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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #3315 on: September 24, 2020, 09:15:19 AM »
No matter how you slice it, a Ukrainian oil company under investigation for corruption gave Hunter Biden, who had no ability to be of service to them in any way apart from access to his dad, over four million dollars. How does that happen?

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« Reply #3316 on: September 24, 2020, 09:19:45 AM »
Mr. Gehlhausen,

Can you argue for me how Trump's Access Hollwood comments were "creepier" than a credible accusation of rape?  Or the video of Biden groping little girls, or sniffing their hair, during public appearances (when the victims could not get away without causing a scene)? Or his insistence on swimming nude in front of female Secret Service agents?

He spoke about grabbing women's private parts.  That is not creepier than rape, but that was not the context of Pr. Hughes' comments.

Trump also has a credible accusation of rape from E. Jean Carroll

Trump has had numerous accusations of visiting the dressing rooms of the beauty pageants he has sponsored.

He has made several creepy comments about how "hot" his daughter Ivanka is.

He's had numerous accusations of groping women.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

That's the last I'll post on any of this.  It is an unsavory subject, and people will believe what they want to on these matters  I support Tara Reade in her accusations against Biden, and I think they should get more of a hearing.   But Trump is not clean on this subject.
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« Reply #3317 on: September 24, 2020, 09:38:49 AM »
Mr. Gehlhausen,

Can you argue for me how Trump's Access Hollwood comments were "creepier" than a credible accusation of rape?  Or the video of Biden groping little girls, or sniffing their hair, during public appearances (when the victims could not get away without causing a scene)? Or his insistence on swimming nude in front of female Secret Service agents?

He spoke about grabbing women's private parts.  That is not creepier than rape, but that was not the context of Pr. Hughes' comments.

Trump also has a credible accusation of rape from E. Jean Carroll

Trump has had numerous accusations of visiting the dressing rooms of the beauty pageants he has sponsored.

He has made several creepy comments about how "hot" his daughter Ivanka is.

He's had numerous accusations of groping women.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

That's the last I'll post on any of this.  It is an unsavory subject, and people will believe what they want to on these matters  I support Tara Reade in her accusations against Biden, and I think they should get more of a hearing.   But Trump is not clean on this subject.

I understand that you said your above post was the last you would say on this but what you wrote brings a comment and a question:

1. Since you wrote "Given the Access Hollywood tape, arguably creepier" I am glad that you now agree those comments are not "arguably" creepier.

2. Given Biden's "creepy" history, I still do not understand how you can say he was not "a bad choice".  If you find Trump's history so repulsive, why do you not find Biden's history likewise repulsive?

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« Reply #3318 on: September 24, 2020, 10:31:30 AM »

Did the "reporter" have credentials, was it clear he was gathering news or was he a guy sticking his phone in a cop's face?  There are several "reporters" in this video. These are the folks rioting in our streets and the 1st amendment says "peaceful." I think a few of them would be worth a body slam or two.

https://streamable.com/lbpuh5
Thank you for these certainly inconvenient facts concerning these impromptu peaceful demonstrations our misinformed misguided forum members seem to support.

Further facts conveniently omitted by the MSM is that Ms Taylor is not the innocent victim erroneously portrayed by the MSM.

Shocking Report Leaked In Breonna Taylor Death Investigation Shows How Involved She Really Was
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #3319 on: September 24, 2020, 10:44:00 AM »
A Republican commentator observed this morning that those who are voting on principle rather than on the person, the principle is not the president of the United States, Donald J. Trump is. Those who are voting for Trump because they do not like Nancy Pelosi, Pamela Harris, AOC, Ihlan Omar, please note, that not one of these people is the president of the United States, Donald J. Trump is. So, if you are voting for Donald J. Trump, you are voting for someone who is not worthy of the office. Never in the history of the Republic has any candidate even remotely suggested that there will not be a peaceful transfer of power. Trump has said that if ballots are thrown out, then there wouldn't be this situation. Before he blew a lot of hot air about mail-in ballots, there has never been any indication of rampant fraud, as he claims, by anyone in either party and still even most in the Republican party are not making any noise about that.

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« Reply #3320 on: September 24, 2020, 10:49:32 AM »

Did the "reporter" have credentials, was it clear he was gathering news or was he a guy sticking his phone in a cop's face?  There are several "reporters" in this video. These are the folks rioting in our streets and the 1st amendment says "peaceful." I think a few of them would be worth a body slam or two.

https://streamable.com/lbpuh5
Thank you for these certainly inconvenient facts concerning these impromptu peaceful demonstrations our misinformed misguided forum members seem to support.

Further facts conveniently omitted by the MSM is that Ms Taylor is not the innocent victim erroneously portrayed by the MSM.

Shocking Report Leaked In Breonna Taylor Death Investigation Shows How Involved She Really Was
I wonder. Unnamed sources are held to be trustworthy when making accusations against the President of the United States, here is an unnamed source of a purported report concerning Breonna Taylor what casts the entire incident in a different context. Should unnamed sources be trusted against the President but not Taylor?
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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #3321 on: September 24, 2020, 10:51:50 AM »

So why didn't the Dems come up with a more compelling candidiate?

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« Reply #3322 on: September 24, 2020, 10:58:16 AM »
So, if you are voting for Donald J. Trump, you are voting for someone who is not worthy of the office.
Okay.

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« Reply #3323 on: September 24, 2020, 11:22:34 AM »
Pastor Fienen, you make a good point. The linked and uncredited article is from the "Tatum Report," which is what most would consider an ultra-conservative website operated by a former cop who is African-American and has produced several "reports" filed with fraudulent statements and material from questionable sources.
Of course, it's a free country (up to now) and one can "report" whatever one gets in their hands or wants to fabricate. But these ideological websites run by individuals whose provenance is questionable present problems. We can read them, of course, but we don't have to think they are the best "truth."
Folks here won't like me saying this, but in the main-stream media at least numerous voices, minds, experiences play into what gets printed, rather than the rantings of one ideologue.
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« Reply #3324 on: September 24, 2020, 11:34:33 AM »
We are not a shame-based culture, at least not so far (and especially not on the Right), and yet the Left insists on using shame as this year's primary campaign tactic. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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« Reply #3325 on: September 24, 2020, 11:40:07 AM »
But the problem with unnamed sources, even when used by main stream media, is that we have no way of independently judging their probity or their sources of information. Even well established main stream media are subject to error and lapses of judgement, witness the fall from grace of network news anchors Dan Rather and Brian Williams. Even seasoned professionals can suffer from the Mulder Syndrome, "I Want to Believe."
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« Reply #3326 on: September 24, 2020, 11:48:26 AM »
A Republican commentator observed this morning that those who are voting on principle rather than on the person, the principle is not the president of the United States, Donald J. Trump is. Those who are voting for Trump because they do not like Nancy Pelosi, Pamela Harris, AOC, Ihlan Omar, please note, that not one of these people is the president of the United States, Donald J. Trump is. So, if you are voting for Donald J. Trump, you are voting for someone who is not worthy of the office. Never in the history of the Republic has any candidate even remotely suggested that there will not be a peaceful transfer of power. Trump has said that if ballots are thrown out, then there wouldn't be this situation. Before he blew a lot of hot air about mail-in ballots, there has never been any indication of rampant fraud, as he claims, by anyone in either party and still even most in the Republican party are not making any noise about that.


For all his tweets and outrageous comments, Donald Trump has proved to be an effective, center-right president.  His administration has followed all court orders and has not strayed beyond the bounds of executive power exercised by his predecessors.  He is a horrible head of state.  But he has been an effective head of government.  Some voters undoubtedly support Trump because of his bluster.  Many others cringe at his sometimes irresponsible comments but support the administration's policy outcomes. 


Your comments regarding voter fraud, while often parroted by left-leaning news outlets, is belied by fact.  See, for example, this data base of documented voter fraud: Link  Actual fraud aside, the last-minute changes in some Democrat-controlled states to election rules will inevitably taint the results with the appearance of illegitimacy.  Two types of changes are particularly problematic.  First, some states--Pennsylvania is a prime example--are saying that they will count mail ballots received days after the election even if those ballots bear no post mark establishing that they were mailed on or before election day.  This will create the appearance (that may or may not have a basis in reality) that ballots were submitted after the election in order to change the election-day outcome.  The second concern is that states with no experience in doing so are mailing unsolicited ballots to all registered voters.  States without experience in this practice are sowing the seeds for almost certain chaos. 


The high risk of implementing new practices with absentee ballots was exemplified by the US House race in NYC "won" by long-serving incumbent Carolyn Maloney over her primary opponent, Suraj Patel.  The state needed until early August to declare a winner to the June election.  Maloney's 3700-vote victory.  For arguably arbitrary reasons, the state counted some absentee ballots but refused to count many thousands of others.  We will never really know who got the most votes.  A city election in Paterson, New Jersey, was infected by voter fraud that the election had to be invalidated.  Several people face criminal charges.


We can debate in the abstract whether mail voting (sending actual ballots by mail to all registered voters) or extensive use of absentee voting (sending ballots only to registered voters who apply) is a good idea.  Colorado is widely viewed as a model for mail voting.  Although not fool proof, strong measures are in place to ensure that only the registered voter may cast his or her vote.  Vote harvesting (sending out a party operative or anyone else to collect ballots (including nursing homes, union halls, colleges, etc.) and to deliver them to ballot boxes) is illegal.  One key to protecting the sense of legitimacy of the election:  Only ballots in the possession of the state at 7:00 on election night will be counted.  You can mail back the ballot that you receive by mail.  However, the instructions on the ballot recommend strongly that voters instead drop ballots in ballot boxes that are in public buildings all over the state.  The Colorado rule eliminates any argument that wrongdoers created illegal ballots after election day to change the outcome reflected by the election-day tabulation. 


Colorado is very proud of its system.  However, its leaders admit that it wouldn't work everywhere.  Moreover, they make clear that if states want to avoid fraud and errors, they have to implement the system over a course of years.  You simply can't do it in one election cycle, let alone within just a few weeks.

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Re: Election 2020
« Reply #3327 on: September 24, 2020, 05:52:26 PM »
It seems to me that whatever the wrongdoing was, it did not involve "improper influence or wrongdoing" by the Vice President.

Then why do some people care about the business dealings of Trump's children?


The authorities shouldn't investigate possible wrong-doings by Trump's children?

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I know your comment goes hand-in-hand with a long-standing media bias issue:  pretending bad things about Democrats have been investigated (sufficiently) when they haven't.  Biden's son and Ukraine, the justification/origins/extent of the Obama administration surveillance of the Trump campaign,  mass reset of Russia special council office smart phones, Hillary's server (including presidential emails to her "private" account), Benghazi, erased IRS hard drives related to stalled Tea Party tax-exempt applications...


Are you trying to say that the Republican led investigation into Biden's possible influence in his son's dealings in the Ukraine are now whitewashing Biden when they found nothing wrong?

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Again, if people wonder why Trump supporters don't care about his shady conduct, it's all the questionable conduct by the other side that has been summarily dismissed/deemed unworthy of further investigation.  It just invigorates the "cult" when his enemies (including the media) try to make things that are just the Washington swamp business-as-usual seem unprecedented.  Like the Supreme Court.  Any Republican president might have nominated Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.  They have been on the Federalist Society's short list for some time.  They are not Trump's "justices", somehow owing him special allegiance.  Like I've been saying, this Supreme Court fight was going on well before Trump was cheating on his pregnant wife with a porn star.


They have been worthy of investigations and investigations have been done - even by Republicans. Perhaps there are no indictments because they found nothing worth indicting. Similarly, the long investigation as to whether Trump colluded with the Russians found nothing to indict (even though Russia interfered with and continues to try to interfere with our election process).
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« Reply #3328 on: September 24, 2020, 06:26:49 PM »
"Peter Schweizer: 'There is more here than just Hunter Biden bumbling around getting these deals'"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-senate-report-ukraine-peter-schweizer

However:

"CNN, broadcast networks ignore Hunter Biden revelations, others downplay Senate report"

https://www.foxnews.com/media/media-avoids-hunter-biden-senate-report
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« Reply #3329 on: September 24, 2020, 06:52:15 PM »
From NBC News today also reported elsewhere:
More than 200 retired generals and admirals endorsed Joe Biden for president in a letter published Thursday, saying he had the character and judgment to serve as commander-in-chief instead of President Donald Trump, who has failed "to meet challenges large or small," NBC News reports.
   Some of the officers who signed the letter supporting Biden had retired only in the past few years, including Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, who served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump before he retired in August 2019; Vice Adm. Gardner Howe, a Navy SEAL leader who also retired last year; and retired Adm. Paul Zukunft, who oversaw the Coast Guard until 2018.
   The list of signatories featured 22 retired four-star military officers, among them Navy Adm. Samuel Locklear, who oversaw all U.S. forces in the Pacific from 2012 to 2015, and Adm. Harry Ulrich, who commanded U.S. naval forces in Europe during President George W. Bush's administration.
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