.  They are the only challenger to the Rangers
for  the West division title.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 27, 2012, 09:57:35 AM
Beware of Albert Puljos and the Angels  they are coming
on strong.  They are the only challenger to the Rangers
for  the West division title.

I'll leave it at saying that late July should be very interesting concerning that.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on June 30, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
Rangers pitcher Colby Lewis has been placed on the DL.  This means that out of the opening day rotation three of the five Rangers pitchers, Neftali Feliz, Derek Holland, and Lewis, are now on the DL.

Josh Hamilton is in a slump.  He's still contending for the AL Home Run and RBI leads, but his batting average has fallen well off of any hope of Triple Crown contention.

And yet the Rangers still keep winning in 100-degree heat and sport one of the best records in MLB.

Can you imagine what might happen when they get back to full strength?

Mike

You could say the same thing about the Yankees, and/or the Mets, and/or a bunch of teams with injuries.  As to the heat, thanks for the gift of 100-degrees out here in the East.  We'd like not to have received it.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 30, 2012, 10:51:42 PM
Baseball, like any sport is subject to injuries.
Currently, the New York Yankees have C.C . Sabathia,
Andy Pettitte, Brett Gardner, Mariano Rivera,  Michael
Pineda on the Disabled List.  Yet they have the bench
to maintain 1st place in their division when their aces
go down.  Hopefully, Manager Joe Girardi  can pilot the
Bronx Bombers to another division title and World Series
ring.  Yes, Sports...is the toy department of life, while
blogging on this forum is the hobby department of life.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 09, 2012, 09:06:36 AM
Standings at the All-Star break:

AL West leader:             Texas Rangers
AL Central leader:          Chicago White Sox
AL East leader:     :        New York Yankees
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  LA Angels
AL Wild Card #2 leader:  Baltimore Orioles

NL West leader:              LA Dodgers
NL Central leader:           Pittsburgh Pirates
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Cincinnati Reds
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   Atlanta Braves

Mets are just a half-game out of the wild-card though!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on July 10, 2012, 09:30:42 PM
Hmm.  St. Louis Cardinals appear at the plate, and suddenly All-Star Matt Harrison is easy to hit....
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: James_Gale on July 10, 2012, 11:13:19 PM
Did Hanrahan learn the art of beard-growing from George?  Or is it just generally a Pittsburgh thing?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: George Erdner on July 11, 2012, 12:43:20 AM
Did Hanrahan learn the art of beard-growing from George?  Or is it just generally a Pittsburgh thing?

It's a 'Burgh thing.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 14, 2012, 07:39:59 PM
This is probably the worst idea ever proposed.
On August 10, the minor league team the St. Paul
Saints will sponsor "Atheist Night"   The Minnesota
Atheist Association suggested the promotion to tie
in with their regional conference that weekend in
St. Paul, Minnesota.  Even baseball has become a
secular sport in the state where one out of every
five adults is Lutheran.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 16, 2012, 08:24:10 AM
This is probably the worst idea ever proposed.
On August 10, the minor league team the St. Paul
Saints will sponsor "Atheist Night"   The Minnesota
Atheist Association suggested the promotion to tie
in with their regional conference that weekend in
St. Paul, Minnesota.  Even baseball has become a
secular sport in the state where one out of every
five adults is Lutheran.

Are they minor-league or independent?

If minor-league, then it would be truly ironic considering the initial subject of this thread if Josh Hamilton got sent down for a few weeks to heal up his back and work on timing issues and the Rangers affiliate was in town then.   ;)

Mike

Edited: because Josh is not John (no idea where that came from)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on July 16, 2012, 04:24:40 PM

Are they minor-league or independent?


The St. Paul Saints were founded in 1993 as part of the independent Northern League, and are now part of the American Association of Independent Professional Baseball, a professional league not affiliated with Major League Baseball (or Minor League Baseball).  For much of the team's history Mike Veeck, son of (the infamous) Bill Veeck, Jr., was the principal owner and he still has an ownership interest in the team.

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 16, 2012, 04:33:01 PM

Are they minor-league or independent?


The St. Paul Saints were founded in 1993 as part of the independent Northern League, and are now part of the American Association of Independent Professional Baseball, a professional league not affiliated with Major League Baseball (or Minor League Baseball).  For much of the team's history Mike Veeck, son of (the infamous) Bill Veeck, Jr., was the principal owner and he still has an ownership interest in the team.

Pax, Steven+

Thanks!  I thought I remembered they were an independent league team.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 16, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
The state of Illinois has 2 minor league teams
1) Peoria Chiefs (Midwest League (A)
2) Chicago Cubs (National League (AAA)

Sometimes the Chicago team will send their
players on the Disabled List to rehab  with
the Peoria team. 

Currently the Peoria Chiefs are in 7th place
in the Western Division and the Chicago Cubs
are in 5th place in the Central Division.
Both teams have lost more than they have won
by a wide margin  But wait til next year..
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 26, 2012, 08:59:02 AM
Trade talks promise to heat up even more as we approach the trade deadline in the middle of next week.

We've already seen the spectacle of Ichiro suiting up as a Yankee and playing against the Mariners on the very day he was traded.

The Phillies took a deep gulp and paid dearly to lock up Cole Hamels for six years.  So does that mean Cliff Lee is soon to leave?

And what about Zack Greinke?  Could someone like the Rangers snap him up to replace Colby Lewis who is out for the season?  Or maybe Josh Johnson as the Marlins look poised to continue their fire sale?

Most of you will probably will be watching the Olympics over the next week.  I'm certain that I'll cast my eye towards it once or twice, but the trade talks are what have my interest right now.  :)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 01, 2012, 07:36:09 AM
Standings as of the morning of August 1:

AL West leader:             Texas Rangers
AL Central leader:          Chicago White Sox
AL East leader:     :        New York Yankees
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  LA Angels
AL Wild Card #2 leader:  Oakland A's

NL West leader:              San Francisco Giants
NL Central leader:           Cincinnati Reds
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   Pittsburgh Pirates

Mets are now 9.5 games out of the wild-card.  Looks like better luck next year.  The good news is that the Phillies are doing even worse!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on August 01, 2012, 09:27:21 AM
And the Astros have traded mediocrity for abject failure... :P
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 01, 2012, 10:53:11 AM
And the Astros have traded mediocrity for abject failure... :P

Right now, the Rangers, Angels, and A's are battling out which team will go to the playoffs as the AL West division leader and which two will go as wild cards.  But they are all three situated to go to the post-season.

Looks like the Astros may be destined to be bunkmates with the Mariners in the AL West cellar.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on August 01, 2012, 11:39:59 AM
I'd just throw in the towel and make the drive from San Antonio to Arlington for a game...IF they'd just add a roof and a/c to the stadium! I'm not leaving the Alamo City in August to sit outside in even worse heat in the Metroplex... :P 

Maybe they could move the games into the Jerry Dome during July-Sept? Of course the stink left behind in the stadium this year by the Cowboys would make the venue unusable by a class act like the Rangers. ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on August 01, 2012, 11:48:28 AM
There's still room on the bandwagon for the team with the best record in baseball, but tickets are going fast!  Feel free to join us on the Big Red Machine!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on August 01, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
There's still room on the bandwagon for the team with the best record in baseball, but tickets are going fast!  Feel free to join us on the Big Red Machine!

Red is merely one of the primary colors for the Washington Nationals, but it's good to have another person notice the unparalleled success of the Nation's Team that plays in the Nation's Capitol!  Good to have ya, Steverem!   8)

Dusty will sink the Cincy ship, no doubt.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 01, 2012, 12:56:06 PM
I'd just throw in the towel and make the drive from San Antonio to Arlington for a game...IF they'd just add a roof and a/c to the stadium! I'm not leaving the Alamo City in August to sit outside in even worse heat in the Metroplex... :P 

Maybe they could move the games into the Jerry Dome during July-Sept? Of course the stink left behind in the stadium this year by the Cowboys would make the venue unusable by a class act like the Rangers. ;D

Don't see them adding a roof or A/C.  They're still selling out despite the heat and being in a relative slump lately.   And when the Rangers are no longer a top-level team, they just won't have the money.  Plus we're Texans.  We can't take a little heat?  :)

As for the Death Star I believe that my daughter said it best as we walked out of Rangers Ballpark a week ago, "The Ballpark is so pretty; why does the Cowboys stadium have to be so ugly?"

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on August 01, 2012, 12:57:33 PM
There's still room on the bandwagon for the team with the best record in baseball, but tickets are going fast!  Feel free to join us on the Big Red Machine!

Red is merely one of the primary colors for the Washington Nationals, but it's good to have another person notice the unparalleled success of the Nation's Team that plays in the Nation's Capitol!  Good to have ya, Steverem!   8)

Dusty will sink the Cincy ship, no doubt.

Jeremy

Don't know if having the second-best record in the majors counts as "unparalleled" success, but yes, I have noticed.  (I live here in the DC metroplex - about a half-mile outside the Beltway.)  Looking forward to seeing my Redlegs at Nats Park sometime in October.   ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on August 01, 2012, 01:09:32 PM
The two best teams in the National League are
the Reds and the Nationals.  However, both have
several hurdles to clear to get to the World Series.
The Reds have Joey Votto on the DL and Dusty
Baker is not a better manager than the Nats Davey
Johnson

The Nationals have said that Strasburg is on an
innings limit for this season.   He might have to
be shut down  by September.  They also need the
bat of Werth who is soon coming off the DL.
Harper can not carry this team by himself.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on August 01, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
I have long held out the hope that San Antonio homeboy Davey Johnson would manage the Astros. I think his managerial skills have been underrated. Good to see him do so well, even if he's managing a team from Washington DC.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on August 01, 2012, 03:18:55 PM
The two best teams in the National League are
the Reds and the Nationals.  However, both have
several hurdles to clear to get to the World Series.
The Reds have Joey Votto on the DL and Dusty
Baker is not a better manager than the Nats Davey
Johnson

The Nationals have said that Strasburg is on an
innings limit for this season.   He might have to
be shut down  by September.  They also need the
bat of Werth who is soon coming off the DL.
Harper can not carry this team by himself.

Pastor Likeness, Bryce Harper has not yet begun to carry this team.  Since May his monthly statistics have been declining.  But that's okay because he's 19!  And he manages to get the job done when needed.  Ian Desmond has been the MVP and since a cortisone shot, Ryan Zimmerman has been playing like the franchise player he has always been.  Michael Morse has been great, and despite Harper's July doldrums, the Nats' bats have been just about the best in the game.  Werth is going to have find some at bats.   

Regarding pitching, count me as one who thinks it is no big deal when Strasburg sits.  The Nats' window is at its apex right now and they will compete for championships for the next decade.  Each night provides an opportunity for somebody other than Strasburg to assert themselves as #1.  Gio Gonzalez was an all star.  Jordan Zimmermann has better all around statistics than either Strasburg or Gonzalez.  Poor run support in the opening months is why his record is mediocre.  Edwin Jackson not only has been an innings eater but has been efficient and effective.  Ross Detwiler and John Lannan will do a more than adequate job in the September stretch run.  A playoff rotation of Gonzalez, Zimmermann and Jackson is okay in my book. 

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 27, 2012, 09:05:08 AM
The Houston Astros have been mathematically eliminated from the NL Central division race.

They can thank the Cincinnati Redlegs for that.

Not that things will go much better for them next year when they'll find themselves with the Texas Rangers and LA Angels in the AL West.

The Astros do still have a glimmer of hope tho.  They still have a teeny chance to win one of the wild card spots if they start pouring it on RIGHT NOW.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 06, 2012, 08:30:58 AM
Standings as of the morning of Sept. 6:

AL West leader:             Texas Rangers
AL Central leader:          Chicago White Sox
AL East leader:     :        New York Yankees
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Baltimore Orioles
AL Wild Card #2 leader:  Oakland A's

NL West leader:              San Francisco Giants
NL Central leader:           Cincinnati Reds
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals

Mets are 9 games out of the wild-card, and the Nats just need 9 wins or Met losses to eliminate them from the NL East.  Looks like no Met post-season this year.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Rev. Matthew Uttenreither on September 06, 2012, 09:44:12 AM
Big four game series between my O's and the Yankees starts today.  Hoping the O's sweep or at least take 3 out of 4.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 06, 2012, 09:56:38 AM
Big four game series between my O's and the Yankees starts today.  Hoping the O's sweep or at least take 3 out of 4.

Yes, the AL East seems to be in a real dogfight going into the last weeks of the season.  The Yankees, Orioles, and Rays are fighting it out for the division lead with the Oakland A's adding pressure so that they can't all relax and feel assured of a post-season slot.

By contrast, the Rangers have been able to maintain a fairly comfortable four or five game lead on the A's and the feared Angels are even farther back.  I'm finding myself casting an eye over to the AL East games including this Yanks-O's series more and more these days.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 07, 2012, 10:08:35 AM
Yankees and Orioles all tied up with the Rays breathing down their necks just two games behind.  I love pennant races!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 10, 2012, 08:51:43 AM
Yankees and Orioles split over the weekend, 2 games each. 

Meanwhile as they tred water, the Angels have gone 9-1 over their last ten and are making a serious bid for the second AL wild card spot.

One of the Yankees, Orioles, and Rays will make the postseason by virtue of the AL East crown.  However, there is no guarantee that either of the other two teams will make it.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 13, 2012, 09:25:09 AM
AL West leader:             Texas Rangers            Magic Number: 18
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 17

AL Central leader:          Chicago White Sox     Magic Number: 20
AL East leader (tie):       New York Yankees      Magic Number: 21
                                   Baltimore Orioles             
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Oakland A's                     Wild Card Magic Number: 20
AL Wild Card #2 leader (tie): New York Yankees      Wild Card Magic Number: 21
                                   Baltimore Orioles                   


NL West leader:              San Francisco Giants       Magic Number: 13
NL Central leader:           Cincinnati Reds               Magic Number: 8
                                                                          Playoff Magic Number: 7
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals       Magic Number: 11
                                                                          Playoff Magic Number: 5
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves                Wild Card Magic Number: 13     
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals           Wild Card Magic Number: 19

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on September 13, 2012, 10:49:02 AM
Looks like adding Pujols and C.J. Wilson propelled the Angels past the Rangers to the top of the AL West.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on September 13, 2012, 03:07:15 PM
Looks like adding Pujols and C.J. Wilson propelled the Angels past the Rangers to the top of the AL West.  ;) ;D

Well, when CJ and Weaver are the only part of the starting rotation that seemed to show up this year...

Nevertheless, this Angel fan admits to getting some pleasure in seeing how Nolan Ryan's presidency/ownership of the Rangers has had a positive impact on a long-suffering team.

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 13, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Nolan Ryan was a winner and Hall of Famer as
a MLB player, and he is the same way as the CEO
of the Texas Rangers.

Despite all his success as a major league pitcher
with 7 no-hitters and  one of the career leaders in
strikeouts.....Nolan says the number he is most
proud of is that he is still married to his first and
only wife.  Nolan is a class act.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 13, 2012, 03:43:45 PM
Looks like adding Pujols and C.J. Wilson propelled the Angels past the Rangers to the top of the AL West.  ;) ;D

Well, when CJ and Weaver are the only part of the starting rotation that seemed to show up this year...

Yeah, but the fact that the A's seem to be pushing them out of the wild card must sting as well.

I'm looking forward to the Rangers coming to Anaheim next week and handing the Angels their heads.  :)

Nevertheless, this Angel fan admits to getting some pleasure in seeing how Nolan Ryan's presidency/ownership of the Rangers has had a positive impact on a long-suffering team.

Pax, Steven+

Nolan is indeed a class act. It will certainly be interesting to have both the Angels and Astros in the AL West next year considering his history.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on September 16, 2012, 09:50:17 PM
Condolences to Bishop Benke. :'(

Brewers take 2 of 3 from the Mets.  Ryan Braun hits his 200th career home run in today's game.  He's having a better season statistically this year than last year.

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 17, 2012, 01:45:18 PM
Condolences to Bishop Benke. :'(

Brewers take 2 of 3 from the Mets.  Ryan Braun hits his 200th career home run in today's game.  He's having a better season statistically this year than last year.

Tom Myhre

Considering that the Mets have been eliminated from both the NL East and wild card races for some time now and also that I think Pr. Benke originally hails from Wisconsin, I'm thinking that he is probably cheering Ryan Braun's success even though this milestone came at the hands of the Mets.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 17, 2012, 02:03:46 PM
The big news in MLB is that the Washington
Nationals have the best record in baseball and
could be World Series bound.  Davey Johnson
is hands down the manager of the year.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on September 17, 2012, 03:12:21 PM
And that they are looking out for the long term health of Strassburg and the franchise.  That takes some guts in this win NOW damn the future culture.

Another note on the Brewers - they are only 2.5 games out of the second wild card spot and inching up steadily (19-5 over the last 24) and they are doing it with 5 first year pitchers in their bullpen.  Hoping Corey Hart is back by the week's end.  He has done a marvelous job at first base this year - having been converted from right field 3 weeks into the season due to an injury to the season starter.

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on September 17, 2012, 04:21:35 PM
Speaking as someone who roots for a team that appears headed for postseason play in the National League (looks for some solid hardwood upon which to knock), can someone PLEASE keep the Philadelphia Phillies from reaching the playoffs?  No team in the league scares me half as much as a Phillies team with their pitching staff and a slew of players finally getting healthy for the stretch run.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 17, 2012, 04:34:48 PM
Speaking as someone who roots for a team that appears headed for postseason play in the National League (looks for some solid hardwood upon which to knock), can someone PLEASE keep the Philadelphia Phillies from reaching the playoffs?  No team in the league scares me half as much as a Phillies team with their pitching staff and a slew of players finally getting healthy for the stretch run.

If I figure my magic numbers right, then the Phillies were eliminated from the NL East race last night.

That leaves the wild card.  They are four games back in the wild card standings with Atlanta well ahead of them.  That leaves one wild card slot to contend for with St. Louis, LA, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh ahead of them.

If the Phillies can somehow grind it out and come in ahead of all of them at this point, they deserve the post-season.  I don't think it's likely at all.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on September 17, 2012, 05:49:07 PM
Speaking as someone who roots for a team that appears headed for postseason play in the National League (looks for some solid hardwood upon which to knock), can someone PLEASE keep the Philadelphia Phillies from reaching the playoffs?  No team in the league scares me half as much as a Phillies team with their pitching staff and a slew of players finally getting healthy for the stretch run.

If I figure my magic numbers right, then the Phillies were eliminated from the NL East race last night.

That leaves the wild card.  They are four games back in the wild card standings with Atlanta well ahead of them.  That leaves one wild card slot to contend for with St. Louis, LA, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh ahead of them.

If the Phillies can somehow grind it out and come in ahead of all of them at this point, they deserve the post-season.  I don't think it's likely at all.

Mike

Well, as recently as 8/29, they were 10 games back in the wild card.  It might not be probable, but it is definitely possible.  As a Reds fan, I would SOOO much more like to play the teams listed above than that team up I-95 from here.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on September 17, 2012, 06:32:38 PM
Thrivent Lutheran Night at the (local team) went 2-0 this year for the games I frequented.

The Minnesota Twins defeated the Chicago White Sox on July 31 at Target Field in Minneapolis.

This Saturday at Turner Field in Atlanta, the Braves bested the Nationals.  There were far more LCMS Lutherans at this event than ELCA. The choir from Faith Lutheran School (LCMS) in Marietta, GA ably sang the national anthem.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 21, 2012, 08:37:40 AM
AL West leader:             Texas Rangers            Magic Number: 10
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 6
AL Central leader:          Chicago White Sox     Magic Number: 12
AL East leader (tie):       New York Yankees      Magic Number: 13
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 8   
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Oakland A's               Wild Card Magic Number: 9
AL Wild Card #2 leader:  Baltimore Orioles         Wild Card Magic Number: 9
                       

NL West leader:              San Francisco Giants       Magic Number: 3
NL Central leader:           Cincinnati Reds               Magic Number: 2
                                                                          Clinched Playoff Berth
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals       Magic Number: 8
                                                                          Clinched Playoff Berth
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves                Wild Card Magic Number: 5     
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals           Wild Card Magic Number: 11

Also, the Mets were officially eliminated from the wild card race and any possibility of post-season contention last night.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 25, 2012, 07:30:25 AM
AL West leader:             Texas Rangers            Magic Number: 5
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 3
AL Central leader:          Chicago White Sox     Magic Number: 9
AL East leader:              New York Yankees     Magic Number: 8
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 5   
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Baltimore Orioles        Wild Card Magic Number: 6
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Oakland A's               Wild Card Magic Number: 8

NL West champion:         San Francisco Giants       
NL Central champion:      Cincinnati Reds   
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals       Magic Number: 5
                                                                          Clinched Playoff Berth
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves                Wild Card Magic Number: 1     
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals           Wild Card Magic Number: 6

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 25, 2012, 01:33:24 PM
The Washington Nationals  and San Francisco
Giants look like the best in the their league.

Texas Rangers and New York Yankees have
a good chance in the American league to go
to the World Series.   The real sleeper is the
Detroit Tigers who could overtake the White Sox.
The Tigers could do some damage in the playoffs
with Cabrera and Fielder at bat and Verlander
and Scherzer on the mound.

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on September 25, 2012, 01:41:58 PM

The Washington Nationals  and San Francisco
Giants look like the best in the their league.


Need I point out that my Reds are several games up on the Giants, were the first team to clinch a playoff spot, first team to clinch their division, and are a mere one game behind Washington for the best record in the National League, despite having their best player out for over a month with an injury?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 25, 2012, 01:48:52 PM
The omission of the Cincy Reds is due to the
fact the Dusty Baker's health is in limbo.  They
need his mojo of their manager to get far in
the playoffs.  Joey Votto, Johnny Cueto and
Aroldis Chapman are Super-Stars.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 25, 2012, 05:31:46 PM
Texas Rangers and New York Yankees have
a good chance in the American league to go
to the World Series.   The real sleeper is the
Detroit Tigers who could overtake the White Sox.
The Tigers could do some damage in the playoffs
with Cabrera and Fielder at bat and Verlander
and Scherzer on the mound.

Well, the unfortunate news for MVP hopefuls Miguel Cabrera and Mike Trout is that both will need a lot of help from other teams for their teams to make the playoffs and cement their MVP bids.

Meanwhile, Adrian Beltre has delivered many game-ending hits and home runs as well as playing third with the best even when sick lately.
He deserves MVP consideration both for his stats and for his being truly valuable in his team making the playoffs.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 26, 2012, 07:34:07 AM
AL West leader:             Texas Rangers            Magic Number: 5
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 3
AL Central leader (tie):   Chicago White Sox      Magic Number: 9
                                    Detroit Tigers
AL East leader:              New York Yankees     Magic Number: 7
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 5   
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Baltimore Orioles        Wild Card Magic Number: 6
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Oakland A's               Wild Card Magic Number: 7

NL West champion:         San Francisco Giants       
NL Central champion:      Cincinnati Reds   
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals       Magic Number: 5
                                                                          Clinched Playoff Berth
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves                Clinched Playoff Berth 
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals           Wild Card Magic Number: 4

Looks like Miguel Cabrera, Justin Verlander and the Tigers just might make the playoffs after all as they are now tied up with the Pale Hose for the AL Central.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 27, 2012, 08:28:38 AM
AL West leader:             Texas Rangers            Magic Number: 5
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 3
AL Central leader (tie):   Detroit Tigers              Magic Number: 7
AL East leader:              New York Yankees     Magic Number: 6
                                                                    Playoff Magic Number: 4   
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Baltimore Orioles        Wild Card Magic Number: 5
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Oakland A's               Wild Card Magic Number: 6

NL West champion:         San Francisco Giants       
NL Central champion:      Cincinnati Reds   
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals       Magic Number: 4
                                                                          Clinched Playoff Berth
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves                Clinched Playoff Berth
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals           Wild Card Magic Number: 4

Tigers take the lead in the AL Central.  While I still think Adrian Beltre deserves consideration, Miguel Cabrera for MVP!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 28, 2012, 11:09:51 AM
What is amazing is that 4 of the 5 playoff spots in
the National League are settled.  While none have
been set in the American League.  Detroit has 2
game lead over Chicago, and the Yankees have
only 1 game lead over Orioles.  Texas is really
the only lock for a divisional title.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 01, 2012, 08:57:16 AM
AL West leader:             Texas Rangers            Magic Number: 2
                                                                    Clinched Playoff  Berth
AL Central leader:          Detroit Tigers             Magic Number: 1
AL East leader (tie):        New York Yankees     Magic Number: 4
                                    Baltimore Orioles        Cliched Playoff Berths
AL Wild Card #1 leaders (tie):  New York Yankees     Cliched Playoff Berths
                                            Baltimore Orioles       
AL Wild Card #1 leader:          Oakland A's               Wild Card Magic Number: 1

NL West champion:         San Francisco Giants       
NL Central champion:      Cincinnati Reds   
NL East leader:               Washington Nationals       Magic Number: 1
                                                                          Clinched Playoff Berth
NL Wild Card #1 leader:   Atlanta Braves                Clinched Playoff Berth
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals           Wild Card Magic Number: 2

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Rev. Matthew Uttenreither on October 01, 2012, 09:52:39 AM
Let's Go O's!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 02, 2012, 07:31:11 AM
AL West leader:             Texas Rangers            Magic Number: 2
                                                                    Clinched Playoff  Berth
AL Central champion:     Detroit Tigers             
AL East leader:              New York Yankees     Magic Number: 2
                                                                    Clinched Playoff Berth
AL Wild Card #1 leader:  Baltimore Orioles        Clinched Playoff Berth     
AL Wild Card #2 leader:  Oakland A's               Clinched Playoff Berth

NL West champion:         San Francisco Giants       
NL Central champion:      Cincinnati Reds   
NL East champion:          Washington Nationals 
NL Wild Card #1 winner:   Atlanta Braves               
NL Wild Card #2 leader:   St. Louis Cardinals     Wild Card Magic Number: 1

Baltimore drops a game behind the Yankees, and they have to face the jilted Rays while New York faces the hapless Red Sox.  Does not look good for the O's, but the AL East is still possible.

It also hasn't looked too good for the Rangers over the past week either.  Wouldn't it be a hoot if after leading the AL for all this time as the top two teams, the Rangers and Yankees ended up in the AL wild card game?

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Paul O Malley on October 02, 2012, 11:52:25 AM
Wouldn't it be a hoot if after leading the AL for all this time as the top two teams, the Rangers and Yankees ended up in the AL wild card game?

That is an absolutely delicious thought.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 02, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
What America really wants to see in the World
Series.......The Nationals sweep the Yankees in
four games.  This would mean the Parousia is
near.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 02, 2012, 12:50:08 PM
What America really wants to see in the World
Series.......The Nationals sweep the Yankees in
four games.  This would mean the Parousia is
near.

So would this be a stronger or weaker sign than the Mayan calendar?  :D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on October 02, 2012, 02:08:44 PM
Eamus Catuli! (http://www.eamuscatuli.com)

Pax et bonum, Stephanus+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 02, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
Eamus Catuli! (http://www.eamuscatuli.com)

Pax et bonum, Stephanus+

Yeah, the Red Sox broke the curse of the Bambino in 2004 and then won a WS in 2007 to boot.

Of course, given their travails this season, perhaps the old saw that the world will end just before a World Series between the Cubs and Red Sox would end may come back in vogue.  :D

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 02, 2012, 02:52:45 PM
Congratulations to the Chicago Cubs who lost 100
games this season.  This is the first time they have
lost 100 games since l966.  This is the first year
of their rebuilding program under Theo Epstein.
These Lovable Losers of the North Side of Chicago
have gone over 100 years since winning a World
Series. 

Rumor has it, that Job of the Old Testament was
a long-suffering Chicago Cub fan.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: GalRev83 on October 02, 2012, 07:03:38 PM
Congratulations to the Chicago Cubs who lost 100
games this season.  This is the first time they have
lost 100 games since l966.  This is the first year
of their rebuilding program under Theo Epstein.
These Lovable Losers of the North Side of Chicago
have gone over 100 years since winning a World
Series. 

Rumor has it, that Job of the Old Testament was
a long-suffering Chicago Cub fan.

It is all adorable - unless you are a lifelong Cub fan. It is harder and harder to love the lovable losers.

I understand we have already been mathematically eliminated for 2013, just to save everyone a lot of effort.  ;)

Donna

PS In the meantime, my White Sox fan husband is being very balanced about the end-of-season choke by his team. They pretty much exceeded expectations this season, and next year is promising.


Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on October 02, 2012, 08:06:37 PM
Congratulations to the Chicago Cubs who lost 100
games this season.  This is the first time they have
lost 100 games since l966.  This is the first year
of their rebuilding program under Theo Epstein.


When hired as manager by Mr. Wrigley prior to the 1966 season, Leo Durocher declared, "This is not an 8th place club."  A true prophet, the Cubs proceeded to come in 10th.

However, in 1967 they came in 3rd, and would be a fine team for several years -- never quite good enough, but those are the lads who are "my" Cubs -- Banks, Santo, Beckert, Kessinger, Pepitone, Williams, Hickman, Popovich, Hundley, Jenkins, Holtzman, Hands, Pappas, Regan, etc.  I still have, and am able to wear, my first fitted baseball cap -- that of the Chicago Cubs of those years.  Which I loved wearing to Chavez Ravine Dodger Stadium...

There's always hope.  It's baseball!

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 04, 2012, 07:40:47 AM
FINAL 2012 REGULAR SEASON STANDINGS

AL West champion:              Oakland A's
AL Central champion:          Detroit Tigers             
AL East champion:               New York Yankees     
AL Wild Card #1 winner:      Texas Rangers       
AL Wild Card #2 winner:      Baltimore Orioles

NL West champion:             San Francisco Giants       
NL Central champion:         Cincinnati Reds   
NL East champion:             Washington Nationals
NL Wild Card #1 winner:     Atlanta Braves               
NL Wild Card #2 winner:     St. Louis Cardinals   

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 04, 2012, 08:46:41 AM
Pastoral Predictions for American League

Detroit defeats Oakland in their series

Texas defeats Baltimore in  wildcard

Texas defeats Yankees in their series

Pitching will decide the series between
Detroit and Texas.  It is a toss-up.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on October 04, 2012, 10:11:17 AM
Pastoral Predictions for American League

Detroit defeats Oakland in their series

Texas defeats Baltimore in  wildcard

Texas defeats Yankees in their series

Pitching will decide the series between
Detroit and Texas.  It is a toss-up.
Seems a little optimistic for the Rangers at this point. They started out the season looking like the AL champions, but ended up looking more like the Astros. Spectacular choke down the stretch, highlighted by Hamilton's two-out fly ball drop that scored two runs.

At least it's football season, and after all we all know which sport rules in Texas...
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on October 04, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Pastoral Predictions for American League

Detroit defeats Oakland in their series

Texas defeats Baltimore in  wildcard

Texas defeats Yankees in their series

Pitching will decide the series between
Detroit and Texas.  It is a toss-up.
Seems a little optimistic for the Rangers at this point. They started out the season looking like the AL champions, but ended up looking more like the Astros. Spectacular choke down the stretch, highlighted by Hamilton's two-out fly ball drop that scored two runs.

At least it's football season, and after all we all know which sport rules in Texas...

After watching the game Monday, I conclude that the ruling sport in Texas is "duck throwing."   ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 04, 2012, 12:50:05 PM
Pastoral Predictions for American League

Detroit defeats Oakland in their series

Texas defeats Baltimore in  wildcard

Texas defeats Yankees in their series

Pitching will decide the series between
Detroit and Texas.  It is a toss-up.
Seems a little optimistic for the Rangers at this point. They started out the season looking like the AL champions, but ended up looking more like the Astros. Spectacular choke down the stretch, highlighted by Hamilton's two-out fly ball drop that scored two runs.

At least it's football season, and after all we all know which sport rules in Texas...

True enough for Friday night lights.

Not so true for the Cowgirls who suck this year and are in a bye week.

If the Rangers pull out of their nose dive and win the wild card play-in and the ALDS against the Yankees who themselves almost spit the bit against Baltimore, then the Cowboys might well struggle to regain fan attention.

But I agree that Pr. Likeness' scenario is pretty optimistic for the Rangers.  At least they'll have the Astros in their division next year to beat up for a few more wins.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 04, 2012, 01:05:27 PM
I'm dreaming of a Bay Bridge series . . .
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 04, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
I'm dreaming of a Bay Bridge series . . .

As long as we leave out the earthquake this time.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 04, 2012, 01:14:39 PM
Well, there is that . . .  :o
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 04, 2012, 01:48:49 PM
Talking about natural rivals for World Series this
year:

1) Baltimore Orioles and Washington Nationals
whose ballparks are only 50 miles apart.

2) Of course the Bay rivals of San Fran and
Oakland

3) Then you got that Michigan/Ohio (in college
football) which transfers to baseball with the
Detroit Tigers and Cincy Reds.

4)  However, you got the Goliath New York
Yankees and their 27 World Series trophies
against everyone else.  This year's David
would be the Washington Nationals.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on October 04, 2012, 01:56:44 PM
If the Nats are David they have plenty of smooth stones that will take out Goliath.  Gio Gonzalez, Jordan Zimmermann, Ross Detwiler, and some flamethrowers in the bullpen, most notably Drew Storen.  I'm excited about the Nats.  I'll really have a hard time when the Nats and Cards hook up because I love both teams.  It's tremendous that the Nats have the best record in the league.  I predicted they would win the Wild Card this year.  Guess I was wrong. 

Jeremy

Go Cards/Nats!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 04, 2012, 01:58:20 PM
4)  However, you got the Goliath New York
Yankees and their 27 World Series trophies
against everyone else.  This year's David
would be the Washington Nationals.

If the Rangers can't make the World Series again -- and it looks doubtful -- then this is the match-up I'd most like.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Voelker on October 04, 2012, 03:07:02 PM
Go A's!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 04, 2012, 03:14:36 PM
Go Cards!  Let's hope for a repeat of 2011 :D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 04, 2012, 03:38:34 PM
Go Cards!  Let's hope for a repeat of 2011 :D

Uh, let's not.

I mean I'm OK with the Cards winning the World Series again. The Cards were the team I rooted for growing up, and I like Matheny loads more than LaRussa.

And the Rangers don't look likely to go to a third World Series.  It would be great for the Cards which have the second-most WS championships to hand defeat to the Yankees which have the most.

But no repeat of 2011, please.  Between the nightmares of Hamilton's error yesterday and its reminder of Freese's HR going over Cruz' head, I do not need a repeat.

My Red Sox fan wife already teases me about my own Game 6.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on October 05, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
    The Cardinals will play the Washington Nationals on Sunday. 

    Who will defeat the Yankees in the AL playoffs?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on October 06, 2012, 10:44:02 AM
The Baltimore Orioles

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 10, 2012, 09:10:31 AM
I'm dreaming of a Bay Bridge series . . .

Well, both Bay area teams held on and won last night despite both having lost their first two games.

We'll see whether they can do the same today and even up their series.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 11, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
I'm dreaming of a Bay Bridge series . . .

Well, both Bay area teams held on and won last night despite both having lost their first two games.

We'll see whether they can do the same today and even up their series.

Mike

Both teams evened up their series yesterday, and the Giants just finished winning their series today by sweeping Cincinnati at home in the last three games after being down two games to none.

We shall see whether the Amazing A's can do the same against the daunting task of beating Verlander tonight.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on October 11, 2012, 06:04:40 PM
Alas, there is no joy in Mudville - the mighty Rolen just struck out.   :'(

To quote They Might Be Giants, If it weren't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointments.

I suppose I will now throw my support to the local teams.  My condolences in advance to fans of the Nationals and the Orioles.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 12, 2012, 08:33:51 PM
The American League Championship Series is set:

The New York Yankees and Detroit Tigers

May the Bronx Bombers win and go on to the
World Series to bring America much joy with
their 28th  World Series Championship banner
and Derek Jeter his 6th W.S. ring.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Weedon on October 13, 2012, 12:19:59 PM
I take it that the Card's bewitching hour victory has reduced folks to silence...
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 13, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
The last 3 teams to win a World Series Trophy
are still in the hunt.

2009......The New York Yankees
2010......The SF Giants
2011......The St. Louis  Cardinals.

So the National League has a chance for a repeat
winner this year with either the Giants or Cards in
the World Series.  The Bronx Bombers carry the
banner for the American League.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on October 13, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
  Go, De-troit!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 13, 2012, 10:42:47 PM
Greatest comeback ever!  I'm still cheering.  Now for a Detroit-St. Louis World Series  :)  -- of course, with the Cardinals winning it all ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on October 14, 2012, 01:08:55 PM
Now for a Detroit-St. Louis World Series  :)  -- of course, with the Cardinals winning it all ;D

Ah, 1968.  The first year I really paid close attention to the World Series!

And, like then, go Tigers!

 ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 15, 2012, 08:07:04 AM
Greatest comeback ever!  I'm still cheering.  Now for a Detroit-St. Louis World Series  :)  -- of course, with the Cardinals winning it all ;D

With the Rangers out, I'm certainly up for this.  Go Tigers and Cards!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 18, 2012, 10:58:43 PM
It is going to be an all Midwest World Series,
with the Detroit Tigers and the St. Louis Cardinals.
Mo-Town against Budwieser Boys is on the menu.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 19, 2012, 08:16:41 AM
It is going to be an all Midwest World Series,
with the Detroit Tigers and the St. Louis Cardinals.
Mo-Town against Budwieser Boys is on the menu.

Well, the Giants aren't out quite yet.  But I'm feelin'; ya.

I really like Verlander and Cabrera.  And I guess I do still harbor a bit of bitterness towards the Cards for last year.  So I'm somewhat pulling for Detroit.

The Cardinals are my childhood team though, and I'll always have a soft spot for them.  So a good competitive seven-game World Series is probably what I'd most enjoy.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 22, 2012, 11:42:48 PM
It is going to be an all Midwest World Series,
with the Detroit Tigers and the St. Louis Cardinals.
Mo-Town against Budwieser Boys is on the menu.

THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 23, 2012, 12:01:51 AM
Congratulations to the SF Giants who beat the
St. Louis Cards in 7 games and were down 3
games to 1.

As a MidWest guy who lived in St. Louis for 3 yrs
I  gotta cheer for the Cardinals.  Yet as a
baseball traditionalist, I do not believe in the
wild card.  The Giants won their division so they
deserved to be in the World Series.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 23, 2012, 12:04:12 PM
The Giants won their division so they deserved to be in the World Series.

The Giants deserve to be in the World Series because they refused to give up and came from behind just as they did against Cincinnati in their NLDS.

And just as St. Louis did repeatedly this year and last year.

It is frustrating and perhaps even feels a bit unfair when the underdog snatches victory from the jaws of defeat.  You don't need to tell me that as I still see St. Louis' win in Game 6 of the 2011 World Series in my nightmares.

But it is exciting as all get out.

My prediction?  The Series goes 7.  The Tigers win 3 of the first 4, relax a bit, and then the Giants win it in 7.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on October 23, 2012, 01:11:28 PM
It is going to be an all Midwest World Series,
with the Detroit Tigers and the St. Louis Cardinals.
Mo-Town against Budwieser Boys is on the menu.

THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! ;D
Well played!  (Since I'm too young to remember it first hand, I did enjoy the M*A*S*H episode which recreated it.)  For me, I resolved this was the least bad outcome, facing 2 unappealing choices:  the team that beat the Phillies in the NLCS 2 years ago, or the team that defeated the Phillies in the NLDS last year (when the Phillies actually made the playoffs  :o).

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 23, 2012, 01:23:35 PM
There is no joy in Mudville  :(

Next year Cardinals!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 23, 2012, 01:37:42 PM
Baseball Comissioner Bud "The Used-Car Salesman"
Selig added the wild cards as a way to make more
money for major league baseball.

If a team wins their division over 162 game schedule,
then they should not have to play "a wild card".
The wild card dilutes the meaning of being a division
champion. Yet last year we saw the Cardinals as a
wild card get hot at the right time and win the World
Series.  I am not against the Cardinals who won fair
and square.  It is simply a matter of a watered down
playoffs with wild cards.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Paul O Malley on October 23, 2012, 02:37:49 PM

My prediction?  The Series goes 7.  The Tigers win 3 of the first 4, relax a bit, and then the Giants win it in 7.

Mike

Projecting a game 5 would have Verlander pitching for Detroit in Detroit.  He is the last guy I would expect to relax with his team up three games to one, the title on the line, and the Hall beckoning.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 23, 2012, 04:36:01 PM

My prediction?  The Series goes 7.  The Tigers win 3 of the first 4, relax a bit, and then the Giants win it in 7.

Mike

Projecting a game 5 would have Verlander pitching for Detroit in Detroit.  He is the last guy I would expect to relax with his team up three games to one, the title on the line, and the Hall beckoning.

And I would not have expected the Giants to have won three straight twice facing elimination against both the Reds and Cardinals.

The NL has the home advantage.  And the Giants have been nigh miraculous this year.

I'll see you after game 5. ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 23, 2012, 04:51:32 PM
For me, I resolved this was the least bad outcome, facing 2 unappealing choices:  the team that beat the Phillies in the NLCS 2 years ago, or the team that defeated the Phillies in the NLDS last year (when the Phillies actually made the playoffs  :o).

I faced a similar unappetizing choice.  The team that beat the Rangers in the World Series 2 years ago or the team that beat the Rangers in the World Series last year.  :-\

Go Tigers!

Go Tigers indeed!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on October 23, 2012, 04:57:58 PM
  Go, De-troit!

They were supposed to go to St. Louis. 

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 23, 2012, 05:21:06 PM
As a life-long New York Yankee fan I will cheer for
the Detroit Tigers in the World Series.  They will
represent the American League well with Cabrera
the Triple Crown winner and Verlander former Cy
Young award winner.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Paul O Malley on October 23, 2012, 05:24:45 PM

My prediction?  The Series goes 7.  The Tigers win 3 of the first 4, relax a bit, and then the Giants win it in 7.

Mike

Projecting a game 5 would have Verlander pitching for Detroit in Detroit.  He is the last guy I would expect to relax with his team up three games to one, the title on the line, and the Hall beckoning.

And I would not have expected the Giants to have won three straight twice facing elimination against both the Reds and Cardinals.

The NL has the home advantage.  And the Giants have been nigh miraculous this year.

I'll see you after game 5. ;)

Mike

I can easily see scenarios which go beyond 5 games based on the fact that the NL team has home field advantage usw.  I just don't see one which includes the Tigers taking three of the first four games.  Verlander's right arm will fall off before that man loses a game 5 in Detroit with his team up three games to one.   
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 25, 2012, 07:41:00 AM
I can easily see scenarios which go beyond 5 games based on the fact that the NL team has home field advantage usw.  I just don't see one which includes the Tigers taking three of the first four games.  Verlander's right arm will fall off before that man loses a game 5 in Detroit with his team up three games to one.   

You'd kind of assume that Verlander's right arm would fall off before he'd allow himself to get bombed and dramatically lose the opening game of the Series.  But I'll give you that they were playing in San Francisco.

If Verlander starts game 4, then that is one of the three wins.  And if he does start game 4 on short rest -- admittedly after long rest and a short outing -- and then starts game 7 or pitches significant innings in game 7, then his arm may fall off. 

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 25, 2012, 09:48:41 AM
Justin Verlander pitched 238 innings during the
regular season this year.  He has now pitched
24 innings so far in the post-season against
Oakland, New York, and SF.  His total of 262
innings makes one think his arm is tired.  He
might be just pitching on fumes at this point.
To even pitch 200 innings you are considered
a work horse.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 25, 2012, 09:53:42 AM
Justin Verlander pitched 238 innings during the
regular season this year.  He has now pitched
24 innings so far in the post-season against
Oakland, New York, and SF.  His total of 262
innings makes one think his arm is tired.  He
might be just pitching on fumes at this point.
To even pitch 200 innings you are considered
a work horse.

Or perhaps Pablo Sandoval just has Justin Verlander's number.  He also played a key part in lighting up Verlander in the All-Star game which earned the NL its home-field advantage.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Paul O Malley on October 25, 2012, 10:06:59 AM
I can easily see scenarios which go beyond 5 games based on the fact that the NL team has home field advantage usw.  I just don't see one which includes the Tigers taking three of the first four games.  Verlander's right arm will fall off before that man loses a game 5 in Detroit with his team up three games to one.   

You'd kind of assume that Verlander's right arm would fall off before he'd allow himself to get bombed and dramatically lose the opening game of the Series.  But I'll give you that they were playing in San Francisco.

If Verlander starts game 4, then that is one of the three wins.  And if he does start game 4 on short rest -- admittedly after long rest and a short outing -- and then starts game 7 or pitches significant innings in game 7, then his arm may fall off. 

Mike

I recall your original prediction included this statement "The Tigers win 3 of the first 4, relax a bit, and then the Giants win it in 7."  That implied a game 5 in Detroit with Detroit up three games to one.  Verlander is scheduled to start a game 5 (should it occur).  Under those conditions I would not expect Verlander to lose and I still don't.  Whether that situation actually comes to pass is another matter. 

I made no assumptions, or predictions, about game 1.  Given Verlander's history of getting over amped when he is well rested (example, 2012 All Star game) and his obsession with his own hitting (despite his known talent for BP home runs, he can't hit major league pitching though he is fair at bunting) I wasn't terribly surprised by his game 1 start.  Zito's RBI single on a no ball, two strike count must have really gotten his goat.   

Your projected three wins for the Tigers will not include a Verlander win with a game 4 start.  Scherzer will start game 4 for Detroit.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 25, 2012, 11:48:44 AM
I recall your original prediction included this statement "The Tigers win 3 of the first 4, relax a bit, and then the Giants win it in 7."  That implied a game 5 in Detroit with Detroit up three games to one.  Verlander is scheduled to start a game 5 (should it occur).  Under those conditions I would not expect Verlander to lose and I still don't.  Whether that situation actually comes to pass is another matter. 

Verlander can lose.  Last night proved it.

Your projected three wins for the Tigers will not include a Verlander win with a game 4 start.  Scherzer will start game 4 for Detroit.

Yeah, but Scherzer's still got some shoulder concerns despite pitching well lately.  To get Verlander available for a potential game 7, Verlander would need to pitch again in game 4 at latest; possibly even game 3.

I intended my prediction as light-hearted banter although I'll admit my "defense" of it may not have seemed so.  I'm thinking this dialogue would sound mush different face-to-face over some Lutheran beverages.

Anyway, I based it on both teams' history in the playoffs this year and not particularly on scheduled starters.  So if Verlander starts game 5, then I think he'll lose (or get a no decision) since the Giants do weel with their backs to the wall.  I do also think that the Tigers are mulling over how they might best have Verlander available to pitch innings in a potential game 7 since he had a short outing last night.  :)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 25, 2012, 11:54:15 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 28, 2012, 11:56:06 PM
WOO-HOO!!!!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 28, 2012, 11:59:40 PM
Congratulations to our California moderator whose
SF Giants swept the toothless Tigers in 4 games.
Perhaps he will get a World Series Ring and attend
the welcome home parade for the Giants.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on October 30, 2012, 11:04:45 AM
My prediction?  The Series goes 7.  The Tigers win 3 of the first 4, relax a bit, and then the Giants win it in 7.

Quite clearly I was wrong.

Congratulations to the San Francisco Giants on their sweep.  At least the Rangers took a game from them in the Series two years ago.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on October 30, 2012, 03:57:18 PM
Can't decide if the way the Giants won makes me feel better or worse about how my Reds blew a two-game lead against them, with the last three games in Cincinnati, and despite throwing a one-hit (through nine) gem in game three.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 30, 2012, 09:40:51 PM
Well, what do you mean "how the Giants won"? They won by getting more runs than the Tigers.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on October 31, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
Well, what do you mean "how the Giants won"? They won by getting more runs than the Tigers.

'Twas meant as a compliment.  The Giants both outpitched and outhit the AL champs, and not only won, but won convincingly.  Makes this Reds fan wonder what might have been if we could've taken advantage of Homer Bailey's game three outing and perhaps landed in the Series ourselves.  I simultaneously feel a little better that the team that beat us ended up winning it all, and worse that it could have been my team hoisting that trophy, but for the lack of one timely hit in the divisional series.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 31, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
One of the axioms of baseball is that good pitching
beats good hitting.  On paper the Tigers had a
good offensive lineup.  But the game is played on
the field and the Giants pitching shut down the
Tigers offense.  The Giants closer Romo makes
their bullpen top-notch.  And the Giants starters
and bullpen pitched 22 straight scoreless innings.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 31, 2012, 03:51:35 PM

'Twas meant as a compliment.

Oh, OK. Wasn't sure!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on December 18, 2012, 08:40:59 AM
Watched the Josh Hamilton news conference on Saturday.  Hamilton has signed a 5-year $125 million deal with the Angels.

He and his wife Katie said that God led them to the Angels and that part of Josh's leaving the Rangers was because the Rangers did not "put a ring on it".

But it seemed obvious that there were relationship problems between the Rangers and Hamilton as they considered a possible "engagement".  Josh just simply seemed to have given up the last couple of months last year; dogging it in the field and striking at virtually everything.

We will probably never know what was going on with Josh and the Rangers.  I, for one, am glad to see him move on, and i do not mean that in a bad way.  He definitely seemed to be unhappy here at the end of the 2012 season.  I am hoping he will be happier and get the support he needs in Anaheim.

Perhaps this will be a good day and change for Josh Hamilton and another bad day for atheists.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on January 10, 2013, 01:30:24 PM
Don't know what kind of day atheists had yesterday, but steroid-using hopefuls for the National Baseball Hall of Fame experienced a pretty horrible day yesterday.

In other news, Lance Armstrong is going to appear on Oprah.  Oh, for the days when sports' biggest concerns regarding substance abuse were booze and spit on a ball.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on January 11, 2013, 11:04:29 AM
Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds will be inducted
into the Hall of Shame this summer.  This is a
special place for steroid cheaters who have made
a mockery of the legitimate records set by Babe
Ruth, Hank Aaron, Roger Maris and others.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on January 11, 2013, 11:47:57 AM
Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds will be inducted
into the Hall of Shame this summer.  This is a
special place for steroid cheaters who have made
a mockery of the legitimate records set by Babe
Ruth, Hank Aaron, Roger Maris and others.

Like!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on January 11, 2013, 02:32:51 PM
Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds will be inducted
into the Hall of Shame this summer.  This is a
special place for steroid cheaters who have made
a mockery of the legitimate records set by Babe
Ruth, Hank Aaron, Roger Maris and others.
Can we consign that blasphemous designated hitter rule to this new Hall of Shame? Pleeeeeese?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on January 11, 2013, 03:58:42 PM
Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds will be inducted
into the Hall of Shame this summer.  This is a
special place for steroid cheaters who have made
a mockery of the legitimate records set by Babe
Ruth, Hank Aaron, Roger Maris and others.
Can we consign that blasphemous designated hitter rule to this new Hall of Shame? Pleeeeeese?

You're just annoyed that after the Disastros gave up on Lance Berkman, he's made his way around to the Rangers where he is now gonna bash their heads in as a DH.  ;)

(I know you're not, but I couldn't resist the jibe.)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on February 22, 2013, 10:22:47 AM
Spring training is full in session with spring training games starting today I think.  Maybe there were one or two before; I'm'not sure.

And the World Baseball Classic is coming up.  With baseball out of the Olympics by mutual consent between MLB and the Olympic Committee, this is the only real opportunity we have to see a true World Series.

Mike
Title: Fantasy Baseball (Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists)
Post by: Voelker on March 05, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
We have had the Fantasy Football League running for some time now...now it's time to add Baseball. If you're interested in joining, send me a message. We can have up to 12 teams; it would be nice if we had at least 6; 8 would be better.

As Commissioner, I will hear requests for particular rules that folks want or don't want activated.

Let's go!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on March 22, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
Congratulations to the Dominican Republic on their win as champions of the 2013 World Baseball Classic.

Now, despite the North American-nature of it all, time to focus on start of the real thing.

Opening Day is just 9 days away!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 01, 2013, 09:21:24 AM
Horrors! What has happened to my Rangers?

Bad enough they stumble out of the gate in a nationally-promoted game to start the MLB season, but to the Astros? :o

Perhaps I was too sedate after Easter rejoicing at services and then consuming mass quantities of ham and Easter candy to root them on properly.  I'm going with that!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on April 01, 2013, 09:46:42 AM
Say it now, Astro fans - "We have the best record in baseball!"

Not really sure what all this talk about "opening day" was about yesterday.  Everyone knows baseball season begins after the annual Findlay Market parade through downtown Cincinnati to Great American Ballpark, where the traditional opening day has been taking place for well over a century.  (Well, not at the GAB all those years, but you get the point.)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on April 01, 2013, 09:54:39 AM
Horrors! What has happened to my Rangers?

Bad enough they stumble out of the gate in a nationally-promoted game to start the MLB season, but to the Astros? :o

Perhaps I was too sedate after Easter rejoicing at services and then consuming mass quantities of ham and Easter candy to root them on properly.  I'm going with that!

Mike
The Astros are leading their division! :o
I will enjoy this until Tuesday, when it will all end. Seriously, they are fielding a really strong AAA team this season. They won't be competitive in the American League, not to mention in the far superior National League from which they were exiled. Another 100+ loss season looms on the horizon, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on April 01, 2013, 10:00:05 AM
Bud "The Used Car Salesman" Selig chose the
Houston Astros for the American League because
he wanted the Chicago Cubs to be the worse team
in the National League all by themselves.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on April 01, 2013, 10:26:29 AM
The Astros are leading their division! :o
I will enjoy this until Tuesday, when it will all end. Seriously, they are fielding a really strong AAA team this season. They won't be competitive in the American League, not to mention in the far superior National League from which they were exiled. Another 100+ loss season looms on the horizon, I'm afraid.

Hey,  just so the Rangers don't lose too much ground, I'll pull for the rest of the AL West to split or lose over the next couple of days.  ;)

That'll extend the Astros lead of the division -- albeit by tie -- for one more day.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on April 13, 2013, 12:22:54 PM
After 10 games, the two hottest teams in  MLB
are the Oakland A's  with an 8-2 record to lead
the AL West and the Atlanta Braves with a 9-1
record to lead the NL East.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 29, 2013, 10:04:00 AM
MLB Standings a day after Memorial Day

AL West Leader      Texas Rangers
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox

NL West Leader      Arizona Diamondbacks
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on May 30, 2013, 09:21:08 AM
In the American League, M.Cabrera of Detroit is
trying to win the Triple Crown again.  He is hot
with a .368 B.A. , 59 RBI'S and 15 HR'S.  His big
challenger is C. Davis of Baltimore with .359 B.A.
50 RBI's and 19 HR's.  At the current time they
are the two best offensive players in MLB.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on May 30, 2013, 10:14:08 PM
The baseball season is now heading toward its zenith.  The Mets have swept the Yankees, twice in Queens and twice in the Bronx.  Tonite as the Yankee fans headed for the exit in the 9th, "Let's Go Mets" cheers filled the House that Ruth Built.

Next - the All-Star game at Citi Field - Amazing!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on May 31, 2013, 09:15:31 AM
The baseball season is now heading toward its zenith.  The Mets have swept the Yankees, twice in Queens and twice in the Bronx.  Tonite as the Yankee fans headed for the exit in the 9th, "Let's Go Mets" cheers filled the House that Ruth Built.

Next - the All-Star game at Citi Field - Amazing!

Dave Benke

The Mets should definitely take time and savor the Yankees sweep and enjoy hosting the All-Star game because it looks like that may be all they get this season. Even breaking .500 looks questionable at this point.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on May 31, 2013, 02:50:38 PM
The baseball season is now heading toward its zenith.  The Mets have swept the Yankees, twice in Queens and twice in the Bronx.  Tonite as the Yankee fans headed for the exit in the 9th, "Let's Go Mets" cheers filled the House that Ruth Built.

Next - the All-Star game at Citi Field - Amazing!

Dave Benke

The Mets should definitely take time and savor the Yankees sweep and enjoy hosting the All-Star game because it looks like that may be all they get this season. Even breaking .500 looks questionable at this point.

Mike

No doubt.  Mets-Yankees is a big thing out here.  Very big.  Big enough to split up families and neighborhoods.  And the talk show jocks today unanimously said this sweep was the best thing the Mets have done in the last seven years.  And they also said outside of the All-Star Game, it would have to be enough for Mets fans.  Because they will finish the season in fourth place in their division, which would be - nowhere.  That's all OK now - because we have NYC Bragging Rights for an entire year. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on May 31, 2013, 03:01:39 PM
With 27 World Series Championship Banners,
the New York Yankees have bragging rights for
almost a century.  The other real New Yorkers
went on to become the L.A. Dodgers and the
San Fran Giants.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 17, 2013, 09:44:17 AM
As the slumping Texas Rangers get set to host the surging (and now first-place) Oakland A's...

AL West Leader      Oakland A's
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox

NL West Leader      Arizona Diamondbacks
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 17, 2013, 10:15:17 AM
Look for a World Series between the St. Louis
Cardinals and the Detroit Tigers.   Both of them
have the pitching staff and the offensive firepower
to make it a Fall Classic.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on June 28, 2013, 11:57:26 AM
MLB Standings as we approach the mathematical mid-point - 81 games -- of the season.

AL West Leader      Texas Rangers
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox

NL West Leader      Arizona Diamondbacks
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals
                             Pittsburgh Pirates
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves

Go Pirates!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on June 28, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
The baseball season is now heading toward its zenith.  The Mets have swept the Yankees, twice in Queens and twice in the Bronx.  Tonite as the Yankee fans headed for the exit in the 9th, "Let's Go Mets" cheers filled the House that Ruth Built.

Next - the All-Star game at Citi Field - Amazing!

Dave Benke


Dr. B +...
Are we now in an alternate universe? 
Has anyone reached out to Stephen Bouman  who, I am sure, is in some pain.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 29, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
Cabrera of the Detroit Tigers is aiming for another
Triple Crown this season.

He has a .377 BA, with 81 RBI's and 24 HR's.

Davis of the Baltimore Orioles is his closest
competition with a .333 BA, 74 RBI's and 28 HR's.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 08, 2013, 10:23:13 AM
Next - the All-Star game at Citi Field - Amazing!

2013 All-Star Game Team Rosters

American League

Starters
C: Joe Mauer, Twins
1B: Chris Davis, Orioles
2B: Robinson Cano, Yankees
SS: J.J. Hardy, Orioles
3B: Miguel Cabrera, Tigers
OF: Mike Trout, Angels
OF: Adam Jones, Orioles
OF: Jose Bautista, Blue Jays
DH: David Ortiz, Red Sox

Pitchers
RHP: Clay Buchholz *, Red Sox
LHP: Brett Cecil, Blue Jays
RHP: Bartolo Colon @, A's
RHP: Jesse Crain *, White Sox
RHP: Yu Darvish, Rangers
RHP: Felix Hernandez, Mariners
RHP: Hisashi Iwakuma, Mariners
RHP: Justin Masterson, Indians
RHP: Joe Nathan, Rangers
LHP: Glen Perkins @, Twins
RHP: Mariano Rivera, Yankees
LHP: Chris Sale, White Sox
RHP: Max Scherzer, Tigers
RHP: Justin Verlander, Tigers

Reserves
C: Jason Castro, Astros
C: Salvador Perez, Royals
1B: Prince Fielder, Tigers
2B: Jason Kipnis, Indians
2B: Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
2B: Ben Zobrist, Rays
SS: Jhonny Peralta: Tigers
3B: Manny Machado, Orioles
OF: Nelson Cruz, Rangers
OF: Alex Gordon, Royals
OF: Torii Hunter, Tigers
DH: Edwin Encarnacion, Blue Jays

 
National League

Starters
C: Yadier Molina, Cardinals
1B: Joey Votto, Reds
2B: Brandon Phillips, Reds
SS: Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies
3B: David Wright, Mets
OF: Carlos Beltran, Cardinals
OF: Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies
OF: Bryce Harper, Nationals

Pitchers
LHP: Madison Bumgarner, Giants
LHP: Aroldis Chapman, Reds
LHP: Patrick Corbin, D-backs
RHP: Jose Fernandez, Marlins
RHP: Jason Grilli, Pirates
RHP: Matt Harvey, Mets
LHP: Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
RHP: Craig Kimbrel, Braves
LHP: Cliff Lee, Phillies
LHP: Jeff Locke, Pirates
RHP: Adam Wainwright, Cardinals
LHP: Travis Wood, Cubs
RHP: Jordan Zimmermann, Nationals

Reserves
C: Buster Posey, Giants
1B: Paul Goldschmidt, D-backs
1B: Allen Craig, Cardinals
2B: Matt Carpenter, Cardinals
2B: Marco Scutaro, Giants
SS: Everth Cabrera, Padres
SS: Jean Segura, Brewers
3B: Pedro Alvarez, Pirates
OF: Domonic Brown, Phillies
OF: Michael Cuddyer, Rockies
OF: Carlos Gomez, Brewers
OF: Andrew McCutchen, Pirates

NOTES
* Chosen on Player Ballot, injured
@ Injury replacement

Source: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130706&content_id=52391804

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Luke Zimmerman on July 08, 2013, 10:31:52 AM
My Milwaukee Brewers are absolutely dreadful this year, even losing 2 out of 3 to Bp. Benke's beloved NY Mets over the weekend. But they got two players (Jean Segura and Carlos Gomez) named to the NL All Star team.

It's back to the vintage 1995-2005 type performances this season: lousy team record, but a couple of solid player performances.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Rev. Matthew Uttenreither on July 08, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
3 Orioles in the starting lineup with one reserve.  It will be fun watching the All Star Game.  Crush Davis, baby!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on July 10, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
Just learned in a profile piece on the play-by-play man for Minnesota Twins Dick Bremer hails from Dumont, Mn (west of Alexandria near the South Dakota state line. His father was/is a Lutheran pastor.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/214699071.html

Does anyone here know of a Pastor Bremer, father of the lauded announcer? LCMS or ELCA?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on July 15, 2013, 08:13:46 AM
MLB Standings at the All-Star break..

AL West Leader      Oakland A's
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox
Wild Card #1           Tampa Bay Rays
Wild Card #2           Texas Rangers

NL West Leader      Arizona Diamondbacks
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves
Wild Card #1           Pittsburgh Pirates
Wild Card #2           Cincinnati Reds

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Rev. Matthew Uttenreither on July 15, 2013, 11:21:34 AM
Just learned in a profile piece on the play-by-play man for Minnesota Twins Dick Bremer hails from Dumont, Mn (west of Alexandria near the South Dakota state line. His father was/is a Lutheran pastor.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/214699071.html

Does anyone here know of a Pastor Bremer, father of the lauded announcer? LCMS or ELCA?

LCMS.  I was placed there right out of seminary.  Pr. Bohler was there for a few years prior to my placement.  The congregation closed.  It was down to about 20 or so in attendance.  Dumont was a town of 100 back in 02.  The Catholic Church also closed.  You had to drive 20+ miles to get to a small grocery store and if you wanted to go to a Target, well the family and I would make Target/Walmart runs when I had to go on a hospital call in Alexandria or Fergus Falls which was  over an hour away.  Some wonderful people.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on July 15, 2013, 11:44:08 AM
Just learned in a profile piece on the play-by-play man for Minnesota Twins Dick Bremer hails from Dumont, Mn (west of Alexandria near the South Dakota state line. His father was/is a Lutheran pastor.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/214699071.html

Does anyone here know of a Pastor Bremer, father of the lauded announcer? LCMS or ELCA?

LCMS.  I was placed there right out of seminary.  Pr. Bohler was there for a few years prior to my placement.  The congregation closed.  It was down to about 20 or so in attendance.  Dumont was a town of 100 back in 02.  The Catholic Church also closed.  You had to drive 20+ miles to get to a small grocery store and if you wanted to go to a Target, well the family and I would make Target/Walmart runs when I had to go on a hospital call in Alexandria or Fergus Falls which was  over an hour away.  Some wonderful people.

As Rev. Uttenreither says, Dumont is a small place.  But WONDERFUL folks.  Dick Bremer speaks of Dumont often during ball games, always with great fondness.  I remember when the church had its centennial celebration, we invited the past pastors and families to come.  Dick Bremer made the trip and spoke of how his dad always told him to play catch down on the ball diamond (the city's field was directly behind the church and parsonage -- the team's name was the Saints).  But Dick did not listen.  And he broke one of the stained glass windows.  His father paid to have it replaced.  When the church closed back in 2002, Dick Bremer bought that window in auction.  He still had, I believe, relatives just to the north (Nashua or Tenney MN, I think it was).

Tom Kelly (former Twins manager during their World Series days) was born about 10 miles south of Dumont, in Graceville MN.  But his family moved away shortly thereafter.  That is baseball territory!

The Dumont congregation was a dual parish with Monson Township congregation when I served there.  That church is still going strong.  Another great place.  I miss those folks!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: FatherWilliam57 on July 15, 2013, 06:15:48 PM
Looking forward to the Homerun Derby now that Pedro Alvarez is going to participate.  (Have to admit, I was one of the "boo birds" at Saturday night's Mets/Pirates game every time David Wright came to bat.  Four at bats and no hits!  Only got on base due to a fielder's choice.  Happy happy, joy joy!)  And five Pirates made the NL roster, most since 1972.  There is light at the end of the tunnel following our long, dark night of the sandlot soul (20 losing seasons)...
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on July 15, 2013, 06:31:42 PM
Just learned in a profile piece on the play-by-play man for Minnesota Twins Dick Bremer hails from Dumont, Mn (west of Alexandria near the South Dakota state line. His father was/is a Lutheran pastor.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/214699071.html

Does anyone here know of a Pastor Bremer, father of the lauded announcer? LCMS or ELCA?

LCMS.  I was placed there right out of seminary.  Pr. Bohler was there for a few years prior to my placement.  The congregation closed.  It was down to about 20 or so in attendance.  Dumont was a town of 100 back in 02.  The Catholic Church also closed.  You had to drive 20+ miles to get to a small grocery store and if you wanted to go to a Target, well the family and I would make Target/Walmart runs when I had to go on a hospital call in Alexandria or Fergus Falls which was  over an hour away.  Some wonderful people.

Good to know this. Appreciate it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Rev. Matthew Uttenreither on July 15, 2013, 11:34:13 PM
Just learned in a profile piece on the play-by-play man for Minnesota Twins Dick Bremer hails from Dumont, Mn (west of Alexandria near the South Dakota state line. His father was/is a Lutheran pastor.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/214699071.html

Does anyone here know of a Pastor Bremer, father of the lauded announcer? LCMS or ELCA?

LCMS.  I was placed there right out of seminary.  Pr. Bohler was there for a few years prior to my placement.  The congregation closed.  It was down to about 20 or so in attendance.  Dumont was a town of 100 back in 02.  The Catholic Church also closed.  You had to drive 20+ miles to get to a small grocery store and if you wanted to go to a Target, well the family and I would make Target/Walmart runs when I had to go on a hospital call in Alexandria or Fergus Falls which was  over an hour away.  Some wonderful people.

As Rev. Uttenreither says, Dumont is a small place.  But WONDERFUL folks.  Dick Bremer speaks of Dumont often during ball games, always with great fondness.  I remember when the church had its centennial celebration, we invited the past pastors and families to come.  Dick Bremer made the trip and spoke of how his dad always told him to play catch down on the ball diamond (the city's field was directly behind the church and parsonage -- the team's name was the Saints).  But Dick did not listen.  And he broke one of the stained glass windows.  His father paid to have it replaced.  When the church closed back in 2002, Dick Bremer bought that window in auction.  He still had, I believe, relatives just to the north (Nashua or Tenney MN, I think it was).

Tom Kelly (former Twins manager during their World Series days) was born about 10 miles south of Dumont, in Graceville MN.  But his family moved away shortly thereafter.  That is baseball territory!

The Dumont congregation was a dual parish with Monson Township congregation when I served there.  That church is still going strong.  Another great place.  I miss those folks!

That area is baseball territory.  You couldn't go to a nursing home without finding a Twins game on t.v.  I miss the days when you go to a shut-in, give the Lord's gifts and sit and watch an inning or two before going on to the next visit and then watching the 8th or 9th inning before giving the Lord's gifts. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 16, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Good story - I have a young parishioner, recent convert baptized last year, named Mike Sansarran.  Mike went to Fordham, graduated this spring with a major in sports management, but only wants to do one thing eventually - be the general manager of the Yankees. 

I indicated that is a pretty long shot, but Mikey just kept on, and actually convinced Fordham to invent the sports management major.  He then went to MLB, which is headquartered in Manhattan, and got an internship at the MLB Fan Cave, which migrated to some opportunities in MLB, and now he works full-time for MLB in the area of national development of inner urban baseball camps and diversity resourcing.  Anyway, he calls his boss Frank.  As in Frank Robinson. 

So when we went to the Futures Game, there was Mike, in the USA dugout.  And there was Mike last night at the Home Run Derby, getting us into one of the clubs for some better cuisine. 

Mike is of East Indian heritage from the South American country of Guyana.  He may never throw a big league pitch or hit a ball, but he's a major leaguer all the way!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 21, 2013, 06:17:03 PM
Mike Sansarran  has a lofty goal.  The
current GM Brian Cashman has been with
the Yankees for almost two decades. The
day will come when he retires and the
Bronx Bombers will need new blood.

If Mike knows Frank Robinson, then he
might have a better chance as Orioles GM
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 05, 2013, 12:08:55 PM
MLB Standings as of August 5 beforethe mass Biogenesis suspensions are laid down.

Things could look quite different in a month.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox
Wild Card #1           Tampa Bay Rays
Wild Card #2           Cleveland Indians

NL West Leader      LA Dodgers
NL Central Leader   Pittsburgh Pirates
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves
Wild Card #1           St. Louis Cardinals
Wild Card #2           Cincinnati Reds

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on August 05, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
MLB Standings as of August 5 beforethe mass Biogenesis suspensions are laid down.

Things could look quite different in a month.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox
Wild Card #1           Tampa Bay Rays
Wild Card #2           Cleveland Indians

NL West Leader      LA Dodgers
NL Central Leader   Pittsburgh Pirates
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves
Wild Card #1           St. Louis Cardinals
Wild Card #2           Cincinnati Reds

Mike

I wouldn't be so sure about that, Mike. Only 4 of the players hit were currently active at the Major League level, and of them, only 2 (Jhonny Peralta - DET and Nelson Cruz - TEX) were on contenders.

Bud Selig forgot to suspend himself...

Best analysis I've read on this whole sad episode has been from Joe Sheehan (@joe_sheehan (https://twitter.com/joe_sheehan) & via his OUTSTANDING newsletter (http://joesheehanbaseball.blogspot.com/) - if you don't already subscribe, you should!).
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 06, 2013, 08:31:32 AM
MLB Standings as of August 5 beforethe mass Biogenesis suspensions are laid down.

Things could look quite different in a month.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox
Wild Card #1           Tampa Bay Rays
Wild Card #2           Cleveland Indians

NL West Leader      LA Dodgers
NL Central Leader   Pittsburgh Pirates
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves
Wild Card #1           St. Louis Cardinals
Wild Card #2           Cincinnati Reds

Mike

I wouldn't be so sure about that, Mike. Only 4 of the players hit were currently active at the Major League level, and of them, only 2 (Jhonny Peralta - DET and Nelson Cruz - TEX) were on contenders.

Counting the Yankees out already?   ;)  They are only 4.5 games out of a wild-card spot.

Even apart from ARod,  who is a lost cause and they really don't want all that much anyway, Francisco Cervelli and Fernando Martinez were suspended.  Yeah, Martinez was in the minors, but September callups aren't that far away.

The Yankees had an outside shot.  Now, they'll likely be cast in the role of spoiler.  And they may be willing to deal over the waiver wire now.

Those on contending teams may also note that MLB is getting really serious now, and if they are using, they may stop.

You also have to realize I am a Rangers fan.  :D   One who believes that Cruz got what he deserved but is upset about the damage it could do to the team's chances.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on August 06, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
In the last month we have see 14
 MLB players suspended for PED's.
Cheating gives our national past-time
a black-eye and tarnishes the legit
records of Roger Maris and Hank Aaron.

Bonds, Sosa. McGwire, and A-Rod
deserve to have their stats expunged
from the record books.  These cheaters
belong in the Hall of Shame.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on August 06, 2013, 02:05:30 PM
MLB Standings as of August 5 beforethe mass Biogenesis suspensions are laid down.

Things could look quite different in a month.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers
AL East Leader       Boston Red Sox
Wild Card #1           Tampa Bay Rays
Wild Card #2           Cleveland Indians

NL West Leader      LA Dodgers
NL Central Leader   Pittsburgh Pirates
NL East Leader       Atlanta Braves
Wild Card #1           St. Louis Cardinals
Wild Card #2           Cincinnati Reds

Mike

I wouldn't be so sure about that, Mike. Only 4 of the players hit were currently active at the Major League level, and of them, only 2 (Jhonny Peralta - DET and Nelson Cruz - TEX) were on contenders.

Counting the Yankees out already?   ;)  They are only 4.5 games out of a wild-card spot.

Even apart from ARod,  who is a lost cause and they really don't want all that much anyway, Francisco Cervelli and Fernando Martinez were suspended.  Yeah, Martinez was in the minors, but September callups aren't that far away.

The Yankees had an outside shot.  Now, they'll likely be cast in the role of spoiler.  And they may be willing to deal over the waiver wire now.

Those on contending teams may also note that MLB is getting really serious now, and if they are using, they may stop.

You also have to realize I am a Rangers fan.  :D   One who believes that Cruz got what he deserved but is upset about the damage it could do to the team's chances.

Mike

Sheehan's been a bit of a contrarian on this, in that rather than this really being about MLB "getting tough" on PEDs (esp. wrt ARod), it's more of an exercise in Kabuki-like distraction by a commissioner who has done more damage to the best interests of the game in his desire to control & put the players back in their place (i.e., anti-union), going all the way back to his (pre-commish) collusion to cheat & save money in the late '80's, followed by his first big thing as commish - the canceling of the '94 WS.

IOW, Selig's MLB has never been about "getting rid of those nasty, cheaters who use PEDs & ruin the integrity of the game!" Nope, he and his MLB have been about nothing but the $$$. That's why he tolerated McGwire/Sosa/Bonds & the HR boom (and the stadium building boom that the game's resurgence brought along with it), and that's why he started grandstanding when public opinion (and their $$$) started to turn against PEDs (plus, it gave him another opportunity to stick it to the players & their union).

The really interesting thing about this latest salvo (800+ games in suspensions), is that it hit the minors more than the majors and, looking at the nationalities of the players involved (esp. in the minors), it hits Latinos WAY harder than anyone else:

Dominican Republic: 19
United States: 11
Venezuela: 7
Cuba: 3
Nicaragua: 1
Japan: 1
Puerto Rico: 1
Panama: 1

Frankly, I don't buy it. It's not my basic cynicism working against me this time; rather, it's my informed cynicism against Selig.

Last comment on the PED thing...  Pr. Likeness - on one hand, I agree w/you; however, after hearing all sides of the argument (ad nauseum) over the years, I've come to the point where even though I have an extreme dislike for someone like Barry Bonds, and an extreme admiration for someone like Hank Aaron, I wouldn't expunge or alter the record books in any way. The stats were generated playing a similar game (not the same, as there were different "eras" with different equipment levels/quality, training advances, competition levels, season lengths, and coaching strategies). In addition to the differences I just listed, there have also been differences in the ways that players cheated to try and gain an advantage. We now know that many players in the '60's & '70's were taking their own form of PEDs - speed/amphetamines. It may have looked/felt "purer", but how much of that is b/c of nostalgic hindsight? We'll never really know.


Mike: If you want to see why I repeated Sheehan's statement that the suspensions won't really change any outcomes for the Aug 1 standings, give the Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds Report (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/) a look-see (if you already haven't). As a Rangers fan you might not like it too much, although that is the one division (AL West) where it looks like someone will have to win, and one team isn't running away with it according to BP's PECOTA statistical modeling engine (which, for the non-sports and/or political fans out there, was very heavily influenced/developed by Nate Silver, who got started at BP before leaving for the NYT to take on politics w/his stats-based modeling, and who is now going back to sports at ESPN...).

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 06, 2013, 02:42:06 PM
As a guy who lives and works in a latino barrio with Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Venezuelans and Colombians, there is indeed a harder smackdown in that part of the world of baseball.  The word on the street here is that it has always been easier in the far-flung zones down there to acquire the enhancement drugs.  Of course it's not the acquiring that's the final problem, but the testing/disclosure process.  Plus baseball being what it is culturally, the way to a real future is perceived to be hitting and fielding that ball, and there's an ocean of talent from people who play fifteen hours a day every day.

On the other hand, Pujols and a hundred other stars are NOT involved, and a lot of the involvement is in the marginal/minor league zone. 

I too do not feel that the suspensions are going to affect the standings in any dramatic way.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on August 06, 2013, 03:02:51 PM

I too do not feel that the suspensions are going to affect the standings in any dramatic way.

Dave Benke

Well, the Mets are still, y'know, the Mets...  ;)

Team   Win   Loss   Playoff %   
NY Mets     49    60     0.5%

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 06, 2013, 03:32:01 PM

I too do not feel that the suspensions are going to affect the standings in any dramatic way.

Dave Benke

Well, the Mets are still, y'know, the Mets...  ;)

Team   Win   Loss   Playoff %   
NY Mets     49    60     0.5%

And now for the only statistics that count this year for the Let's Go's:

Mets  versus Yankees, wins:   Mets 4      Yankees 0

All-Star Games held at Citi Field:      1
Home Run Derbys held at Citi Field:  1

Unanimous booing of Yankees and Phillies at All-Star Game:         2

Unanimous standing ovation for Mariano Rivera at All-Star Game:  1

So we know who we are and who we hate, but we love the game enough to put that aside for Mariano.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on August 06, 2013, 03:36:28 PM

I too do not feel that the suspensions are going to affect the standings in any dramatic way.

Dave Benke

Well, the Mets are still, y'know, the Mets...  ;)

Team   Win   Loss   Playoff %   
NY Mets     49    60     0.5%

And now for the only statistics that count this year for the Let's Go's:

Mets  versus Yankees, wins:   Mets 4      Yankees 0

All-Star Games held at Citi Field:      1
Home Run Derbys held at Citi Field:  1

Unanimous booing of Yankees and Phillies at All-Star Game:         2

Unanimous standing ovation for Mariano Rivera at All-Star Game:  1

So we know who we are and who we hate, but we love the game enough to put that aside for Mariano.

Dave Benke

And this is what makes baseball great! :)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on August 07, 2013, 08:43:15 AM
Mike: If you want to see why I repeated Sheehan's statement that the suspensions won't really change any outcomes for the Aug 1 standings, give the Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds Report (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/) a look-see (if you already haven't). As a Rangers fan you might not like it too much, although that is the one division (AL West) where it looks like someone will have to win, and one team isn't running away with it according to BP's PECOTA statistical modeling engine (which, for the non-sports and/or political fans out there, was very heavily influenced/developed by Nate Silver, who got started at BP before leaving for the NYT to take on politics w/his stats-based modeling, and who is now going back to sports at ESPN...).

I'm not too disappointed with a 75% chance the Rangers will make the playoffs especially with them now having a fair hold on the second wild-card spot over Cleveland and being only one game behind Oakland for the AL West division lead.

If they don't make it because Cruz was suspended, then that is understandable.  However, it certainly looks like they are not going to just roll over though despite the suspension.

And yeah, looking at the players involved, I doubt the NL will be affected much.  But where I thought Texas might make a solid run for the playoffs before, I now expect them to bob in and out of eligibility.  And while just like Texas, Detroit does not show to be affected yet by the loss of Peralta, I would expect it to have some effect.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on August 07, 2013, 09:42:01 AM
Mike: If you want to see why I repeated Sheehan's statement that the suspensions won't really change any outcomes for the Aug 1 standings, give the Baseball Prospectus Playoff Odds Report (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/) a look-see (if you already haven't). As a Rangers fan you might not like it too much, although that is the one division (AL West) where it looks like someone will have to win, and one team isn't running away with it according to BP's PECOTA statistical modeling engine (which, for the non-sports and/or political fans out there, was very heavily influenced/developed by Nate Silver, who got started at BP before leaving for the NYT to take on politics w/his stats-based modeling, and who is now going back to sports at ESPN...).

I'm not too disappointed with a 75% chance the Rangers will make the playoffs especially with them now having a fair hold on the second wild-card spot over Cleveland and being only one game behind Oakland for the AL West division lead.

If they don't make it because Cruz was suspended, then that is understandable.  However, it certainly looks like they are not going to just roll over though despite the suspension.

And yeah, looking at the players involved, I doubt the NL will be affected much.  But where I thought Texas might make a solid run for the playoffs before, I now expect them to bob in and out of eligibility.  And while just like Texas, Detroit does not show to be affected yet by the loss of Peralta, I would expect it to have some effect.

Mike

Agreed. One point re: Detroit - in anticipation of Peralta's takedown, they traded for Jose Iglesias, so I think they're reasonably safeguarded against being hurt by this. Which makes me happy!

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on August 07, 2013, 09:49:33 AM
Bishop, lest you forget...Matt Harvey! Good times are coming to Flushing! As the speakers played at Citi while Harvey warmed up at ASG, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyq0Sk-I0Ck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyq0Sk-I0Ck)

Re: PEDs and A-Roid specifically, I'd love to see the guy hit 13 HRs the rest of the season. If he does that he passes Willie Mays and gets an extra $6M from the Steinbrenner's for reaching a milestone, which they arrogantly wrote into his extension. 

BTW, I was nauseous over the Rivera thing at All Star Game. I think because Fox focused entirely on Mo the whole night like it was his home stadium that by the time Enter Sandman happened I had had enough.  My brother who was at Citi Field that night said he didn't mind it.  So I'll chalk it up to horrendous coverage by Joe and Tim.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on August 07, 2013, 11:47:16 AM
Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer
in the history of MLB.  He holds the
record for career saves.  With his 5
World Series Championship rings he
is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

However, the most important thing
about Rivera is his strong Christian
faith.  He has been a great witness
to the Lord. He has been a humble
servant for Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 10, 2013, 08:28:51 AM
Bishop, lest you forget...Matt Harvey! Good times are coming to Flushing! As the speakers played at Citi while Harvey warmed up at ASG, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyq0Sk-I0Ck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyq0Sk-I0Ck)

Re: PEDs and A-Roid specifically, I'd love to see the guy hit 13 HRs the rest of the season. If he does that he passes Willie Mays and gets an extra $6M from the Steinbrenner's for reaching a milestone, which they arrogantly wrote into his extension. 

BTW, I was nauseous over the Rivera thing at All Star Game. I think because Fox focused entirely on Mo the whole night like it was his home stadium that by the time Enter Sandman happened I had had enough.  My brother who was at Citi Field that night said he didn't mind it.  So I'll chalk it up to horrendous coverage by Joe and Tim.

M. Staneck

Being with your brother and you and the family recently, we did opine that the TV people had no clue about what it meant to have the All-Star game at Citi Field in terms of the team that plays there, the Mets.  They had some kind of New York thing going on, where we all get along and love our teams and all the players the same.  Really?  The great moments at the All Star game had to do with the entire Mets congregation being in attendance and unanimously booing anyone from the Phillies or the Yankees, with the exception of Mariano, who got appropriate respect, even as we the Mets congregation in assembly, wished he would do what he's been doing lately, blow the save.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Henrickson on August 11, 2013, 12:30:27 AM
Dave Benke, I just saw in the news Saturday that Johnny Logan died. He must have been one of your early baseball heroes on those 1950s Milwaukee Braves teams. BTW, did you know Jim Voelz back in the day? You two are contemporaries, from the same town, and I know he was a big Braves' fan.

Me, I grew up a Cubs' fan, living on the north side of Chicago, about three miles from Wrigley Field. My childhood heroes in the '60s were Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Glenn Beckert, Fergie Jenkins, and the rest of those guys.  In football, we had Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers. In hockey, Bobby Hull and Stan Mikita. Those were the days.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on August 11, 2013, 06:42:51 AM
Dave Benke, I just saw in the news Saturday that Johnny Logan died. He must have been one of your early baseball heroes on those 1950s Milwaukee Braves teams. BTW, did you know Jim Voelz back in the day? You two are contemporaries, from the same town, and I know he was a big Braves' fan.

Me, I grew up a Cubs' fan, living on the north side of Chicago, about three miles from Wrigley Field. My childhood heroes in the '60s were Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Glenn Beckert, Fergie Jenkins, and the rest of those guys.  In football, we had Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers. In hockey, Bobby Hull and Stan Mikita. Those were the days.

They were the days indeed.  Johnny Logan was our shortstop.  The Lutheran on the team was Andy Pafko, who was famous for his sliding catches.  On my block on the north side of Milwaukee, most everybody put Eddie Matthews in the #1 spot, but my guy was Hank Aaron.  I have all the Topps baseball cards from 1956 in a box somewhere, earned the hard way, by chewing through incredible wads of bubble gum on penny or nickel purchases.  Jim V was a year ahead of me, coming to Concordia Milwaukee in Jr. College.  I was a six year guy.  He was a fine tennis player (and ping pong); I was hoops and golf.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on August 11, 2013, 04:24:37 PM
I think that Harvey Kuehn of the Tigers was another famous Lutheran of the time.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: JoeEckman on August 11, 2013, 06:51:14 PM
Of a later era, but let's not forget brothers Paul and Rich Reuschel, Lutheran Farm Boys from Central Illinois. Another brother, Dennis taught high school and coached golf.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on August 11, 2013, 07:26:52 PM

Another fine Lutheran baseball player
was Don Mueller.  He played with the
New York Giants and was on their World
Series Championship  team in 1954.
Mueller was born in St. Louis and was
a right fielder and good hitter.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Keith Falk on August 11, 2013, 07:46:48 PM
As was Bibb Falk (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/falkbi01.shtml), who is one of the few managers in MLB to be undefeated (his record is the same as mine as a head basketball coach:  1-0!)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: JoeEckman on August 11, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
From Wikipedia, (for what it is worth) : William Adolf Wambsganss (March 19, 1894 – December 8, 1985) was a second baseman in Major League Baseball. From 1914 through 1926, Wambsganss played for the Cleveland Indians, Boston Red Sox, and Philadelphia Athletics. He is best remembered for making one of the most spectacular defensive plays in World Series history, an unassisted triple play.... and The gymnasium at Concordia Theological Seminary is named in honor of him.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wambsganss

BTW, I don't usually post here, but as  a Pirates fan in mid-August, I am giddy, confused and unsure about my surroundings.  Still life is good.

 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on August 12, 2013, 10:07:19 AM
Joe: That's how I felt last year as an Orioles fan.  Looking at the standings I half expected to see that Jim Palmer had pitched a two hitter, Brooks Robinson saved the game with a diving catch to his right and Earl Weaver was thrown out in the 6th inning for kicking dirt on the umpire's shoes.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on August 12, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
Wambsganss.  Interesting.  Does anyone know how he was connected to the Indiana Seminary?  Was he a donor and so the building was named for him?  Something else?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on August 12, 2013, 12:21:58 PM
Wambsganss.  Interesting.  Does anyone know how he was connected to the Indiana Seminary?  Was he a donor and so the building was named for him?  Something else?

According to his bio (http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/420628e7) at the Society for American Baseball Research, Bill Wambsganss attended Concordia College in Fort Wayne, originally with the intention of following his father's footsteps into the ministry.  There's more about Wamby at the Cleveland Sports Vault (http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-indians/5-indians-archive/10962-cleveland-sports-vault-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-bill-wambsganss-see).

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on August 12, 2013, 01:40:34 PM
His name would fill the back of a modern jersey.  My favorite long name currently is Saltalamacchia.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on August 12, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
His name would fill the back of a modern jersey.  My favorite long name currently is Saltalamacchia.

My all-time favorite was John Wockenfuss (DET '74-'83 & PHI '84-'85) - got a BP HR ball of his while sitting in the Tiger Stadium LF lower deck (what a great place to watch a ballgame - you can have all your other stadia, for my money, Tiger Stadium was, and always will be, the very best!)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Luke Zimmerman on August 13, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
If you want talk famous Lutheran baseball players, I suggest that there may have been none better than Max Carey. (Since Carey is a former Pirate, JoeEckman will appreciate that name.)

If one is going to leave seminary to pursue a baseball career, then making the Hall of Fame would be about the best possible outcome. 

His biography is worth reading: http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e3347ea3 (http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e3347ea3) 

Interestingly, Carey graduated from the prep school in Fort Wayne four years prior to Bill Wambsganss.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 03, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
MLB Standings after Labor Day.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's       Magic Number: 26
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 21
                                 Texas Rangers (tie)     Magic Number: 26
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 21
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers         Magic Number: 17
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 19
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox       Magic Number: 21
                                                            Wild Card Magic #: 18

Wild Card #1        Oakland A's             Wild Card Magic #: 21
                                 Texas Rangers (tie)   Wild Card Magic #: 21
Wild Card #2        Tampa Bay Rays       Wild Card Magic #: 25



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers           Magic Number: 14
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 12
NL Central Leader   Pittsburgh Pirates   Magic Number: 25
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 16
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves        Magic Number: 11
                                                                Wild Card Magic #: 12

Wild Card #1        St. Louis Cardinals    Wild Card Magic #: 17
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds        Wild Card Magic #: 19


Houston Astros: 92 losses with 25 games to play. 100 losses almost certain.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 04, 2013, 09:25:01 AM
MLB Standings.

AL West Leader      Texas Rangers     Magic Number: 24
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 19
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers       Magic Number: 17
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 19
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox     Magic Number: 19
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 16

Wild Card #1        Oakland A's            Wild Card Magic #: 20
Wild Card #2        Tampa Bay Rays     Wild Card Magic #: 24



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers              Magic Number: 12
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 12
NL Central Leader   Pittsburgh Pirates   Magic Number: 23
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 14
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves          Magic Number: 10
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 10

Wild Card #1        St. Louis Cardinals    Wild Card Magic #: 16
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds          Wild Card Magic #: 17


Houston Astros: 93 losses with 24 games to play. 100 losses almost certain.

Bye bye, Marlins.  Like the Astros, you've now been officially eliminated from playoff eligibility.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 06, 2013, 09:02:28 AM
MLB Standings.

AL West Leader      Texas Rangers     Magic Number: 23
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 18
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers       Magic Number: 17
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 17
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox     Magic Number: 16
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 13

Wild Card #1        Oakland A's            Wild Card Magic #: 18
Wild Card #2        Tampa Bay Rays     Wild Card Magic #: 21



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers              Magic Number: 12
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 12
NL Central Leader   Pittsburgh Pirates   Magic Number: 22
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 14
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves          Magic Number: 10
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 10

Wild Card #1        St. Louis Cardinals    Wild Card Magic #: 15
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds          Wild Card Magic #: 16


Houston Astros: 93 losses with 22 games to play. 100 losses almost certain.

No team has clinched yet, but for all intents and purposes, the regular season has ended in the National League.

The Braves, Pirates, Dodgers, Cardinals, and Reds are assured of going to the playoffs. Yes, the jockeying for division championships and home field advantage can be fun to watch. I'll admit that even I take a quick look at the NL Central to see the latest happenings as the Pirates, Cardinals, and Reds slug it out. Making it to a one-game wild-card playoff is a risky proposition best avoided.  But they're all going to make it to October; the only question is how.

Being a Rangers fan, I'm naturally disposed to watching the American League and this season is not about to change that.  Late-season surges by the Yankees and Indians are making it interesting with the Orioles hanging in there. And, of course, the Rangers and Athletics are in a death match for the AL West crown. Nothing seems certain as of yet.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 09, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
MLB Standings.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's          Magic Number: 19
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 14
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers       Magic Number: 15
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 15
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox     Magic Number: 12
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 10

Wild Card #1        Texas Rangers        Wild Card Magic #: 16
Wild Card #2        Tampa Bay Rays     Wild Card Magic #: 19



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers              Magic Number: 10
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 11
NL Central Leader  St. Louis Cardinals    Magic Number: 19
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 11
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves          Magic Number: 9
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 9

Wild Card #1        Pittsburgh Pirates     Wild Card Magic #: 13
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds          Wild Card Magic #: 12

Houston Astros: 96 losses with 19 games to play. 100 losses almost certain.

The city of Chicago has now officially been eliminated from seeing any post-season baseball as both the Cubs and White Sox were eliminated from wild-card eligibity this weekend.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 09, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
The Chicago Cubs and the Chicago White Sox
were eliminated from the pennant chase this
year on April 1.  Wrigley Field is the biggest
beer garden in the state of Illinois.  The
White Sox play to a half empty stadium
for most of their home games.

Bottom Line: Chicago is rooting for the
Chicago Bears to get to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ghp on September 09, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
The Chicago Cubs and the Chicago White Sox
were eliminated from the pennant chase this
year on April 1.  Wrigley Field is the biggest
beer garden in the state of Illinois.  The
White Sox play to a half empty stadium
for most of their home games.

Bottom Line: Chicago is rooting for the
Chicago Bears to get to the Super Bowl.

In other words:  Situation Normal - All is right with the world...

;)

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 12, 2013, 09:19:22 AM
MLB Standings.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's          Magic Number: 15
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 11
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers       Magic Number: 11
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 11
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox     Magic Number: 8
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 6

Wild Card #1        Texas Rangers        Wild Card Magic #: 14
Wild Card #2        Tampa Bay Rays     Wild Card Magic #: 17



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers              Magic Number: 6
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 9
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals  Magic Number: 17
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 9
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves          Magic Number: 7
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 7

Wild Card #1        St. Louis Cardinals    Wild Card Magic #: 10
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds          Wild Card Magic #: 11


Houston Astros: 96 losses with 16 games to play. 100 losses almost certain.

The Mets have now been officially eliminated from playoff eligibility. Better luck next year, Met fans!

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 20, 2013, 10:50:53 AM
MLB Standings.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's          Magic Number: 4
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 3
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers       Magic Number: 4
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 4
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox     Magic Number: 1
                                                           Clinched postseason slot

Wild Card #1        Tampa Bay Rays     Wild Card Magic #: 10
Wild Card #2        Texas Rangers        Wild Card Magic #: 10



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers              NL West Champions
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals  Magic Number: 9
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 3
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves          Magic Number: 2
                                                               Wild Card Magic #: 2

Wild Card #1        Pittsburgh Pirates     Wild Card Magic #: 4
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds          Wild Card Magic #: 5


Houston Astros: 102 losses and still going.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 20, 2013, 11:39:08 AM
The 2013 World Series could be an epic
battle between the Los Angeles Dodgers
and the Boston Red Sox.

Detroit has some health issues with
Cabrera and Verlander, so they will
come up short in the playoffs.

St. Louis does not have the pitching
or hitting to match up with L.A.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Henrickson on September 20, 2013, 01:15:39 PM
St. Louis does not have the pitching or hitting to match up with L.A.

St. Louis has scored the most runs of any team in the National League. And of the five teams going to the post-season, St. Louis is first in runs, hits, batting average, and OPS.

As far as pitching, the five NL teams going to the post-season also happen to be the top five teams in ERA (surprise). Of those, St. Louis is fifth, but still very good, and not that far behind Los Angeles.

If you haven't noticed, the Cardinals are just a shade behind the Braves for the best record in the league. Indeed, it looks like a strong field overall in the NL playoffs this year, no slouches.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 20, 2013, 01:28:26 PM
St. Louis does not have the pitching or hitting to match up with L.A.

St. Louis has scored the most runs of any team in the National League. And of the five teams going to the post-season, St. Louis is first in runs, hits, batting average, and OPS.

As far as pitching, the five NL teams going to the post-season also happen to be the top five teams in ERA (surprise). Of those, St. Louis is fifth, but still very good, and not that far behind Los Angeles.

If you haven't noticed, the Cardinals are just a shade behind the Braves for the best record in the league. Indeed, it looks like a strong field overall in the NL playoffs this year, no slouches.

The thing is that while the Cardinals are just a shade better than the Dodgers in record, they'll have to fight until the end to win the NL Central while the Dodgers can now rest and set up their rotation. St. Louis indeed does have the hitting, but pitching typically beats hitting in the postseason.

Yeah, St. Louis is pretty assured of a wild-card spot, but I'd think the prospect of yet one more game against the Pirates or Reds in a winner-take-all playoff is something they want to avoid.

Of course, I'm still bitter over 2011 so take this with a grain of salt.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 20, 2013, 02:04:50 PM
Kershaw is 14-9 with a 1.94 ERA
Greinke is  15-3 with a 2.75 ERA

In a short series this is the best
one-two pitching in the majors.
Pitching for the Dodgers has an
edge.  However if President Harrison
goes down and blesses Busch Stadium
who knows what will happen.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 20, 2013, 02:37:50 PM
Kershaw is 14-9 with a 1.94 ERA
Greinke is  15-3 with a 2.75 ERA

In a short series this is the best
one-two pitching in the majors.

Don't know about that.

Wainwright who is 16-9 with a 2.96 ERA
and Miller who is 14-9 with a 3.0.1 ERA
might have something to say about that.

Mike

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Henrickson on September 20, 2013, 05:11:39 PM
The five NL teams are closely bunched in record, all of them within a four-game range.  A lot will depend on who can avoid the wild-card play-in game. And then a lot will depend on who gets home-field advantage in these NL series. For instance, the Braves are awesome at home, but losers on the road. So if the Cards can overtake them for best record, and then have home-field advantage in the NLCS, that could be huge.

After Wainwright, don't be surprised if the Cards' #2 starter is Joe Kelly, particularly if the game is on the road. Kelly has been excellent, especially on the road. Miller has been good at home, bad on the road. Lynn has been mediocre at home, disastrous on the road.

With Los Angeles pitchers, as always, you have to look at home/road splits.  Historically, ERAs are very low for all pitchers at games played in Los Angeles. Greinke, e.g., is over a full run higher on the road.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Paul O Malley on September 20, 2013, 05:36:47 PM
St. Louis does not have the pitching
or hitting to match up with L.A.

The Cardinals have scored 4.82 runs per game this year against the Dodgers 4.08 r/g.  See <<http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2013-standard-batting.shtml>>  Given the inflation of offensive statistics in the AL due to that abomination called the DH I'd say the Cardinals have the best offense in the majors. 

In pitching/defense terms the Dodgers have only a slight advantage having given up 3.71 r/g versus 3.76 r/g.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Henrickson on September 20, 2013, 05:55:23 PM
that abomination called the DH. . . .

"They shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of designation." --Daniel

"The abomination of designation, standing where it ought not to be. . . ." --Mark
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 20, 2013, 06:12:02 PM
Baseball purists decry the designated hitter.
However, most baseball fans do not come to
the ballpark to see the pitcher hit. There are
some good hitting pitchers in MLB, yet the
majority are an automatic out.

What is great about the DH?  It prolonged
the career of sluggers who could still hit, but
were too old to be a full-time position player
in the field.  The American League can be proud
of providing employment  for aging superstars
who could still hit home runs.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Paul O Malley on September 20, 2013, 07:58:59 PM

What is great about the DH?  It prolonged
the career of sluggers who could still hit, but
were too old to be a full-time position player
in the field.  The American League can be proud
of providing employment  for aging superstars
who could still hit home runs.

Ah, the DH is a sort of full employment act for the already famously rich.  And it keeps a dozen odd utility players who might actually need the money confined to the minors.  So it is anti-family.  It might even immunize AL pitchers from the risk of being hit by a pitch in retaliation for their antics on the mound.  So it promotes violence.  Besides, to paraphrase Crash Davis, home runs are boring.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 23, 2013, 10:46:08 AM
MLB Standings.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's          AL West Champion
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers       Magic Number: 2
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 1
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox     AL East Champion
Wild Card #1        Tampa Bay Rays     Wild Card Magic #: 6
Wild Card #2        Cleveland Indians   Wild Card Magic #: 6



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers              NL West Champion
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals  Magic Number: 5
                                                               Clinched postseason slot
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves          NL East Champion
Wild Card #1        Pittsburgh Pirates     Wild Card Magic #: 2
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds          Wild Card Magic #: 2


Houston Astros: 105 losses and still going.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 23, 2013, 10:48:53 AM
The DH reduces baseball to beer league softball.

Not that there's anything wrong with beer league softball. But it ain't baseball.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 23, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
The DH reduces baseball to beer league softball.

Not that there's anything wrong with beer league softball. But it ain't baseball.

M. Staneck

It's certainly fashionable to disdain the DH.  The simple fact is though that the National League of MLB is the only level of baseball -- outside of perhaps some beer leagues and IM leagues which have a nostalgic streak -- to still not use the designated hitter.

Not the minor leagues (for the most part). Not Little League.  Not even any of the professional independent leagues to my knowledge.

The Confessors had the wild idea that women need not wear hats during the Divine Service as long as no one took offense.  The funny thing is that I know some who take offense at this even today as a breaking-down of gender differentiation.  I cannot believe that no one took offense back then, but it seems the Confessors strongly insinuated that they should not.  They insinuated that people should get with the program and not look to find offense where it need not be found.

It's been forty years folks, and the NL is now the odd duck rather than the AL.  Why not try taking down odd-sized leagues requiring extensive interleague play instead.  I see that as an innovation much more destructive to the fiber of a game in which part of its beauty was that the two leagues met only in the All-Star game and the World Series.

This came out a bit more serious than it should for light topic like this, but I get worked up sometimes. Especially when my Rangers are spitting the bit big time.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 23, 2013, 07:33:29 PM
Beer League Softball is Slo-pitch.

Real Men play Fast-pitch Softball.

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Robert Johnson on September 23, 2013, 08:13:41 PM
It's certainly fashionable to disdain the DH. 

The DH is brought to you by a coalition of Players Incapable Of Defense But Who Still Want A Paycheck and The Association Of Managers Who Don't Want To Have To Make Hard Decisions.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 24, 2013, 08:47:34 AM
MLB Standings.

AL West Leader      Oakland A's          AL West Champion
AL Central Leader   Detroit Tigers       Magic Number: 2
                                                           Wild Card Magic #: 1
AL East Leader      Boston Red Sox     AL East Champion
Wild Card #1        Tampa Bay Rays     Wild Card Magic #: 5
Wild Card #2        Cleveland Indians   Wild Card Magic #: 6



NL West Leader      LA Dodgers              NL West Champion
NL Central Leader   St. Louis Cardinals  Magic Number: 4
                                                               Clinched postseason slot
NL East Leader      Atlanta Braves          NL East Champion
Wild Card #1        Pittsburgh Pirates      Clinched postseason slot   
Wild Card #2        Cincinnati Reds          Clinched postseason slot


Houston Astros: 106 losses and still going.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on September 24, 2013, 09:01:46 AM
Houston Astros: 106 losses and still going.
And unfortunately (for the 'Stros), they are not (http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2013/08/29/erroneous-story-claiming-houston-astros-most-profitable-ever-a-massive-strikeout/) as profitable as had been reported (http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2013/08/26/2013-houston-astros-baseballs-worst-team-is-most-profitable-in-history/) recently.  I do take a bit a comfort in that, as it just seemed very wrong that a very bad team should profit (sort of like the movie Major League).

The hits just keep on coming.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 24, 2013, 09:29:56 AM
The DH reduces baseball to beer league softball.

Not that there's anything wrong with beer league softball. But it ain't baseball.

M. Staneck

It's certainly fashionable to disdain the DH.  The simple fact is though that the National League of MLB is the only level of baseball -- outside of perhaps some beer leagues and IM leagues which have a nostalgic streak -- to still not use the designated hitter.

Not the minor leagues (for the most part). Not Little League.  Not even any of the professional independent leagues to my knowledge.

The Confessors had the wild idea that women need not wear hats during the Divine Service as long as no one took offense.  The funny thing is that I know some who take offense at this even today as a breaking-down of gender differentiation.  I cannot believe that no one took offense back then, but it seems the Confessors strongly insinuated that they should not.  They insinuated that people should get with the program and not look to find offense where it need not be found.

It's been forty years folks, and the NL is now the odd duck rather than the AL.  Why not try taking down odd-sized leagues requiring extensive interleague play instead.  I see that as an innovation much more destructive to the fiber of a game in which part of its beauty was that the two leagues met only in the All-Star game and the World Series.

This came out a bit more serious than it should for light topic like this, but I get worked up sometimes. Especially when my Rangers are spitting the bit big time.  ;)

Mike

Mike, since when is pure doctrine decided according to what everyone else is doing? The NL will be vindicated on the Last Day.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on September 24, 2013, 09:42:10 AM
Disdaining the DH is great and true.  Disdaining the wicked interleague play innovation is also good and just. 

Three teams from the NL Central have clinched spots.  The Cardinals have a two game lead on the Pirates and the Reds. 

Last year I was very excited yet facing a dilemma that eventually came true.  I was raised a Cardinal fan in the DC metro area.  I rejoiced when the curly W's came back to MLB.  The Nats are fun team to watch and last year the Cards and Nats played in a playoff series.  I thought it would be exciting.  It was dreadful.  I couldn't wait for the series to be over regardless of who won.  This year has been a solid season for St. Louis and a pretty solid Natatastrophe for the DC Nine.  Since August the Nats have been playing pretty well and were relying on a whole lot of things to break in their favor to gain the second wild card spot.  Those breaks didn't happen.  Last night the Cards beat the Nats 4-3.  The Nats were officially eliminated from playoff contention.  There's always next year. 

The Cards are not resting as they head into the playoffs.  They are chasing the Braves for the best record in the league and home field advantage.  That would be a good thing.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 24, 2013, 09:49:28 AM
The Nationals had their chance last season
but made some poor decisions.  The biggest
goof was to shut down Strasburg.  You only
get so many chances to make the World
Series.  They put Strasburg on an innings
pitched leash and it cost them a real chance
to make history.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 24, 2013, 10:00:24 AM
With the new Bud Selig format the wild cards
are only guaranteed one game.  These two
teams meet for only one game and the
winner advances to the division series.

Unless you win your division like Boston,
Detroit, Oakland, there is not much security
in having your fate decided by one game playoff.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 26, 2013, 09:55:29 AM
The New York Yankees were eliminated from
post-season play last night.  This is only the
second time in the last 19 years that the
Yankees will not be playing baseball in the
month of October.  This will not be the year
that the Bronx Bombers win their 28th
World Series championship ring.

Today, Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle
are only distant memories of the great
tradition of winning the World Series.
Even Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera
with their 5 World Series Championship
rings are verklempt today.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on September 26, 2013, 12:42:41 PM
The New York Yankees were eliminated from
post-season play last night.  This is only the
second time in the last 19 years that the
Yankees will not be playing baseball in the
month of October.  This will not be the year
that the Bronx Bombers win their 28th
World Series championship ring.

Today, Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle
are only distant memories of the great
tradition of winning the World Series.
Even Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera
with their 5 World Series Championship
rings are verklempt today.

Pastor Likeness, next year won't be the year the Yankees win a ring either. 

The St. Louis Cardinals are in the playoffs.  They just swept our nation's team, the Nationals, in a three game series.  In that series, rookie pitchers recorded the last 59 outs.  Keep in mind that there are 27 outs in a nine inning game.  In the series finale, five pitchers were used and all of them were rookies.  All five of those pitchers spent some time in 2012 at Class A Palm Beach.  In September, a month that the Cardinals were in the heat of a three way playoff race with the Pirates and the Reds, the Cardinals won 16 games.  Eight of those wins were earned by rookies.  There were eleven "holds", eight of them by rookie relievers.  A rookie saved all three games in the most recent series. 

Playoff tickets for the Cardinals through 2017 went on sale yesterday.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike Gehlhausen on September 30, 2013, 12:04:25 PM
Rangers win their last 7 games to force a play-in tiebreaker game against the Tampa Bay Rays tonight for the second AL wild card spot.

If the Rangers win, they will then play the Cleveland Indians -- who themselves have a 10-game winning streak going -- in the AL wild card game on Wednesday. The winnee will play the Boston Red Sox in the upcoming AL divisional series.

I can only figure that Boston is pulling for the Rays rather than having to face red-hot Rangers or Indians teams after a layoff of nearly a week.

Mike
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 01, 2013, 09:25:13 AM
The Texas Rangers ran into one of the best
pitchers in the American League.  David Price
is a big game lefty who can win when it
counts.   Evan Longoria is a hot hitter right
now.  Do not forget that Price won the Cy
Young last year in the AL.

Bottom Line:  Our deepest sympathy to Mike
Gehlhausen in Texas

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: FatherWilliam57 on October 02, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
Raise the Jolly Roger!  Pittsburgh heading to St. Louis.  Pirates took the season series 10-9; however, the Cardinals have one the last 7 out of 10 since the All Star break.  But I have hopes the Pirates can cobble together enough pitching to make it to the next level.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 02, 2013, 11:34:56 AM
Raise the Jolly Roger!  Pittsburgh heading to St. Louis.  Pirates took the season series 10-9; however, the Cardinals have one the last 7 out of 10 since the All Star break.  But I have hopes the Pirates can cobble together enough pitching to make it to the next level.

I'm rooting for the Bucs to take it all the way to the World Series, against Oakland.  The viewing audience will be an all-time Nielsen low, but it will be good for pure fans of the game.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 02, 2013, 11:52:15 AM
Yes, raise and wave the Jolly Roger.  The St. Louis Cardinals are the New York Yankees in this one.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 02, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
The top two teams in MLB with World Series
titles:

1. New York Yankees have 27 WS titles

2. St. Louis Cardinals have 11 WS titles

Everybody else is just messing around.
Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio
Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Bob Gibson
are all Hall of Famers.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: George Erdner on October 02, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
The top two teams in MLB with World Series
titles:

1. New York Yankees have 27 WS titles

2. St. Louis Cardinals have 11 WS titles

Everybody else is just messing around.
Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio
Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Bob Gibson
are all Hall of Famers.


You make a good point. The Yankees bought more World Series titles than any other team.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 18, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
Is anyone else feeling happy that, of the ten teams in the playoffs (counting the play-ins) this year, all but one are teams from the 16 of my childhood, or their direct descendents? Only the Tampa Bay Rays were newbies. It is a reassuring stability in a chaotic decade.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: JoeEckman on October 19, 2013, 05:53:40 AM
Quote
Is anyone else feeling happy that, of the ten teams in the playoffs (counting the play-ins) this year, all but one are teams from the 16 of my childhood, or their direct descendents? Only the Tampa Bay Rays were newbies. It is a reassuring stability in a chaotic decade.

Now that you mentioned it, I am.  I still can't get over that the Braves left Milwaukee. (That was where they were when I first started collecting baseball cards.  Who knew they came from Boston; the Dodgers were already in LA.)

Eckman
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 19, 2013, 07:59:06 AM
Quote
Is anyone else feeling happy that, of the ten teams in the playoffs (counting the play-ins) this year, all but one are teams from the 16 of my childhood, or their direct descendents? Only the Tampa Bay Rays were newbies. It is a reassuring stability in a chaotic decade.

Now that you mentioned it, I am.  I still can't get over that the Braves left Milwaukee. (That was where they were when I first started collecting baseball cards.  Who knew they came from Boston; the Dodgers were already in LA.)

Eckman

I'm with you.  Lou Perini moved the Braves to Milwaukee, where we had Perini's Woods beyond the center field wall.  Then the endless stream of money proceeding from CoCola down in Atlanta took them away from us.  I understood and sang the national anthem as a child to be "the land of the free/and the home of the Braves." 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 19, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
My favorite Milwaukee Braves memory is listening to the Harvey Haddix game.  He had a perfect game into extra innings and lost the game. I felt very bad for him. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on October 19, 2013, 10:01:21 AM
Quote
Is anyone else feeling happy that, of the ten teams in the playoffs (counting the play-ins) this year, all but one are teams from the 16 of my childhood, or their direct descendents? Only the Tampa Bay Rays were newbies. It is a reassuring stability in a chaotic decade.

Now that you mentioned it, I am.  I still can't get over that the Braves left Milwaukee. (That was where they were when I first started collecting baseball cards.  Who knew they came from Boston; the Dodgers were already in LA.)

Eckman

I'm with you.  Lou Perini moved the Braves to Milwaukee, where we had Perini's Woods beyond the center field wall.  Then the endless stream of money proceeding from CoCola down in Atlanta took them away from us.  I understood and sang the national anthem as a child to be "the land of the free/and the home of the Braves." 

Dave Benke
Add me to the list...although I'm too young to remember the Braves in Milwaukee.  Of course, the Phillies two World Series championships were against "less than real" teams (Kansas City Royals, Tampa Bay Devil Rays), while majority of their WS losses were against those real franchises of New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox.  I'm not sure whether the Baltimore Orioles count as a real team, but I know the Toronto Blue Jays do not (though I'm still not completely over that one).

And I'm still not used to the Brewers being an NL team, and sometimes I still forget the Seattle Seahawks are in the NFC West.

I was reminded again watching these two LC series why I hate the designated hitter:  Kershaw getting knocked out last night for the Dodgers early (including an inning where he threw 48 pitches!) had a much bigger impact for the rest of the game (aside from just the score), than when Jake Peavy got yanked for the Red Sox in Game 4, and it's just pitch the next guy in the bullpen until he's tired.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 19, 2013, 10:31:26 AM
The Venerable Bishop Benke deserves one
correction:  The center field bullpen area
was called Perini Pines in the Milwaukee
newspapers.  It was always exciting to see
the relievers from the bullpen being driven
to the pitching mound in a flashy convertible
car.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike in Pennsylvania on October 19, 2013, 11:57:51 AM
The Baltimore Orioles were once the St. Louis Browns, so they count as one of the venerable 16.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 20, 2013, 10:04:57 AM
The Atlanta Braves are the carpetbaggers of MLB,  Boston, Milwaukee, and then Atlanta.  St. Louis to Baltimore is OK as is Washington to Minnesota.  I don't know what to think about a later Washington team moving to Texas.  What about Kansas City (NFL) moving to Dallas?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Mike in Pennsylvania on October 20, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Actually, if you want to get real picky, the St. Louis Browns were originally in Milwaukee, moving south in 1902 -- about the same time the Baltimore Orioles decamped to New York to become the Evil Empire.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 20, 2013, 07:46:12 PM
Actually, if you want to get real picky, the St. Louis Browns were originally in Milwaukee, moving south in 1902 -- about the same time the Baltimore Orioles decamped to New York to become the Evil Empire.
Oh, I like it when people know the history!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 20, 2013, 10:16:50 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, The World Series
begins this Wednesday.  We have two teams
who have each won 2 World Series in the
past 10 years. 

The Bearded Bosox will play the Clean-
Shaven Cardinals.  It is the East Coast
against the Midwest.  Who are you picking
to win?

Both Boston and St. Louis had the best
record in their respective leagues with
97 wins.  This is a legitimate World Series
with no wild cards in it.


Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 21, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
Gotta take the Sawx.  Worst to first and all that.   
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 21, 2013, 07:45:04 AM
Cardinals!  I've rooted for the Cardinals ever since Roger Maris left NY for St. Louis.   This series is for Stan the Man!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 21, 2013, 07:50:03 AM
Yes, Stan Musial is the man.   I liked Ted Williams, too.   Sawx.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 21, 2013, 09:59:35 AM
if you've never heard this, take a moment to hear the eulogy delivered by Bob Costas at Stan Musial's funeral.  After a moment or so an ad kicks in - but it is easily skipped.  There were a few stories herein that I shared with our catechism students.  As a professor friend says:  The top three ways to teach:  by example, by example, and by example.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 21, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
Sorry, meant to post a link to Youtube...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnYTfEG5bCk
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 24, 2013, 04:04:01 AM
Sawx win.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 25, 2013, 08:05:06 AM
Cahds win.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 28, 2013, 07:41:03 AM
Great series.  Too bad the audience is on the thin side.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 31, 2013, 09:54:08 AM
Congratulations to the Boston Red Sox who
just won their 3rd World Series in the last
ten years.  It is another feather in the cap
of the American League.  MVP David Ortiz
proved that the Designated Hitter can be
a powerful weapon and maybe the National
League might be ready for it.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 31, 2013, 10:08:24 AM
Well, there is no joy in Mudville, I mean Wayne - but it was a good series and good going Wacha.  Nice to see a young kid have such a great post-season.  Pitchers & Catchers February 12 - see all you Cardinal fans in next year's post-season.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 31, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
Great World Series.  The Cardinals are an admirable team.  St. Louis fans have the reputation of being the most loyal and knowledgeable fans anywhere.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Paul O Malley on October 31, 2013, 09:53:54 PM
The Baltimore Orioles were once the St. Louis Browns, so they count as one of the venerable 16.

I don't think I would accord the Orioles the honor.  The Orioles' organization has done everything possible to erase any record of their Browns' heritage, save for more or less keeping the team colors.  Thus there is no one in organized baseball to keep alive memories of great former Browns' players, for example, George Sisler, Ned Garver, Ken Williams.  The only memorial to Sisler, one of baseball's true greats, at any ballpark in the country is a small statue maintained outside of Busch III in St. Louis by the Cardinals.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on January 07, 2014, 12:01:32 PM
As we in the Midwest endure the "Polar Vortex"
it has brought sub zero temps and wind chills.
It is good to remember that pitchers and catchers
report to Major League Spring Training in 34 days.
Life is always about the future since that is where
we will spend the rest of our life.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on January 07, 2014, 12:40:05 PM
My brother goes down to the Fort Meyers area Jan- March. He interviewed for and was hired as a ball park PR guy for the Twins.

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/spring_training/ballpark.jsp?c_id=min

He had talked to guys doing the same in years past, and he said they were having a blast. He's excited, and I'm happy for him. Maybe in 10 years or so I can do something similar.  :)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on January 07, 2014, 12:46:03 PM
I have retired friends and relatives who
spend the month of March in Florida or
Arizona.  The sole purpose is to watch
MLB Spring training games and enjoy
the sun.  The Midwest winters are not
exacting kind to senior citizens.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on February 19, 2014, 12:17:37 PM
I met an old-timer who claims the Lutheran pastor did his wedding was once was a pitcher for the New York Yankees. 

I'd say he was married about 50 years ago, putting the pastor's pitching days perhaps in the 1950's, if not before.

The pastor was likely in the LCMS. He may have had a call in the south, near Augusta, Ga or in South Carolina, but I could be wrong about the region where he served.

Anyone know who this could be?   



Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on February 19, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
In 1953, Rev. Jack Faszholz pitched for the
St. Louis Cardinals in April and June.  He
had spent the previous 8 seasons in the
minor leagues.  He was a graduate of our
St. Louis Seminary and after 1953, he was
ordained and served as pastor, high school
teacher, and professor.  Today, he is in his
mid 80's
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on February 19, 2014, 01:41:57 PM
Okay, I found him. As often the case, memories are less than perfect.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hinripa01.shtml

A graduate of Concordia University - St. Paul, Mn, Paul Edwin Hinrichs, nicknamed "Herky", came up for the proverbial cup of coffee with the Boston Red Sox in the 1951 season.

God had bigger plans for this young man, as he attended seminary and served as the first pastor at Bethlehem Lutheran Church (LCMS) in Aiken, South Carolina.

Thanks for the suggestion Pastor Likeness.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on February 26, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Our national pastime has begun Spring Training
games in Florida and Arizona.  This is a time of
hope for every team as they test the rookies and
rest the veterans.   On a sad note this is the last
season for New York Yankee Captain Derek Jeter.
He has announced his retirement after the 2014
World Series.  This future Hall of Famer has over
3,000 hits in his career as well as 5 World Series
rings.  We salute this class act.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: JoeEckman on February 26, 2014, 04:48:45 PM
I have had a distaste for the Yankees since at least 1960 (Beat Em Bucs).  I can appreciate their record without being a fan.
Nevertheless Derek Jeter stands out as one of baseball'a gentlemen.  I hold him in high regard for his talent and his manner off the field.

He might not measure up to Roberto Clemente (who can?) but he will be missed, and I wish him well in whatever his future holds.  I hope some sort of public service has a place in his future plans.

Eckman
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on February 26, 2014, 09:10:44 PM
Are any of the modern players Lutheran?  Plenty of old ones have been mentioned on this site.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on February 27, 2014, 09:11:43 AM
Are any of the modern players Lutheran?  Plenty of old ones have been mentioned on this site.

Brooks Kieschnick isn't still in the league, is he?  Have to think he has some Lutheran bloodlines.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Weinelt on February 27, 2014, 09:55:41 AM
Great spring training story about a 19 year-old Orioles prospect who didn't know who Frank Robinson was when the legend visited the Orioles camp. The young man was given a homework assignment.

...Robinson made a spring-training appearance earlier in the day, and Hart had acknowledged to Showalter he didn't know who Robinson was.

"I said, 'You go home, you research it and you come back tomorrow and have it on my desk,' " Showalter said, according to The Baltimore Sun...

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10518159/buck-showalter-baltimore-orioles-makes-minor-leaguer-josh-hart-write-report (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10518159/buck-showalter-baltimore-orioles-makes-minor-leaguer-josh-hart-write-report)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on May 26, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Memorial Day is one of the markers for Major
League Baseball.  It means that almost one third
of the season is over.  In the American League
two teams have good records with Oakland at
30 wins and 20 losses and Detroit at 28-18.  In the
National League San Francisco is 32-18 and the
Milwaukee Brewers are 30-21.

The defending World Series Champs, the Boston
Red Sox, has a dismal record of 20 wins and 29 losses.
Yet the worse record belongs to the Chicago Cubs
who are at 18 wins and 30 losses.

In the city of New York we have two mediocre teams,
the Yankees are 26-23 and the Mets are 22-27.

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on May 26, 2014, 06:36:53 PM
Memorial Day is one of the markers for Major
League Baseball.  It means that almost one third
of the season is over.  In the American League
two teams have good records with Oakland at
30 wins and 20 losses and Detroit at 28-18.  In the
National League San Francisco is 32-18 and the
Milwaukee Brewers are 30-21.

The defending World Series Champs, the Boston
Red Sox, has a dismal record of 20 wins and 29 losses.
Yet the worse record belongs to the Chicago Cubs
who are at 18 wins and 30 losses.

In the city of New York we have two mediocre teams,
the Yankees are 26-23 and the Mets are 22-27.

Go Giants. And, I suppose, A's!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on May 27, 2014, 09:44:49 AM
Memorial Day is one of the markers for Major
League Baseball. 

I had the ESPN channel set to baseball yesterday (while doing some cleaning, cooking, and work on Sunday's texts). It was interesting to note the teams that incorporated khaki into their uniforms for Memorial Day games. I hadn't seen that before.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on May 27, 2014, 11:06:42 AM
Yesterday, all 30 MLB teams wore camouflage-styled
uniforms and caps to honor our military on Memorial Day.
This is the second year that it has included uniforms,
previously there had been just the caps.  They will wear
them again on Independence Day, July 4.

Bottom Line:  Baseball is America's Greatest Sport.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 02, 2014, 11:19:19 AM
The Chicago Cubs are so bad this season,
that the Chicago Tribune newspaper has
removed the team from the Sports section.
The Cubs have now been placed on the
Obituary page.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on June 02, 2014, 05:28:07 PM
 Jesus had a conversation with God and asked, "Father, so many people keep praying to me for the Cubs to win the World Series. What should I tell them?" God replied, "Tell them that the Cubs will win the World Series, my son.....Just not in my lifetime."

source: http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/mlbjokes/chicagocubsjokes.html
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on June 12, 2014, 09:44:13 AM
Series between the Brewers and Mets comes down to tonight.  Game 1 to Mets - very impressive.  Equally impressive game 2 to the Brewers.  Is Bishop Benke in attendance and where does his allegiance fall?

Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: racin_jason on June 28, 2014, 11:51:56 AM
I just discovered the quote from which this thread's title originated. 

Famed golf journalist Dan Jenkins wrote this in 1995 about Ben Crenshaw's Masters victory the week after his longtime mentor died:

"Not to bury the lead, but all in all, this Masters was a very bad week for atheists."
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 01, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
We are now at the half mark in the Major League
Baseball season.  The Milwaukee Brewers have the
best record in the National League with 51 wins and
33 losses.  In the American League the Oakland A's
have the top record with 51 wins and 31 losses.

Bottom Line:  The East Coast of our nation is nowhere
to be seen in the great game of baseball.  The Yankees,
the Mets, the Red Sox, the Phillies are all playing at
a mediocre level.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 03, 2014, 07:34:54 PM
Series between the Brewers and Mets comes down to tonight.  Game 1 to Mets - very impressive.  Equally impressive game 2 to the Brewers.  Is Bishop Benke in attendance and where does his allegiance fall?

Tom Myhre
Oops - this was during my sciatica episode.  My allegiance is with the Mets.  My childhood allegiance was with the Milwaukee Braves, one of the great teams of the 50s, who beat the hated Yankees in 1957 and had at least three HOF players in my guy, Hank Aaron, Eddie Mathews, and Warren Spahn, plus Red Schoendienst at the end of his career and a bunch of other pretty good players.  Anyway, when they left, I had no team and eventually went to the Mets in the mid-80s just in time for 1986.  I was never going to go for the Yankees. 

Now - my second fave is the Brewers.  The twosome I had a lot of respect for were Robin Yount and Paul Molitor.  In that same way, I always respected Don Mattingly and I respect Derek Jeter.  But the small-market Brewers have done pretty well with what they get, and they're my #2.  The Mets, who have got to eventually get new ownership, have fallen into disrepair but I and 70 fellow members of my congregation will be out there tomorrow evening for Bball and Fireworks.  Although it is supposed to rain a bit tonite and tomorrow during the day (!!). 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 03, 2014, 09:42:52 PM
One of my thrills as a student at Concordia, Milwaukee
was attending the Milwaukee Braves games.

After one game I got the autographs of Warren Spahn,
Eddie Matthews, Hank Aaron, and Red Schoendienst,
all future Hall of Famers.  I also got autographs from
Del Crandall, Joe Adcock, Johnny Logan, Billy Bruton,
Lou Burdette, and 11 other Braves.  They were all
free autographs which I got outside the Braves locker
room after the game.

Bottom Line:  I enjoyed talking to them as they signed
with my ball point pen on the Braves program sheet.
Today, there are no FREE autographs.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 05, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
One of my thrills as a student at Concordia, Milwaukee
was attending the Milwaukee Braves games.

After one game I got the autographs of Warren Spahn,
Eddie Matthews, Hank Aaron, and Red Schoendienst,
all future Hall of Famers.  I also got autographs from
Del Crandall, Joe Adcock, Johnny Logan, Billy Bruton,
Lou Burdette, and 11 other Braves.  They were all
free autographs which I got outside the Braves locker
room after the game.

Bottom Line:  I enjoyed talking to them as they signed
with my ball point pen on the Braves program sheet.
Today, there are no FREE autographs.

Take a picture of that program sheet and put it on EBay.  Then wait for the bids.  Result - the autograph fee will come your way.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: George Erdner on July 05, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
One of my thrills as a student at Concordia, Milwaukee
was attending the Milwaukee Braves games.

After one game I got the autographs of Warren Spahn,
Eddie Matthews, Hank Aaron, and Red Schoendienst,
all future Hall of Famers.  I also got autographs from
Del Crandall, Joe Adcock, Johnny Logan, Billy Bruton,
Lou Burdette, and 11 other Braves.  They were all
free autographs which I got outside the Braves locker
room after the game.

Bottom Line:  I enjoyed talking to them as they signed
with my ball point pen on the Braves program sheet.
Today, there are no FREE autographs.

Take a picture of that program sheet and put it on EBay.  Then wait for the bids.  Result - the autograph fee will come your way.

Dave Benke

Few collectors will pay for any autograph that isn't authenticated, so the most you'll get for a non-authenticated autograph isn't much. "Free" autographs are really just valuable as keepsakes and mementos, not as investments. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 05, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
The night after I got the 20 Milwaukee Braves
autographs, I went the next evening to get
20 autographs from the L.A. Dodgers.

This included future Hall of Famers, Sandy
Koufax, Don Drysdale, and Duke Snider.
Others who signed were Johnny Podres, Gil
Hodges, Frank Howard, Maury Wills, Junior
Gilliam, Wally Moon, Larry Sherry.

Frank Howard was met by one of his fraternity
brothers from Ohio State University.  His buddy
had a car and gave me a  ride back to the Concordia
campus.  I had a nice chat with Frank  who was
6' 8" and had a sport coat that was at least a
size 52.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on July 06, 2014, 07:48:26 PM
I became a Brewer fan in the spring of 1970, when they moved from Seattle to Milwaukee.  Was a senior at the old prep school in Milwaukee and suffered the previous year with occasional visits from the White Sox.  A group of 20 of us seniors skipped class (Senior English with J. Henry Gienapp) on opening day to go to the game.  The next day we had Bill Akcmann (HS Principal) for religion class and he quizzed each of individually where we were the previous day, did we stay for the entire game and whether the Brewers won.  The temperature at game time was 65 degrees and it got colder as the day went on.  After we all had answered, he said, "Well, I guess you suffered enough, so I won't punish you either."

Tom
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Harvey_Mozolak on July 06, 2014, 07:56:06 PM
and Bill Ackerman teacher for religion was suffering too...

how could the school do that?

I only knew him as Dean in college.

and Gienapp... well, another story

Harvey Mozolak
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on July 07, 2014, 10:36:09 AM
I still have the notes from his class and then when I was in college he became the dean of students.

He kept a very low profile around the old campus, but would swim late at night in the pool.  Would never go into the gym.  Only place you would see him was in class and his office.  Although he did stick his head in the gym in 1971 and commented on the homecoming decorations "Nice job, guys."  For the guys who came through the high school, this meant a lot, and the girls couldn't understand why.

Our family shared a garage with the Gienapps when we lived in a campus house 1968 - 1976 on 34th Street.

Tom
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 26, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
Last night, Derek Jeter wore the pinstripe uniform
of the New York Yankees for the last time in Yankee
Stadium.  At age 40 he played his final game at
shortstop as he was 2-5 at the plate and drove in
3 runs, including the game winner.

This future Hall of Famer is 6th all-time on the MLB
career hits list.  He has 5 World Series Championship
rings.   In retirement may he find a good wife after
40 years of bachelorhood.  Jeter is a class act who
will be missed by his fans.   
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Harvey_Mozolak on September 26, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
Dave (disclaimer, I enjoy sports but do not follow them carefully and baseball ranks way behind soccer and football) but do you think Jeter (whom I know by name but not much more until this week) deserves to be ranked with all the famous ball players that some seem to think him a fellow?   Harvey
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 26, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Harvey, it is agreed by Yankee fans that Babe Ruth,
Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle and Yogi
Berra were better Yankee players.   Yet, Derek Jeter
was the best Yankee of his generation. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on September 26, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Dave (disclaimer, I enjoy sports but do not follow them carefully and baseball ranks way behind soccer and football) but do you think Jeter (whom I know by name but not much more until this week) deserves to be ranked with all the famous ball players that some seem to think him a fellow?   Harvey
I have always been anti-Yankee. But I have seen Derek Jeter perform feats on the field that defy the laws of physics. On and off the field, he has carried himself with modesty and honor his whole career. I started following baseball in the late 40s, and I have never been so impressed by a player. I would even accept the Yankees for his sake (provided they didn't overreach and win the World Series). Their immunity is now over.

As for the earlier generations, let the dead praise the dead.

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Robert Johnson on September 28, 2014, 12:20:48 AM
Last night, Derek Jeter wore the pinstripe uniform
of the New York Yankees for the last time in Yankee
Stadium.  At age 40 he played his final game at
shortstop as he was 2-5 at the plate and drove in
3 runs, including the game winner.

This future Hall of Famer is 6th all-time on the MLB
career hits list.  He has 5 World Series Championship
rings.   In retirement may he find a good wife after
40 years of bachelorhood.  Jeter is a class act who
will be missed by his fans.

Does anybody have an estimate of how many women Jeter has bedded without marriage?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Chuck on September 28, 2014, 01:01:10 AM

Does anybody have an estimate of how many women Jeter has bedded without marriage?


Why would anyone other than a pervert care?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 28, 2014, 07:29:42 PM
The Major League Baseball regular season is over.
Now we prepare our hearts and minds for the playoffs.
The Washington Nationals and the Los Angeles  Dodgers
are the two teams with the best records in the NL.

In the American League we have the California Angels
and Baltimore Orioles with the best won/loss records.

St. Louis Cardinals won their division as did the Detroit
Tigers.  It should be a fun playoff between wild cards
Kansas City and Oakland A's as well as Pittsburgh Pirates
and San Fran Giants.

Let the regional partisanship begin.........as we look forward
to the World Series
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on September 28, 2014, 11:19:44 PM

Does anybody have an estimate of how many women Jeter has bedded without marriage?


Why would anyone other than a pervert care?

The point, I believe, was to indicate that Mr. Jeter may not be "the class act" he is portrayed as being.  There are numerous stories of his infecting women with STD's.  Hardly the classiest thing, even in our free-sex loving culture.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on September 29, 2014, 12:00:30 AM

In the American League we have the California Angels and Baltimore Orioles with the best won/loss records.


Dave, we're the "Los Angeles Angels."  It hasn't been "California Angels" since the 1996 season, when Disney re-named the team "Anaheim Angels" (as which we won the 2002 World Series).  Officially it's been "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" since 2005.

Pax, Steven+
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 02, 2014, 09:54:47 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, the month of October is
the pinnacle of Major League Baseball.  We are
now in the winnowing process to get our next
World Series Champion.

Currently, in the American League we have
two playoffs:
Baltimore Orioles against the Detroit Tigers
Los Angeles Angels against the Kansas City Royals

In the National League we have:
Washington Nationals against San Fran Giants
Los Angeles Dodgers against St. Louis Cardinals

We have 3 teams from the West Coast and 3 teams
from the Midwest, and 2 teams from East Coast.
Who are you rooting and cheering for?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on October 02, 2014, 11:17:25 AM
The thought of a World Series between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Kansas City Royals intrigues me. Would an I-70 Series turn off the rest of the country? (Doesn't quite have the flair of a Subway Series, does it?)

On the other hand, what about a Los Angeles vs. Los Angeles Series? Talk about local color!

At any rate, I will be rooting for the Cards. And may there be fun and interesting games abounding!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 02, 2014, 11:31:15 AM
Erma, the possibilities are endless:

Interstate 70 Series:  St. Louis/Kansas City

Beltway Series: Washington D.C./Baltimore

Hollywood Series: Los Angeles/Los Angeles

Birdman Series:  Cardinals/Orioles

Rookie Manager Series: Detroit/Nationals
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: DCharlton on October 02, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
Birdman Series:  Cardinals/Orioles

Browns vs. Cardinals!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: aletheist on October 02, 2014, 01:30:09 PM
The thought of a World Series between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Kansas City Royals intrigues me.
As long as the final outcome is the same as last time (1985), this would be absolutely fine with me.  Go Royals!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on October 02, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
The WaPo Sports section was talking about the possibility of a Nats-Orioles series and what it might be called.  From a precision standpoint, "Beltway" is inaccurate.  Which beltway is being referred to?  Each city has its own.  And every urban city has a beltway of some sort.  (St. Louis, Madison, KC, Atlanta, Philly, Wilmington, etc.) 

A name that would be more reflective of the Baltimore-Washington metroplex would be the Parkway Series.  There is only one Baltimore-Washington Parkway.

So the WaPo is going to do their darndest to promote Parkway Series rather than Beltway(s) Series.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven Tibbetts on October 02, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
The WaPo Sports section was talking about the possibility of a Nats-Orioles series and what it might be called.


A Dodgers-Angels series would be called "the Freeway Series," something SoCal sports pages have been speculating on since the Los Angeles Angels broke ground 50 years ago for their own ballpark in Anaheim, 30 miles south of where they were then playing at Chavez Ravine, by the Santa Ana (US-101, now I-5) Freeway.

Paz, Estéban+

P. S. Los Angeles is one of many "urban cities" that has no "beltway".  Similarly San Francisco-Oakland.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 02, 2014, 06:59:25 PM
I don't care what we call the series as long as the Cardinals are in it!   ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on October 02, 2014, 10:38:15 PM
The thought of a World Series between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Kansas City Royals intrigues me.
As long as the final outcome is the same as last time (1985), this would be absolutely fine with me.  Go Royals!

We'll have to see if the Royals survive tonight's game. But I thank you for causing me to look up the 1985 World Series. Wow! I had forgotten the stellar performance by the Royals. They truly deserved to win, and setting such amazing records in doing so.

If it is indeed the case that the Cards and the Royals meet again in World Series combat, all I can say is, bring it on! And may the best team triumph, whoever that may be!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: aletheist on October 02, 2014, 11:14:11 PM
We'll have to see if the Royals survive tonight's game.
Their wildcard elimination game was Tuesday, and they pulled off the win in dramatic (one might say miraculous) fashion.  Tonight is the first game in a best-of-five series, so losing would not be the end of the world.  So far, so good--tied at 2 in the bottom of the 7th.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 02, 2014, 11:53:16 PM
Go Giants!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: DCharlton on October 03, 2014, 03:51:31 PM

P. S. Los Angeles is one of many "urban cities" that has no "beltway".  Similarly San Francisco-Oakland.

Although the 280/680 bypasses "sort of" comprise one.  When dealing with something as large as SF bay, well, its easier to sit in traffic and cross one of the bridges than to drive all the way around  ;D

How about going by barge?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Rev. Matthew Uttenreither on October 03, 2014, 06:26:31 PM
Go Orioles!  One more game and they're going to the AL Championship Series!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on October 03, 2014, 09:17:11 PM
The thought of a World Series between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Kansas City Royals intrigues me.
As long as the final outcome is the same as last time (1985), this would be absolutely fine with me.  Go Royals!

We'll have to see if the Royals survive tonight's game. But I thank you for causing me to look up the 1985 World Series. Wow! I had forgotten the stellar performance by the Royals. They truly deserved to win, and setting such amazing records in doing so.

If it is indeed the case that the Cards and the Royals meet again in World Series combat, all I can say is, bring it on! And may the best team triumph, whoever that may be!
I prefer to think about the Royals in 1980...  ;)

Having said that, considering who all is in the playoffs (watching the StL/LAD game 1 as I type), I can honestly say:  let's go Royals!  Since the Pirates were eliminated in the Wildcard game unfortunately.  Or maybe Go Orioles! too, now that I think about it.  But if they eliminate the Tigers, I won't have the opportunity to see Kate Upton attend the World Series!  ::)

Sterling Spatz
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 06, 2014, 08:29:21 PM
The Baltimore Orioles and the Kansas City Royals
will now decide who represents the American League
in the 2014 World Series.  It is one of those East
Coast versus the Midwest things. 

Bottom Line:  In LCMS parlance this would be like the
Southeastern District versus the Missouri District.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on October 06, 2014, 08:37:22 PM
But if they eliminate the Tigers, I won't have the opportunity to see Kate Upton attend the World Series!  ::)

Ah, perpetuating the rape culture.  ;)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 06, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
Today, there were 4 TV cameramen who resigned
from Fox Sports.  They were unhappy that the
Detroit Tigers would not be in this World Series.
They had looked forward to focusing on TV
close ups of Kate Upton.   She is the gal pal of
Tiger pitcher Justin Verlander.

Bottom Line:  The 22 year old Miss Upton will not
be zoomed in on during the Fall Classic.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on October 08, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
The WaPo Sports section was talking about the possibility of a Nats-Orioles series and what it might be called.


A Dodgers-Angels series would be called "the Freeway Series," something SoCal sports pages have been speculating on since the Los Angeles Angels broke ground 50 years ago for their own ballpark in Anaheim, 30 miles south of where they were then playing at Chavez Ravine, by the Santa Ana (US-101, now I-5) Freeway.

Paz, Estéban+


P. S. Los Angeles is one of many "urban cities" that has no "beltway".  Similarly San Francisco-Oakland.


A Nats-Orioles series would be called the Parkway Series as the Baltimore/Washington Parkway connects the two cities.

But San Francisco took care of that possibility last night.

Tom Myhre (lived in Baltimore for 6 years and took classes in Washington DC as part of the Gettysburg Seminary program)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 08, 2014, 10:58:01 AM
We are now down to the Final Four for the
2014 World Series.

American League:   Baltimore vs Kansas City

National League: St. Louis vs San Francisco

The Midwest has a chance for the Fall Classic,
but the East Coast and West Coast will also
have an opportunity.   Remember, that sports
is the toy department of life.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 15, 2014, 07:40:40 PM
The Kansas City Royals will represent the American
League in the 2014 World Series.

As a life-long New York Yankee I will fully support the
A.L. representative in the Fall Classic.

The Royals are still undefeated in Post Season play.
They have 8 wins  with their sweep of the Baltimore
Orioles in 4 games and the L.A. Angels in 3 games
and a win over the Oakland A's in the Wild Card game.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Kurt Strause on October 15, 2014, 07:47:50 PM
Though disappointed the Orioles will not play in the World Series, I have to hand it to the Royals. They played magnificently. I will be rooting for them in the World Series.

Kurt Strause
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 15, 2014, 08:42:13 PM
Very happy about the success of the Kansas City ball club this year.  When we lived in Des Moines in the 80s and 90s we spent many pleasant times in Kansas City at Kauffman Stadium.    This was in the time of Bo Jackson [Jack of All Trades, Master of None].  There hasn't been much to cheer about in Kansas City since then, but this may be the year of the Kansas City Royals.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jebutler on October 15, 2014, 09:37:22 PM
We Kansas City fans are happy as can be. Yes, I live in Boston. However, I was born and raised in Kansas City and went to many a ball game growing up. Whenever I'm back in KC, I never miss a chance to go to a game. It's been a long time coming, but KC is pulling it off this year. Go Royals!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Robert Johnson on October 16, 2014, 12:19:42 AM
We Kansas City fans are happy as can be. Yes, I live in Boston. However, I was born and raised in Kansas City and went to many a ball game growing up. Whenever I'm back in KC, I never miss a chance to go to a game. It's been a long time coming, but KC is pulling it off this year. Go Royals!

Television is not happy.  The ratings are likely to be awful.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steverem on October 16, 2014, 09:28:00 AM
... Bo Jackson [Jack of All Trades, Master of None] ...

Considering that Mr. Jackson was both a baseball all-star and a football pro-bowler while still in his mid-20s, I think he could fairly be described as a master of at least two trades.  One can only imagine what he might have accomplished were it not for a freak injury during that 1991 playoff game versus the Bengals.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on October 16, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
Jackson could have been a great baseball player, but he chose to throw that away for whatever reason.  I'm sorry for that.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on October 16, 2014, 10:09:11 AM
We Kansas City fans are happy as can be. Yes, I live in Boston. However, I was born and raised in Kansas City and went to many a ball game growing up. Whenever I'm back in KC, I never miss a chance to go to a game. It's been a long time coming, but KC is pulling it off this year. Go Royals!

Television is not happy.  The ratings are likely to be awful.

I heard on Pardon the Interruption on ESPN that the TV ratings so far this playoff season have been up.  And it because of the good play of the teams involved, compelling games.  Goes to show that it doesn't have to be NY/Boston/LA to get ratings.

Tom Myhre
Tom Myhre
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: aletheist on October 16, 2014, 06:08:21 PM
Television is not happy.  The ratings are likely to be awful.
I am extremely biased, but I think that the Royals are a really good story.  A lot of people around the country may tune in next week just to see if they can keep their record winning streak going.  Is it greedy for me to want four more wins this year? ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jebutler on October 16, 2014, 07:46:19 PM
... Bo Jackson [Jack of All Trades, Master of None] ...

Considering that Mr. Jackson was both a baseball all-star and a football pro-bowler while still in his mid-20s, I think he could fairly be described as a master of at least two trades.  One can only imagine what he might have accomplished were it not for a freak injury during that 1991 playoff game versus the Bengals.

I had read that he was injured while playing football for fun with some other players on the beach in Hawaii during the Pro Bowl. It was sad. He was a fun player to watch.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 16, 2014, 11:16:08 PM
The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: LutherMan on October 16, 2014, 11:27:06 PM
So rooting for KC...
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: MaddogLutheran on October 16, 2014, 11:37:48 PM
The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!
Dang it!  You spoiled it for me, by about 5 minutes...I've been DVR ping-ponging back and forth beween the endings of the NLCS and Thursday Night Football (almost realtime on the latter), staying off Twitter and all that...not thinking I'd get spoiled here.  Both were exciting finishes down to the wire.

Congrats, anyway.  Is an announcer always required to say "the Giants win the pennant" when they do?    ::)

I too will be rooting for KC, small market underdog and all that.  I like it when others gnash their teach that teams from Gotham or Beantown are not still playing late in October.

Sterling Spatz
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 17, 2014, 07:18:38 AM
There is no joy in Mudville  :(

But we'll be back next October!

Go Royals. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: DCharlton on October 17, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
Baseball and a Bad Night for Cardinal fans. :(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: John Mundinger on October 17, 2014, 01:07:41 PM
Baseball and a Bad Night for Cardinal fans. :(

Baseball and a great night for the fans of the underdogs.  When was the last time that both wild card teams made it to the World Series?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: aletheist on October 17, 2014, 01:25:38 PM
When was the last time that both wild card teams made it to the World Series?
I had to look it up--2002 (Angels over Giants).
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 18, 2014, 10:40:04 AM
America loves the underdog so the Kansas City
Royals have that going for them.  The Giants have
won 2 World Series in the past 5 years, while KC
has not won a World Series since 1985.

Bottom Line:  Perhaps, the magic continues for
the Royals and they win it all in 2014.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 18, 2014, 03:05:04 PM
Or perhaps not.  >:(
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 21, 2014, 09:07:29 PM
Here's why we love our Giants:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/marcos-breton/article3191527.html (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/marcos-breton/article3191527.html)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 21, 2014, 10:30:53 PM
It's the Midwest v. the Coast.  Bumgarner prevails tonight but it ain't over, yet.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 24, 2014, 03:55:43 PM
Tonight, the baseball world turns its eyes on San Fran.
The Giants and Royal are tied at one game apiece.  This
evening KC will miss their DH as they play according to
National League rules.  IF the Giants win these three
home games, then the World Series is over.  This is the
prayer of our West Coast Moderator.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 24, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Amen. Not a very stunning start, though.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: LutherMan on October 24, 2014, 11:23:40 PM
Go Royals!
AMEN!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 25, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
Go Royals!! One more to go. Happy for KC.

Not counting very well, are we, Paul?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 25, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
Go Royals!! One more to go. Happy for KC.
Not counting very well, are we, Paul?
Why keep intervening to undermine a poster's chosen anonymity? Especially if you are using your inside knowledge as moderator.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 25, 2014, 04:38:39 PM
Go Royals!! One more to go. Happy for KC.
Not counting very well, are we, Paul?
Why keep intervening to undermine a poster's chosen anonymity? Especially if you are using your inside knowledge as moderator.

Because this poster keeps disappearing under his true name, and then reappearing under various aliases. It's unseemly and deceptive.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: John Mundinger on October 25, 2014, 07:38:35 PM
Go Royals!! One more to go. Happy for KC.
Not counting very well, are we, Paul?
Why keep intervening to undermine a poster's chosen anonymity? Especially if you are using your inside knowledge as moderator.

Because this poster keeps disappearing under his true name, and then reappearing under various aliases. It's unseemly and deceptive.

Does the board software have the tools necessary to block his IP?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: LutherMan on October 25, 2014, 09:31:27 PM
Does the board software have the tools necessary to block his IP?
Why on earth would they block his IP when he hasn't been banned???
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Austin on October 25, 2014, 09:37:06 PM
I have said it before, Craig. I believe that people who try to take part in this forum and do not give their real names are cowards. I have encountered very few, maybe two, cases where I find the absence of a real name acceptable; and in both of those cases I knew who the "real" person was, they just did not use their real name online.
Someone who tries to slip in and out here using a phony name is a sneak and a cheat.
But of course, that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: John Mundinger on October 25, 2014, 09:48:36 PM
Does the board software have the tools necessary to block his IP?
Why on earth would they block his IP when he hasn't been banned???

Because posting under multiple identities is poor forum etiquette.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 25, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
I have said it before, Craig. I believe that people who try to take part in this forum and do not give their real names are cowards. I have encountered very few, maybe two, cases where I find the absence of a real name acceptable; and in both of those cases I knew who the "real" person was, they just did not use their real name online.
Someone who tries to slip in and out here using a phony name is a sneak and a cheat.
But of course, that's just my opinion.
This is one of the places where I continue to disagree with you--the other one being your resistance to using the "quote" feature.  I can imagine a situation where a man really wanted to praise a book from Fortress Press or the Catholic University of America Press and it might be held against him in his workplace.  ;) Whatever his or her reason, as long as they contribute in a constructive way, I'm happy to have them aboard. Lurkers, of course, are welcome whether anonymous, pseudonymous or eponymous, as long as they read.   :)

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 26, 2014, 12:03:58 AM
Go, Giants!  ;D ;D And go, and go, and go . . .
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: John Mundinger on October 26, 2014, 08:54:24 AM
I can imagine a situation where a man really wanted to praise a book from Fortress Press or the Catholic University of America Press and it might be held against him in his workplace.

I understand the logic for that.  However, it is unfortunate that anonymity for that reason might be required when we can assume that all participants here are sisters and brothers in Christ.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 26, 2014, 04:07:35 PM
Gentlemen,  this thread is devoted to BASEBALL.
As we prepare our hearts and minds to watch the
5th game of the 2014 World Series tonight, we
know one thing:  The World Series will end up
in Kansas City. 

With the series tied at 2 games each, the winner
tonight, will still need 1 more victory.  Tuesday or
maybe Wednesday in Kaufmann Stadium will decide
the World Series Champion.

Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Michael Slusser on October 26, 2014, 06:24:09 PM
I am entirely enjoying this World Series. May the best team win. I think baseball is the most exquisite sport known to man. I highly recommend the sublime book available to give you insight into what you really watching:

Men at Work by George Will
http://www.amazon.com/Men-at-Work-Craft-Baseball-ebook/dp/B003GYEGYS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414361211&sr=8-1&keywords=Men+At+Work+George+Will

Good choice. But try also Roger Angell's books.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/86450714/jg-taylor-spink-award-winner-roger-angell-covered-baseball-like-no-other (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/86450714/jg-taylor-spink-award-winner-roger-angell-covered-baseball-like-no-other)

Peace,
Michael
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 26, 2014, 06:27:52 PM
I noticed that someone, I won't say who, posted last evening something about "How about those Royals?" Then he took it down a few innings later.   ;D :( :o 8)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 26, 2014, 07:00:56 PM
G. B.  did you ever play baseball, football, or basketball
in grade school, high school or college?   
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 26, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
Yes, I played basketball in grade school,
high school, and  intramurals in college
and seminary.  (Forward)

I played football in grade school and
intramural football in high school and
college. (Quarterback)

I played baseball in grade school and
high school. (First Baseman)

I played fast-pitch softball during the summer
in my high school, college, seminary, and
early parish years. (Pitcher)

I played fast-pitch softball in high school,
college, and seminary intramurals. (Pitcher) 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 26, 2014, 07:38:03 PM
G.B.  The reason that I asked is because the
George Will book  "Men At Work" has been in
print for about 25 years.   I wondered if you had
just discovered it recently.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 26, 2014, 11:46:43 PM
How 'bout dem Giants?  8)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Austin on October 26, 2014, 11:50:30 PM
They wanted me to play football when I was a high school freshman, because I was a large guy who could move (played tennis); and - knowing how the girls liked the football heroes - I showed up for practice.
Within two weeks found myself thinking "I could get hurt doing this!" and a week later I told the coach that I would serve the school better if I picked up my clarinet and returned to the marching band. Girls like musicians, too.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 27, 2014, 08:30:44 AM
How 'bout dem Giants?  8)

The pitcher was outstanding and exciting to watch.  Oh that he had been on the Royals instead. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 27, 2014, 09:08:46 AM
They wanted me to play football when I was a high school freshman, because I was a large guy who could move (played tennis); and - knowing how the girls liked the football heroes - I showed up for practice.
Within two weeks found myself thinking "I could get hurt doing this!" and a week later I told the coach that I would serve the school better if I picked up my clarinet and returned to the marching band. Girls like musicians, too.
And this has what to do with baseball?

It was actually Pastor Likeness that moved beyond baseball to other sports.  He has the good fortune, however, not to set some teeth on edge.  But, do scroll up!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 27, 2014, 09:16:57 AM
Eileen, I asked the now deleted poster G.B., if he played
sports and then he asked me if I played sports.  I was only
replying to his question and gave an honest answer.

Bottom Line:  Eileen is correct, I have had the good fortune
not to set some teeth on edge.  I have never felt threatened
on this Forum and enjoy the discussions. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on October 27, 2014, 09:21:47 AM
Eileen, I asked the now deleted poster G.B., if he played
sports and then he asked me if I played sports.  I was only
replying to his question and gave an honest answer.

Bottom Line:  Eileen is correct, I have had the good fortune
not to set some teeth on edge.  I have never felt threatened
on this Forum and enjoy the discussions.

I do understand this - I was simply trying to suggest that the thread drifted slightly from baseball - and, as we all are well aware, thread drift is quite rare on this site.   ;)

So to bring it back to baseball:  It's a sad time for Cardinal fans with the loss of Oscar Taveras.  May God hold his family in peace during these days.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: LutherMan on October 27, 2014, 09:33:21 AM

Bottom Line:  Eileen is correct, I have had the good fortune
not to set some teeth on edge.  I have never felt threatened
on this Forum and enjoy the discussions.
That's because you are such a 'Like' able guy, LOL! (sorry, couldn't resist)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Keith Falk on October 28, 2014, 08:37:23 AM
They wanted me to play football when I was a high school freshman, because I was a large guy who could move (played tennis); and - knowing how the girls liked the football heroes - I showed up for practice.
Within two weeks found myself thinking "I could get hurt doing this!" and a week later I told the coach that I would serve the school better if I picked up my clarinet and returned to the marching band. Girls like musicians, too.


My father - a long time football coach - didn't think 7th graders should play football, so I wasn't allowed to play when junior high started.  I vividly remember the first day of school, when my friends were comparing bruises and discussing who had vomited during practice.  I decided at that point that football would not be in my future, so instead I played basketball and was quite happy with that decision.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 29, 2014, 11:43:58 AM
After last night's Miracle in Missouri, the KC Royals have
 pushed the World Series to the 7th game.   Tonight,
we have one of the best events in sports, the 7th game
of the WS.    This is a winner take all, do or die, there
is no tomorrow game.  May the SF Giants and KC Royals
give us an exciting conclusion to the Fall Classic.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Norman Teigen on October 30, 2014, 06:59:44 AM
It was one of the best World Series I've seen.  A true joy for those of us who love the game so much.  Congratulations to the San Francisco fans who are so ardent and well-informed. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: aletheist on October 30, 2014, 09:34:32 AM
Two very evenly matched teams, with one obvious exception; "Bumgarner" will henceforth and forevermore be a four-letter word in this part of the world. :'(

Congrats to the Giants and their fans. How about a rematch next year? 8)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on October 30, 2014, 09:34:44 AM
Maybe so--but neither team was the best in their league across the whole season.  That's the problem with these playoff formats--long term excellence can take a back seat to a short term run of good luck--all for the sake of a buck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 30, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
Traditional baseball fans remember when the World Series
featured the team with the best record from each league.
Commissioner Bud "Used Car Dealer" Selig decided on the
wild card scheme to generate more profits through more
playoffs.

This year the Royals had the 4th best record in the American
League and the Giants had the 4th best record in the National
League.  Both teams were Wild Cards.  However, this is the
World Series and we welcome the Giants with their now 8
World Series Championships.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: swbohler on October 30, 2014, 10:06:24 AM
Rev. Likeness,

Selig was the former owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, who year after year in the late 70's and early '80's had the second best record in the American League (perhaps even in either league) but who never made the post-season because they were in the same division with the team that had the best record (usually the Yankees, but sometimes the Orioles or Blue Jays).  Those Brewer teams of George Scott, Don Money and later Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Gorman Thomas, et al could have won it all, had they been in it.  But the format kept them out.  I am sure other second-place teams of the time felt the same way.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 30, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
Both the NFL and the NBA have wild card teams in
their playoffs for the Super Bowl and Championship
game.  So football and basketball have watered down
playoffs to make more money  MLB is not the only
pro-sport with wild card teams .

However, despite all the schemes and the loopholes,
we acknowledge that the New York Yankees have won
27 World Series Championships.   We pause in our
euphoria over the SF Giants 8th World  Series victory.
We remember the Hall of Famers who wore the Yankee
pinstripes, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey
Mantle, Yogi Berra.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 30, 2014, 10:40:09 AM
Rev. Likeness,

Selig was the former owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, who year after year in the late 70's and early '80's had the second best record in the American League (perhaps even in either league) but who never made the post-season because they were in the same division with the team that had the best record (usually the Yankees, but sometimes the Orioles or Blue Jays).  Those Brewer teams of George Scott, Don Money and later Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Gorman Thomas, et al could have won it all, had they been in it.  But the format kept them out.  I am sure other second-place teams of the time felt the same way.

All time sweetest pure swings:  Billy Williams, Paul Molitor, and even though he crushed us in 2006 by taking the called third strike in the playoffs against the Cardinals, Carlos Beltran.  Molitor had zero extraneous movement, all bat on ball.  I add Hank Aaron when he was young, line drive after line drive.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 30, 2014, 10:52:18 AM
Bishop Benke, in your short list of all time sweetest,
pure swings in MLB, do not forget the late, great  Ted
Williams.  This Hall of Famer from the Boston Red Sox
set the gold standard in hitting both with results and
style.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on October 30, 2014, 11:20:38 AM
Nor ought we to forget Joe Dimaggio, whose consecutive game hit streak is maybe the greatest sports achievement of all time.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: aletheist on October 30, 2014, 12:26:03 PM
Maybe so--but neither team was the best in their league across the whole season.  That's the problem with these playoff formats--long term excellence can take a back seat to a short term run of good luck--all for the sake of a buck
That is obviously a matter of opinion.  The unbalanced schedules across Major League Baseball suggest that comparing win-loss records is also an imperfect way to measure relative quality, but that is still how the wildcard teams are determined.  One could argue that we should go back to having each team play every other team in its league the same number of times, no interleague play, and a postseason that consists only of the World Series, but that ship sailed a long time ago.  The bottom line is that all major sports leagues in the United States now use the regular season to qualify teams for a separate tournament that determines the recognized champion.  For MLB, I personally would prefer the following:
Nor ought we to forget Joe Dimaggio, whose consecutive game hit streak is maybe the greatest sports achievement of all time.
Although far less famous, it is at least equally as impressive (and perhaps more so) that Ted Williams had an 84-game on-base streak in 1949.  And I acknowledge massive bias, but I will always cherish the uniquely beautiful and effective swing of George Brett.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 30, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
Bishop Benke, in your short list of all time sweetest,
pure swings in MLB, do not forget the late, great  Ted
Williams.  This Hall of Famer from the Boston Red Sox
set the gold standard in hitting both with results and
style.

Had a great head for hitting.  Now it's frozen in place cryogenically.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 30, 2014, 10:17:51 PM
Yeah, but how 'bout those Giants?  8)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on May 12, 2015, 03:07:54 PM
Today, the sports world pauses to celebrate the 90th
birthday of Yogi Berra.  He played 17 seasons with the
New York Yankees and won 10 World Series rings during
that time.  He is in the Hall of Fame at Copperstown, NY.
At 5' 7" and 185 pounds he hit over 350 home runs and
had over 1400 RBI's.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on June 27, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
Steven Matz makes his first start for the Mets tomorrow.  The lefthander is another of the Mets phenoms.  The difference in this case is that he's a Missouri Synod Lutheran from Long Island.
Let's go, Mets!!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Austin on June 27, 2015, 11:19:23 PM
Yogi is a proud resident of New Jersey and the stadium at Montclair State university is named for him. The Jackals play baseball there, and my Orpheus club men's chorus will be singing the national anthem at the opening of one of their games in July.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on June 28, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
So the Lutheran kid now owns New York City, at least Metsville.  He set the all-time Mets record for most RBI's in the first game in the majors by a Met - 4.  And he's the pitcher.  Went 3 for 3 and pitched and hit the Metsies to a 7-2 victory.  Simply amazing!  Freedom in the Gospel, Atlantic District style

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: mariemeyer on June 29, 2015, 09:29:27 AM

So the Lutheran kid now owns New York City, at least Metsville.  He set the all-time Mets record for most RBI's in the first game in the majors by a Met - 4.  And he's the pitcher.  Went 3 for 3 and pitched and hit the Metsies to a 7-2 victory.  Simply amazing!  Freedom in the Gospel, Atlantic District style

Dave Benke

The time may have come to shelve my Brooklyn Dodgers sweat shirt and replace it with a Mets shirt.

Marie Meyer
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 29, 2015, 09:47:28 AM
Marie, since the Brooklyn Dodgers played their last game
in Ebbets Field in 1957, your sweat shirt is probably at least
60 years old.  You might want to donate it to the Baseball
Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: mariemeyer on June 29, 2015, 10:52:21 AM
I gave my Jackie Robinson signature to one of my grandsons, I am not about to part with my Brooklyn Dodgers sweat shirt.

Marie Meyer
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 29, 2015, 03:07:15 PM
Speaking of Dodger signatures, I personally have
gotten the autographs of Duke Snider, Gil Hodges,
Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Maury Wills, Junior
Gilliam, Johnny Podres, John Roseboro, Frank Howard,
Wally Moon, and nine other Dodgers.

Bottom Line:  It was great to have the Milwaukee Braves
Stadium within walking distance of Concordia College,
Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on June 29, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
Speaking of Dodger signatures, I personally have
gotten the autographs of Duke Snider, Gil Hodges,
Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Maury Wills, Junior
Gilliam, Johnny Podres, John Roseboro, Frank Howard,
Wally Moon, and nine other Dodgers.

Bottom Line:  It was great to have the Milwaukee Braves
Stadium within walking distance of Concordia College,
Milwaukee.

I have Warren Spahn and Johnny Sain's autograph, as well as my all-time favorite, Hank Aaron - "to Pastor Dave".   And of course Mookie Wilson, and Doc Gooden.  And a bat signed by David Wright.  Most importantly, all the Topps baseball cards from 1956.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on June 29, 2015, 11:05:52 PM
As a Concordia, Milwaukee student, I also got the
autographs of the Milwaukee Braves: Hank Aaron,
Warren Spahn, Eddie Matthews, Joe Adcock, Andy
Pafko, Del Crandall, Billy Bruton, Bob Buhl, Johnny
Logan, Don McMahon, and 8 other Braves.

Bottom Line: It was great to live in Milwaukee and
see major league baseball.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 06, 2015, 10:06:13 AM
Times have changed in Major League Baseball since the
1960's when the Milwaukee Braves were the toast of the
town.

Then:   No batting helmets, no batting gloves, no elbow
pads, when Hank Aaron stood in the batter's box.
No theme song pumped through the Public Address System
as Eddie Matthews walked to the batter's box.

A Chevy convertible brought Don McMahon from the bullpen
to  the pitching mound as he relieved starting pitcher Warren
Spahn.

After the games were over, the players came out of the
locker room and signed autographs for free.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 06, 2015, 10:21:01 AM
Times have changed in Major League Baseball since the
1960's when the Milwaukee Braves were the toast of the
town.

Then:   No batting helmets, no batting gloves, no elbow
pads, when Hank Aaron stood in the batter's box.
No theme song pumped through the Public Address System
as Eddie Matthews walked to the batter's box.

A Chevy convertible brought Don McMahon from the bullpen
to  the pitching mound as he relieved starting pitcher Warren
Spahn.

After the games were over, the players came out of the
locker room and signed autographs for free.

You can still get the autographs if you hang around long enough.  The musical theme song that accompanies every batter is interesting, and yet at the same time irritating.  It does remind me that
a) I don't listen to enough "regular" music, being stuck in hymns and hymnals. 
b) The Latino guys bring some really good bachata and reggaeton to the party.  A bunch of us are going to the Mets game Saturday and it's Juan Lagares bobblehead day, so we'll get an extra dose of the music throughout the afternoon.  They used to have a Salsa Party game, and tried to combine it with a trip by Sammy Sosa to Shea Stadium - the stadium itself was trembling when the salsa began rocking.
c) the batting helmet thing is actually frightening when you think back.  The thing about tightening the gloves after every pitch is again, interesting and yet irritating.  Play ball already!
d) The Lutheran Steven Matz is 2-0 and has driven in 5 runs from his pitcher's position to date.  I sense invitations to Lutheran events in Metro NY in his future!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SomeoneWrites on July 06, 2015, 10:21:37 AM
Times have changed in Major League Baseball since the
1960's when the Milwaukee Braves were the toast of the
town.

Then:   No batting helmets, no batting gloves, no elbow
pads, when Hank Aaron stood in the batter's box.
No theme song pumped through the Public Address System
as Eddie Matthews walked to the batter's box.

A Chevy convertible brought Don McMahon from the bullpen
to  the pitching mound as he relieved starting pitcher Warren
Spahn.



After the games were over, the players came out of the
locker room and signed autographs for free.

I don't mourn the loss over any of that except the autograph thing.  That would be nice.  My bigger problem is the steroid scandals. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: ptom on July 06, 2015, 11:18:58 AM
Times have changed in Major League Baseball since the
1960's when the Milwaukee Braves were the toast of the
town.

Then:   No batting helmets, no batting gloves, no elbow
pads, when Hank Aaron stood in the batter's box.
No theme song pumped through the Public Address System
as Eddie Matthews walked to the batter's box.

A Chevy convertible brought Don McMahon from the bullpen
to  the pitching mound as he relieved starting pitcher Warren
Spahn.

After the games were over, the players came out of the
locker room and signed autographs for free.

 Miller Park (outfield configuration designed by Robin Yount) is built on the footprint of the former County Stadium.  Just a bit closer to the old campus, ff Concordia was still there.
   However on the new campus overlooking the lake, there is an excellent minor league (wood bat) stadium that was also designed by Robin Yount that honors some of the early Brewers by using their numbers in the outfield deminsions.

Tom Myhre  CHS '70 (when the Brewers came to town)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on July 06, 2015, 01:48:20 PM
One of the perks for the seminarians at Concordia Seminary
St. Louis........The St. Louis Cardinals.   The Athletic Director
Eldon "Pete" Pederson would give us "free" tickets to some
Cardinal's games at Busch Stadium I.   We could see Bob
Gibson, Lou Brock and all the boys.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 11, 2015, 08:36:07 PM
And forty urbanaut Lutherans made the journey to CitiField today, enjoying a Mets win and a goodly amount of fellowship (available on Facebook).  Harvey, the Dark Knight of Gotham, got the win and was, in Mets style, also the Mets home run hitter.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven W Bohler on July 21, 2015, 10:24:01 AM
This report was aired on Fox Sports North, which televises the Minnesota Twins games.  The pastor featured is LCMS.  A nice piece about baseball, small towns, and a man of God.





http://www.foxsports.com/north/video/video-timberwolves-andrew-wiggins-throws-out-first-pitch-at-twins-game-092214?vid=487496259772
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 21, 2015, 12:44:54 PM
This report was aired on Fox Sports North, which televises the Minnesota Twins games.  The pastor featured is LCMS.  A nice piece about baseball, small towns, and a man of God.





http://www.foxsports.com/north/video/video-timberwolves-andrew-wiggins-throws-out-first-pitch-at-twins-game-092214?vid=487496259772

Very nice!  Brings memories of journeying to Door County back in the day where my cousins played on the town team in Egg Harbor.  Having coached HS baseball for a couple of years, I can say that the relationships developed on the team carry through for many, many years, and Pr. Lane has a wonderful opportunity to minister to the young men and their families on the Faribault team.  Cool.

Bemidji, on the other hand, is a capital of curling.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Steven W Bohler on July 21, 2015, 12:49:35 PM
Dr. Benke,

Did your cousins grow up/live in Egg Harbor?  Both my parents are from Door County and I still have lots of relatives there (mainly in Sturgeon Bay).  Growing up, we spent many weekends camping at Peninsula Park and Egg Harbor was one of the towns we frequented. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on July 21, 2015, 01:02:47 PM
This report was aired on Fox Sports North, which televises the Minnesota Twins games.  The pastor featured is LCMS.  A nice piece about baseball, small towns, and a man of God.





http://www.foxsports.com/north/video/video-timberwolves-andrew-wiggins-throws-out-first-pitch-at-twins-game-092214?vid=487496259772

Pastor Lane is a GREAT guy, and a classmate of mine!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on July 21, 2015, 03:35:32 PM
Dr. Benke,

Did your cousins grow up/live in Egg Harbor?  Both my parents are from Door County and I still have lots of relatives there (mainly in Sturgeon Bay).  Growing up, we spent many weekends camping at Peninsula Park and Egg Harbor was one of the towns we frequented.

Yes.  Rural Egg Harbor.  But you could see Lake Michigan in the distance.  They were/are all WELS folks, and several of my cousins were/are among their leading denominational missionaries, in Hong Kong and Puerto Rico/South America.

Peninsula Park has a very interesting golf course, with a par three where you hit the ball off a cliff down onto the green.  Would like to return there some day.  It is no wonder that the interlopers from Illinois are scarfing up all the property - it's a beautiful place on the planet earth.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 17, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
With only two weeks remaining the Major League Baseball
pennant races are coming into focus.  In the National League
the Mets and Dodgers will win their division titles.  The Cardinals
should win the Central division with the Cubs and Pirates as
wild cards.

In the American League the Royals will win the Central division
and the Blue Jays and Rangers should win their divisions.
The wild cards will be the Yankees and either the Twins or Astros.

Some possible match ups for the World Series.........
St. Louis Cardinals against the Kansas City Royals
and a real long shot....The Mets against the Yankees.

What are your predictions for the teams in the World Series?
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 17, 2015, 11:30:22 AM
With visions of 2007 and 2008 still dancing in my head I will refrain from comment until the magic # reads 0 for the Metropolitans.

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 23, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
Today, America pauses to honor the death of Yogi Berra.
He passed away yesterday at the age of 90.   He has now
gone to that Big Stadium in the Sky. This New York Yankee
catcher won 10 World Series Championship rings, played
in 15 All-Star games, was American League MVP  3 times,
and a member of Baseball's Hall of Fame in Cooperstown.

Yogi hit over 350 home runs and batted in over 1400 runs
in his career.  He was born in St. Louis and was a devout
Roman Catholic his entire life.  May we offer a moment of
silence for one of the greatest Yankees to ever wear the
pinstripes.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Bergs on September 23, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
He was an American original.  Heaven is now more joyful with his presence.
 
The video below caused about 6 minutes of nonstop belly laughs for me. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ8t7fUoXGA

There was a great story about him on public radio. 
Oh, so I guess Carmen, at one time, said to him - his wife for many years - said, you know, Yogi, when you die, where should we bury you? And Yogi said, I don't know, Carmen, surprise me.

Brian J. Bergs
Minneapolis, MN
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on September 26, 2015, 07:34:41 PM
YES!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on September 26, 2015, 07:49:05 PM
YES!

M. Staneck

The Cubs and the Mets playing baseball in October.  I feel as if I'm living in parallel universe. 

My Cardinals are winning tonight, but how sad to see Martinez on the side-lines with his wrist wrapped up - and he won't be playing in post-season! 

Well - to you and Dr. B - congratulations.  We'll see you in October. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 29, 2015, 04:55:00 PM
The National League post-season playoffs are extremely
interesting.  The St. Louis Cardinals have the best record
in MLB and yet they have some serious injuries now.
The New York Mets have one of the best young pitching
staffs and we know that good pitching beats good hitting.


The Chicago Cubs have not won a World Series in over 100
years.  If you like to cheer for underdogs, then they are your
team with some young rookies hitting in the clutch.   The Pittsburgh
Pirates have the second best record in MLB and are hungry for
a World Series ring.   The L.A. Dodgers are the champs of the
West and must reach their potential in the playoffs or their
manager could be looking for a new job this winter.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on September 29, 2015, 08:08:25 PM
I was looking forward to the Orioles and Nats in the WS.  All that potential to waste
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Eileen Smith on September 30, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
YES! :)  And we don't have to face Jake Arrieta in a one-game playoff. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Jeremy Loesch on September 30, 2015, 10:53:32 PM
I was looking forward to the Orioles and Nats in the WS.  All that potential to waste

The WaPo is running a three part post mortem on the Nats' season.  It started with such promise in spring training then was derailed by many factors.  The trade for Jonathan Papelbon was a horrific failure.  His hotheadedness was not unknown.  Papelbon's a maroon and the Nats won't get much for him on the trade market. 

The Orioles have some promising aspects but it was hard to match 2014.  And I don't know what to think about 2016.  It'll be tough against the Yanks, Sawx, and Jays.

But both teams give fans a reason to watch.

And my Cardinals continue to do well!

Jeremy
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on September 30, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Every MLB team needs to have chemistry in the clubhouse.
The players have to enjoy one another, play together as a
team, and not worry about individual statistics.  This made
Joe Torre a great manager for the Yankees in winning 4 World
Series.  You have to submerge the egos for the common good
and develop team chemistry.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on October 01, 2015, 08:54:35 AM
The O's should have found some way to hold onto Nelson Cruz.  Could you imagine the 1-2 punch of Cruz and Chris (nice alliteration).  Oh well, Buck is still the best manager in baseball. IMO
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on October 08, 2015, 09:53:49 AM
The Cubs and the Cardinals will meet one the field of battle baseball for the first time ever in post-season play.

This is a great Lutheran match-up! As far as I'm concerned, this might be better than the World Series (unless the Cubs get that far, and Armegeddon approcheth). Harry Caray and Dizzy Dean. I'll be rooting on Friday for the Evil Empir-- um, the Cardinals, that is!

Play ball.





Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 08, 2015, 11:09:38 AM
Pastor Wolf is hinting that St. Louis Cardinals represent
the LCMS headquarters and the Chicago Cubs represent
the ELCA headquarters.

Bottom Line:  Nobody has told the players on either team
about this theological battle.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 08, 2015, 12:23:47 PM
The National League post-season playoffs are extremely
interesting.  The St. Louis Cardinals have the best record
in MLB and yet they have some serious injuries now.
The New York Mets have one of the best young pitching
staffs and we know that good pitching beats good hitting.


The Chicago Cubs have not won a World Series in over 100
years.  If you like to cheer for underdogs, then they are your
team with some young rookies hitting in the clutch.   The Pittsburgh
Pirates have the second best record in MLB and are hungry for
a World Series ring.   The L.A. Dodgers are the champs of the
West and must reach their potential in the playoffs or their
manager could be looking for a new job this winter.

Veddy, veddy interesting.  I will be root, root, rooting for the home team in NYC, knowing that it will be an uphill struggle when it comes to all the long-odds teams with really good pitching who are matching up.  DeGrom and Syndergaard v. Kershaw and Greinke could eventuate in 1-0 games either way.  Or not.  That's why they play the games.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 08, 2015, 07:08:54 PM
Pastor Wolf is hinting that St. Louis Cardinals represent
the LCMS headquarters and the Chicago Cubs represent
the ELCA headquarters.

Bottom Line:  Nobody has told the players on either team
about this theological battle.

What was your year of graduation from Concordia, Milwaukee, Dave Likeness?  I have just dredged up an intramural softball memory, and you may be in it.  My team won the school championship when we were in Tertia, playing on the diamond on State Street.  Tertia winning the all-school was unheard of at the time, since we were seniors in high school and in order to win it all we had to beat sophomores in college, Primaners.  Which we did.  We had a lights out pitcher, Dick Drews, and at that time I was the guy who caught him, even though I was left-handed.  Go figure.  It was great calling a game with Dick because he had five pitches - in, out, up, down and change, or - curve, screwball, riser, drop and change.  Anyway, we beat the Top Dog on campus in the finals.  It's possible that was you.  So I graduated high school in 1964, meaning the guys we beat would have been also class of '64, Junior College.  PS - I got the game-winning hit. 

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 08, 2015, 07:37:32 PM
Brother Benke, I graduated from Concordia, Milwaukee in 1961
Our class won in  Tertia, Secunda, and went undefeated in Prima.
Jim Knuth was my catcher for all three years.  Sorry, I never had
the chance to play your class.  My main pitch was a blazing fastball
plus a riser and a drop.  I averaged over a strikeout per inning while
on the mound and hit .420 in the batters box.  Fast Pitch Softball was
the forte of our class of 1961.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Harvey_Mozolak on October 08, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
Tertia was indeed a brave class... tho I recall when I was Prima or Secunda, playing them in our dust bowl in Football and catching (in my memory) one of the winning touch downs from Jerry Tews... we also broke the center's nose on one of the first or second plays of the game...   long about Dave Likeness years, I was there 60-63 in college... not high school.   
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 08, 2015, 09:33:17 PM
Brother Benke, I graduated from Concordia, Milwaukee in 1961
Our class won in  Tertia, Secunda, and went undefeated in Prima.
Jim Knuth was my catcher for all three years.  Sorry, I never had
the chance to play your class.  My main pitch was a blazing fastball
plus a riser and a drop.  I averaged over a strikeout per inning while
on the mound and hit .420 in the batters box.  Fast Pitch Softball was
the forte of our class of 1961.

Chico Knuth - one of the all-time greats!  I should have figured your team would work its way through that era; ours did the same awhile later.  But those were intramural wars, fought tooth and nail.  Harvey, I remember Jerry Tews and of course intramural football, which was two-hand touch, with an attitude.

Dave Benke

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 09, 2015, 09:35:21 AM
Brother Benke:   You hit the Milwaukee Memories button for me.
I am the guy who gave Jim Knuth the nickname "Chico".  It happened
one day when we were both waiters in the college dining hall during
our junior year in high school.  That was the last year the meals were
served family style. 

He came in for the noon meal with a loud, multicolored shirt. something
you might see in Mexico. So I hollered to him, "Hey, Chico".  The name
stuck for a lifetime.  It helped that I labeled him "Chico" as the sports
editor of the Falcon Quill newspaper when he played varsity basketball
on the college team as a high school senior.

In Secunda, Chico and I were dorm proctors in Pritzlaff hall for the
Tertia class.  We roomed together in a fabulous room that had its
own bathroom and shower.  Dean Ackmann thought we would make
good proctors and could use the stipend for this job.  In Prima, Jim
Knuth went to Wunder Hall to take care of the Sexta  Class of which
you were a member.  I declined to baby sit those kids with him.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 09, 2015, 12:09:05 PM
Brother Benke:   You hit the Milwaukee Memories button for me.
I am the guy who gave Jim Knuth the nickname "Chico".  It happened
one day when we were both waiters in the college dining hall during
our junior year in high school.  That was the last year the meals were
served family style. 

He came in for the noon meal with a loud, multicolored shirt. something
you might see in Mexico. So I hollered to him, "Hey, Chico".  The name
stuck for a lifetime.  It helped that I labeled him "Chico" as the sports
editor of the Falcon Quill newspaper when he played varsity basketball
on the college team as a high school senior.

In Secunda, Chico and I were dorm proctors in Pritzlaff hall for the
Tertia class.  We roomed together in a fabulous room that had its
own bathroom and shower.  Dean Ackmann thought we would make
good proctors and could use the stipend for this job.  In Prima, Jim
Knuth went to Wunder Hall to take care of the Sexta  Class of which
you were a member.  I declined to baby sit those kids with him.

Chico had a brother, Dan, who was around my age.  Maybe that had something to do with him going to Wunder.  Giger, Scherschlict, Tubesing - a few of the names of the proctors in Wunder from back then.  When I was in Tertia, our proctors didn't like my roommate and I so much, so we were brought in to Ackmann's office because we were to be dormed for a weekend when we had to basketball games, and both of us were starters on the team.  The proctors made their case, and our case was basically that the team needed us.  So Ackmann made one of those "I'm going to kick your butt through the wall," etc. speeches, and let us go, but we had to do significant Strafarbeit, which was not normally given to upperclassmen.  Another memory dredged in.  At any rate we won the games, which was what counted.  The bottom line remains the bottom line - LET'S GO METS!!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Matt Staneck on October 09, 2015, 01:46:23 PM
The bottom line remains the bottom line - LET'S GO METS!!

Dave Benke

BEAT LA!

M. Staneck
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Harvey_Mozolak on October 09, 2015, 02:25:29 PM
When I arrived in Milwaukee they opened a new very old house as a dorm BROWN HALL altho we had another name for the place... roomed on the third floor attic type place complete with large mouse population that our entire dorm would hunt on given Saturday mornings with brooms... from the high school department my friends in college were Dave Schaefer and Roy Schroeder and Dave Pfeiffer... Jerry Tews was also there and his roommate was Gary Hartjen, from that gang John Eggert was my roommate my Prima year... what was the name of the restaurant down a few blocks that was second home in the evening... the letter K sticks in my mind???  One year (and I was a three year man) we roomed in another newly purchased building, Houston Hall, and then my roommate was a proctor in Prizlaff (far left with its own facilities also but not the one with the lounges adjacent to them).... memories fading... hated Milwaukee, loved Ft Wayne and only permitted Springfield cause the end she was in sight!   Oh, I have a great story or two about Prexy and Dean A... one of my best friends was told it would be better to go to a whore house than to Rome.  Cool quote forever.  With blessings to my friend still a fellow Christian albeit a RC.   And always faithful to one wife!   Pax Romana.   
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 09, 2015, 03:04:15 PM
Harvey, the restaurant on 27th St. was the EL-KAY.
There was also a movie theater close to it.

The Pax Romana......The Peace of the Romans actually
took place from 30 BC to 170 AD.  During that time
there were no wars in the Roman Empire.  This enabled
the Early Christian Church to begin and spread the
gospel with no wars taking place.  The apostles traveled
across the land and waters with no major war battles.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Harvey_Mozolak on October 09, 2015, 03:36:16 PM
Dave. Yep. But there was also a pax in the two years after Milwaukee n it was called the Senior College.  And for my friend who did not go there it was Rome.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Harvey_Mozolak on October 09, 2015, 03:54:32 PM
Oh and Milwaukee was only tolerated because of one prof--Weinhold, intramural sports, and friends. 
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 10, 2015, 09:01:09 AM
The New York Mets beat the Dodgers in BIBLICAL manner by 3-1.
JACOB deGrom strikes out 13 in 7 shutout innings, DANIEL
Murphy hits a solo home run, and DAVID  Wright get 2 RBI's
with a single.

JACOB, DANIEL, AND DAVID were 3 heroes of the Old Testament
and today they are the heroes of New York playoff baseball.

Congratulations to Mets fans from a devout and loyal New York
Yankee fan.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Satis Est on October 10, 2015, 09:52:02 AM
  Wrigley Field may have been built on the site of a Lutheran seminary (Left field is where the theological faculty had their offices, I've heard  ::) ), but that didn't help the team from Chicago last night. Excellent pitching by Lackey, and then two home runs sealed the fate of the Cubs. The Cardinals won handily, 4-0. Game two is today. Go Cards!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Gahl on October 10, 2015, 10:13:32 AM
Don't overlook that fact that the Cubs had a third baseman named Law and a first baseman named Grace.  How Lutheran can one get!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 14, 2015, 02:23:46 PM
As the ALPB Forum posters debate who has the best dictionary
and why Martin Luther had some angst about the Jews...........

America is preparing itself for the World Series.  Only the Chicago
Cubs have earned the right to play in the NL Championship Series.
Tomorrow, either the L.A. Dodgers or NY Mets will join them.

The AL will send either the KC Royals, or Houston Astros.......
and the Texas Rangers or the Toronto Blue Jays to their Championship
Series. 

Bottom Line:  Dr. Martin Luther would want us to drink a Budweiser
and enjoy the Major League Baseball playoffs.   Katie Luther would
want you to have a nice time with your family around your jumbo
flat screen TV.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on October 14, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
Dave : I have to disagree with you.  Luther was fond of good beer, Budweiser would not even seem to him to be beer.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 14, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
Luther was a man of the people who probably got rot gut from
the beer that his wife Katie brewed.  Martin Luther had plenty
of stomach problems which shortened his life.  Home-brew for him.

However, in 21st century America, the craft brewed beers are now
the fad. These strong beers are not for the amateur.  So stick with
Budweiser, Miller High Life, or Coors.   If you are patriotic , then you
drink a Samuel Adams.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Birkholz on October 14, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
Luther was a man of the people who probably got rot gut from
the beer that his wife Katie brewed.  Martin Luther had plenty
of stomach problems which shortened his life.  Home-brew for him.

However, in 21st century America, the craft brewed beers are now
the fad. These strong beers are not for the amateur.  So stick with
Budweiser, Miller High Life, or Coors.   If you are patriotic , then you
drink a Samuel Adams.

As a homebrewer, I have no idea what you are talking about. 

There is nothing unhealthy about drinking homebrew, and I don't know why you would imply this to be the case.  The live yeast in unpasteurized beer is beneficial to one's health.  Generally speaking, in Luther's day drinking beer was healthier at the time than drinking water.  Even when beer becomes "infected" by unwanted yeast or microorganisms, those do not pose a health risk.  They only affect the taste of the beer.

Although many craft beers have a high ABV than the mass-produced lagers, this is certainly not always the case.  You will find much more variety and actual flavor in most craft beers.  The BMC (Bud/Miller/Coors) beers are brewed intentionally bland so as to appeal to the greatest number of people.  They are served "ice cold" to further numb your taste buds, so you don't really taste the flavor of the beer anyways.  I would certainly resonate with Pr. Terry Culler's comment above that Luther would not recognize BMC beers as "beer."

I always encourage people to drink what they like, but to be open to trying new things.  Once most people experience some of the incredible variety and unique tastes of craft beer, they generally don't go back to BMC.

For more info on Luther and beer see:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060523144547/http://home.earthlink.net/~ggsurplus/beersluther.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20060523144547/http://home.earthlink.net/~ggsurplus/beersluther.html)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 15, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
Tonight, all of our ALPB posters in New York are anxiously
awaiting the Dodgers/Mets game.  The winner will face the
Chicago Cubs in the National League Championship Series.
Bishop Benke is an avid NY Met fan and is hoping for a win
over the LA Dodgers.  The Mets were aided in their last win
over the Dodgers by 5 RBI's from former New York Yankee
Curtis Granderson.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Pr. Terry Culler on October 15, 2015, 08:35:32 PM
The Cardinals were the best team in baseball this year, but they're out now so all of us who love the underdogs can legitimately root for the Cubs.  I wish Ernie Banks were still around to see it
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 15, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Tonight, all of our ALPB posters in New York are anxiously
awaiting the Dodgers/Mets game.  The winner will face the
Chicago Cubs in the National League Championship Series.
Bishop Benke is an avid NY Met fan and is hoping for a win
over the LA Dodgers.  The Mets were aided in their last win
over the Dodgers by 5 RBI's from former New York Yankee
Curtis Granderson.

This Northern Californian is also rooting for the Mets! For now . . .
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 16, 2015, 08:31:08 AM
There is some angst for the transplanted midwesterner who remembers fondly the epic Cubs/Braves battles for supremacy, when the TwiNight doubleheader could be accessed for 35 cents, plus 16 cents for the back and forth on the streetcar, to see Hank Aaron, Eddie Mathews, Spahn and Burdette and the rest battle it out with Ernie Banks, Billy Williams and crew.  Those were indeed the halcyon days. 

And who could hate the Cubs?  Destiny's children, with this year immortalized in the prophetic film Back to the Future II.  Cinderellas one and all, with the glass slipper just eight victories away. 

And yet, even after losing to the Cubbies seven times over the summer, this Mets fan has only one thought for the next week.  LET'S GO METS!!! Beat the Cubs!!

Having purchased playoff tickets a few weeks ago, I have witnessed
a) the bomb-power of Cespedes, and the bats of the Mets
b) the difficulty of beating a team that throws two of the best three pitchers in baseball at you four times in five games
c) perseverance and a Jesus-loving, Jesus-witnessing guy named Daniel Murphy having the games of his life (stealing third on a walk?  I have never seen that before)

So this should be a lot of fun, in and around an annual service of Lutheran Caribbean (Guyanese) outreach in Metro NY, and our annual Atlantic District luncheon, Witness in the Public Square.  Busy times can be happy times!

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Charles Austin on October 16, 2015, 10:43:47 AM
Heck, I'm not even a sports fan, but it seems to make Dave Benke happy, so I'm hollering "Go Mets!"
(Actually went to a Mets game at Citi Field in August, grandson is a fan.)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Likeness on October 16, 2015, 12:37:11 PM
This year the LA Dodgers had the highest team salaries in MLB.
The total was $300 million dollars.  It demonstrates that money
cannot buy league championships, let alone a World Series ring.
The game is still played on the field and talent usually wins out.

Both the NY Mets and the Chicago Cubs are loaded with talented
rookies and young players this season.  It will be an interesting
series to watch.  The Big Apple versus The Windy City.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 16, 2015, 01:02:59 PM
This year the LA Dodgers had the highest team salaries in MLB.
The total was $300 million dollars.  It demonstrates that money
cannot buy league championships, let alone a World Series ring.
The game is still played on the field and talent usually wins out.

Both the NY Mets and the Chicago Cubs are loaded with talented
rookies and young players this season.  It will be an interesting
series to watch.  The Big Apple versus The Windy City.

In New York we call Chicago "The Second City."  Because it is, and because we can.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: John_Hannah on October 16, 2015, 01:19:19 PM
...and the "Little Apple."   8) ;D
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Birkholz on October 16, 2015, 03:34:01 PM
...and the "Little Apple."   8) ;D

I thought that was Minneapolis.
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Donald_Kirchner on October 16, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
...and the "Little Apple."   8) ;D

I thought that was Minneapolis.

Manhattan, Kansas
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: aletheist on October 16, 2015, 03:47:15 PM
The Cardinals had the best record in baseball this year, but they're out now
Fixed your post. ;D  Let's go Royals!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: jebutler on October 16, 2015, 04:15:49 PM
The Cardinals had the best record in baseball this year, but they're out now
Fixed your post. ;D  Let's go Royals!

Yes. Kansas City all the way!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 16, 2015, 04:36:19 PM
The Cardinals had the best record in baseball this year, but they're out now
Fixed your post. ;D  Let's go Royals!

Yes. Kansas City all the way!

Kansas City all the way to the World Series.  And then they meet their comeuppance at the hands of The Degrominator, Thor and the Dark Knight.   And Daniel Murphy.  And Cespedes for the Rest of Us.  And We Are Familia.  Here's a less reasoned perspective:  https://www.facebook.com/JimBreuer/videos/10153482504942025/

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 16, 2015, 04:38:11 PM
Now that the bums are gone (and good riddance!), go Cubbies!
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 16, 2015, 05:38:28 PM
Now that the bums are gone (and good riddance!), go Cubbies!

I sense a Giants fan.  Giants/Dodgers is at the level of Mets/Yankees, in my opinion.  No love lost.  None to start with, although when it's intra-city there is a fan base that just roots for New York, either way.  Not so for most of us, though.

Dave Benke
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: SomeoneWrites on October 16, 2015, 06:22:13 PM
Now that the bums are gone (and good riddance!), go Cubbies!

I sense a Giants fan.  Giants/Dodgers is at the level of Mets/Yankees, in my opinion.  No love lost.  None to start with, although when it's intra-city there is a fan base that just roots for New York, either way.  Not so for most of us, though.

Dave Benke

I support larger geographic regions, and I'm largely alone in that. 
I'm not a fan of any team that moves and keeps the wrong name.

I've probably posted this before...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzrbp_WR8w (possibly offensive to some)
Title: Re: Baseball and a Bad Night for Atheists
Post by: Dave Benke on October 16, 2015, 06:42:11 PM
Now that the bums are gone (and good riddance!), go Cubbies!

I sense a Giants fan.  Giants/Dodgers is at the level of Mets/Yankees, in my opinion.  No love lost.  None to start with, although when it's intra-city there is a fan base that just roots for New York, either way.  Not so for most of us, though.

Dave Benke


I support larger geographic regions, and I'